Eldrazi - Creatures of the Blind Eternities | Magic: The Gathering Lore
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- Learn about the inscrutable and alien Eldrazi that lurk within the void between planes in this Study in Realities; their world-bending powers to create and destroy threaten many realms of MTG's Multiverse.
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One of my favorite theories about the Eldrazi is that they recycle dying planes, with Ulamog and Kozilek preparing the plane and Emrakul bringing new life to it. Supposedly Emrakul had herself trapped in Innistrad's moon because the plane wasn't ready for her, as it was still very much alive and thriving.
More undead than dead
@@adner232 Eh not really. Yes there is ghosts and zombies but no more then other planes. Vampires are technically alive on Innistrad. Hence why Sorin was able to be a planewalker without stealing a spark.
I loved that story. Emrakul manipulating Tamiyo's mind to trap her in the moon until she's ready, instead of using the scrolls for anything else Tamiyo wanted to do.
Now that Tamiyo is phyrexian I wonder what she'll do with her knowledge?
I can't imagine any phyrexian overcoming Emrakul or anything like that... But they are master schemers. Just a lingering question I think on.
@@eliasfett8165 What would happen with a "Emrakul completed" 🤯
Or maybe Emrakul corrupting the phyrexian themselves, making them evolves into even more dangerous mutant. I don't know what would be worst
@@simonboucher5170 ya know what's funny, those are the exact questions I've asked myself 🤣
A Phyrexian/Eldrazi Titan, or a Eldrazi influencing phyrexians... What a threat either way.
Could you imagine Emrakul being the mother of machines 😲
Honestly I feel Emrakul is too powerful to be manipulated... But I also think glistening oil is too cancerous to be truly overtaken.
All I know, is phyrexians are friggin smart and creative f*ckers... And most importantly, they are extremely patient... And This Phyrexian Tamiyo has access to powerful scrolls the original Tamiyo vowed to never use 🧐 who knows... Exciting thoughts though.
The most terrifying thing about Emrakul is she thinks, reasons, and chooses. She is not a mindless monster, but a cosmic being beyond even Jace's compression with an agenda of her own. She sees, knows, and understands more than any other character and is working out of benevolence. Apparently.
Emrakul loves us,
this I know,
cause she told us so.
...she even has angels....
What if it's just a black box that responds to what it thinks will get a reaction? There's a sci fi term for this, but I don't remember.
@@RonOnTheWay That would be a nicer reality than what we got. Emrakul wrote the spell that binds her.
One of the reasons I don't play Emrakul in any decks honestly, the aspect of destroying is foreign to this one.
Emrakul is such a boss, she didn’t even get beaten back… she intentionally retreated, she’s going to return, and when she does, it will be no less than a massacre!
Emrakul is easily my favorite of the Titans, but to be honest, I haven’t seen an Eldrazi that I don’t like, from the lowly Eldrazi scions to the three Titans themselves, which is why I have multiple decks dedicated to them!
Great video and breakdown!
Appreciate it! Yes, I'm very excited to see her return
I disagree. I believe that "massacre" is an understatement
@@timgil7830 yeah, you’re right… “extinction” is a more appropriate word.
Tamiyo knows the spell to free emrakul
And she's now a phyrexian
Phyrexian emrakul anyone?
@@loganblack6572 side note. Phyrexian has as much to lose. However with comments like ajani being a sleeper agent etc. And given who tamiyo is, perhaps that is her plan and she isn't as fully completed as we would think, hence she remains capable of planeswalking
The way I see them they’re not exactly the same thing as biological organism, they’re kind of the avatars of living entropy. They’re a necessary part of the multiverse as they potentially prevent stagnation
Sire of Stagnation would like to have a word.
So you say they are the enemy of Phyrexians? where completion would basically equal stagnation
I don’t see the eldrazi as evil monsters. I just see them as forces of nature. Like Emrakul putting herself inside the moon. I don’t see her retreat as tactical or menacing but rather sad. She doesn’t have a purpose now that her brothers(?) are gone. She can’t bring life to new planes if Ulamog and Kozilek aren’t there to form them for her. For me I see her story as really sad because she isn’t trying to hurt, she is just trying to do what she is, a life bringer.
I think that’s what’s so cool about Eldrazi, at face value they are big scary monsters but in actuality the titans are just trying to do their job and recycle old planes to bring more life.
Yeah I know this is the “theory” but it’s pretty widely accepted and it just makes the most sense. I can’t wait for them to return so I can make more decks with eldrazi themes.
The Eldrazi seems like a combination of kaiju and lovecraftian gods, kind of a force of nature and involved with the story (like a kaiju) but also kind of ineffable (like an elder god). I really like the eldrazi as a threat because it's lacking understandable agenda. Sure you can say it's about truths we cannot understand, but most of them just mindlessly follow instinct and the horror is really that we try to make sense of something that isn't really complicated, just hopeless. Sure you can suggest that there is deeper meaning like the suggestion of "clearing up space" for new planes, but I sort of think that's just wishful thinking or us thinking we can understand something with such a destructive, distruptive and world ending instinct. This is how they differ from phyrexians in my opinion because, even though phyrexia is horrifying, it's understandable. The Eldrazi just don't care about you. They will destroy you just because you are alive, as is the tree beside you, and you aren't more important.
With the theory of eldrazi's cycling purpose, I 'd like to think that zendikar is near the end . A plane with crumbling nature, exploding randomly, full of old relics in forgotten temples , is a perfect candidate for being a dying plane. And "zendikar's rising" could have a much better signification than just being " we rise again after a terrible battle ". Maybe the roil is the manifestation of a "rotten" undying plane . Some cards like "shrine of the forsaken gods" are telling us that it's not the first time zendikar cheat on death and I like to think that some days, zendikar will pay the price of it's acts .
Eldrazis introduced me to MTG. It was Ulamog I fell in love with because the playstyle suit me most. It's like playing MTG without thinking that much-- just bring out huge guns.
You forgot to mention the most important thing. While Ulamog and Kozilek were defeated by the Gate Watch, it was Emrakul herself who imprison herself into the Innistrad's moon (By taking control of Tamyo and having Tamyo cast the spell). To this day we don't know why Emrakul did it, as her victory was almost assured.
All of this means, we actually don't know the Eldrazi's purpose. If they just want to consume (each with their own method), why did Emrakul stop?
She retreated with the foresight that WotC would pollute future sets of Innistrad. She will be needed to erase the mistakes spewed by WotCs miasma. Only Emrakul can ingest their poison and clean the taint to a pure colorless mana. She waits. She bides. She plays Monopoly by herself cause she's bored on a moon not realizing she promotes the monolith that is Hasbro.
It does imply an actual purpose, such as Ugin's theory of destroying dying planes to make space for new ones. If that theory is correct, then it means Emrakul stopped because it wasn't Innistrad's time yet.
Of course, there are other possible purposes, but there has to be something beyond mindless destruction.
I'm assuming a world destroyer might either see:
A)the planetary fruit are not yet ripe
B) it is more efficient to farm your food than just take it all wholesale
@@MrHocotateFreight that implies Zendikar's time to die is near as the titans did not leave it once freed only Emy
Even more intriguing that what we know of Emrakul is about a pinky-finger at best.
Emrakul's pinky is trapped in the moon; the rest of her exists outside of perception..
I always thought the 3 worked in tandem. I.E. ulamog strips the world of mana. Kozilek converts what’s left into “waste” mana and Emarakul converts the living mass into creatures that can utilise it.
A theory I always liked was that eldrazi were meant to prevent timespirals like those on Dominaria from building up
Curious why they wouldn't go to dominaria earlier then, no? Instead, they went for planes like Zendikarr with a lot of mana.
@@TheMightyBattleSquid they were sealed away before the Brother's War so there weren't that many rifts on Dominaria at the time
Lore: Emrakul intentionally traps herself in a moon thus defeating herself.
Gameplay: Gets taken out by 15 squirrels
yeah lore and actual gameplay is quiet different xD i love the meme with the 15 squirrels
The Eldrazi have always been a fave of mine, while they may not have had as such a long and impactful story compared to Bolas, or Yawgmoth and his children, the Eldrazi certainly have a dominating and incredible power thats even well shown within the game itself, beings of power beyond reason.
Very good video as always. I love Ugin's planar ecosystem theory about shattering dying planes to make room for new flourishing ones. Very sweet. Honestly I love all the Titans, I think my favorite would probably be Kozilek, butcher of truth, or Ulamog, the ceaseless hunger, hard to decide.
Anyways keep up the great work Lorebrarians, amazing stuff from you as always. Go forth and explore the lore fellow lore lovers 😁🤘
I think it's less about dying and more mana is concentrating too much in one plane, hence why they jumped to Zendikar a plane known for its excessive mana. One has to imagine that if too much goes to one plane the others suffer or there simply isn't enough to form new planes.
@@TheMightyBattleSquid yeah that's a more probable theory, I'd have to agree. I hope they explore Ugin and the Eldrazi more sometime in the semi near future. I feel like whenever they include Ugin in the story he gets little more than a taste.
I like Emrakul the most because it seems almost aware of what it is can put off it’s own hunger for a time.
I love the fact that people call Emrakul a "she" and the other two "he" for that matter. Because when I see an incomprehensible mass of tentacles im always like "Yeah there's some gender happening in there"
This is due to the deities that merfolk and people of zendikar made on them image after ages: Emeria is a female angel goddess, kozi and ula are both male warriors. They are depicted on the card "Shrine of the forsaken gods".
What if planes are just Eldrazi poop? They eat one plane and crap out another.
Ayo I hear that Martian war machine cry from War of the Worlds. Very fitting for the Titans!
Another cool video, thank you for spending your time and effort on this channel!
Everything I wanted to know about Eldrazi but was too lazy to research myself! Another amazing video Erek!
Yeah, just finished your Amonketh video and fell into a tiny post content hole & now I can just continue listening to your soothing voice, thst drowns out the world around me.
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I came to mtg during mirrodin, and the eldrazi defined what I loved the most, character wise. The power, they hold is crazy, and ppl hate seeing them drop on the board, but there fun, even when playing against.
It makes me happy to see a lore video on the Eldrazi like this
this video was fantastic, absolutely loved every bit of it just like all the other species study videos. I hope one day you decide too make a study Video in Giants! They are one of my favorite tribes in all of Magic, and would love to see what you can pull from the Giants. Thanks for the great Vid!
So glad you enjoyed and I appreciate the suggestion, I'll keep Giants in mind in the future
You forgot to mention Processors when talking about the hierarchy.
I have long awaited this day!!! Thank you love your videos you do a great job and a great service.
Glad to hear, hope you enjoyed it!
Great video as always Eric. Sorry I'm getting to this so late, I've been listening to an audiobook series lately. I've anticipated this very much as I'm sure you know since I've requested a video on the eldrazi a LOT. I think you forgot to cover the eldrazi processors, but otherwise, absolutely perfect video, as always
You bet, glad you enjoyed! And you're right, I missed discussing the processors from BFZ block
I never played the sets with the Eldrazi, but I've loved catching up on the story online. I remember when I first learned about them, I thought of the Bohrok from Bionicle and their directive: "Clean it all. It must be cleaned."
I was talking to a friend of mine about what might come next and i theorized that the eldrazi might come back. And he has an interesting theory about what they were. He said that the might have been slivers at one point.
Have you seen the 'playtest' card 'Slivdrazi Monstrosity'? It represents the true horror of Slivers + Eldrazi.
Ngl the idea of seeing the titans approach New Phyrexia and them recycling it because of how far gone it is from Mirrodin would kinda get me excited
Titan as only Emrakul is left unless she makes new titans
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena actually killing the titans on Zendikar was only killing the manifestations of said titans; they are very much alive and well within their native blind eternities. Their forms in any given plane are more or less the equivalent of fingers being dipped into a fish bowl with their spawn being, disgustingly enough, comparable to skin flakes. We have NO idea how/why eldrazi manifest on a plane outside of hints from Nahiri's whole thing she did and an apparent pattern of being attracted to massive amounts of concentrated mana. Make no mistake, the titans are alive and well
@@jessebridgeman767 Dude it was literally said that they pulled the true forms into the plains and killed them
Great video, made me find out about Emrakul
Once again great video, narration and rythme.
Thanks, I appreciate it
Evreytime I look at culling drone, I can't help but think of the Paramites from Abes Exodus and Oddessey.
Given that the eldrazi are extra planner in origin, it's likely they will comeback if not more of them will be found, after all there are infinite planes which means that the blind eternities is infinitely vaster still so who really knows what's floating around in there/out there
I believe Ulamog & Kozilek to be the original surviving drones of Emrakul. This would explain its dominance over the other two Titans, Her size, power and less drone like appearance (arms & heads)
Great video and summary! What are you thoughts about Emrakul's "conversation" with Jace? It seems to suggest they are sentient and has some purpose we don't quite comprehend.
This was a great video!
Sweet video. Eldrazi are awesome.
I wonder what would happen if they were unleashed on New Phyrexia?
If the fight against Phyrexia gets bad enough (on Innistrad, at least) then Emrakul might just be their ace in the hole.
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I get so hyped when a eldrazi is involved with anything. I own every art of emrakul!
Such a cool card and an amazing creature type. Eldrazi are everything you want from cosmic consumers
I like how they picked the war of the world's alien sound for the intro.
I want to make a lore-friendly Emrakul EDH deck. Do you mind listing the emrakul-specific cards you've found, if they weren't all mentioned in the video? I don't mind looking for myself but honestly I'd be looking for flavor in illustration half the time.
I have been waiting for this one. I am still not quite sure what are Eldrazi.
My favorite is Emrakul, and her gigantic beauty.
Now, that brings a question to my mind : with all the power, all the mana, and all the magic knowledge they have, how did none of those eldrazis get access to planeswalking ?
They don't need to they walk through the blind eternaties
@@poenpotzu2865 Wouldn't it be easier tho ? Like, I don't really know how planeswalking work, but it should be some kind of teleporting thing, right ?
@@pathtracker4944 Eldrazi having the ability to Planeswalk would be completely superfluous because they already live in the Blind Eternities and can travel through it. Planeswalking is just the ability Planeswalkers use to travel the Blind Eternities.
They technically do. They travel between planes breaking them down and moving on.
@@pathtracker4944 I'm not sure you're thinking about it quite right. See, if we go with Ugin's example with the fish and the pond, then a planeswalker spark would be a particular fish's ability to jump from one pond to another at a great expenditure of energy. For eldrazi, being the hand stuck inside the pond, they wouldnt need to jump from pond to pond, they just need to pull their hand out and stick it in the next pond without much effort. Does that make sense?
I'm only just noticing that Kozilek's "halo" looks like Ulamog's "skull" split open.
The eldrazi are my favorite of the tribal types. Very destructive and mean.
Fun fact if you search any creature that has infect into gatherer you will find that they updated the oracle text to call them Phyrexian which is another fun tribe to play but the moment someone sees Infect type of Phyrexians archenemy for some stupid reason even though they know that you can only kill one person in a 4 player game
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena give everyone at least 1 poison counter then proliferate a bunch. Though obviously you're the target of everyone unless someone else is pulling even scarier nonsense.
@@purpleslushie Thing about that is they see one single infect and you attack with it then you are enemy number one. So in order to win with infect you have to surprise infect such as Triumph of the Hordes which is pretty much how infect wins in commander through surprise so no one gangs up on someone
Yes, it is true that all three Titans have been defeated, but Emrakul yet lives, imprisoned within the Silver Moon of Innistrad similar to how the titans were imprisoned inside the Eye of Ugin on Zendikar. Also, Emrakul is so powerful with here telepathic abilities, that she was able to speak to and manipulate Nissa Revane on Amonkhet while imprisoned on Innistrad, halfway across the multiverse.
Honestly i wouldn't say imprisoned yet sleeping as she could honestly break out easily if she wanted
Aside from my Wall of Denials, my eldrazi singles are the only cards I'll never sell.
I love this!!!
I wonder what an interaction with a Phyrexian would have been.... or with a Sliver....
Are there any instances of something being corrupted by all three titans at the same time?
And still the most powerful of them can be defeated by 15 flying squirrels 🐿😅
Or a little snake with deadtouch
What if......the eldrazi are just pets to a much more powerful being that goes searching for them when they are destroyed?
i´m still not convinced by emrakuls power. i mean... 15 1/1 squirrels could beat the shid out of her.... so much for the flying spaghetti monster
I hope after the current Phyrexian story arc they bring back the Eldrazi.
Well they actually gone back and listed in the oracle text a lot of cards as Phyrexian and one of them being Selenia, Dark Angel while the card itself says Legendary Creature - Angel the updated oracle text says Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Angel. So if they bring back the Eldrazi it would be to kill New Phyrexia as somehow poster boy Jayce would try to communicate with Emrakul the last Eldrazi
Next set: phirexians against eldrazi
The organic matter sought after by Emrakul, the plane-warping effects of Kozikek and the ceaseless hunger of Ulamog find their strongest rivals in the Phyrexians. Heed my words Planeswalker, War is coming.
next video, a study in power, brushwags
Question : could the alliance aganst New Phyrexia used/instigated an Eldrazi to eat Mirrodin?
To be honest, I don't see the Eldrazi's role as "best suited" as simple consumers. I feel like it would be better to say that the Eldrazi only "appear" to consume the plane's mana because of how their reality-warping powers affect things. *What I see* is something more akin to returning to an original level of *Entropy.*
To me, magic color pie theory has always been sketchy or dodgy at best for what colorless should represent. Eldrazi give a better example into the relation of colorless mana to colored mana. It only takes a little bit of colored mana to truly dedicate a spell to a particular color (one pip minimum) so it's almost like adding ink to water. The water, in this case is colorless mana which would imply that colorless mana is the driving energetic source behind all mana. You can tap into wastes to obtain colorless mana, so mana still technically 'exists' it has simply be 'reverted.' In a way, colorless mana is thusly more akin to light and through a prism of the spellcaster (or the natural world) colored mana is produced. This is also why 5-Color and Colorless mana seem to play so very, very close to one another as once you send something back into defining it with quite literally _'everything'_ it also appears as to be _'nothing'._
This is why it looks like the Eldrazi are not 'consuming' so much as 'resetting.' I would see them as almost interdimensional wardens that may be attracted to the overabundance of conflicting colored mana and see it as possibly something detrimental to the existence of that plane amidst the Blind Eternities. They go in, bring everything back to Zero as ultimate agents of Entropy, then leave. After millions of years, the plane's colors begin to return at healthy, balanced and non-conflicting levels. Time obviously wouldn't be a concern to them. It would add a hell of a lot of extra context to know that planeswalkers and sorcerers doing their things might actually be something _damaging_ to the universe and each plane. After all, we as players tap and siphon mana out of how many lands and devices to drop unbelievable levels of power on each other's heads in context of the lore of the game...and planeswalkers of the past have arguably destroyed and reshaped entire planes permanently with their interactions. That kind of thing probably doesn't go unnoticed.
I would really love to see WotC expand on this concept but they appear creatively bankrupt and whipped from Hasbro so much that I doubt they will introduce more variation to colorless cards in the future...outside of the freaking artifact spam...
All I know is I'm beginning to truly empathize with Sliver players as an Eldrazi lover myself.
Finally ❤️
Ok
What if Emerkul corrupted a Sliver, and then that Sliver underwent Compleation. A Phyrexian Eldrazi Sliver
I swear if the titans were really killed by a dumb fireball.....
Imagine if the Eldrazi appeared in new phyrexia
Honeslty I love the Eldrazi, Kozilek being my personal favorite. I wish wizards didn't decide to kill them off however. I understand that they are a dauting enemy and almost unstoppable but I feel like the death of both Kozilek and Ulamog is boring and should have been stopped another way.
I feel like they aren't exactly dead from the way they are always described with the hand in the pool metaphor. Probably just badly injured
You could think of it as greater beings and their avatars.. and just the avatars have been beaten
How did i never see that Emrakul is a mushroom 🤔
I think you're misusing the word "moniker." It doesn't mean "nickname." It means "name one gives oneself." They didn't give themselves their names. They're not "monikers."
Emrakul will save the multiverse from the Phyrexians. This is why she went into the moon. To wait for Phyrexia. ;)
Norn can learn about Emrakul through Nahiri now. Phyrexia could use Nahiri to attempt to summon Emrakul to use her, study her, to pierce the secrets of the Blind Eternities.
So, who wins?
Elesh Norn or Emrakul?
Will Emrakul devastate Mirrodin?
Or will Norn vivisect Emrakul and discover how to ascend and become an Eldritch Horror of the Blind Eternities herself?
HELL YEAH !
Who would win, Eldrazi or Slivers?
Sad news emrakul maybe the only thing that can stop phyrexia domination and seeing the war between them will be epic af my guys and gals
Was that the tripod walker noise from the Tom Cruise 'War of the Worlds' at the beginning?
Gj ulamog himself ;)
There's the blind eternity and suffering
What would happen if phyraxians met the Eldrazi?
Imagine a "completed" Emrakul! The ultimate Pxyrexian God!
easy if all 3 Titans would invade New Phyraxia it would be consoumed without a doubt
Eldrazi phyrexians... the infection vs the corruptors
Do Slivers!!!
Already have a script in the works ;)
YAAAAAAAAAS
I would happen if eldrazi and phrexians joined together.
nice fucking jump scare a 9:28
So... the eldrazi will ultimately stop the phyrexians?
Great video. As (unsolicited, I know) feedback, I'd just tone down the editing a notch... Too much noise in the cards, pixelated transitions, glitches etc. Sometimes images look low-res because of these effects. See 13:59 for an example of how the background image stays low res for a while after the pixelated transition happens. At 12:56 Kozilek's Channeler never becomes fully rendered. My personal view as both a graphic designer and fan of magic art: Sometimes a simple, good high res image of the artwork / card with just a bit of movement or zoom is more than enough. :)
I, for one, think it’s all the same creature; just one. Each Titan, a major part of a body. Each brood, simply the rest of it. Like looking into the distortion of moving water, you have no idea what you see. And as a reality trying to comprehend what has entered, it’s equally confused from where.
I always thought the eldrazi were more of a natural disaster than predators because it seems as if they don’t really think or have personality. If you could give a hurricane life it would be emrakul. That’s how I see it. Otherwise why would such a creature exist. If the MCU had those maybe you wouldn’t need thanos to snap everyone away because the eldrazi are already eating the leftovers 😂
This is like #1400 and comment #140, NICE
So do you think an eldrazi could be perfected by the phyrexians
I don't think phryexians want the headache of trying to deal with the eldrazi
Would laugh if they said eldrazi make planes so they can harvest them
So the Eldrazi have purpose and can't be stopped forever nothing lasts forever nothing
As a fan of cosmic horror, the eldrazi fits right inn, and are one of my favorite mtg creatures. I do wish Wizards stayed away from gendering them, as that lessens their alien and unhuman feel. I understand the gamplay reason for giving them colored manacosts, but I'll still call it a flavour fail. As for witch I like the most, that is too hard a question. They all have aspects that are awsome. Don't really believe Ulamog or Kozilek are dead tho. Shure they got destroyed, bot as enteties not bound by the laws of the universe, that might not be as finale as one would think.
The three Eldrazi cant really die. They exist outside the planes and only aspect of themselfs enter planes. Thus Kozile and Ulamog will return. This is highlighted on the card as they cant stay in the graveyard as they always go right back into the libary
@@triradon6124 Oh my god I never made that connection!!! That is seriously a nice detail!
@@triradon6124 No? They died. Their true forms were dragged into Zendikar and in that brief moment they were slain.
They are my neighbors!
But it's always changing
Also known as "Lovecraftzis" 😄
wizards should kill emrakul and use her energy to resurrect all 3 titans
As a total newb to MTG- the Eldrazi are Magic's version od the Old Gods?
No, multiple planes have their own gods, and theros even has titans.. but the Eldrazi are something else. They aren't worshiped, they aren't feared(unless it's too late), they aren't even known. And as far as I am aware, nicol bolas didn't know about them either, and he has been nearly everywhere and seen nearly everything.
I guess IT spoilers?
Emrakul is a Material Gworl like It
it's me
“Each Eldrazi ancient spawned a lineage of horrors in unfathomable shapes”
So here are some shapes we fathomed for those. I hate when people do that
I'm rather conflicted about the Eldrazi, on one hand I'm a sucker for a cosmic horror stories where said cosmic horror can be beaten and the Gatewatch back when Gideon was alive was rather enjoyable IMO. On the other hand I find them simultaneously too weak and going down too quickly but also that their corruptive abilities too powerful. I really think angels and demons should be exempt or at the very least resistant.
Angels and demons in mtg are tied to their plane even more than elves though, it makes sense they'd be the first to get changed by changes to the plane.
@@TheMightyBattleSquid
While they are born from a plane's mana, they aren't always tied to it, a lot of demons after all can travel outside their home plane to make deals with mortals, its more that they're pure manifestations of mana which is the lore reason for it. However, while there is a lore reason for it, thematically it doesn't really fit. They are supposed to be higher beings as well (to the point where angels commonly are worshiped as godesses despite not being one) and irl a good case can be made that both count as eldritch abominations, especially with how actual angels are described in the Bible. Some of the fun of the Angels, Devils and Squid trope is lost when you can't have the first two interact with the Squid because they become mindless thralls.
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