Did the internet over hype this? Military Armament Corp DS 9: a critical review
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- The online community since SHOT Show 2024 has been chomping at the bit to get the MAC DS9 - a budget friendly 2011 pistol with zero MIM parts in it that takes 2011 pattern magazines. But what pictures don't convey is the execution. We put the full features of the MAC DS9 on display - warts and all.
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0:00 Intro
1:42 Overview
4:21 Negatives
8:49 Design issues
12:20 Conclusion - Zábava
Great review! I 100% agree with your observations and conclusions 👍
Tell us your thoughts about your prodigy review verses the mac
@@omac7773 It’s a tough call. The Prodigy shoots better out of the box (and has better grip texture) but the MAC is 100% forged despite its shortcomings. I’m still of the opinion: buy once cry once with Bul or Staccato.
I don’t think anyone expects this to run like a staccato out of the box, but must of us would rather spend $900 for a gun that requires upgrades out of the box than $1400 for a gun that requires upgrades out of the box.
I actually had more issues *after* my review. I sprung it down and tuned the extractor and most of the issues completely went away. I also agree with your assessment on the grip texture. We've also got two of the bushing 5 inch Tisas 2011s and they're way better in my experience. We've got another MAC9 that's doing better out of the box, so the issues aren't consistent.
Do more content plz lil
I’m shocked that you’ll have had so many issues. But it could just be that some of them are slipping through quality control with issues. I have no issues with mines and I know 2-3 others who have it and it’s ran flawlessly for us all
I guess I got a good MAC DS. 1200 rounds of mostly Blazer 115g, and it's been flawless. Thought about lower strength recoil spring, but the gun shoots soft and has been 100% reliable with the stock spring. I haven't cleaned it yet, just a couple drops of oil on the slide rails at 700 rounds. I have long fingers and like the trigger length, but it is noticeably longer than the trigger on my Prodigy. The grip texture is lacking and could definitely use some stippling.
@@arsenal_27 I also ran 2000 rounds through it in very short order. Some of the problems with the gun are deliberate design decisions that aren't present in the 5 inch bushing guns. The recoil spring and erratic ejection went hand in hand with me. The trigger is long for most people and the hammer spring is way too heavy.
@@reddxavier2103 I'm finishing up a 4000 round Platypus review and getting an overview done on how much parts swappability there is on the Tisas Duty DS
Sorry to hear about your issues with the gun. Mine ran without any hiccups. Prodigy mags worked well, 20 and 26 round. My only gripes are the heavier trigger and recoil spring. Just about every budget 2011 is a budget 2011 for a reason. I'm happy with my choice and plan on tuning it to make it as perfect for me as possible. Thanks for the review. Great insight.
Great video! I was considering the tisas non MAC branded, I may still get it as the Tisas, non MAC, price is around $750.
Thank you for also simply considering the "off brand" optics. Even for a range or competition gun, it's nice to see people acknowledge their existence and potential.
I shoot 2011 for competition. Bought this gun for carry to keep the same platform. Almost 1000 rds through and zero malfunction so far. It ate everything I threw at it including hollow points. I polished the sear, disconnector, adjusted the sear spring and brought the trigger weight down to 4 lbs. This rig has not disappointed me yet.
Glad yours is working out for you
@@TheHumbleMarksman Sorry you had issues with yours. That being said, I would not consider this gun for Comp. It’s mostly a duty/self defense piece.
Thanks for the video. As usual, it was excellent. I have purchased one of these and do like it. That being said, I didn't purchase it with the thought process that I was going to get Stacatto or Bul-like performance. However, I was hoping to get close to Prodigy-like performance, and doing a few upgrades that might push me to or above that threshold while spending similar amounts. I picked mine up for $880 and have only had one FTF. It is sprung too heavily, so I put in an Atlas 11lb recoil spring which has definitely helped and I haven't had any additional failures. I'm about 500rds in. I have sent it out for a trigger job and will still be into the firearm for less than a stock Prodigy. Their rollout has had some hiccups, but not nearly as dreadful as the Prodigy's was. That being said, I do have plans to purchase a Prodigy as well. I was able to shoot a friend's recently side by side and noticed the trigger difference which lead me to get the trigger job. Many purchase the Prodigy to upgrade it to get higher performance and durability at a lower price point than a Stacatto or Bul, so in that regard, I'm happy with it. Only time will tell how it holds up. My main issue is that for some reason the way I normally grip a 1911 causes me to occassionally not actuate the grip safety on the MAC. I may look to change it out (since I recall another video of yours where you said not to pin the grip safety). Overall I'm happy with the purchase, but realistic in knowing what the gun is. Keep your content coming. My family loves/hates my dad jokes that I've lifted from you. Of course I don't give you credit for them, I just tell them I'm a comedic genious.
Thanks so much for doing this review and I love how wholesome your channel is. I really wanted the DS9 to be a winner but seeing the erratic ejection pattern on some early reviews made me suspicious and am now really glad I went another direction after seeing your review. I don’t feel like I missed out.
I'm also a big fella. 6'9" ~260 lbs I too wear XL and XXL gloves. I have to shop guns by hand size as much or more than anything... Kinda like cars sadly.
Keep up the good content 💪
Totally agree with you, I ordered this gun, but, at that price point, you have to modify things to make a good reliable gun, work on the trigger, recoil spring, etc.
It s the same for a prodigy ds.
It s still really affordable and a good base.... But with some gunsmith work.
Honest guy, honest review.
Thank you
Another data point for you.
I have 1500 rounds through mine and several USPSA matches, without a hitch.
when I received it the right side safety was floppy, and the trigger was 6lbs and the slide would hang up on the disco.
I adjusted the sear spring down to 2.5lbs and reduced the disconnector pressure, pulled the safeties and tightened the knuckle joint until the safety was tight. After 1000 rounds I replaced the guide rod with an atlas tool less rod and 13lb recoil spring
It's only been ran with igman 124gr FMJ for range/comp and Winchester 147gr JHPs for carry
I agree the texture of the grip is terrible, other than that it's been a great handgun and it seems like I got lucky
Makes me glad i got a great one. I just tuned the trigger in about 10 minutes and swapped out the grip for a villain grip. Not one failure in the first 1225 rounds.
Kickstart my heart hope it never stops!
Great review... To add my thoughts... Spend a couple hundred on upgrades and the DS9 becomes a fantastic pistol. I put an Atlas tool less guide rod, matched sear ignition kit and a lighter recoil spring in mine. All in at under $1200 (with recent lower pricing, most could now do the same mods and come in a little over $1K). Since the trigger in the 2011 is basically "everything", it takes the DS9 up to around the Staccato level for shooting experience. (and yes, I purchased a Staccato P shortly after picking up the DS9 so that I could compare them). NEGATIVES are: sights don't co-witness and you can press the slide stop out on a lot of these guns while the slide is still in battery.
Great video I had been debating this one or LFA Apollo 11 compact. Took the chance on the Apollo and all I can say is Houston we have lift off! Thing is awesome! Hope too see you try the compact version
My Prodigy is fixed, the gunsmith set it up with a trigger that pulls at around 2lb 6oz and it has Atlas IDPA safeties...I need to shoot it more, but so far it's disgustingly good for being the price of what the Prodigy was selling for when they were new (1248+350 not including the cost of the Atlas safeties).
PS. The grip was one of the reasons I honestly say that people who want a bull barrel should just go with the Prodigy.
Also, my Prodigy came with a 5-6lb trigger. But, it was reliable after 150rds and some of the initial fuckery.
Great review! I really want to try the 2011 platform but I'm going crazy trying to make a choice. I think I've got in narrowed down to the Apollo 11 or the Prodigy but there are so many affordable options right now including this one. Do you have an overall favorite in the "affordable 2011" offerings??? From your previous video regarding the "affordable 2011s" you seem to lean towards the Prodigy. I can't afford to buy multiples so whatever I purchase, I will be stuck with for at least awhile LOL.
Great video, What about Tisas br9 ds, You doing that one ?
Thanks for the video and no way to have a free lunch seems to be your conclusions on the budget offerings. PSA for that Cyelee pro optic; I just yeeted the battery tray screw in less than 500 rounds (never found the screw obviously; Cyelee sends a 2 pack for 10 bucks on the main page of the website no real surpise guessing it's common); I just got some purple vibra tite for the baby screws and will be doing that to all side loading battery trays this weekend yay! Savvy folks already did this I assume. Budget double stacks are fun to see and root for, but the difference from a limited user like me from the Apollo to the Platypus is massive and I have messed around with the next level like Staccato/MPA/VGW and it's whole other jump. Spend the money for that mid range option or spend energy and money upgrading to a prodigy/tisas-MAC/Girsan/Apollo 11 to a point it is nearly the cost of mid range without being that good. Not sure these budget options defeat the quality of a Tanfo/CZ/Beretta/PDP/Sig but whatever blows people's hair back.
Totally agree with your review. I had the same experience.
Sounds like you need to do another budget 2011 shootout video. The prodigy at the top of the pack with the other 4-7 cbeap 2011s.
Another solid and thorough video... We really do need to know these things and it really beats spending $$ or in today's world $$$$$$$ to only be disappointed. I really hope they resolve these v. 1.0 issues. I'll pass for now, but I would really like to see what happens with a 2.0 version.
I noted that you mentioned the overhang over the ejection port.
My Staccato P has an RMR HD on it, with overhang. Haven't had a single malfunction yet because of it. Just not an issue with the Staccato?
I trust your reviews. Bummed that the Mac didn't live up to the hype. I have a Prodigy 4.25 so I guess I'm good on my Bull Barreled gun. I also have my Platypus (which I ordered because of you...) which I love, and I have the Tisas DS 9's (Duty and Carry). I have preemptively changed the recoil spring in the Carry to a Platypus spring (13 lbs) because IMO 16 is just too much. I thought that with my Stingray, although it never had an issue, but I like the feel of the 13 lb better. Duty has 14 lb, seems fine. Put Klonimus full length guide rods in them just for the heck of it. Changed the Prodigy to a 10-8 GI setup though...lmao! Platy has an EGW full length. Even the updated 2 piece from Stealth Arms was coming loose, and it kind of seized when I loctited it so, no more 2 pieces for me, too much trouble.
Try out the Tisas DS guns and see if you like them better. I haven't shot mine yet, thanks overtime, but I think they're pretty slick.
Thanks for the review. I purchased the Tisas 1911 Duty DS 9mm a few weeks ago. So the 5 inch model without the bull barrel. I’ve got 300 rounds thru mine. 1 ftf the second mag in but no issues since then. My first 50 rounds were 124 nato. It has fed HST’s just fine too. Mine was $750. It’s my first 1911 and also first 2011 style pistol. So far I am happy with the purchase. My slide hang up on the disconnector is very minimal now and the trigger is getting lighter the more I use it. Will be curious how the pistol is when I get 2-3 thousand rounds thru it.
How much you paid for it?
@@edwardz5975
It’s in my post, $750
Still waiting for a complete review of the Tisas Night Stalker... You've mentioned it and have already given some opinions. I'd love to hear your honest thoughts. I have heard the fitment is somewhat loose. Still considering that option.
Was waiting for your review on this as I've been taking my time researching good ds 1911that doesn't cost a fortune. Currently I've got the platypus as the best bang for the money
For the Swampfox Justice II and Gideon Omega, which do you prefer? The Justice II has the 6 moa dot that I want but it seems to have more tinted glass than the Gideon.
Did you try a light grease like BattleBorn? For guns of these tolerances, that might help lubrication stay in place.
I bought one of these with the expectations being that it would not be as smooth as a higher priced 2011, but I also am not afraid to take a dremel tool to a new gun, a bit of polishing and de-burring and mine runs flawless. i played with different recoil springs too, to get it feeling like i wanted it too. its a fantastic gun with a little work IMO.
I’ve got 1000 rnds through mine no hiccups I really like it I also have a staccato p I does compare especially at this price point, trigger job is a most and for optimal performance polish the slide rails and feed ramp
Long trigger shoes are typically made of aluminum. Even a tired file will cut aluminum. Easy to make the trigger shorter. New recoil spring is about $7 or $8. Magazine base plates are an endless battle as every gun seems to need something different. From my perspective, pistol looks like a lot of performance for the money. Excellent review. Thanks
You will always get a like from me, even just for the dad jokes 😆. Btw hope you run your old cz75b again and share your thoughts about it now as i am sure you have become a much better shooter now vs then. Still waiting for that video. More power and success to you as always!
what would happen if you put an aftek extractor and a 12lb recoil spring?
need a follow up vid
Mines been extremely good. No issues. It’s very much worth the money
This make's me interested in the LFA Apollo 11 compact review (If you do a review on it). If LFA has addressed the issues like they say they have, they could be in a good spot of the 2011 market.
you get a like for the Well Damn, wow, that was fast and great
Please get your hands on a LTT p30! I wanna know your thoughts on it
Mine needed alot of tuning out of the box on the trigger (was heavy) and the extractor. The springing is heavy and prefers nato spec
@TheHumbleMarksman I submit the following dad joke in hopes of it being used in a future video:
Well. Deep subject. If you turn them sideways they make great tunnels! 😂😂
Normal 1911/2011 stuff. If someone didn't build it for you, then expect to tune or replace parts.
Learn to tension your extractor and watch for wear if it needs profiling.
Get a spring weight and ensure main and recoil springs are actually what they should be.
Get a Wolff spring kit and fine tune.
Sounds like an externally replaceable trigger shoe setup is a good idea.
Lack of mim ignition parts isn't a guarantee if a good trigger. Might have to tweak it or replace with a Colt spring. May have to rent a sear jig and polish sear to hammer hooks as desired.
Magwell sounds like it should be dumped for whatever is compatible if you have known good 2011 mags already.
Well, given the Star Trek DS9 naming, I kind of want it, even if it's not all that and a bag of chips.
I just stumbled across your channel, and all I'll say is you have a new subscriber!
I'm waiting for the Apollo compact
It’s awesome
I'm confused as to why these are having problems compared to the Tisas DS. They're made by the same company. Does it have to do with the bull barrel and full-length guide rod VS. normal barrel (bushing)/guide rod?
I haven’t had any issues with mine 💪🏽I guess I got one of the good ones.
Thank you for your honesty. Always appreciated. Some guntubers tend to promote free shit.
I have watched so many videos about this gun and you are the first I have seen with malfunctions like that, after watching them and knowing they did not get the gun from the manufacture but from a store I trust what 20 other users have said so I went and bought one myself.
Nightwood guns had basically the same issues I have.
@@TheHumbleMarksman roger that, just going by all the videos I have seen.
What a killjoy, but then again you have to expect that there may be some grizzle in a two dollar steak. Looking forward to Gen II when they get these issues sorted out, otherwise it's back to shooting my polymer pistols.
Another great review and you have saved me from a 1,000+ headache
lol. One review that isn’t all positive is hardly a headache.
@getrippt lol appreciate your opinion on my opinion 😀
Picked mine up for $750 so I’m happy didn’t pay $1000 like it is at most places and for $750 I’m more then happy with the mac9 but I still think my prodigy runs smoother then my Mac 9 but I paid $1200 for the prodigy so value wise the Mac 9 takes the cake. Good review my friend 👍🏼🙂💥🇺🇸
Please do a comparison to the Prodigy
Seems like you and @NightwoodGuns are the only two that have gone in depth about the shortcomings of this pistol.
I just bought mine no issues at all shooting 124 grain. 250 rounds not an issue.
Plus one for the dirty Algo Rhythm
QVO Tactical/Roger Barrera just posted a great comparison video for the MAC, Tisas and Live Free Armory.
Nice Turcatto...
Where is BDE roar?! I'm missing it.
So pretty much everything could have been done from the factory with no additional money. Better grip texturing. Slightly taller sights. Reduce power spring. Trigger length Except for maybe properly tuning the extractor however that is the worst part of a 1911 they should all go to external extractors
Sounds like a typical tisas. My 1911 duty had all of the same issues. Had to re-machine the feed ramp to get it to feed a complete mag, ramp angle was way off. Also had to work the barrel ramp. Bushing to barrel fit was really bad. I knew I would have issues and was expecting to have to put in some work, just surprised at how much work it needed. It ended up being a pretty good shooter. She has a ton of rounds thru her.
The Prodidgy had the same issue with the recoil spring being too heavy. If thats caising the issue should be a cheap fix
Keeping it real.
Dang I’m literally going to pick mine up today, hope it’s not as bad as all of this
It's not.
Hollow guide rod to stash rolled currency to purchase a solid guide rod for funzies - not.
looks like the strange hit may have had junk blocking the firing pin...?
How about some 5.7x28 pistol reviews?
I've been waiting for this review. This seemed like it wasn't as bad as the Girsan, but wasn't as good as the Tisas-designed and marketed models. Absolutely seems like it's over-sprung, which should be criminal on a 2011.
I feel like pricepoint alone means you can't reasonably expect stacatto performance or reliability out of this lol. Not that you can't have good levels of those at lower prices but 2011s cost a fair bit for a reason. And I don't really expect stacatto performance out of my prodigy lol
The grip on it bothers me because it seems like it's trying to be stacatto but isn't.
I’m putting a nighthawk drop in ignition and a atlas short trigger
5:12 who’s saying it should ? Do they have no reason ? I understand it will preform at the price that it is being sold at with all steel parts vs a mim part gun like Springfield and prices higher .
*2:00** TISAS is mentioned on MAC's website. So do they import two questionable DS 1911s?*
4. B9R Duty and Carry (5 and 4.25), Night Stalker 5.5(threaded barrel), and the MAC 9.
I don't think anyone really thinks that they're great pistols, it's more about the price. A 2011 for less than 1000 is great all on its own especially when companies like mclearn limcat ect. aren't making frames, jem is backordered for months and cheely is hit or miss at best.
What?? I have 80k rounds thru mine & it runs perfectly! 😂😂
I played with one at my LGS & wasn’t very hyped about it. The one they had seemed to be closer to a 6-7 lb trigger & super gritty slide.
The last thing I would do is judge a 2011 purely on it's trigger. It takes about 10 min to take the break weight down to under 3 llbs. If you spend an hour in the guts with a little polishing, you can bring the trigger experience up the the $2500-5000 pistol level.
@@PaulFrancisAAA I’m very familiar with 1911’s & 2011’s, I own a few.
I don't think the internet really knows what mim parts are, they just know the internet says their bad so they don't want them.
I don't know what mim parts are. Can you pls explain?
@@anthonycarlton1286 in super simple terms, metal is mixed with a filler/binder (some sort of polymer), and the slurry is injected into a mold and formed. Then, the molded piece is heat treated which vaporizes the binder, solidifies the part, and the part shrinks some percentage of its original size. It's a very useful technique when you want to make a very intricate part for a low cost. Well done MIM is as good as any other part, but you can get bad MIM parts, and you can get bad forged parts. MIM is used in a lot of areas, like in planes (turbofan blades), cars (some engine and transmission parts), guns (going all the way back to the 70's i believe). MIM is just fine, but people think if it ain't forged or bar stock, it ain't worth shit. I say, if it works, it works, use it till it breaks or wears out then replace.
@@socmonkivery good description with accuracy! Most striker fired pistols are made with mim parts. MIM is great for affordable mass production
Mim is metal injected mould.
@@socmonkii think kimber is largly to blame for the mim hate, when they went to it they executed it in a spectacularly awful way
I agree 100% with your opinion on this pistol. The LFA Apollo with some minor tuning if by far better than most of the economy 2011's out there right now. This gun can also shine with some tuning, a grip module change or enhancement, a 10 lb. recoil spring and a good aftermarket trigger exchange. All of the "cheap" 2011's are basically a starting point. If you can do some DIY tuning you would be way ahead of the game.
"Well dam" 😂😂
It's the way of the world bro , my newest Video on PSA Daggers has people in an uproar lol and I'm literally saying I love PSA and Carry a Micro Dagger sometimes but since I'm telling a lie that Daggers aren't as Good As Glocks I'm the Devil 😂
I was excited for this gun but then I kind of realized, man, the 2011 is a precision instrument and you may as well just save up.
There are absolutely occasions where you need to be able to defend yourself and a budget Hi Point or Taurus are going to be the best you can afford. But a budget 2011 just doesn't make a lot of sense.
The Manufacturer is Tisas, Not Tisis. ;
Sounds like another candidate for Try Before You Buy at the range, if possible. I had a Ronin and a Colt 1911 for a month and sold them. They were junk. I shot an Atlas Athena at the range and bought one. Which lead to Nighthawks and Wilson’s, and SVI. Buy once and cry like hell, but what a magnificent gun. This one is meh: unexceptional uninspiring unimpressive. Best Regards
Yea man, this sucks. We just want a 1k 2011 that is worth it and reliable. Fanboying is weird. I’m not looking to defend a gun company, I just want my money to go to a good purchase. I was hoping this was the one for this price. Guess I’ll keep saving for a Platypus.
2011 can't be made for cheap.
@@lucastonoli3256 Yes they can.
Buy the 5 inch tisas, way better gun.
@@hostilegoat It's kind of trash.
@@lucastonoli3256 it's really not, go be uninformed somewhere else. I'm sure there's a gun group you can go clout chasing in
If the Prodigy out performs it. It must be crap.😊
@TheHumbleMarksman Here's another one.
Wife: I'm mad!
Husband: Again or still?
I think you've got one than needs to go back to the factory. I've seen several run flawlessly which is way better than Prodigys and their list of issues. Too bad too prodigy could been a great gun. Mac 9 is King in my book.
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Can you make a video about the Jacob Grey TWC9?
NOOOO!!!! We were all hoping it was reliable!
Internal extractors need to go on 9mm 2011s/1911s. I know purist hate that but it just doesn't make sense.
Ceremonial traction 🤣
I would tell you my pizza joke….. but it’s too cheesy
That stinks. I'm kind of surprised, actually. My MAC JSOC 1911 has been very good. Then again, its a single stack 45 ACP. Completely different animal when it comes to manufacturing.
I feel like theres this neverending quest to try to turn lead into gold with these "1k 2011 thats just as good as a staccato". You just cant combine high quality and specs with low price if you want to actually stay in business as a manufacturer.
I think you had a bad gun because im over 1000 rounds without a single problem and i lube it and clean it after 600 rounds
Wow , talk about a hit piece.
Go back and watch your 4.25 prodigy review
No bashing about commander size, running hotter nato ammo on the Springfield ,no talk about finish on the Mac ,barrel fit ,slide tightness or lack of tooling marks etc
It does seem your intent was to bash exactly because of the positive reviews.
Everyone is going to be respringing and sear spring adjusting these 2011's , no matter what -except on the high end one's which you already paid for.
Curious , you can remove the magwell easy enough and you state you dont like them in the springfield review- so why not remove it ? , options are nice
No shooting iron sights for function check , curious ..
Question- Are you sponsored or supported by Springfield in any way?
Other than review samples occasionally no - I bought my commander prodigy - it worked fine.
Out of the box the prodigy was a better gun than this. Why does that bother you?
Also you are unhinged - I have contacts at several very big YT channels - I understand the kinds of deals channels get. Usually it’s just a review sample. TFB is sponsored by Glock to run promotion on Glocks.
The kind of deals nobody does is negative PR campaigns like you are implying - that’s not a thing. Dudes like you who know nothing assume it is. It’s not.
If I am sponsored I am required by the FCC to disclose it - it’s in the description and I mention it early in the video - if the gun for the video is a sample for free - then I have to disclose that as sponsorship - if I don’t I get hammered by the FCC potentially and that’s smoke neither I - or anybody wants
So - why do you choose to be aggressively ignorant?
@@TheHumbleMarksman It doesn't bother me that the prodigy worked fine out of the box, I know some do some don't- cost doesn't always equal QC as you say
What does interest me , as a new to 2011 platform , not to pistols consumer , watching reviews to to get quality info on new guns coming out .
Sorry dude but watch your prodigy review next to this one , you are literally trashing on the mac for being a 4.25 in gun
I was in the market for a 2011 and decided between the tisas variants or the prodigy, ultimately deciding on the mac , even though it hasn't established a prove track record.
I went in expecting tuning and re-springing would be needed on either platform, and I was correct- both are overspung and heavy triggers for the platform
I guess I've been lucky, did a 13 LB recoil spring and bent mainspring to about a 3 Lb trigger pull and haven't any issues,
For me the the prodigy isn't a better gun for the cost difference, but that's my opinion , I would like to hear what's worth ,say 400 dollars better on the prodigy ,
Now if you say ,well it just works, yep mine too, sample size one each so ..
@@TheHumbleMarksman Also as to your comments about being unhinged and aggressively ignorant-
I don't believe myself to be unhinged in questioning your review points, they just seem to be considerably different between the reviews , and that is called an opinion , and yes, everyone has one.
As to how the YT process and shilling aspects of reviews and promoting products goes- Guilty as charged, I'm not familiar with the process so I asked
$400 better than the Tisas is it's american manufacture, better optic system, and better grip module. The prodigy has 3rd party support in the form of magwells specifically for it's grip now. Either gun if I were running it I would drop an ignition kit (matched sear/hammer) and a toolless guide rod. At that point the prodigy has MIM firing pin stop, safeties - maybe slide stop - I can't remember. The prodigy trigger profile happens to be my preference - that'd be another piece on the MAC I'd have to swap.
Prodigy has more functional slide serrations - the forward serrations on the MAC aren't aggressive enough.
So despite the better slide finish, better small parts at that point all things equal between guns - I would have a better performer with the prodigy and I'd have flexibility on optics in a way you don't get on MAC. Realistically - ambi safeties break with enough use - whether MIM or tooled steel. The Prodigy is built closer to a good spec than the MAC is - from a "bones" perspective without having to do surgery on a grip or potentially swap them. The prodigy also has a heavier slide profile and barrel as it doesn't taper - of the polymer gripped options out there - it's appreciably softer shooting. Plus the grip texture on the Prodigy is pretty legit. Sprinfield got it right on developing that profile for the hellcat. And slide to frame fit is appreciably better on the prodigy. If you believe infinity - the least amount of vibration/turbulence in firing the gun - the better form a longevity standpoint. I doubt these guns will see round counts that high - but - the prodigy is better fit. Controls are better fit. Stock springs are closer to optimum.
RE: my review points - look at the Apollo 11 video - it's very similar to this one with a gun that had hiccups. The Girsan 2311 was more negative because the gun choked more. The prodigy review - I had zero issues with either of the guns (one sample and one I bought). I didn't receive the sample until after the review was live - so there wasn't any sort of "glow" from getting a new gun. To date - I had exactly two malfunctions with either prodigy - one from a short Sig VCRown that was short and one from not tightening that stupid two piece guide rod down correctly. IN a couple /few thousand rounds now on the prodigies collectively they have fewer issues than this one MAC did in ~420 rounds.
Does it come with an RMR plate? Or its purchased separately? If yes, how much?
Yes comes with the RMR plate
Based on my experience owning three Tisas 1911's and handling several more, I believe that the brand is way overhyped. These are cheap guns, not inexpensive, cheap. If you buy one, you will probably get a decent gun, but Tisas's quality control and overall workmanship is not up to American standards. Save a little more money and get a Bul or a domestically produced gun.
Don’t bash. My 1st 3 rounds were in the 10 (21 ft), and after my 1st 200 rds, absolutely ZERO, failures, malfunctions, or anything less than Performance, no brag, just Fact. Your Pistol, or You, aren’t working right, I’ll bet on it.
You’re right - it’s a skill issue that causes erratic ejection. And tolerance stacking isn’t a thing and every pistol from the factory is the same.
Can tell you have a biased grudge against the pistol.... even though you only paid $900 for it !! Obviously it would take a few hundred dollars and a little finesse-ing to get it on point. You forget, it allows us poor folks to get on the 2011 DS ladder !
I have zero grudge - you’d be better served saving for a prodigy - because even with a couple hundred in parts you’d be stuck with a crappy grip. The prodigy grip is legit good
Customer service is horrible. They send guns out with slide stop fitment or frame. Not sure yet. Slide to frame on mine is pretty loose. And mine is “not that bad” my tisas ds9 5” is way tighter then the Mac. If I had to do it again I wouldn’t touch the Mac.
The springfield channel "paid sponsorship" just bleeds through. Trying to stomp out the MAC hype fire. Haha
You are high as a kite. I show you what’s wrong with the gun and you refuse to accept it
@@TheHumbleMarksman
Thanks for keeping it real. It takes a thick skin to not blow up on some of the but hurt comments!
Rock on my friend!
@@TheHumbleMarksman Show me what's right with the gun like you do the others that are 1.5 to 2x to 3x the price. Please.
the problem is the fine details is where separation occurs on price. This misses on most of the fine details.
How is Masterpiece Arms not going after them for copyright infringement with the DS9 moniker? The MPA DS9 is a high quality firearm compared to this mess and I would think through model name confusion it may hurt their reputation and sales. Hell, I have to admit I jumped right on this video because I thought you were referring to the MPA DS9! I love mine and my 1st thought was "OH NO!" lol.