It's amazing how well this has aged - despite being almost 40 years old, it's still a gorgeous anime by today's standards. Proof that there's a certain texture or expression that CGI still has trouble replicating.
It aged a lot better than the TV series it was based on, because they had the budget and animation staff to pull it off. When you start nickel and diming a project, the quality suffers. Its why many resort to CGI, because its cheaper. Meanwhile, CGI done right, with a proper budget and animation team can still turn out beautiful work as well.
The sad thing is, I'm sure it's possible to get close, we just seldom ever see it. Even with how time-saving CGI work can be compared to so many frames of hand drawn animation, anime is largely made the same as it was back then, so staff don't usually get to pull off stuff like this. Combine that with OVA-style productions being a thing of the past, and here we are. There are exceptions, I think the Netflix Castlevania stuff looks fantastic, but that's the exception, not the rule. And for mecha, outside of Gundam, it's sadly barren these days of something with the same...oomph as original Macross.
I need to try and find it, but as I understand it, Macross DYRL did use CGI, but not in the final shots. Some of the more complex movements had a CGI previz that the animators used as guides to keep on model and in the right perspective. Akira uses a lot of CGI you never get to see. The intro motorcycle scene was all made in CGI to keep the mechanical shapes on model and then drawn over. The classic Akira Slide was originally CGI before being drawn over. The key thing is it isn't CGI that's bad, but how it's utilized.
Man this was my youth, I watched this movie so many times every day. There was something about it that kept me watching, each time being a new experience.
It's like this - You may have seen fighter combat and awesome aerial and space dog-fighting portrayed in anime and live action over the years. But this, my friends, is *_the mecha equivalent of a knife fight in a phone booth!!_* And I've *_never_* seen anything quite like it before or since.
I think the close quarter combat scene is there to emphasize how insane both of their skills are. Max is hands down the best pilot in all of animé in terms of actual skill.
Shōji Kawamori, one of the Macross creators, refers to Maximilian Jenius and Milia Fallyna Jenius as being the best valkyrie (also known as variable fighters) pilots ever in the Macross universe since according to him Max and Milia are "genius".
Its a shame the last part of this scene was removed. True, it doesn't directly involve Max and Milia, but seeing the Meltrandi battleship fire its weapon and destroy Macross' main canon with the epic finale of the BGM theme just makes the stakes seem so much higher.
Huh... just noticed that at 0:33 Max takes several direct hits from Millia. If he hadn't transformed into Battroid mode at that exact moment he'd probably had been defeated (since Battroid mode redirects energy that is normally used for engines to the energy conversion armor instead. I'm a total Macross nerd...) Awesomeness. It's really quite impossible to notice all the amazing details without watching it in slow-mo.
I love the buzzsaw sounds the gu-11 gun pods make in this movie. Even if it's a "bastardized" version of the original Macross series, I love it none the less!
Fades to another scene there. I tried editing in the epilogue to that fight, where it shows Max walk up to the giant Millia and call her beautiful, but it didn't work out well.
Would be hard for their kids to be born if she died. And Macross 7 would be without main female singer, and subsequent film without her really BIG sister.
@Skullsquadron1000 - "max was turned..." Zentran&Meltran use power suits only slightly larger than they are, humans use mecha to match their size. And yes, Max was taken by the Zentran ladies *after* this scene and later in the movie returns giant sized after using one of their enlargement machines piloting a Blue Meltran Queadlunn-Rau Power Armor since his own Valk was destroyed.. All I can think is.. Max... You are wearing Meltran female underware aren't you? They don't have any male clothes.
The Macross movie is actually an IC Movie in the macross setting. Later series bring it up a few times. It's basically their era's Saving private ryan. :D
This is a movie made from the original Macross TV show (Season 1 of Robotech was a bastardization of Macross). In the Macross Continuity, DYRL is an In Universe movie made after the 'Real Life' accounts of the events of the TV show (which is canon), hence certain dramatic differences (such as the manner of Roy Fokkers death)
My favorite dogfight from the Macross continuity. Shame it was so short. I don't think I've come across a game of any sort that allows you to pilot like that. Even Valkryie simulations aren't up to this level.
@@pilotamurorei The PS2 game is really good and gives you a lot of interesting control over your Valkyrie. I also REALLY enjoy the PSP titles, Macross Ultimate Frontier being my favorite. It's less realistic but the action is so fast and the dog fights just feel so good!
The guy just rolled along the ground with a humanoid robot that's operated with a normal flight joystick. Max and Millia are bundles of reaction speed. They're practically Newtypes.
@Rampagelil The name of that is MACROSS: DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE... and it is like the movie version of the Series ... because of that its totaly redone, based on the series with necessary adaptations...I myself prefer the "movie" version!
0:08 the opened airbrake lid can be seen. after 1:11 the wings of Max's Valkyrie are broken off. As I can remember there's no Flight Simulator in the 80's in Japan.
日本のアニメ屈指の名戦闘シーン！！
約３０年以上前の作品なのに色褪せない。
数あるロボットアニメの中でもトップクラスの名勝負
何がすごいって、マックスが得意の「おとり撃ち」でミリアに一撃与えるも、すぐさまミリアが同じく「おとり撃ち」で反撃、これにマックスが驚愕するという流れ…まさに天才同士の一騎打ち
お互い当たらなくて驚いてるリアクション見る限り普段いかに外さず確実に撃ち抜いてるかわかるよね(笑)
恐ろしやあ
And that kids is how I meet your mother!
暗闇の密室という状況を作って戦闘の緊張感を伝える演出は、本当にすごい
武器のインフレに頼りがちなロボットアニメの中でこれだけのアイディアが盛り込まれた作品はそう多くはない
14年前のアーカイブが残ってるのはすごい✨
にしても、絶対LIVE良かったなぁ
やはりMAXは天才
BGMがカッコ良すぎるのと息詰まる接戦演出好きやわ
82年に始まって40年、劇中内で57年経ってΔでようやく操縦能力をフルに発揮できる機体とシステムが登場する辺りやっぱり天才だよマックス
愛おぼでのVF-1ではまだ拘束具レベルだったのか……（意味不明
しかも老化と言うデバフが付いた状態なので、この最盛期だと下手したらYF-29でも足りて無い可能性があるから恐ろしい。
It's amazing how well this has aged - despite being almost 40 years old, it's still a gorgeous anime by today's standards. Proof that there's a certain texture or expression that CGI still has trouble replicating.
It aged a lot better than the TV series it was based on, because they had the budget and animation staff to pull it off. When you start nickel and diming a project, the quality suffers. Its why many resort to CGI, because its cheaper.
Meanwhile, CGI done right, with a proper budget and animation team can still turn out beautiful work as well.
Animation back then was generally better.
There is nothing like hand painted and drawn images, no computer can emulate that. Awesome and state of the art animation
The sad thing is, I'm sure it's possible to get close, we just seldom ever see it. Even with how time-saving CGI work can be compared to so many frames of hand drawn animation, anime is largely made the same as it was back then, so staff don't usually get to pull off stuff like this. Combine that with OVA-style productions being a thing of the past, and here we are. There are exceptions, I think the Netflix Castlevania stuff looks fantastic, but that's the exception, not the rule. And for mecha, outside of Gundam, it's sadly barren these days of something with the same...oomph as original Macross.
I need to try and find it, but as I understand it, Macross DYRL did use CGI, but not in the final shots.
Some of the more complex movements had a CGI previz that the animators used as guides to keep on model and in the right perspective.
Akira uses a lot of CGI you never get to see. The intro motorcycle scene was all made in CGI to keep the mechanical shapes on model and then drawn over. The classic Akira Slide was originally CGI before being drawn over.
The key thing is it isn't CGI that's bad, but how it's utilized.
２度目の交錯で機体を左右に振って致命傷を回避後、バトロイドに変形し、ミサイルポッドをクァドランの方向へ向け発射後上昇、クァドランが撃ち落としてる間に上からガンポッドで撃つ。TV版でもありました「おとり撃ち」ってやつですね、これを瞬時に判断して実行するってすごい。しかもレバーを操作してからVF-１が挙動するタイムロスを考えると相手の動きがある程度読めてないと出来ない芸当ですね。さすが天才というべきか。
やっぱマクロスの中でこの作品が1番良い。古い作品だけれども、もうアニメを超えた映画に観える
シリーズになったらだんだんよくわからなくなった。私もこれがいちばん好き。
これCGじゃなく、セル画って凄すぎる
CGの無い時代には当たり前だった訳で
何回見ても最高のバトル
圧倒的なスピード感、機動力を駆使した戦闘演出
しかもこの死闘から恋愛に発展する落とし方、、、
今のクリエイターには不可能と感じられる
The Macross equivalent of “How I Met Your Mother!”
「逃がすか！」って普通に考えて敵の母艦に突入しないよなぁｗ
マックスは天才だけど熱くなったら後先考えないタイプなのかしら
嫌いじゃない
ここでマックスが凄いのは0:32のとこの様に、
被弾しても一瞬でバトロイドに変形して装甲強度を上げて防いでるのが本当に……。
(バトロイドに変形すると飛行に使ってたエンジン出力を使ってエネルギー転換装甲をフルパワーで使える様になる)
0:39の様にミサイルの雨に装甲強度を上げても耐えられないのを考えて一瞬でファイター形態に変更して回避に専念出来てるのがマックス凄すぎる………。
なるほどな
ほんとだ、4発くらい被弾してますね
ミリアの方は被弾が見てわかりますが、なぜマックスは煙吹いてるんだろ？と昔から思ってました。
エネルギー転換装甲..知らなんだ...
そんな設定あったんですね。
ありがとうございます。
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マクロス第一話でブービートラップ後のマクロス暴走後にフォッカー少佐が輝にこいつ(VF-1D)に乗ってろ、
こいつなら戦車並の装甲を持ってると言ってるシーンが有ります。(フォッカー少佐らしい説明不足ですが起動状態のVF-1Dのバトロイド状態ならエネルギー転換装甲で戦車並の重装甲になると言いたかったと思われます。)
@@user-ou4iq7kj8c １話のVF１Dのガウォークが突っ込んでビルを次々なぎ倒していくのもその設定なんですね。見るたびに｢それはないわ～!グフのムチ並みに無茶やなあ。｣って思ってました。
Man this was my youth, I watched this movie so many times every day. There was something about it that kept me watching, each time being a new experience.
It's like this - You may have seen fighter combat and awesome aerial and space dog-fighting portrayed in anime and live action over the years.
But this, my friends, is *_the mecha equivalent of a knife fight in a phone booth!!_*
And I've *_never_* seen anything quite like it before or since.
You forgot to mention that it's 2:00am in Harlem and the street lights are out. There will be sweat.
You forgot..
Its also love at first shot
@Chris Donahue lol
この戦闘で二人が死ななくて良かった。
I always adored the music from this movie, nothing like smooth saxophone to dogfight by 😉
I think the close quarter combat scene is there to emphasize how insane both of their skills are. Max is hands down the best pilot in all of animé in terms of actual skill.
やはり、マックスの操縦テクニックは最高。ミリアもピカイチ。そのミリアと互角とは。マックスはブルー素晴らしい
子供の頃からマックスのような男性になりたいという夢を持っていた大人になった今もマックスみたいな男性になりたいという夢を未だ持っている マクロスの登場人物ではバルキリーの天才パイロットマックスが好き
Talk about one hell of a 1st date.
何十年も前ですがテレビで偶然、このシーンを放送していたのを見て衝撃を受けて以来、この作品はずっと自分の中で神アニメです。
マックスとミリアのバトル場面！！
見ていて手に汗握るぞよ〜😊💦
Shōji Kawamori, one of the Macross creators, refers to Maximilian Jenius and Milia Fallyna Jenius as being the best valkyrie (also known as variable fighters) pilots ever in the Macross universe since according to him Max and Milia are "genius".
These two are so badass. Best couple in Macross history.
個人的に凄いと思ったのは回避運動もそうだけどクァドランの腕部レーザー攻撃を受けながら頭部レーザー機銃でカウンターをかけたマックスの反応と技量。
あの高機動で短射程で稼働範囲に制限があって狙いづらいレーザー機銃を当てるのはさすが。
だから天才パイロットなんだよ。
確かに！
The music in the background is out of this world. I listened to this at least 30x today...mainly for the soundtrack lol
当時戦闘機の戦いとか全く知らなくて
何をもって勝敗にしてるのか分からなかったけど伝わるすごさ
劇場で柿崎の撃墜シーンに
笑いが出たのは懐かしい思い出ですね😃
私の地元では、マックスとミリアの戦闘の後ミリアのヘルメットが脱げマックスの「美しい」セリフのときに笑いに包まれました。
Its a shame the last part of this scene was removed. True, it doesn't directly involve Max and Milia, but seeing the Meltrandi battleship fire its weapon and destroy Macross' main canon with the epic finale of the BGM theme just makes the stakes seem so much higher.
板野一郎が凄い、ただそれだけです😺
撃墜されたみたいなリアクションして的確に反撃してんじゃねーよ天才笑
Huh... just noticed that at 0:33 Max takes several direct hits from Millia. If he hadn't transformed into Battroid mode at that exact moment he'd probably had been defeated (since Battroid mode redirects energy that is normally used for engines to the energy conversion armor instead. I'm a total Macross nerd...)
Awesomeness. It's really quite impossible to notice all the amazing details without watching it in slow-mo.
メルトランディーの乗機、身体の大きさからすると、戦闘機と言うよりもパワードスーツ。
いわば、エンジンと武器付きの大きめの着ぐるみを着ている感じ。
元々ゼントラーディやメルトランディは兵器として造られた種族。これの他の戦闘ポッドなども居住性最悪で、追加兵装的な発想ですよね。
マクロスのバルキリーの天才パイロット、マックスのような男性になりたいなという夢をもっていた
Circle-strafing like a boss.
Some of the best animation coming from the 80s in this film. Still looks better than most Anime today!
これが新郎と新婦のなれそめDEATH。
Legendary scene in anime history
80年代とは思えない。良い仕事するなぁ〜
I love the buzzsaw sounds the gu-11 gun pods make in this movie. Even if it's a "bastardized" version of the original Macross series, I love it none the less!
これがマックス艦長とミリア市長の馴れ初めです
結構激しい絡みでしたな
初デートがゲーセンってマ？
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TVシリーズでは初めて顔を合わせたのがゲーセンで、対戦を挑んでマックスに負けたことから以前に自分のクァドラン・ローを大破させたパイロットと確信。(事実そうでした)
決闘のため後日場所と時間を指定して待ち合わせたところ、マックスはデートの誘いと勘違いｗ
改めてナイフでの一騎打ちをしたところナイフを飛ばされ再度負ける。
そしてマックスにキスされたことから彼に惚れ結婚することとなります。
この動画は劇場版で、マックスとミリアが初めて出会ったシーンです。
この後マックスが勝つのですが（とはいえマックスのVF-1Sも継戦不能となる）
その後マックスが巨人化しメルトランディ側に付いたうえで、モルク・ラプラミズ 立ち合いの元ゼントラーディの歌へのカウンターとして結婚式を挙げそれを放送します。(このシーンはカットされましたが)
@@SUZUKIGSX1100SR 劇場版がマクロス７に繋がっているからゲーセンの出逢いは事実じゃない。
@@pilotamurorei
んーっと、「マクロス7」は「TV版マクロス」の続きですね。
TV版・劇場版ともにマックスとミリアが結婚するのは同じですが、立場がそれぞれ逆なんです。
TV版ではミリアがマイクローン化したままマックスと結婚し、マクロスの「夫婦エースパイロット」として活躍しますが、私のコメにもある通り劇場版ではマックスが巨人化しメルトランディ側のパイロットとなって、パーソナルカラーである青で塗装されたクァドラン・ローに乗って最終決戦を戦う姿がワンカット出てきます。
これを鑑みるに、「マクロス７」は「劇場版の続き」では整合性が全く取れないことになってしまいますね。
それにゲーセンでの出逢いはおろか、ミリアがマイクローン化してSDF-1に潜入することすらありません。
ですから劇場版「愛・おぼえていますか」はその後のシリーズとは別として考えるべきだと思います。
この劇場版は、マクロスの世界では星間戦争終結20周年記念で公開されたということになっているので、本来の馴れ初めはTV版で、そのことはもちろん知ってます。
ただ、戦場での出会いと激しいカラミ（ドッグファイト）という点では同じですね。
ちなみに、自分はTV版の方が好きです。
マクロス史上、最高のドッグファイト思うけど、どう？
Fades to another scene there. I tried editing in the epilogue to that fight, where it shows Max walk up to the giant Millia and call her beautiful, but it didn't work out well.
0:38
ここ、バトロイドから飛行形態に変形して、速度を上げて回避するところが超人的過ぎる。
そして、一気に急降下で速度を稼ぎつつ、遺跡にミサイルを拭いつけて、遺跡の建物を潜りながら低空飛行で逃げ抜けるのが、たまらんですね。
ただ、その後正面からミリアが待ち構えているのはビックリでした。どちらも流石です。
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40年前のアニメとも思えない完成度に脱帽です(^_^;)
In this movie, she was always a giant.
And didn't die.
Would be hard for their kids to be born if she died. And Macross 7 would be without main female singer, and subsequent film without her really BIG sister.
若き庵野秀明監督も夢中になったであろう名勝負
ゼントラン語を作ったところが天才
あんな至近距離で撃ち合ってもあんま被弾しない天才…
ミリアの入り口待ち伏せ攻撃結構良い手かなと思ったけど、さすがにマックス相手じゃムリだったか、、
@Skullsquadron1000 - "max was turned..."
Zentran&Meltran use power suits only slightly larger than they are, humans use mecha to match their size. And yes, Max was taken by the Zentran ladies *after* this scene and later in the movie returns giant sized after using one of their enlargement machines piloting a Blue Meltran Queadlunn-Rau Power Armor since his own Valk was destroyed.. All I can think is.. Max... You are wearing Meltran female underware aren't you? They don't have any male clothes.
Now THAT'S how you do a meet cute.
マックスの声ジョジョのヴァニラアイスだった
異文化のメカ同士の戦闘表現が最高
there hasnt been any hand-drawn anime to date that can compete with the quality of dyrl
マックスがバルキリーの操縦技術はナンバーワンだ。
イサムとおそらく互角なのかな。小説版のフロンティアだと張り合うシーンあるけど。ちなみにマックスのせいで目立たないけど輝も充分天才なんだけどねw
Max: "..and that's how I met your mother kids..."
TV版のマックスはほとんど被弾しないのに愛おぼだと結構食らってる
劇場版ミリアは強い
That's one helluva first date!
@maven21 Yeah, and you can also see Hikaru's radar track the shot and Max's reaction on the comm. They really went all out on the details :)
The Macross movie is actually an IC Movie in the macross setting. Later series bring it up a few times. It's basically their era's Saving private ryan. :D
what a beautiful waltz of destruction they danced. I can't help but wish they developed their story further. I think theres love in there! : " D
Children: Well, at least it's a better story than when you attacked him with a knife on your first date!
柿崎の死と、マックス「隊長」で頭の中こんがらかった記憶。
This is a movie made from the original Macross TV show (Season 1 of Robotech was a bastardization of Macross).
In the Macross Continuity, DYRL is an In Universe movie made after the 'Real Life' accounts of the events of the TV show (which is canon), hence certain dramatic differences (such as the manner of Roy Fokkers death)
this scene in a movie teather (not on your tablet or cell phone) is AWESOME.
マクロスはTVシリーズ以降はすべて戦勝○年記念的な作品で史実じゃなかった気がする
振り向いた時にメットの中で頭が揺れ動く演出。今のアニメ作者では思いつけないんじゃないの？
TVじゃ｢小型人化｣して、マクロスに潜入したミリア、劇場版では｢巨人族化｣したマックス。w
I heard it did get released. As a Macross movie(surprising isn't it). Just that the dubs suuuucccckkk beyond all glory. and its rare to find.
best couple in all of history
My favorite dogfight from the Macross continuity. Shame it was so short.
I don't think I've come across a game of any sort that allows you to pilot like that. Even Valkryie simulations aren't up to this level.
ps2 Macross. Its a two part stage, first part is beating Miria, 2nd part is destroying her command ship. The absolute hardest stage in the game.
@@pilotamurorei The PS2 game is really good and gives you a lot of interesting control over your Valkyrie.
I also REALLY enjoy the PSP titles, Macross Ultimate Frontier being my favorite. It's less realistic but the action is so fast and the dog fights just feel so good!
armored Core 6 is pretty damn good tho haha
@@Renzuken3True, I just wish a variable mecha/Valkyrie game on par with AC actually existed.
それでは皆さんご一緒に
柿崎ィィィィィィィィ！！！！！
これでもTV版よりはマシな死に方なんだよなぁ
@@user-jq8ov1ny8h テレビ版は味方に殺されたようなもんだからね。
死因
TV版ー変形が遅れたから
映画版ー目を閉じて笑ったから
テレビ版では深追いをするなでしたが、映画版では深追いして敵戦艦にまで入ってしまう設定。帰れなくなった。
柿崎（え？出落ち？俺の悲鳴は……？）
@RadioCambodia No, Roy was taken out by random baddie, not by Miriya
これがマクロス！！
板野サーカスってやつだ！！
The guy just rolled along the ground with a humanoid robot that's operated with a normal flight joystick. Max and Millia are bundles of reaction speed. They're practically Newtypes.
two flight sticks, this is NOT the tv valkyries.
@@pilotamurorei So this dude is doing backflips and rolling on the ground with a Virtual On arcade machine. He's in a different league, hahaha
マックスが好き。
The macross movie is actually an IC movie ala Saving Private Ryan is. It's mentioned in Macross 7 and if I recall right.
I always liked Miriya and Max, I especially like the parts where they try to beat each other in the arcade hehe.
fantastic animation! details are lost nowadays.
Love in first fight. Epic!!!!!
いやもう作画が国宝級すぎる
Char's Counterattack and F91 got Blue Ray versions, so I don't doubt this will eventually.
超至近距離からの攻撃をお互い避け散らかす2人に鳥肌立つな
@Rampagelil The name of that is MACROSS: DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE... and it is like the movie version of the Series ... because of that its totaly redone, based on the series with necessary adaptations...I myself prefer the "movie" version!
Max and Milia ( Miriya) Sterling/ Jenius are Mr. and Mrs. Smith Robotech/ Macross version
You're right. And Thora only did 720p versions of F91 and CCA. Looks like we're a little screwed.
Now this is a fight, not like what we have nowadays.
Because it's not Roy's, it's the Skull Squadron leader's jet and at this point in DYRL, Max is Skull Squadron leader.
With the death of Roy and the disappearance of Hikaru, Max was promoted to captain. Thats why he has the 1S.
2人の激闘はCOOLだぜい
0:08 the opened airbrake lid can be seen.
after 1:11 the wings of Max's Valkyrie are broken off.
As I can remember there's no Flight Simulator in the 80's in Japan.
0:20, Milla isn't in her battle suit. her background was Max's instead.
After all these years(15?), I pick up this mistake the first time...
Max to their 7 Daugthers: That's how I met your mother
Honestly, all that aggression between the 2, I think they should pull a Mr. and Mrs. Smith. They should just start tearin each other up. 😉