DAEMONS ARE ONLY B TIER?!
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Today I talk about some of the struggles I have had with the new Daemons rules in Pariah Nexus. Its another update video to the last one, where I spoke about the new secondaries and how Daemons have some major flaws right now. I hope you all enjoy! Like, sub, and become a member!
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I just won a local tournament this past saturday with my Chaos Daemons List. There were about 30 people and multiple teams there so the scene is pretty well established with people driving about 2 hours to be there. I ran Shalaxi, Great Unclean One with Enhancement, Lord of Change with the enhancement, Changeling, Slaanesh soulgrinder, 30 pink horrors, 3x3 flamers, and 2x3 nurglings. I scored 282 points out of 300 in 3 games.
It was super fun. People fight the pink horrors and get stuck as they multiply and shalaxi is the scariest beast on the board, so they panic and try to kill her.
Wow that's epic! Nice list! I'm impressed you can squeeze so much in there despite shalaxi being a quarter of your army! Impressive wins and actually better than I have ever done so kudos! 😁
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficialthanks! Shalaxi also murdered the lion and farsight in 1v1 combat so I'm going to 3d print some trophies from them and put them on her base
"Thats right guys, B tier. But if you subsribe to our art of war 40k classes we'll show you how to make your army SS tier! Just give us $19.99 a month!" 😂
I'm totally okay with this, as long as I get 50% 😁
I mean if you want to learn from the best in the US it's not a bad value.
Go hire a pro to teach you how to up your tennis game. After 6 lessons you are still going to suck and you will be about $1500 poorer. 😅😅
@@fateweaver9844 they offer horrible advice and do nothing but pray on folk trying to break out into the comp scene by selling them the idea that theyll learn how to win.
@fateweaver9844 problem is, they're not faction specialists. Only good to maybe learn the basics. They chase the meta so it's always different armies. You're better off finding a youtube/team dedicated to the faction you play.
@@Swordsmansmith87 They are as qualified as anyone to rank armies based on the meta. They do play multiple armies and probably play more 40k in a week than most people do in a year. 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe they haven't been playing the same faction since RT but that doesn't mean they are less qualified than someone who has a 20% win rate with Daemons who has been playing since their release in 4th.
Winning majors requires knowing 40k in general and knowing the army as well. Obviously AoW know each faction better than most or the guys wouldn't have multiple titles.
Seems petty to downplay their opinions because they don't have 18 yrs experience with the Daemons. Lol
¡Hola, Jack! Gracias por este video, y creo que lo más importante es entender la forma en que analizas las listas. Y hablando de listas, me gustaría mostrarte las dos listas que hice para Nexo Paria con las miniaturas que tengo. Agradecería mucho tu opinión sobre ellas 😁
Convergencia Oscura (1995 points)
Chaos Daemons
Strike Force (2000 points)
Daemonic Incursion
CHARACTERS
Epidemius (80 points)
• 1x Balesword and Nurgling attendants
Great Unclean One (260 points)
• 1x Bileblade
1x Bilesword
1x Putrid vomit
• Enhancement: The Endless Gift
Lord of Change (285 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Bolt of Change
1x Staff of Tzeentch
• Enhancement: The Everstave
Rendmaster on Blood Throne (150 points)
• 1x Attendants’ hellblades
1x Blade of blood
Skarbrand (305 points)
• 1x Bellow of endless fury
1x Slaughter and Carnage
Skullmaster (100 points)
• 1x Blade of blood
1x Juggernaut’s bladed horn
Skulltaker (85 points)
• 1x The Slayer Sword
The Changeling (90 points)
• 1x Infernal Flames
1x The Trickster’s Staff
BATTLELINE
Bloodletters (120 points)
• 1x Bloodreaper
• 1x Hellblade
• 9x Bloodletter
• 1x Daemonic Icon
9x Hellblade
1x Instrument of Chaos
Nurglings (40 points)
• 3x Nurgling Swarm
• 3x Diseased claws and teeth
Plaguebearers (110 points)
• 1x Plagueridden
• 1x Plaguesword
• 9x Plaguebearer
• 1x Daemonic Icon
1x Instrument of Chaos
9x Plaguesword
OTHER DATASHEETS
Bloodcrushers (220 points)
• 1x Bloodhunter
• 1x Hellblade
1x Juggernaut’s bladed horn
• 5x Bloodcrusher
• 1x Daemonic Icon
5x Hellblade
1x Instrument of Chaos
5x Juggernaut’s bladed horn
Screamers (75 points)
• 3x Screamer
• 3x Lamprey bite
Screamers (75 points)
• 3x Screamer
• 3x Lamprey bite
¡Sin preocupaciones! Sé que amas al Señor del Cambio, pero personalmente lo eliminaría para obtener más unidades de "acción" y para limitar la cantidad de puntos que tu oponente puede recibir de "Bring it Down" y "Assassinate" (los pongo entre comillas). así que esperemos que se traduzcan bien). No creo que valga sus puntos.
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial Perfecto, voy a eliminarlo y buscar otras opciones 🔥
Something fun for us: epidemius (and festus) just got legended in age of sigmar. Hooray that I just bought the Epidemius kit, because that basically guarantees that once we have the daemons codex, he's toast. You taught me to love the little pestilent potato, now we need to learn to say goodbye.
- Just casually making videos about Warhammer -
Commenter: you taught me how to love the pestilent potato.
Me: 😲
Ha! Yea it is extremely sad because I spent countless hours painting mine... And of course now he is going away. Bloody ridiculous. Let's hope something gets his rules in the new book, like the scrivener.
Yeah, I cursed some bad words about Gladiators, Leman Russes and Wardogs only being 2-point BiD, while Skarbrand, Kaiross Rottigus and GuO - the Kartoffel (potato) as we call it in Germany - are 3 times the points. I tried it with 4 and I'm dropping at least one. On a sidenote, in a recent try I did bolster the nurgle part with a Nurgle Soulgrinder ... hear me out: Rottigus/GuO Shocking on 3" and the Soulgrinder tagging along with semi-good shooting BUT 6" charge flips relatively reliable a marker for just 2 points of dad BiD-Ass makes a huge difference. And the option to indirect fire is a nice kicker.
I didn't realize that you don't have to immediatly come down with Fateskimmer ... I guess I will try something there, too :)
Have a nice Tournament this weekend.
Cheers
Thanks mate! What a lovely comment from a lovely German! 😁 Hopefully my Kartoffel (s) are very lucky this weekend!
All hail the Kartoffel! 🥔 😂
Keep up the great work! Been thinking about a 2nd army and want Deamons to work (before buying and painting any models lol)!
Totally makes sense! Doing the research before you buy in for sure. They're very fun, but not amazing competitively right now.
I'd research your local meta. My local meta is a bunch of scrubs who bring mostly fun lists. Daemons have been A tier for me in the 6 games of Nexus I have played
For me I have found it's all about rendmaster stacking. If you have 2-3 that allows triple flesh hounds for actions but they're killy as well. Bloodcrusher bricks don't stall out and fail and just glide through enemy armies.
The greaters are great. But I had to cut down to 3 to stop the Bring it Down issues.
I don't see value in screamers or Kairos or flamers etc etc. Have a GUO fight for mid and have something like hounds screen out home. Your natural expansion objective seems to be given walls to chill behind.
I do utilise the walls really well yea. I'm not a big fan of more than one rendmaster mainly because I don't own more than one! 😅 But also because I feel like they are a bit expensive for 150 points and mine almost always gets his buff off where I need it most and then just sits in a corner for the rest of the game. Damage 3 is plenty enough.
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial No seriously though you need to run three. You only think they're weak because you haven't run them enough. Best unit in Daemons by a landslide.
Thanks for the lists Jack!
My pleasure my friend! Best of luck 😄
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial how good is lord of change with ehancement?
Honestly, I think for 285 points... Pretty terrible. I estimate that they're worth about 220 ish? So they're very overcosted right now in my opinion.
I have been having pretty good success with an almost mono Khorne list. GUO, Skarbrand and Bloodthirster. 3 units of bloodletters with skull taker and blood master and 1 rend master, 6 blood crushers and 2 units of 5 flesh hounds with some nurglings. Nurglings screen and move block, flesh hounds do missions and the 2 big reds move to mid board to provide deep strike for bloodletters and blood crushers if needed. Skarbrand and Bloodthirster are the LAST things in my army that engage, everything else clears screens and does the maximum damage possible. Some of my games 1 of the 2 big reds might not even see combat as their job is to buff and stay alive as long as possible. Bloodletter bomb with a hero and shrine buff will nuke anything in the game
Sounds really similar to my usual list just with a thirster instead of Rotigus! More Khorne focused. I dig it!
Kudos to the brutal honesty
I'm here to spit straight facts and that's that.
I've been having fun with 3 bloodthirstys, scarbrand, 2x3 seekers, 3x10 nurglings and 30 blue horrors to start on no mans and performing actions, I've been swapping around taking some flesh hounds and sloppity, or flamers, screamers, changeling, whatever mid trash you like to hold back field and uppy downy as needed to backfill... Typically running fixed behind lines and engage on all fronts unless they are just giving me something up obviously. Another version I've tried is cutting 2 thirsters and adding 2 skullkrusher bricks
That sounds hilarious! Honestly impressive you can fit all of this in one list really! You do give up a lot of points but at the same time you probably destroy stuff quite well!
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial if you go 4 Thirsty's they can't max either assassinate or bid, I'll try to keep 2 thirsters on the table til t4 slow drip style, when they kill one you ingress another in its place then whatever ya got left just dump it all out there for the final push, if the horror screen falls just go for the take home gambit and flood it with thirst (turn 1 keeping a lone thirster in the back behind ruins and he just sits there for a turn while you put opponent in seeker jail and crack off 3x terraform or your burn or whatever the primary is t1) then t2 you open up the blood taps a bit, by turn 4 with uppy downy and all your screen score the target saturtion costs my opponet the game usually have 2 thirsters+scar brand left bottom of 4)
It's not a bad strat at all! It's 18 and 16 which isn't max that's true but still a lot of points! But I respect it! Nice strategy for sure.
Love the chariot idea, I'm working on a chariot list to right now lol, also contains 8 Chariots. Decided to pass on the exalted tho, only battleshocks if it is the one to kill something, and you just killed one of the units that was within the 6 in. Decided to go 3 and 3 hellflayers and seeker.
I love hellflayers! They're awesome! Figured that forcing some battleshocks would be really crucial for some of your units. Like if you fight first with the exalted and it forces a shock test then you can use Draught of Terror for +1 ap and reroll wounds on the fiends too! Nuts.
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial I'm definitely nowhere near your experience with list building, just out of curiosity what are your thoughts on running skullcannons for the battleshocks? Since you only need to hit with the cannon and not kill I figured they would shock more efficiently.
Also you know who is gonna be shocked before you charge, and that are Chariots to! Guess my list has 10 chariots
I love skull cannons! They are really good! But I only own the one, and to be honest I think one is all you need. I keep mine very safe in back field and when all their deep strikes have come down and my home is safely stickied from plaguebearers at the beginning of the game I normally teleport the cannon into better firing lines and do actions with him 😁 For 95 points it's a great statline, but it has almost no damage. It's just useful for the shock test which is really clutch in some games.
I've only recently started playing, and currently working towards a tripple lord of change list, 2x6 screamers with fatemasters, 3 x 3 flamers for objective play 2x10 pinks to sit on objectives, and 2x3 nurglings for screens and a changeling.
The downside is still 6 characters but none of the demons are 20 wounds and there are only 3 of them. So i hope I can kinda bait them to go for fixed and then go all in, since u can only score assasinate once per turn.
That's a nice list! 😁 Hopefully it does super well for you because sadly the Lord's don't have amazing output for their price at the moment. Just as a heads up though, if they do take fixed. They can score bring it down and assassinate at any time. The only cap is 20 each. If you throw all 3 lords into them they can have 12 for BIT and 12 for ASS in one turn no problems!
Esta segunda lista la hice minimizando al maximo los grandes demonios, así que cambio al Lord of Change por Syll'Esske con Daemonettes y un Skull Cannon.
Convergencia oscura (Syll'Esske) (1985 points)
Chaos Daemons
Strike Force (2000 points)
Daemonic Incursion
CHARACTERS
Epidemius (80 points)
• 1x Balesword and Nurgling attendants
Great Unclean One (260 points)
• 1x Bilesword
1x Plague flail
1x Putrid vomit
• Enhancement: The Endless Gift
Rendmaster on Blood Throne (150 points)
• 1x Attendants’ hellblades
1x Blade of blood
Skarbrand (305 points)
• 1x Bellow of endless fury
1x Slaughter and Carnage
Skullmaster (100 points)
• 1x Blade of blood
1x Juggernaut’s bladed horn
Skulltaker (85 points)
• 1x The Slayer Sword
Syll’Esske (120 points)
• 1x Axe of Dominion
1x Cacophonic choir
1x Scourging whip
The Changeling (90 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Infernal Flames
1x The Trickster’s Staff
BATTLELINE
Bloodletters (120 points)
• 1x Bloodreaper
• 1x Hellblade
• 9x Bloodletter
• 1x Daemonic Icon
9x Hellblade
1x Instrument of Chaos
Daemonettes (100 points)
• 1x Alluress
• 1x Slashing claws
• 9x Daemonette
• 1x Daemonic Icon
1x Instrument of Chaos
9x Slashing claws
Plaguebearers (110 points)
• 1x Plagueridden
• 1x Plaguesword
• 9x Plaguebearer
• 1x Daemonic Icon
1x Instrument of Chaos
9x Plaguesword
OTHER DATASHEETS
Bloodcrushers (220 points)
• 1x Bloodhunter
• 1x Hellblade
1x Juggernaut’s bladed horn
• 5x Bloodcrusher
• 1x Daemonic Icon
5x Hellblade
1x Instrument of Chaos
5x Juggernaut’s bladed horn
Screamers (75 points)
• 3x Screamer
• 3x Lamprey bite
Screamers (75 points)
• 3x Screamer
• 3x Lamprey bite
Skull Cannon (95 points)
• 1x Attendants’ hellblades
1x Biting maw
1x Skull cannon
Pdta: Dos mensajes para darle gusto al Dios Máquina de CZcams 😜
Bueno, mi traductora de español Adela está de vacaciones, así que tendré que confiar en el traductor de Google para que me ayude, ¡lo siento! ¡Por eso hace tiempo que no respondo! ¡Pero aquí vienen un montón de respuestas de una sola vez! ¡Esta lista es realmente buena! Me encanta mucho, creo que prefiero una unidad de Screamers con el Destinyskimmer en lugar de Syl'eske en este momento, ¡pero ambos son muy buenos!
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial ¡Muchas gracias por tu respuesta! Voy a incluir al fateskimmer con los Screamers en lugar de Syll'Esske. El traductor de Google lo hizo perfecto.
Los mejores deseos para el canal 😁
Do you have any tips for a pure khorne army in the new dataslate?😊 love the content!
Cheers Alias! 😁 I think at the moment, I would go double rendmaster, Skarbrand, a single thirster, double skull cannons and then as many bloodletters/crushers as you can muster. Perhaps some flesh hounds for actions. Also definitely auto include skulltaker, he is fantastic!
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial 10 man flesh hound units are also very fast and killy if you go hard on rendies and low GDs (to not go too hard on ass/bid). 5 mans are great screeners, action monkeys etc though! Can kill some chaff without buff.
Winning or losing doesn’t matter when your army looks this beautiful on the table! That green and red just looks amazing!
Oh thank you so much my friend that's super kind! 😁 That's the back up plan! If you don't win then you win best painted right? 😅
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial yes! Best kind of plan! We got this 👏😂
2 GuOs, one with Gift, Rotigus, all 3 daemons lone ops, epidemius plus 10 plaguebearers, 2x3 screamers and 1x6 screamers, 2x3 Nurglini and 1x6 Nurglini, , 2x3 plague drones, 1 unit of pink horrors.
Loving your Slaanesh chariot list
That's a wacky idea you have there yourself as well for sure! Nice! 😁
I'd be interested to see if anybody has tried a chariot list. I currently own six chariots but I've never tried using them with terrain in movement if it's going to be too hard to move them around since they're so wide
I suppose it depends on the terrain you play on. The GW stuff is quite forgiving because a lot of it is less than 2" in height so you can move quite freely
I have been playing a few various lists, the one I like the most is just going 7 greater daemons, sure you give up assassinate and bring it down, but my finding is that not much can actually deal with 7 greater daemons with one of them being Kairos denying strats very early on.
I think that's very true for most players! But when you get to the top tables they will absolutely know exactly how much damage it takes to kill them to the wound, and screen the rest until later turns, then you have nothing to play the game while they just hold you in place and win on points.
I recently dropped my fourth greater daemon for a Soulgrinder + cheap stuff in all of my lists.
A very wise choice! I have done the same and I think it worked a treat. Max 3!
Going "mono" Khorne with maxed Bloodcrushers seems tempting. Maybe with one BT for some potential deep strike shenanigans.
Sure, big units of Bloodcrushers can be awkward but these kind of lists were doing well before the update and there should be no super easy targets for Bring it Down and Assassinate.
Something a long the lines of -> BT, Throne, 3x Skullmaster, 3x6 Bloodcrushers, 3x Skull Cannons, 3x Flesh Hounds with some flex points at the end for a unit of Flamers or Seekers.
The only problem with it I found is screens, as there is very little to no shooting and holding power is quite low in the midboard if the enemy has a way to deal a lot of damage really fast. Definitely not bad! But very different match ups 😁
OMG, this video is such a relief, I thought I was going crazy. I am playing a game against Tyranids today and they have six monsters that are all sub 200 points, some of them being sub 150, and I'm sitting here with profiles that are that not much better but are 100 points more each. So many mounted units with giant bases that get completely screwed by terrain, so many characters+monster options that you feel you have to run because nothing else has S10 or more that give Bring it Down for free. No real access to re-roll charges or advance and charge besides stratagems with very few ways to consistently generate command points compared to something like Marneus, Azrael or The Swarmlord. I fail a charge roll, that unit does 0% of the damage. I can't pivot into more shooting because it's either anti-chaff or anti-tank, there's no inbetween amd it's all overcosted. I don't really feel like I've misplayed but I always try to blame myself before I blame the faction for why I'm losing but it's just rough.
It feels like our points are way too steep simply to prevent other factions abusing our units. Although I'm not sure, this is the same index that has an ability that gives Anti-Infantry 4+ in the charge phase... until the end of the phase. I think they just don't care. Here's hoping the codex fixes it but I'm not very confident in that, assuming we even get it in a timely manner before the edition ends in two years.
You're not alone my friend! You know what really sucks... Apparently there might not be a daemons codex? They might be doing daemons like they do in Sigmar where they split each of the gods into the csm books. Like Nurgle with death guard! That would destroy our army forever... So I really hope not 😅
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial if that turns out to be true then it will be a very sad day.
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial
That rumour has been around since forever (6th edition?).
While it cannot be ruled out and we know, a) that GW hates people using models in multiple systems without buying extra b) this might be the first edition were we have all god specific legions as codex and c) there is precedent in AoS, plus some legion roster seem rather bare boned, there are some oddities that make it a bit less likely imo.
For example, shouldn't Be'Lakor be part of CSM already?
God specific armybooks in AoS are internally autonomous, meaning, while they share some basic rules for that god, mortals and daemons are on equal ground in terms of list building. You can got full mortals, full daemons or mix and match. Blades of Khorne, Maggotkin of Nurgle (damn those names are dope) are lore-wise not actual factions that exist while WE, DG etc. clearly point to mortals. It Would be a bit odd playing pure Khorne daemons inside a legion dex.
While GW could rename the codices or make daemons completely reliant on the corresponding legion, that would make a lot of people very unhappy and the daemon rosters seems way to big to be just "additional" units.
I guess we'll know when the first 10th legion dex will hit.
Well they have done it in 40k before with Khorne in the past! But it would be weird as I am not sure what they would do with Belakor in particular?
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial I think the fact that they did Khorne Daemonkin and then never did it again probably supports the argument they won't do it - they had the chance to do it in 8th and 9th with any of the TS/DG & finally WE codexes.
Hi guys, i was wondering why screamers have an oval base? They must have a 32mm round base i guess
You are totally right! Sorry I didn't specify in the video. I made my special, so they are not on the right base because I believe it looks better and the local TO's allow me to get away with it because they really should be on this size anyway. GW has just been too slow in updating it. The flying stands constantly break and fall over so I made my own on better bases 😁
Played with a close variation to your list from a few days back, sans skullcannon. Bloodletters overkilled a thing a died.
Given the emphasis on durable units, what about:
Rotigus
GUO w/ gift
GUO
GUO
Skarbrand
Bloodthirster w/ Axe
Epi w/ plagurbearers
Nurglings
Screamers
Plague Drones.
Thought is to use the extra GUO's for behind/new homers as fixed if possible. Not a super killy list but should survive to keep playing the mission. Hoping to pickup and redeploy monsters that get close to dying.
Also, 6 monsters...super cool, right? My games will get done fast and will retain mental energy over a RTT/GT
I mean your games will be over super duper fast! But I think maybe just for you 😅 Everyone will just kill a GUO a turn for 10 points. Out oc you and voila you've lost. 20 wounds is just such a bad break point for monsters that are also characters!
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial played that against Montka Tau with breacherfish, 2 ghost keel, 2 skyrays, etc. Bloodthirster died relatively early, and 2 GUO followed. Lost by 9pts. Issue on my side was not enough action monkey units for secondaries. Sadly, quad-chongus will be relegated to fun basement games. :(
have you tried belakor, i know hes still a bit pricy tho.
I am building up a daemon army myself. i wanna try this guy out.
Maybe the loneop aura will help keeping the big boys alive or atleast safe for the first 2 rounds :)
Belakor not worth it. He's about 50 pts too much. Maybe 40
I second this! Though fateweaver is off by a little bit. Honestly Belakor is hot garbage right now and could easily come down 75 points minimum. 250 is a lot to pay for him when I can have Rotigus at 230. Beautiful model! But his rules are terrible!
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial There was a big GT in Germany this Weekend and one guy with Belakor, Kairos, LoC and KoS won :)
Maybe you are too fast on giving up on him ;)
That's crazy! That guy must have had a very easy run against people, or he is a god because Kairos, the LoC and Belakor are all very overcosted.
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I'm 3-0 right now in pariah nexus deamons. I'm running very close to what you're building with the khorne and nurgle core. I'm not taking any scoring units and instead running strictly fixed, granted my oppoments were imperial knights, black templar iron storm and montka tau which all brought lots of characters and vehicles. 96-34 against t'au whose list didn't give up assassinate but i was able to score big with engage on all fronts and bid. I'm running 2 plaguebearer units that with the auras from the guo and rotigus have been able to sticky objectives and sway the front line away from the khorne alpha/delta strikes.
how do you beat montka tau? just played them and got slaughtered. The lethal hits are crazy
@BigMan-cp4pi it could definitely be that I got lucky. We were playing rapid escalation so I started with skarbrand on the board. Popped advance and charge, t1 made charges with him and bloodletters that dropped in next to him.
Honestly the Mont'ka match up might be unwinnable for daemons if the Tau player really knows what he is doing. I played it live on stream the other day against Cooper! Who was the number one Tau player in OCE last year and it definitely felt unwinnable. Lethal hits are savage for Daemons to deal with because it bypasses their biggest defense, toughness.
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial yeah i saw that stream. Defo feels like its not winnable unless dice go our way. Although a friend of mine who is a better daemon player than me says he has success with 2x3 fiends in that matchup.
One goes and harrasses the tau safe objective T1, which they have likely scouted a devilfish and dropped some breachers/strike team or infiltrated. fiends just go through walls and clear them out.
Then the other 1x3 fiends provides OC for his GuO to ensure that his safe objectives gets scored T1.
Honestly for 105 points fiends aren't too terrible anymore! I wish I had more than 3...
What’s your thoughts on (if the “rumours” are true) the Demons codex is being merged with the other Chaos factions? World eaters, Thousands sons and Death guard etc…
We were just talking about that on another comment! 😲 I think it's ridiculous and would totally destroy our army completely. Though, firstly I am not so certain they would, because what happens to Belakor? He just goes into the normal csm codex and you can ally him with other armies specifically? Seems weird to me, and someone else made a great point that when they made khorne daemon kin, in the past which was a book with world eaters and Khorne daemons, it did terribly! So please gw don't do it because people will boycott! 😅
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial I agree. I’m not sure what will happen. I’m a Thousand sons player so I also want some sort of mechanism that’s suited for me. But I’m not sure how that will look.
I sometimes feel like the GW board room has a big wheel on the wall and they just spin to see what they are doing next. 😂
@SouthWestBadger mate its way less low tech than a wheel! It's probably papers with scribbles on them and they just throw a dart 🎯 😅
I reckon that death guard player and his friend are just beasts at the game 🧐
Ha! They certainly are 😁
I've been on a winning streak with my battle shock daemons. The extra mortal wounds are hilarious. Taking away their stratagems and oc... Hilarious
Nice!! Things like skull cannons, change casters, bloodcrushers, bilepipers etc! I did try it a few times but everyone kept passing their tests and I gave up a little bit! 😅
I've thought about running this, but what puts me off is that none of the battleshock forcing stuff can actually deny actions, or deny primary points (because you only need to not be battle-shocked when you start an action, and for primary, the battleshock wears off in their command phase before they scored primary).
It's basically just to deal mortal wounds and deny stratagems, which isn't nothing, just feels a bit meh.
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial I run a poxbringer and a blue horrors squad. They make them up to minus 3 leadership in the shadow, capping out at 9 leadership, now.
The mortal wounds are awesome. I battle shocked a guy at the last tournament so many times that he still had 7 command points left at the end of the game because he couldn't use any stratagems.
@@BenNewcomb Hadn't looked at Blue Horrors in so long I'd forgotten that they did that. I'd be interested to see your list. Do you put Changecaster with the Blue Horrors too? Not sure if that'd be worth it but seems interesting.
I think you might be playing too aggressive with your big boys. Im currently playing comp demons for tournies and have found a list i really enjoy. But needs more testing
I am a very optimistic player that is very true! I go for big plays a lot more than others and often they don't pay off, but I am very very careful with where I place them, thinking about next turns before they come when I place them down, but it really feels like we cannot play the game without giving up max points!
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial the way i play demons is very khorne heavy all-in. If all charges go off, you win, if not you lose. I think demons are fragile and need to hit like half the opponents army before they can retaliate and then they dont have enough guns… 4+ saves are very swingy
They are indeed the king of swing. But I've found that when you put all your eggs in the one basket with Khorne, if you fail some charge rolls you just lose. It's making a swingy army more swingy! So I like the Nurgle half 😁
Are seekers worth anything?
I don't think so. I tested them a handful of times, and for 80 points they hardly blocked anything. They got overwatched a lot and hardly scored me any points... 😅
@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial then got me thinking to they can not go though walls either.
Nope. You're better off just taking fiends for 105. Screamers are 75. Even hounds at 70. Or 3 Nurglings to stop scout moves for 40. Better choices all round!
B TIER?!?!?!?!?!
Only B?!?!? I agree! 👍 😁
B tier?!? Heck no, we're right up there with the best 😜 Now, especially for players new to Daemons we can be a little tricky to get the hang of but once you learn all the strats / how to run them they're BRUTAL on the tabletop.
Love your channel man, keep the hits coming! We need more Daemon content
Hey hey thanks FatArchon! Your latest vids have been crushing it too! Thanks for passing by! 😁
my issue with AoW is they give really biased rankings based purely off what they actually own and have played with. they dont do much exploration with list building and tend to only offer advice / focus on the most "meta" units/armies.
That's very fair. Though I don't think its entirely fair for me to fire back at them about any other list other than daemons. As a faction specialist I know a lot about daemons but not much of anything else, and they play a lot of armies. So they're probably just doing the best job they can.