Exactly the point. Chasing after Micah and not letting go of the past instead of moving forward like Arthur asked is what lead to the authorities managing to track him down again. He tried to let go but this single act of not doing so led to awful consequences and a repetition of history
I guess rockstar managed it so that for the storyline it has to make sence why john in rdr1 never talk about him. But john said once he thinks lot of on the old times and arthur. And u can hear some things what arthur said as johns thoughts when u visit old campspots This game is still insane after 1500 hrs almost all in sp
after this if you greet Abigail, John asks her why she said that, and he said he likes talking about him, but that there's just not much to say. and if you follow Jack and greet him after it, John will say "you know, I saved us too."
More like Abigail doesn't want to talk about the gang, and including Arthur. The tone she said "Aint that right" is a code how a wife tell her husband that she doesnt want to hear about this. She's the kind of person who forget the past by pretending that it didn't really happen.
I think it‘s one of many choices they intentionally picked to create that image of John, in which he‘s not really meant to be very confident when it comes to communicating about or with people he has a close relationship with. Besides, in contrast to all the other people Arthur saved, when John talks about Arthur saving him, he’s also talking about his old criminal identity which he likes to leave behind and actually would even be dangerous to talk about too publicly, so yeah… kinda understand this directors choice.
Nah that's sinful 6 playthroughs... that's like 300 hours with all the side quests... you should really do something more productive with those hours man, I love red dead, but twice or 3 times is max for me
@@nalletraktorn I played rdr 1 and 2, and it would be amazing to have rdr 2 with rdr 1 mechanic, like cheating at the poker, fame, patroling at nights, random duels, and exploring mexico with improved graphics.
I feel it’s because Arthur was a conflicted person morally and in other ways he was also a very very funny character and as time went on we watched him change and he dose better himself as he started dieing of TB it’s a very dynamic character and how you play influence a lot of things in very small details in a cutscene or aurther journal(his journal also made him more human) and then you have the tech aspect so yeah
I think it’s because the first one came out in 2004 so a lot of people didn’t play the first one. Many along with me were introduced through this game.
I remember when RDR2 first came out no one knew who Arthur was and everyone wanted to play John. Then you learn John’s back story and the love for Arthur grew more than the love for John.
I remember I was salty and then as the game was coming to a close I started doing all the side missions just to prolong Arthur's life 😭. Arthur is man John strives so hard to be.
I remembered on the mission where Arthur gets taken away by the O’driscols. My first thought was why kill him?! If they ever do a third game, it’ll be in a long time from now. I hope they do though. Another prequel.
I think it's to make sense of John not ever mentioning Arthur in first game when killing the gang members even though it seems like he was such a crucial reason for revenge etc
@@Matthewgaming20even more tragic when it turns out dutch was planning to kill Micah off in the first place. If john and saddie stayed, micah would be dead and they would have been in more peace.
I cried tears of pride when Arthur left everything to help John. I had rage in my eyes when I tried to kill the rat that ruined our live. I cried tears of sorrow when Arthur perished. It may have been 5 years late but I’ve finally seen the end of Arthur Morgan’s story and it was beautiful.
@Samarth Shukla Abigail was the gangs whore for a while till her a John fell in love and had jack. Although there are theories that jack might actually be Dutch or Josea's kid.
@@samarthshukla9869 it's a reference to the first game when John was hunting the Bigfoot, then when you find Bigfoot you accuse him of eating babies. And Bigfoot says we eat berries you fool or something along those lines.
Come up with your own comment man, damn. I'll never understand why people feel the need to copy what someone else said. I just refuse to believe that someone is THAT desperate for internet points... Fucking sad. Really sad.
@@Nevergoingtogiveyouup2030 If you don’t finish all the side missions before the epilogue and you go back to them as John, he’ll tell the person that he knew Arthur. Not really much reaction from them, they’ll just be like “oh okay, anyway can you help me with this”
Its sad how if you get 100% completion there's a cutscene of John visiting Arthur's grave, he'll close the journal in front of Arthur's grave and say "looks like we're done here old friend" (or smth like that) and you'll hear the music from Arthur's death scene. John celebrates his victory by closing the to-do list alongside the person who gave him the chance to complete that list
I wish john wouldve put arthurs hat on the grave stone and laid the journal at the base of it, perfect explanation of why he doesent have them in the 1st game
“The past is gone, we left that behind.” Also John hearing voices of the camp followers and full on conversations whenever he is in the abandoned camp sites from the Van Der Linde gang.
I came out of RDR2 liking John *less*. Arthur gave his life for John and his family to leave the country and the outlaw life behind, and only 8 years later, John's back in America doing outlaw shit again. And, shocker, it ends up getting him and Abigail killed. If he just listened to Arthur and stayed long gone, they'd probably be happy. And Jack would still have parents.
Everything about this little scene is perfect, the way jack suddenly said his name, waited seconds to continue and abigail's reply as she acknowledges that arthur indeed saved them and lastly the way she passed the conversation to john, and how he replied rather cold but inside you know arthur was the world to him, his half brother.
True when I first played rdr I assumed John was in a small group, with Dutch, Javier, and Bill, but when rdr2 came out i was surprised to see more than just four members of a gang
I've had the same issue and I finally played through it for the first time last week, Arthur's death wasn't right imo, but the horses death, was just plain bullshit. Should have had John keep your horse for the epilogue to give you a real connection to Arthur.
@@thyst8004exactly these little kids make me cringe there mad emotional and won’t even continue the game bc of it like without john and his game being so successful there wouldn’t BE no Arthur roger the actor for Arthur even calls john the legend.
I remember when people were upset they wouldn’t play as John in the 2nd game but rockstar knew better and made the better choice by far as letting us play Arthur Morgan who I think is the best rockstar character ever by far
Yes i remember i played the game completely opposite on the second time round (low honor) but on the last arthur mission i still sided with helping john i couldnt bring myself to grab money lol
I’ve never cried over a game or game character before, but here I am. Sobbing. Crying. This game, I became emotionally attached to this game. We all miss Arthur.
Am I the only one who didnt end up like that? It might have something to do with the fact that I was spoiled to that Arthur was gonna die before even starting to play the game
@@Gravity_304 I was really sad that he died but i would have probably been more sad if i didnt get spoiled the things about rdr2. I knew that micah is the bad guy and that arthur dies before i even started
Nah, wasn't working on rdr2 yet but had it in planning but still decided who was going to be the main character. That's why he never mentions him in rdr1. So stop pulling fake stories that rockstar didn't even knew.
@@hyek2.0 rockstar still had the idea of john having a very close friend that was like a brother to him while rdr1 was in development, while they didnt know who it was they still had the idea of it, just because they didnt know the name of the character doesnt mean theres no way to mention him, they couldve done something like god of war where kratos refers to atreus as “boy” because they hadnt made a name for atreus yet
@@hyek2.0 that's the most unfun, boring and utterly shitty way to view the story. You may as well say that the prequel never existed, and then we're right back at square one with giving RDR1 context. Example: Dutch in rdr1 repeating the same speech he did in rdr2 has so much weight and implications about his regret and guilt over what happened with the gang, the speech was given extra context while still making complete sense for his character. If you're going to remove every instance of rdr2 adding extra context to rdr1 that wasn't accounted for in 2010, it'd be a really really (good game but a) shitty prequel that would add very little to the original game If you went and said "John didn't learn to run and not look back from Arthur, his life wasn't saved by the guy who Dutch betrayed and he didn't learn to love and embrace his family over time", you have literally done NOTHING in the prequel to explain ANY of the characters or their motivations and traits, at that point it's barely even a prequel aside from it sort of connecting to the first game, and the first game stays entirely the same
I remember being apprehensive about playing as Arthur in rdr2 when it first came out, but after 2 minutes I was in love with him. Absolutely phenomenal writing for this game
He didn't. But Arthur didn't sit around and pout. He didn't whine or give up. Arthur knew this was unfair, and despite all the unfairness and cruelty of the world Arthur rose above it all and chose to do something good anyway, with the time he had left. In this, we should all aspire to be like Arthur 🫡 (no I'm not crying as I write this)
I love how they created a game where most of the characters in the game loved Arthur as much as we do. He was more than just someone who saved them once; he was so much more.
In one of the encounters, the civil war man, Mickey, openly confessed that he never served in the army and that he found that uniform and just wears it to trick people.
i absolutely love it how john still follows what arthur told him to do years ago, to run and don’t look back. he never talks about arthur because arthur told him to not look back and to keep moving forward. absolutely amazing. edit: i apologize for saying it twice, i was really high when i originally made the comment but i think it’s to funny to change 😂
John going after Micha was the precise paradox about "not looking back." John tracks Micha down, kills him, Ross finds Micha's dead body and then finds John's homestead, leading to the events of the first game. If John actually listened to Arthur, he would of been just fine.
John says “you’re my brother Arthur” when Arthur tells john to leave and live a good life. John, Arthur and Hosea were like two brothers and a loving father. So was dutch until he was corrupted by Micah.
This game teaches you many things about life honestly. If you sit back and think on a lot of it. It’s a masterpiece. I’ve been obsessed over it the last couple days. I somehow am just now getting myself to play the story of the second game. Finished the epilogue last night and since, I have been watching videos on the first games story since I forgot much of it since I last played. And man. It’s so much to take in. I forgot the key roles the gang members played in the first game. Hunting Dutch. Javier. Bill. Seeing uncle die. It makes everything make so much sense. And it really changes how you see John. I always saw him as THE big badass of the gang. But you see in rdr2 he was the “little brother” in a sense. He always had dutch and Arthur and everyone else to protect, teach, and save him when need saving as dutch and Arthur would say haha. And then seeing Arthur’s death, change him into a combination of what he once was, with his new self. It really shows you how he got to where he is. I really wish they’d make a story dlc for Sadie and Charles tho. Even tho we know they likely moved on with there lives and did what they planned in the mission killing Micah. I have so many yet so little words. I play on PC, so for my second play through I have decided to download some quality of life mods to make the game even more of an experience! And last but not least. Lenny.😪 it made me cry. Happened so fast and has no time to say goodbye😢 probably one of my favorite characters in rdr2. Wish he had gotten more time or had been part of the first game😔
Arthur is one of the only people that Jack talks about (and therefore we can presume hes one of the only people he remembers). Arthur treated Jack so well. And Jack remembers that. He mentions Arthur a few times during the epilogue, but nobody else. Just to add to everyones heartbreak :)
Arthur has such a great story, its so good, and it leads to another story that has great potential, John Marston having the fallen hero story. if the first game were scripted a bit differently, it would be perfect
There a time when you go to the camp, Arthur tell Abigail to “be careful” and Abigail says “I don’t have to be careful when I have a friend like you to protect me”😢 sad he died but atleast he kept that close to his heart.
I cried so much when he died that I honestly became just a little depressed, this game is so amazing and the emotions you experience playing it is just amazing
I remember finishing the game and sitting down in the shower absolutely distraught. Like “wtf did I just witness did that actually happen??”(I got the low honor ending) It’s kinda embarrassing but I was actually depressed about it for a few days
First thing I thought of when he mentioned King Arthur and such. John even said he liked the names that they had in those books, and I think it’s because Arthur was the king
@@phormioofathens4774 I remember that Jack Marston later was nicknamed Lancelot. But Lancelot was pure of heart. In RDR1 at the end of rdr1 jack becomes evil and opposite of Lancelot
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I wouldn't say evil more vengeful and ready to kill Ross and after it he probably just went back to the Beecher's Hope and probably settled down and lived a family life or alone.
John started working with Milton The guy who corrupted the gang sending Mika back to spur Dutch on with the bandit work Just cuz we play as the character, dosent mean they are the "pure" good guy.
@@donovanulrich348 I don’t think anyone was under the illusion that Arthur or John or even Jack would be truly called “a good guy” but they are “the good guy”
Seriously red dead 2 is the only game ever to have made me cry after the ending I had a mental breakdown and had to stop playing games all together for a few days
i had to do the same thing. it felt like i had actually experienced the loss of soemone i knew and loved. crazy i may be but i cant help how i feel lol
Did you know the voice actor for Dutch was tracked with a full suit and when Dutch turned around that cliff the voice actor actually cried because of how sad it was
I think the thing that hurts the most about RD2 is that we’ll never get to play such an amazing character like Arthur again. At least with John we got to see/play him again in RD2. I highly doubt Rockstar will ever bring Arthur back, and by the time they decide to make another game it will most likely have different characters/main character. Arthur really is one of the greatest video game characters of all time.
Same. I was suffering great depression and was in desperation to find anything worthy to live for until I got it, it definitely distracted me from my previous bitch of a circumstances.
@@danielcoelho3477 I watched my big brother play it through on the PS3 a while ago so I don't really remember a whole lot from it,but I'm definitely gonna replay it when I get a PC because I'm not paying 50$ to play it on the ps5
And it's even more beautiful when you realiser that Arthur is that he wanted his grave facing the sunset and Charles accomplished that by putting his grave I'm the top of a mountain facing the sunset.
People feel more attached to Arthur because we can control his choices, read his journal and see a life he could’ve had with Mary. His illness gives him clarity and and allows him to see his life more clearly. You become Arthur. Watching a man with little time left trying to right his wrongs and save as many as he can.
I choke sobbed, on the floor, screaming, crying, when Arthur died. he was the best video game character in history. whenever I see edits like this, I start crying.
Грустно понимать что Джек довольно плохо помнит Артура, а ведь Артур знал Джека когда тот был ещё маленьким, они вместе ходили на рыбалку, катались на лошадях. Мне действительно грустно осознавать то, что Джек плохо помнит Артура.
I know this is 7 months late but if you talk to Abigail after her conversation with Jack, John actually asks her why she told Jack that he didn't like talking about Arthur much in which case he was fine talking about him but didn't have much that he really had to say, other than how he saved him in the end.
Whether John does or doesn't like to talk about Arthur, he still remembers him, and that's all that matters. As long as he's still remembered or talked about, he will always be alive.
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John: "the past is gone... We left that behind"
John: *goes after Micah*
Exactly the point. Chasing after Micah and not letting go of the past instead of moving forward like Arthur asked is what lead to the authorities managing to track him down again. He tried to let go but this single act of not doing so led to awful consequences and a repetition of history
Thats different lol
I guess rockstar managed it so that for the storyline it has to make sence why john in rdr1 never talk about him.
But john said once he thinks lot of on the old times and arthur. And u can hear some things what arthur said as johns thoughts when u visit old campspots
This game is still insane after 1500 hrs almost all in sp
@@tenjenkJohn was forced to go after his old brother in arms
@@michaelterkildsen7964 oh that’s different
You can tell that John missed Arthur, but didn't want to think about him, as it would've made him sad.
after this if you greet Abigail, John asks her why she said that, and he said he likes talking about him, but that there's just not much to say.
and if you follow Jack and greet him after it, John will say "you know, I saved us too."
@@dalton5903 thanks for the addition. Never ssen that part before yet.
Arthur said "don't look back when i'm gone" to him. At first he didn't then in the first game he looked back and got his revenge.
It's real life too, people rarely talk about dead people, because life goes on.
More like Abigail doesn't want to talk about the gang, and including Arthur. The tone she said "Aint that right" is a code how a wife tell her husband that she doesnt want to hear about this.
She's the kind of person who forget the past by pretending that it didn't really happen.
"He doesn't like talking about that"
John with every character he encounters: "Arthur saved me you know"
Its like saying a close family member or friend did something cool
You say it, and sometimes thats all you wanted to mention. The positive memory
I think it‘s one of many choices they intentionally picked to create that image of John, in which he‘s not really meant to be very confident when it comes to communicating about or with people he has a close relationship with. Besides, in contrast to all the other people Arthur saved, when John talks about Arthur saving him, he’s also talking about his old criminal identity which he likes to leave behind and actually would even be dangerous to talk about too publicly, so yeah… kinda understand this directors choice.
joke cops, you guys don't have to explain everything you see
I mean they had to do that cause in the first game nothing is said about arthur
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I play rdr2 6 times and I still cry when Arthur says “I give all I have “
I'm on my 3rd. I can play this game forever and never get tired of it.
And I'm still finding new things each time.
I gave you all i had 😢😊
Nah that's sinful 6 playthroughs... that's like 300 hours with all the side quests... you should really do something more productive with those hours man, I love red dead, but twice or 3 times is max for me
I think I have also played thru 6 times, but I cry on the final ride song. Every time.
Arthur even wrote protect jack and Abigail in his journal....
Wait really?
@@Webpirat2604 yes
He also visits him in the 100% completion ending
@@shadyshadow_inc visits who?
@@phillybubyyy210 John visits Aurther. You can even find his grave but i dont remember where.
Its amazing how people loved arthur more than the main character from the first game.
most people didnt play the first one, although i always liked it more
@@deadprank243 for sure, a lot of people seemingly haven’t play the masterpiece that rdr is
@@nalletraktorn I played rdr 1 and 2, and it would be amazing to have rdr 2 with rdr 1 mechanic, like cheating at the poker, fame, patroling at nights, random duels, and exploring mexico with improved graphics.
I feel it’s because Arthur was a conflicted person morally and in other ways he was also a very very funny character and as time went on we watched him change and he dose better himself as he started dieing of TB it’s a very dynamic character and how you play influence a lot of things in very small details in a cutscene or aurther journal(his journal also made him more human) and then you have the tech aspect so yeah
I think it’s because the first one came out in 2004 so a lot of people didn’t play the first one. Many along with me were introduced through this game.
"i dont talk about him much, but i always think about him" - John
Reminds me of the Rick Grimes quote “I had a friend… i don’t talk about him.”
@@Kngsley_ rick and shane :(
@@Kngsley_ me too.
The work Rockstar has done with Arthur is masterful. It's a masterclass in creating a connection between the player and a character.
"I gave you all I had" Is the single most moving sentence in all of the film and video game industry.
@@braydenshafford342I swear I was sobbing at that point
I never feel like this .I feel it's my Life
No 🗿
@@RamiXDD?
>Starting RDR2
"Who's this Arthur guy? i want to play as John"
>At the end of RDR2
"No please let me play as Arthur again....."
I never finished the game because I didn't want to play as John. thankfully I can still play online w/o finishing the main story.
Same situation
I literally stopped playing right when arthur gonna die...and start a new game
@@silvermoon9186 just replay the main story there’s so much you always miss on the first play through
@@silvermoon9186 I had to keep playing so I could get revenge ngl
John: *proceeds to have a mental breakdown in the other room*
me when my mum is watching me play rdr2 authur dies goes into another room crys
😂
Realist comment.
😔😔
😅😅😅
I remember when RDR2 first came out no one knew who Arthur was and everyone wanted to play John. Then you learn John’s back story and the love for Arthur grew more than the love for John.
I remember I was salty and then as the game was coming to a close I started doing all the side missions just to prolong Arthur's life 😭. Arthur is man John strives so hard to be.
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I remembered on the mission where Arthur gets taken away by the O’driscols. My first thought was why kill him?!
If they ever do a third game, it’ll be in a long time from now. I hope they do though. Another prequel.
@@TuPapiSuave69 I think the prequel might be Dutch story or better yet Lenny
Yes I remember very well but Not me. I liked Arthur as soon as he was shown.
I love that John remembered when Arthur said "And don't look back"
Except for when he came back from the Yukon and started acting like an outlaw again, actively disrespecting Arthur's dying wish.
And he also hunted Micah, which ended up killing him and leading to the deaths of the rest of the gang
But deep inside of John he still thinks of Arthur
Always
ofc he does , john thinks in some points of the epiloge about him, but he has to be the strong head of the family now
I do My son
We all do 😪
Yep
I always choke up when Arthur says “I’m afraid.” 😢
Same, but I wanted to comment because of your name, mine's Ryan Antonio.
@@sleepyfilipino Mine is Ryan Anwari lol
When two Ryans collide
@@Ferindel 🤜🤛💥💥
The scene with the nun is so good
It makes sense John doesn’t want to talk about Arthur. After all, he did say; “you gotta run and don’t look back”
True
more like in a meaning go live a life i never did but in a way kinda threw it away after killing micah
Nah hes still talking about pearson,dutch,hosea and everything except arthur when he was in blackwater
I think it's to make sense of John not ever mentioning Arthur in first game when killing the gang members even though it seems like he was such a crucial reason for revenge etc
@@Matthewgaming20even more tragic when it turns out dutch was planning to kill Micah off in the first place. If john and saddie stayed, micah would be dead and they would have been in more peace.
I cried tears of pride when Arthur left everything to help John. I had rage in my eyes when I tried to kill the rat that ruined our live. I cried tears of sorrow when Arthur perished. It may have been 5 years late but I’ve finally seen the end of Arthur Morgan’s story and it was beautiful.
Fax 🫡
Man Arthur's the only game character i have ever shed tears for. Man I miss him
Abigail: “Ain’t that right John?”
John: “You eat babies!”
Underrated comment 👏 👌
LMAO BRO
I don't understand
@Samarth Shukla Abigail was the gangs whore for a while till her a John fell in love and had jack. Although there are theories that jack might actually be Dutch or Josea's kid.
@@samarthshukla9869 it's a reference to the first game when John was hunting the Bigfoot, then when you find Bigfoot you accuse him of eating babies. And Bigfoot says we eat berries you fool or something along those lines.
“Your pa don’t talk about him much”
John: *continues to tell every single person he knew Arthur*
Come up with your own comment man, damn. I'll never understand why people feel the need to copy what someone else said. I just refuse to believe that someone is THAT desperate for internet points... Fucking sad. Really sad.
He tells all the war veterans who Arthur met (the two in Valentine and Rhodes) that Arthur saved his life and he died
@@leoncruick4612 He does? I haven’t finished the game and I remember those two, what were their reactions?
@@Nevergoingtogiveyouup2030 If you don’t finish all the side missions before the epilogue and you go back to them as John, he’ll tell the person that he knew Arthur. Not really much reaction from them, they’ll just be like “oh okay, anyway can you help me with this”
True point 😅 It is nearly impossible to not talking about such a figure like Arthur Morgan. We miss him so much 😢
"You've forgot way more important people then just me." -Strange man
Yoooo
Big facts bro😭
Facts!
Damn.
Damn u facts
Arthur Morgan, the man who taught all of us so much...
The man who showed me if I do a robbery and only get a few bucks I can't forget about the quarter
Oh the doubting the doubting
This game.. The one and only game I have gotten emotionally attached too 😅🤠
The first Last Of Us came close
Mw2 made me emotional also
Ahh this game and the witcher 3. That game also made me very emotionally attached
This game and TWD S1 endings are the only time I bawled my eyes out over games
Currently on my 4th play through and seeing new things.. Absolute shame that there does not seem to be anything in new in the pipeline
Its sad how if you get 100% completion there's a cutscene of John visiting Arthur's grave, he'll close the journal in front of Arthur's grave and say "looks like we're done here old friend" (or smth like that) and you'll hear the music from Arthur's death scene.
John celebrates his victory by closing the to-do list alongside the person who gave him the chance to complete that list
I wish john wouldve put arthurs hat on the grave stone and laid the journal at the base of it, perfect explanation of why he doesent have them in the 1st game
Johns hat is arthurs hat he puts a feather in it at some point
@@EternalMagikarp bro what? Arthur’s hat and john’s hat or two different hats
@@burpybut8586Yeah he blind, those are two different hats😂
@@EternalMagikarpyou know John existed before Arthur, and so did his outfit. How would Arthur’s hat become John’s
“The past is gone, we left that behind.” Also John hearing voices of the camp followers and full on conversations whenever he is in the abandoned camp sites from the Van Der Linde gang.
Wait, that happens?
@@OPbdh116yeah if you go back to any of the spots where camp was, you hear voices from the past
Owch. Never even noticed that bc i never rly play as John.
Now i have a reason to, thanks dog
I DIDNT KNOW THIS AND NOW IM GONNA GO CRY.
Wait I did it but that didn't happened
"The past is gone, we left that behind." Yet John kept Arthur's journal close and never let go of his hat.
Arthur is the reason why dutch didnt shot john
shoot*
Thank you for this comment it s not the school ok?
@@Rexbatch500 obviously. You’d have failed if it was
Ok thanks
@@Rexbatch500 it’s either I do it or someone else would
When we first started we wanted John. When we ended we didn’t want to leave Arthur.
real
So true😢
True
I came out of RDR2 liking John *less*. Arthur gave his life for John and his family to leave the country and the outlaw life behind, and only 8 years later, John's back in America doing outlaw shit again. And, shocker, it ends up getting him and Abigail killed. If he just listened to Arthur and stayed long gone, they'd probably be happy. And Jack would still have parents.
I'am Yes 🗿
Everything about this little scene is perfect, the way jack suddenly said his name, waited seconds to continue and abigail's reply as she acknowledges that arthur indeed saved them and lastly the way she passed the conversation to john, and how he replied rather cold but inside you know arthur was the world to him, his half brother.
It’s that whipper snapper!?
When you realize that Arthur isn’t mentioned in RDR1 because it hurts John too much to talk about him 😢
Arthur didnt exist in the events of rdr1 so john had no idea who arthur was
@@jo_killer3559 i mean he did and didn't. they made it later on and this scene helps connect the lack of background from the first game.
True when I first played rdr I assumed John was in a small group, with Dutch, Javier, and Bill, but when rdr2 came out i was surprised to see more than just four members of a gang
@@n4utlike Star Wars 😆
That is a really shitty way to look at prequels
Mad, in Franklin’s apartment on GTA V there’s a book on the shelf called “Red Dead”. By “J Marston”. This must be the one🤣
Are the two games part of the same universe?
@@silentcaldari7594 Maybe but in a different time
@@silentcaldari7594 Well its both from Rockstar so it can also be just an Easter Egg
in gta online you can also have john as one of your character's "parents"
That book is jacks
“Get the hell out of here and be a God damn man”
“You’re my brother..”
@@JonathanWare123 i know
@@JonathanWare123 “ be loyal to what matters “
I think about this line alot. Especially when it’s time to be a god damn man 💪
When Arthur died, I was so broken by it that I couldn't keep playing through the epilogue. I had to go back to the beginning and stay there.
Bro play the epilogue it’s just as good
I've had the same issue and I finally played through it for the first time last week, Arthur's death wasn't right imo, but the horses death, was just plain bullshit. Should have had John keep your horse for the epilogue to give you a real connection to Arthur.
@@uncletido99 if you check the wardrobe you can get Arthur's hat, which I think is a closer connection
@@slipawyhe also keeps Arthur's journal I do believe and you get a nice cut scene of john visiting Arthur's grave if you 100% the game
@@thyst8004exactly these little kids make me cringe there mad emotional and won’t even continue the game bc of it like without john and his game being so successful there wouldn’t BE no Arthur roger the actor for Arthur even calls john the legend.
"Our time is gone, people don't want us no more "- arthur
Arthur is a hero and will always be remembered! 😎😭 Great Video/short!
All the innocent people arthur killed: *Ah yes, our hero*
@@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf character development man
@@flex413 not enough
@@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf delusional
Yeah say that to all the random people I murdered for looking at me funny, the town of Dennis which I terrorize
I remember when people were upset they wouldn’t play as John in the 2nd game but rockstar knew better and made the better choice by far as letting us play Arthur Morgan who I think is the best rockstar character ever by far
Trevor Philips is the best Rockstar character imo 😂
Not even just by rockstar one of the best characters in gaming period
@@natasha675 this is so crazy
@Yo mama so slow, took her 9 months to make a joke childish to debate these two great characters
@@natasha675no see yourself out. Arthur is the best by far
Arthur always saves us 😭😢
Yes i remember i played the game completely opposite on the second time round (low honor) but on the last arthur mission i still sided with helping john i couldnt bring myself to grab money lol
@@wiisportsbowling3477 yeah but trust me the one where micah stabs arthur in the back with a knife is the worst one
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I do miss him but when people mention him I feel this pain in my gut like I shouldn’t have left him
I’ve never cried over a game or game character before, but here I am. Sobbing. Crying. This game, I became emotionally attached to this game. We all miss Arthur.
He was a criminal
I reccomend cyberpunk then, its also sad as shit
Am I the only one who didnt end up like that? It might have something to do with the fact that I was spoiled to that Arthur was gonna die before even starting to play the game
@@Gravity_304 I was really sad that he died but i would have probably been more sad if i didnt get spoiled the things about rdr2. I knew that micah is the bad guy and that arthur dies before i even started
@@johnnystankiewicz295 same
I like to think that John never mentions Arthur's name out loud, but he thinks about him every day
He told Mary Beth that in the epilogue. Find her at the Valentine train station.
i mean duh 😭
He also hears arthur voices every where when he start a camp
Heh. Nah. I bet Arthur would be on John's kill list in RDR1 if he existed in that game. Just like what he did to Javier.
@@supremedealer6697 absolutely not 💀
“you have forgotten people far more important than me partner.”
hits way harder after you realize he didnt even mention arthur a single time in rdr
Nah, wasn't working on rdr2 yet but had it in planning but still decided who was going to be the main character.
That's why he never mentions him in rdr1.
So stop pulling fake stories that rockstar didn't even knew.
@@hyek2.0 rockstar still had the idea of john having a very close friend that was like a brother to him while rdr1 was in development, while they didnt know who it was they still had the idea of it, just because they didnt know the name of the character doesnt mean theres no way to mention him, they couldve done something like god of war where kratos refers to atreus as “boy” because they hadnt made a name for atreus yet
@@hyek2.0 that's the most unfun, boring and utterly shitty way to view the story. You may as well say that the prequel never existed, and then we're right back at square one with giving RDR1 context. Example: Dutch in rdr1 repeating the same speech he did in rdr2 has so much weight and implications about his regret and guilt over what happened with the gang, the speech was given extra context while still making complete sense for his character. If you're going to remove every instance of rdr2 adding extra context to rdr1 that wasn't accounted for in 2010, it'd be a really really (good game but a) shitty prequel that would add very little to the original game
If you went and said "John didn't learn to run and not look back from Arthur, his life wasn't saved by the guy who Dutch betrayed and he didn't learn to love and embrace his family over time", you have literally done NOTHING in the prequel to explain ANY of the characters or their motivations and traits, at that point it's barely even a prequel aside from it sort of connecting to the first game, and the first game stays entirely the same
@@jaxmc3547 Jesus why did you write a whole article?
Apparently that's supposed to be in reference to the girl that Dutch shot on the boat
John: “The past is gone”
Also John: “ITS JOHN MARSTON MICAH!!”
I remember being apprehensive about playing as Arthur in rdr2 when it first came out, but after 2 minutes I was in love with him. Absolutely phenomenal writing for this game
Ah yes phenomenal writing equals wasting the whole gang for background filler characters.
@@360eradaryl7 cool?
@@360eradaryl7 wrong opinion sorry dude
@@EggsBenedict444 here comes the rdr2 dong riders lmao
@@360eradaryl7 What are you talking about? Every character in that game was incredibly deep and real. Did you even play it?
I miss Arthur he didn't deserve this .
He didn't. But Arthur didn't sit around and pout. He didn't whine or give up. Arthur knew this was unfair, and despite all the unfairness and cruelty of the world Arthur rose above it all and chose to do something good anyway, with the time he had left. In this, we should all aspire to be like Arthur 🫡 (no I'm not crying as I write this)
I miss aethur he could swim😢
He don’t wanna talk about him, cuz you know he would get emotional about it, I know I do, and he’s just a man in a story 😔
I can still hear his voice in my head..
“I gave you all I had…I did…”
Arthur: you gotta move on and don’t look back.
John: the past is gone
Guess John did listen to Arthur
He kinda did until he was confronted by ross
@@avocadocommander and that’s why he died.
@@avocadocommander had he listened, he wouldn't have gone killing Micah, which caused Ross found him
@@felipelotas1792 he also went after Micah because Sadie pushed him to.
@@jollyfighter7319 so Sadie has inadvertently led John to his death years later, oof.
I love how they created a game where most of the characters in the game loved Arthur as much as we do. He was more than just someone who saved them once; he was so much more.
"Arthur, thats a kingly name sir"
- the civil war veteran of Valentine
In one of the encounters, the civil war man, Mickey, openly confessed that he never served in the army and that he found that uniform and just wears it to trick people.
John in missions 😃
John in free roam 💀
i absolutely love it how john still follows what arthur told him to do years ago, to run and don’t look back. he never talks about arthur because arthur told him to not look back and to keep moving forward. absolutely amazing.
edit: i apologize for saying it twice, i was really high when i originally made the comment but i think it’s to funny to change 😂
We understood the first time you said it
@@aodigital9421
sorry, i was really high when i wrote this 😂 i’ll edit it
@@MrBubz-pq3ck lmao all love buddy
John going after Micha was the precise paradox about "not looking back." John tracks Micha down, kills him, Ross finds Micha's dead body and then finds John's homestead, leading to the events of the first game. If John actually listened to Arthur, he would of been just fine.
@@SmokeyGames420 i didn’t think about that. thank you bringing that up.
John says “you’re my brother Arthur” when Arthur tells john to leave and live a good life. John, Arthur and Hosea were like two brothers and a loving father. So was dutch until he was corrupted by Micah.
It's the only game that puts me in such a state. It's more than a game, it's a life lesson.
True Arthur was that person showed people in the real world how to be right and live free
@@Dogwater68probably just you
This game teaches you many things about life honestly. If you sit back and think on a lot of it. It’s a masterpiece. I’ve been obsessed over it the last couple days. I somehow am just now getting myself to play the story of the second game. Finished the epilogue last night and since, I have been watching videos on the first games story since I forgot much of it since I last played. And man. It’s so much to take in. I forgot the key roles the gang members played in the first game. Hunting Dutch. Javier. Bill. Seeing uncle die. It makes everything make so much sense. And it really changes how you see John. I always saw him as THE big badass of the gang. But you see in rdr2 he was the “little brother” in a sense. He always had dutch and Arthur and everyone else to protect, teach, and save him when need saving as dutch and Arthur would say haha. And then seeing Arthur’s death, change him into a combination of what he once was, with his new self. It really shows you how he got to where he is. I really wish they’d make a story dlc for Sadie and Charles tho. Even tho we know they likely moved on with there lives and did what they planned in the mission killing Micah. I have so many yet so little words. I play on PC, so for my second play through I have decided to download some quality of life mods to make the game even more of an experience! And last but not least. Lenny.😪 it made me cry. Happened so fast and has no time to say goodbye😢 probably one of my favorite characters in rdr2. Wish he had gotten more time or had been part of the first game😔
@@timmyneutronofficialI agree, it's way more than just a game
Arthur is one of the only people that Jack talks about (and therefore we can presume hes one of the only people he remembers). Arthur treated Jack so well. And Jack remembers that. He mentions Arthur a few times during the epilogue, but nobody else. Just to add to everyones heartbreak :)
Song: No Surprises by Radiohead
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"Why dont you ever talk about Uncle Arthur Pa?"
"It hurts too much.."
Even he is a outlaw, He is a good man:) R.I.P Arthur
Edit: i got tears in my eyes. Thanks for bringing Arthur in our life Rockstar.
And that’s rdr2 ending spoiled for me
@@lapitsky4109 sorry
@@ayoitsfarasat all good I had it coming
@@lapitsky4109 Don't worry, the same thing happened to me a long time ago and I still really enjoyed the game
Arthur was evil
You know your game is good when the main complaint is nobody mentions Arthur in the first game
Jack mentions in the first game that Arthur took him fishing once and that 2 city men showed up and started asking questions.
@@bsaaxtyfoon143That's the epilogue lol
@@bsaaxtyfoon143wasnt that epilouge p2
Arthur is such a good person. Best person I’ve ever played as in a game
This is so emotional.Everyone loved Arthur
Arthur has such a great story, its so good, and it leads to another story that has great potential, John Marston having the fallen hero story. if the first game were scripted a bit differently, it would be perfect
unpopular opinion, I know
might be an interesting story. Jack Marston finds arthurs old journal and begins a journey of redemption.
"The past is gone. We left that behind."
If only John, if only... 😢
There a time when you go to the camp, Arthur tell Abigail to “be careful” and Abigail says “I don’t have to be careful when I have a friend like you to protect me”😢 sad he died but atleast he kept that close to his heart.
I cried so much when he died that I honestly became just a little depressed, this game is so amazing and the emotions you experience playing it is just amazing
I remember finishing the game and sitting down in the shower absolutely distraught. Like “wtf did I just witness did that actually happen??”(I got the low honor ending) It’s kinda embarrassing but I was actually depressed about it for a few days
I finished recently and have felt numb for the past few days.
yess I cried when Arthur died he was a good friend and a uncle and a good husband and a father and he was a good man too.
I crode & crode so much when Arthur died
Arthur, you know, Jack Marston said he reads a lot of Arthurian legends books.
I wonder if he compares King Arthur Pendragon to Arthur Morgan.
First thing I thought of when he mentioned King Arthur and such. John even said he liked the names that they had in those books, and I think it’s because Arthur was the king
@@phormioofathens4774 I remember that Jack Marston later was nicknamed Lancelot. But Lancelot was pure of heart. In RDR1 at the end of rdr1 jack becomes evil and opposite of Lancelot
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I wouldn't say evil more vengeful and ready to kill Ross and after it he probably just went back to the Beecher's Hope and probably settled down and lived a family life or alone.
John started working with Milton
The guy who corrupted the gang sending Mika back to spur Dutch on with the bandit work
Just cuz we play as the character, dosent mean they are the "pure" good guy.
@@donovanulrich348 I don’t think anyone was under the illusion that Arthur or John or even Jack would be truly called “a good guy” but they are “the good guy”
Crazy to think this is how your grandparents grandparent’s lived
the past is gone we left that behind
- crys into arthurs hat -
Seriously red dead 2 is the only game ever to have made me cry after the ending I had a mental breakdown and had to stop playing games all together for a few days
i had to do the same thing. it felt like i had actually experienced the loss of soemone i knew and loved. crazy i may be but i cant help how i feel lol
Did you know the voice actor for Dutch was tracked with a full suit and when Dutch turned around that cliff the voice actor actually cried because of how sad it was
Ayo gavin? Finally found you
I think the thing that hurts the most about RD2 is that we’ll never get to play such an amazing character like Arthur again. At least with John we got to see/play him again in RD2. I highly doubt Rockstar will ever bring Arthur back, and by the time they decide to make another game it will most likely have different characters/main character. Arthur really is one of the greatest video game characters of all time.
Friend like Arthur is the true friend ever known .
A brother.
@@benfenton9669 yes amigo
Okay this actually made me fucking cry bro 😭🥺 I’ve never noticed this interaction before
Red dead redemtpiom 2 is beautiful and sad game. Thanks this game because I've changed for the better
Same. I was suffering great depression and was in desperation to find anything worthy to live for until I got it, it definitely distracted me from my previous bitch of a circumstances.
You may also enjoy playing silent hill 2 if you’re still feeling blue or introspective
And to think 4 years later John was murdered.
rdr1 is only 4 years later?
@sinia556 4 years later of the epilogue. Buy a PS3 and play RDR, I find it better than RDR2
@@danielcoelho3477 I watched my big brother play it through on the PS3 a while ago so I don't really remember a whole lot from it,but I'm definitely gonna replay it when I get a PC because I'm not paying 50$ to play it on the ps5
@@sinia556 ooh buddy, you will be rather upset when you realise rdr1 isn't on pc. 😂😢😭
@@sinia556agent Ross will kill John 4 yrs later in this story
John: The past is gone, we left that behind.....
ARTHUR: I want you to go and don't look back......
I wish people used no surprises more often, that song hits so hard and makes it more emotional
Yeah radiohead
Damn that tune just teared my heart to pieces thinking about the home Arthur wished for a home with no alarm and no surprises
Just going to see his grave in game brought tears to my eyes
And it's even more beautiful when you realiser that Arthur is that he wanted his grave facing the sunset and Charles accomplished that by putting his grave I'm the top of a mountain facing the sunset.
Arthur deserves his own undead nightmare type dlc
Arthur is always gonna be remembered by ua
I wish there was a way Arthur could have survived I love him and his story so much
His character wouldnt be as good If He surviced honestly.
Him becoming terminally ill is a central Part of His redemption.
1899: Uncle Arthur
1907: Arthur
Edit:Thanks for the likes ❤️
Dutch, he Called him by his name a handful of times.
Worthy for more likes ❤️
@@Assassinsam353 you made me happy 😊
@@dutchvanderlinde8673 What the? Dutch?
@@constantinethegreat6713 hello
He saved the ones he loved but could never save himself😔
"when the time comes you run, this is over"
“The past is gone, we left that behind”
damn John ok 💀
Arthur told him not to look back
It's not that John doesn't like talking about Arthur, it just hurts him a lot to remember him.
i love how realistic the animations and voice acting is. one of the million reasons why this game is so good
i’ve learned lots of things through this game, especially from arthur.
he will always be remembered
I like how the music is somewhat happy it reminds of the fact that there is happiness even in the most sad times
Drunken Arthur insults little Jack...
"I hate you uncle Arthur!"
People feel more attached to Arthur because we can control his choices, read his journal and see a life he could’ve had with Mary. His illness gives him clarity and and allows him to see his life more clearly. You become Arthur. Watching a man with little time left trying to right his wrongs and save as many as he can.
Great video I love Arthur he is very heroic
Thank you
@LoganB23 thank you
No problem arthur
That’s a great way to retcon Arthur actually being a character in RDR1. John just doesn’t talk about him because he doesn’t like to talk about him
well that that's the main reason
it was what arthur wanted, for john and his family to leave him and the life behind
I choke sobbed, on the floor, screaming, crying, when Arthur died. he was the best video game character in history. whenever I see edits like this, I start crying.
John thinks about arthur as much as we do in the epilogue
Грустно понимать что Джек довольно плохо помнит Артура, а ведь Артур знал Джека когда тот был ещё маленьким, они вместе ходили на рыбалку, катались на лошадях. Мне действительно грустно осознавать то, что Джек плохо помнит Артура.
Arthur was a good person but he was forced to do bad things
I don't know what's sadder, watching Arthur die, or watching everyone continue on without him.
John is just hiding the pain
Man I cried some real man tears at this scene
I know this is 7 months late but if you talk to Abigail after her conversation with Jack, John actually asks her why she told Jack that he didn't like talking about Arthur much in which case he was fine talking about him but didn't have much that he really had to say, other than how he saved him in the end.
Whether John does or doesn't like to talk about Arthur, he still remembers him, and that's all that matters.
As long as he's still remembered or talked about, he will always be alive.