Is this even LEGAL? A response to critics
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- There has been some controversy over my latest bow hunting video and I’d like to take a few minutes to address some of the concerns that people have raised. The video in question tells the story of my youngest son’s first traditional bow harvest, an 89lb hog, which he shot with a 20lb selfbow that he helped make.
Here's the Vid - • Fen shot a hog with hi...
We’ll work our way through all of this but I want to start with the question of legality. In Florida, where this hunt took place, the minimum draw weight for game is 35lbs. Fen’s bow was only 20 lbs at his draw length. So was the whole thing illegal? No. In Florida, feral hogs are considered trespass livestock on private land and property of the landowner. Therefore there is no minimum draw weight or any other FWC regulations that govern the hunting of feral hogs on private property.
Another concern was the fact that a 20lb bow was used. People on both sides of this issue have used that weight for their own purposes, some saying it’s way too low to reliably kill an animal of that size. Others pointing to it as proof that low poundage bows are perfectly acceptable to hunt big game. My own opinions lay somewhere in between. Let me explain. When it comes to penetration there are several key factors that come into play, draw weight being only one. Those factors, in no particular order, are, Bow efficiency, draw length, draw weight, arrow speed, arrow weight, arrow flight (tuning), shot placement, broadhead design, and all of Dr. Ashby’s FOC stuff which we’ll revisit in a moment.
I first want to address the broader idea of risk as it applies to the probability of wounding loss. It’s been said that with a 20lb bow the risk of wounding and loosing an animal is too high. I can intuitively understand the logic here but I think we need to flesh it out a little to better understand the flaw in this reasoning. Let’s look at a scenario with two hunters, one shooting 60lbs at 28” and another shooting 45lbs at 28” and everything else being equal. With perfect shot placement both those setups would efficiently kill a very large hog. But as we move to less and less perfect shot placement (around the shoulder and shield) the 60lb bow would be the safer bet while an arrow from the 45lb bow would have a higher probability of being stopped by the shield or heavy bone. All else is rarely if ever equal, but if it were, there’d a higher risk of losing an animal with the lower poundage bow and that risk would increase the lower you go. Some of you who shoot low poundage bows might be getting defensive right now but stick with me and try’n keep an open mind. Even though higher poundage bows give us a little more margin for error when it comes to hitting heavy bone or a boar hogs thick shield I’d never suggest that someone shouldn’t hunt if they can’t draw 60lbs at 28 inches.
What I would suggest is that they do everything they can to maximize the efficiency and penetrating power of their bow and arrow within their own physical limitations. And that they be proficient with that weapon and keep their shots close. In the case of my son, he could draw and shoot 20lbs accurately at his draw length of 20 inches. The low poundage and short draw are significant limitations when it comes to penetration. Luckily though, they are only two of the factors that affect arrow penetration. In order to overcome/mitigate for those limitations I maximized to the extent possible every other factor that I could control including broadhead design and sharpness, arrow flight, arrow weight, FOC, and shaft diameter.
I listed those stats in the video description but I’ll list them again here. The broadhead used was a razor sharp, cut on contact, 190 grain meathead with high mechanical advantage. The arrows were tuned well to conserve and delivery maximum energy. The total arrow weight was a little over 400 grains. FOC was 27%. And shaft diameter was ¼ inch. I won’t go in depth here about how these factors enhance penetration but will provide a link to Dr. Ashby’s research so you can look for yourself. The important part here is that the equipment used was carefully built and tuned to be as effective as possible, and mitigate to the extent possible, the limitations of draw weight and length.
www.ashbybowhunting.org/ashby...
So is the risk higher with a low poundage bow? Yes. Is it too high? I suppose that’s a question you’ll have to answer for yourself. It was obviously adequate. The hog was quartering to him, an admittedly risky angle I’ll address in a moment. The arrow struck in front of the shoulder traveling rearward into the chest breaking a rib on the way for a total of 9” penetration. Had he hit the shoulder he’d have got little to no penetration and the hog would have got away. But I suspect that same shot from 45lb bow into the heavy shoulder bones wouldn’t have been any different. With a 60lb bow, maybe you could have punched through with the right arrow setup. - Sport
Good on you for :
1 spending time with your kids
2 educating the next generation of hunters
3 calmly educating the general public
4 Thank you for being an ethical Hunter and a great spokesman for hunting
Thanks Much!
Couldn't have said it better myself!!
100%
bearded archery Amen!!!!!
The best thing anyone can do is educate the public or educate themselves.
Sorry that we live in an age where you have to defend yourself for teaching your children to look after themselves.
Me too...
Don't ever be sorry for ignorant snowflakes!
Well said to all so far.
'Sad arse' 'poor me' victim mentality you have.
@@mrbiscuits915 How did you read that into what he said? Whether someone agrees with him or not, he's making a logical, well-stated argument. He's very candid about the risks, his mitigation efforts, etc. If someone gives him a hard time, he's well within his rights to respond. And he does it much more candidly and professionally than many people would.
Exellent content. In Finland huntings is something you learn while you grow. My son is now 6 and he is taking a part of my hunting trips and also game handling as much as he wants. Only thing my wife was worried was that did I wait too long to take him with me😁
Perfect!
I could move there. :)
South Africa is good too though
Well said. That boy is never gonna forget that day. Awesome job
I won't forget it either!
What’s the problem. The pig was taken legally. A one shot kill perfectly placed. Take pride in your achievement young fella. A ripping first pig.
Congrats to you and your wife Clay for the way you are raising these boys.
Congratulations to your son. A memory he will have for life. Thank you for sharing and teaching your children to be outdoors-men.
You bet
Very well said. You should be very proud of Fen, and yourself for both raising your boys to respect and enjoy the outdoors, and for handling this situation and criticism with class. Kudos
Thanks much!
100% support everything you've stated, most archers dont understand traditional archery arrow dynamics. Also I grew up trapping and shooting traditional archery, molded my hunting and people skills throughout life.
Bowtac, you are 100% correct. I have friends that do not believe my 45-53 pound longbows achieve pass throughs every time I do my part.
I cherish the memories I had hunting and fishing with my Dad. Thank you for spending time with your son. He will never forget those times. We need more Dad's like you. You didn't do anything wrong.
Clay keep doing what your doing, I'm a father too, you are raising your boys right. There are very few kids that actually know where their food comes from. So happy for you guys, stay safe.
Thank you, I will
That is one of the purest things I've ever seen between a father and son it was truly beautiful a true accomplishment in your son's life and you as a father critics and haters pound sand
Clay I have one question . Just how good was that Hog when you cooked it up ! Congrats to Finn , again you are truly blessed my friend ...if your ever up in Pa come stalk some deer on my place ....
We cooked the ribs already. Gonna smoke a ham before too long. Mighty fine!
Even with domestic hogs 85 pounds is considered market weight the pork from a hog that size would be prime, it's when the begin to get up in the 400 pound range, that the meat gets rank.
Very well said. Thank you for teaching your children to be self sufficient and stewards of the land. Great content!
I agree with you 100% teaching our kids the importance of self reliance and how to be good stewards to our lands is one of the most valuable lessons we teach our children...something most critics can’t fathom
You sir are raising your children propper don't worry about what people say most are stupid and don't understand what you are doing keep up the good work
Thank you for being a great teacher of hunting,we need more like you!
Handled perfectly. There will always be some who take issue with just about anything. Good to see you not hide from the criticism but politely but firmly discuss it.
Clay, you keep doing what you do... your son did a great job, due to you being a good father and teacher.
You should not have to explain anything to those critics.
God bless you and your family.
Keep those vids coming!
Thanks Rey
Clay, I absolutely love this video but I hate you had to do it in response to criticism. I love you have your boys in touch with the beauty of the great outdoors. I’m proud of your son as I’m sure you are. I like also that you took this as a learning experience for Fen with shot placement. Keep up the good work
Be very proud. And hold yourself high that you've taught your sons to shoot as accurately as that. That's a skill most adults lack. Congratulations to both of you for that moment that neither of you will ever forget
Very well explained. I think it was a blessing that your son experienced something that most of us wish we could have the same.
Thanks a lot I told my sister about your video and how happy your son was she said that she thought no kid should kill a animal I strongly disagree with what she said we got in a bit of a fight keep hunting with your son
Some people just hate what they don't understand
Next time someone cries about hunting, ask them why they think they have pointy teeth in their mouth and forward-facing eyes. Watch the confusion as they process that... ;-)
@@dariusus9870 Sorry - maybe my comment was too cryptic. Let me clarify: The design and arrangement of human teeth and eyes have a LOT to do with hunting. Our various sharp and pointy teeth (canines, etc.) are evolution’s tools for tearing into meat. I know we also have molars - because we are omnivores, but you don’t see strict herbivores with carnivore teeth. Our forward-facing eyes are one of the defining characteristics of a predator. Wolves, lions, bears, coyotes… all have forward-facing eyes, just like humans. Bears also eat a tremendous amount of vegitation, but forward-facing eyes (binocular vision) are designed for predation - i.e., hunting - so yes - we are absolutely designed and evolved to HUNT - and yes - hunting has absolutely kept untold millions of our fellow hominids alive over the past couple million years. Any anthropologist will explain that the development of projectile weapons for hunting animals, combined with control of fire to cook meat are widely accepted as the main reasons our protein and calorie-hungry brains got so large, which made us the Homo Sapiens we are today. It is also true that the “gathering“ part of the hunting and gathering equation was the larger part, historically - some suggest as much as 80% of our diet may have been plant-based from gathering - but the 20% or more that came from hunting has always been critical to to our survival. Anyone who wants to condemn ethical hunting is ignorant of their own human history and insulting to those who take pride in the many valuable hunting traditions that have endured since the dawn of humanity.
@@dariusus9870 I’m sorry you’re so angry at hunters. I wonder if you actually know any real hunters personally? You say you do not condemn hunting for food, but then you go on to call the majority of hunters hypocrites who “like to kill’ - but only for trophies. I wonder what you think of the gardener who proudly holds up the huge “Trophy” squash they just tore off the vine? I guess we all choose where we draw that line, as all plants and vegetables are clearly alive and happy before we kill them to eat them, so I’m not sure what point there is in differentiating animal life from plant life this way. In my opinion, life is life and we only live because we eat other living things. Literally every single hunter I know, and I know many, always eat what they kill and go to great lengths to utilize as much of the kill as possible and to make ethical shots to minimize the animal’s suffering. Every one of them are animal lovers with a deep understanding and appreciation for nature, who work hard to preserve habitat for wildlife. There may be a very small minority of hunters who only hunt for trophies, but I don’t know any who do not either eat the kill themselves or donate it to someone who needs and appreciates the food. I do know that the great majority of the amazing recovery of the populations of North American Whitetail deer, among many other species which were nearly wiped out by over-hunting in the 18th and 19th centuries are a direct result of the work of hunters to promote conservation of habitat. Hunting fees pay for the conservation efforts and studies of animal populations that ensure their continuity and expansion in balance with the environment, routinely protecting them from human development, pollution and many other impacts of the modern world. Hunting is not something we only used to do “when we were cavemen, a long time ago“ - humans have always hunted. It is only very recently that so much of humanity has become so disconnected with where their meat comes from to the extent that we now have factory farming of livestock on an enormous scale that is far more cruel than allowing animals to thrive in the wild until the day they are harvested by an ethical hunter.
If you feel so negatively about hunting, I wonder why you are watching a Clay Hayes video about hunting in the first place. To call his son’s bow a “piece of shit“ proves that you know nothing about this man or his family. Clay is a kind, respectful man who also happens to be an expert builder of the highest quality bows. His son’s bow is almost certainly the best one any kid his age could possibly have and the absolutely perfect shot he made with it to take that hog is proof that this family regularly practices this ancient skill. Clay and his family eat wild game and grow their own vegetables on their homestead, practicing sustainable habits that I envy and respect. His commendable efforts to train his son in these important skills from a young age are hardly “bullshit.” The fact that you lump this group of respectful people into a category of hypocritical rapists and morons is very sad and shows that you would probably benefit from some time in the woods among real hunters.
The written word always carries more intensity than we mean for it to. If we had this same discussion in person, I’m sure we would agree on many things.
The kid’s bow was perfectly legal in that setting. Clay explained that in the video, so yeah - you misunderstood that. Easily missed. I never said that the arrangement of our eyes and teeth “justifies“ anything - you added that - so you misunderstood that, too. My point was just that we have the eyes and teeth we have partly because we are hunters. There is no need to justify hunting, as if it were wrong or immoral. We have always been hunters. Hunting benefits our survival, so we evolved some of the physical characteristics of predators. Even if that whole argument is baloney - and our eyes may simply be forward facing because we used to live in the trees and needed the depth perception to get around safely - still they were a lucky advantage that lent itself to hunting. No one can argue that humans haven’t been hunting animals, literally forever. By far the most commonly found artifacts in ancient human archaeology are arrowheads and spearpoints. The enjoyment of the hunt is as natural a thing for a human being as the urge to sleep or to reproduce. There is a thrill when a hunt is successful because you know you’re going to eat well that night. For millions of years, it meant the difference between life and death - and you see this in every season of Alone: Those who succeed at hunting and fishing do far better than those who don’t, every time. I also enjoyed Clay’s success in the recent season of Alone and rooted for him the whole way. Let’s call that something we share and agree on. Peace!
Dude keep raising men and forget what the idiots have to say.
Oh yes, killing animals really makes you a man.
@@warrenlightning8137 there is a lot more to it than that. But that is something that you will never understand.
Lamar Aman Exactly!!!!! Survival and respecting the harvest is just a small start
Agreed. The kids education is much more important than our entertainment.
Warren Lightning not killing animals doesnt either
People lose sight of how focused a child can be on something they are passionate about. My favorite part from the hunt video was Fen excitedly stating that he had hit it in the perfect spot. This was an amazing demonstration of bow/ arrow efficiency plus focused shot placement.
Clay, I applaud your videos and especially the time you spend in teaching your children the skills necessary to hunt and fish...living off the land. Keep up the good work!
We are not even able to bow hunt in Tasmania any more. Well done to you and your boy.
You keep being one of the best Dads to those lucky boys I have ever seen.
Your compassion and tenderness demonstrated as you lead them through life is legendary.
Thanks Bryan
Please let that boy know he's an inspiration! As a single mother it is imperative that my daughter understand what it is to provide meat for our meals. She assists while dressing deer and cleaning fish. She understands..and That Is a powerful tool she will have her entire life. I am grateful for your sharing these moments and look forward to many more.
I love how you go into detail with your videos. How you make things and why, the steps etc. You would make an outstanding teacher on almost any subject.
Thanks Ken
I can still see the excitement in that young boys face and here it in his voice and he knows he has just made his father very proud of him. Thank you so much for both of these videos and explaining how things work.... that was the best hog hunt I ever seen, I think I had tears of joy and happiness rolling down my cheeks just knowing how great a time it was. Congrats to Fen for a fine hunt...
I hunt and I’m 10 and I shoot a 45lb compound bow I love hunting
Well sId, I appreciate all you do for our sport, especially the ones of us who do it with traditional set up. Thanks for all of your videos and keep them coming.
I'm glad that most of the controversy seems to be about the equipment instead of the typical questions about the ethics of hunting in general.
I started watching your channel because I want to build a bow and use it to hunt deer and feral hogs here in Central Texas. Knowing that many compound bows have very high draw weights, I was concerned that a 40-45 lb homemade longbow (which is what I hope to build) might not be sufficient for a hog. After seeing the video of your son's hunt, I feel much better about the idea.
This whole series of videos is excellent, and thank you for sharing your son's first hog hunt. It is a "teachable moment" for all of us.
Well said! Please don't let the crap you had to deal with about this change anything you do or how you raise your kids. Keep doing what your doing and a big congrats to Fen again! The world would be a much better place if there were more dads like you.
Oh we'll keep truckin!
Finns the man..Crazy you even have to explain but I'm not surprised.Keep doing what yall do, I'll forsure be watching.Happy hunting from Georgia
I gave to say the first video was one of the best hunts I've ever watched. I was proud for you being a dad myself.
That young boy showed excitement and respect for his hunt. His reservation when the hog was found was wonderful. No jumping around or foolish comments. My son was 18 before we had a chance to take a buck and thankfully I was there with him. Oh yeah, I was at least as proud of my son as you are of your boy. Well done.
Great discussion!
Happy to hear you mention Dr. Ashby.
Its almost serendipitous, around the same time the hunt took place, I had actually spent an hour or two calculating minimum draw wt. required to take a whitetail, and figured it could theoretically be accomplished with a #22 bow @28", shooting 660grains, 30gpp, 120fps.
(The target force was 0.35 slugs of momentum, so I iterated velocity vs grains per pound to get that momentum).
I did also build and shoot arrows of 50gpp, 40gpp, 30gpp, 25gpp, 20gpp and found that 30gpp is the very upper limit, due to trajectory out to 20yds. (But 22.5gpp is more comfortable, easily useable to 25-30yd).
So, that video was a neat confirmation that this is in fact accurate in reality. So long as the broad-heads used are identical, shot placement is identical, etc. etc. as You discussed.
That boy will never forget that hunt and it will be a moment in time you will both have as he grows into a confident hunter
Great video! Your son is WAY ahead of his years, and he is defiantly a natural... You can see it in his eyes, and just the way he carries himself in the woods! I LOVE it!!!
A great teaching moment for non-hunters! Good on you for teaching your family right!
You and Fen will always have my 100% support Brother! Keep Up The Great work with Your Family and Your videos!
I appreciate that
Clay you are teaching your boys integrity responsibility and honor in the hunt. These are lessons that unfortunately most parents cannot even fathom let alone be blessed enough to pass them on to their children. I was raised the way you are teaching your boys and I taught my children the same thing and they are teaching my grandchildren the same principles revolving around the circle of life because fortunately we lived in a rural area of northern Idaho and eastern Washington where those things are as you know very common.
Thanks Richard
Thanks for taking the time to put this in place of the ones that needed the extra information.
Job well done all the way around!!
Glad it was helpful!
You already know how I feel about it. 100% support brother, a beautiful moment in your sons and your lives that you shared with us. Those moments are so rare and the fact that you chose to share one with all of us shows the intent and purity of the act. No explanation needed for this long time watcher and life long bow hunter.
I will be 69 years old in April. Watching Fen walk down that hog on the blood trail brought me to tears. Of all the hunting videos I have watched on CZcams, that video of your son is, by far, the most pure, exciting and wonderful video about our hunting heritage that I have seen. SHAME on all the haters that questioned the purity of the video. I will apologize for all of the trolls that questioned Fen's incredible adventure.
The garbage talkers that question the pull weight of the are missing the obvious, as you so adroitly explained, that obviously it was enough pull weight. The hog died and a lot sooner and more humanely than many other videos that I have watched.
PLEASE, PLEASE continue the wonderful way of life that you have given your boys. You are doing ALL the right things to raise your boys to be great men and more importantly, great human beings!
I just had to go back to the hunt and wallow in the joy of seeing Fin getting his hog. That is one feel good moment for me. You sir, are doing a great job educating your boys and the public. Thank you.
Thanks Melvin
Love that cabin, Clay! You are living a blessed life
Right on Clay! You give us faith of humanity. Excellent job Fin! You should be very proud of yourself. No one can take that memory away from you!
A well thought out and superbly delivered response to everybody.
I believe you are doing a great job as a father. You don't owe anyone an explanation for that. I have grandsons and can't wait to take them hunting. I love watching your videos. Keep up the good work.
Great job Clay, thanks for all you are doing for the hunting community. Appreciate the way you handled this situation and it should serve as an example to the rest of us as to how we should respond when our ethics or methods are questioned.
Fen harvesting that hog was awesome. He did a good job, soon he'll be even better. What a great experience
your a great dad to those kids and they are very respectful! Good luck in the 2020 season guys.
Just started to teaching my kid archery cause he asked me if I could teach him. I love that he is really into it
I started hunting rabbits and squirrels when I was 5 years old and progressed to bigger game as the years went on. I believe that it is great for kids to have an early understanding of where food comes from and start learning early how to acquire it. Accuracy is the big deciding factor for whether you are ready for the task. I say great job and keep it up.
Because of your instruction I have become a better archer. Thank you Mr. Hayes. It was a glorious day for you and your boy with that hog hunt. This video break down was informative and needed for those still unaware of the finer details of archery and hunting. I hope to see you and your sons next harvests and learning experiences.
Outstanding, appropriate and well-stated response. Thanks for your candor and reasonable approach.
That was seriously probably the best and most beautiful hunting videos I have ever seen. Showed to to a lot of people. This is a great explanation of ethics and the physics behind fins hunt for those who don't understand as well. Awesome job.
Thanks Charles
I am glad you are so blessed.
You are a blessing to us.
You have all reasons to be a proud dad! Incredible act of hunting!
Very well put. There will always be critics. Thanks for being honest and maintaining integrity, poise, and a humble demeanor in the face of criticism. With Hunting ethics always under fire, it’s refreshing to see your level of responsibility and dedication on display. Thanks again, and keep up the good work.
Thanks Aaron
Now at 71 years old my
55lbs. @28" bow is actually 61lbs. @ my 31" draw length. I use a thumb ring and very long bamboo arrows. I have harvested 50+ whitetails with an arrow.
By the way, Congratulations to your son for executing a one shot kill. I still remember my first whitetail harvested with a 45lb fiberglass long bow.
Well done, Mr. Hayes!
Congratulations to your boy on his first harvest.
Sad world when we have to explain against shooting a hog. I never saw anything wrong from the first video.
@@murtagon4460 Um... huh? Sounds like a line from some bad goth band song.
@@murtagon4460 sounds like you have brain damage!
@@realliving9253 :D thx
If I’m trespassing like that hog and I got my shot or stabbed then okay I was trespassing
I just commented on that video. I basically commended you and your son on a job well done. When you post hunting videos, you will always get very polarizing opinions. Just keep doing what you're doing (which I'd argue is a great job). Stay safe.
I was a participant at 5-6 yrs old....and harvested my first WT Buck at 10.....and 60 yrs later....still one of my most shining memories........
Congratulations again! Being confident in the equipment you are able to use is all that matters. Meat on the table and memories forever! I'd hate to see how people react to how our ancestors lived off the land.
I’ve been watching your videos for a bit now. You are a good man and you are raising your boys in a good way. You didn’t have to do this to defend yourself. Don’t let idiots ruin a special moment.
You’re a good father and a reasonable human. Generous of you to offer this info.
Very well stated. It’s great to have kids involved and have them learn young. Really enjoy your content and what you do.
I appreciate that!
Well thought out, excellent explanation. You obviously put thought into all of these factors before the hunt. Shot placement and shoot/don't shoot is something that comes with experience. I started bowfishing on the Snake River in southern Idaho when I was 7 (1969), killed a lot of fish w/ a 20 lb fiberglass recurve and a 30 lb glass longbow. Including a 52 lb carp! Way to go Fen!
Articulate and well informed response! I especially appreciated the spirit in which you responded to the questions raised. The video of Finn getting his hog was the first of yours I had ever seen. Loved that one and loved this one as well. Just subbed!
Thanks much
The level of trust between your kids and you only a few parents are able to develop. I wish everyone have the opportunity to raise their kids like you are doing it.
What a well considered response! When I saw Fen’s face in that video it brought back memories of hunting as a child, you do a great job of promoting traditional archery and it is a pleasure to watch you and your family enjoy the life that you have chosen. Keep making these great videos, my favourite archery related content by some considerable margin.
Thanks much
Thank you for providing a thorough, well thought out exposition of the facts and situation. Keep up the good work. Flaxen Saxon
Thanks much
Brother you have it figured out!!! I wanted to go off but you calmed me down at the end of the video. Thank you!!!
You’re most welcome
Mr. Hayes,
Thank you for your videos. They're great and I have learned a lot. The video of your son getting his first big game is wonderful. Reminded me of getting my first whitetail with a gun. Still working on one with traditional bow. I want to share an experience I had as a environmental educator at a large Minnesota zoo. I drove a monorail and share information for 15 years as well as taugh classes on many subjects. On the monorail ride we, at one point, went threw the back woods area of the zoo. It was my favorite part of the trip. At 25 feet above the forest floor and the monorail ran on electricity you got to see wildlife at it's best. It ran year around so you could imagine what you could see. One spring day I spotted 2 tom Turkeys in full strut in front of 3 hens. I pointed it out to the 75 people on the train as well as a fawn with its mother and a raccoon that had climbed an oak tree and looked at us on eye level 4 feet away from the train as we passed. I said in me talk that because because of hunting organizations like NWTF, Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever and many other environmental organizations that much of America's wild areas are protected. At the end of the trip as people left everyone seemed pleased. 2 hours later I was called to the Zoo director's office to meet with him and the education department director. Not know what it was about I walk in and sat down. They asked me if I had mentioned some hunting groups on a train tour today. I said yes and I was told that I was not to do that and to write an apology to a person that was a anti hunting person and also a major donor to the zoo. I explained my comments and asked them to prove me wrong . They said that didn't matter. I refused and pointed out the accomplishments of Teddy Roosevelt, Aldo Leopold, and other conservatives that were hunters. Basically I was told if I didn't I would be released. Fortunately I was a member of a Union and my representatives was an avid compound bow hunter. I guess what I'm trying to say, in this long note, is people sometimes don't want to here things that may challenge their beliefs even if we are on the same side. So keep posting the great videos of you kids and the truth. Sorry about the length and thank you.
It was a great video and a huge congrats to Finn!!! I recently posted on Tip of the Week for Traditional bowhunters about taking care of replacement blades on the new style knives. It was hit with bad criticism. This is why our youth your are not getting into hunting is because of the negative response you got and that get received in other venues by holier than thou folks.... Your boys shoot guns and bows and that's great. I commend you for that. If a youth thinks a knife is cool or a particular bow is cool and that gets them in the wood or even hunting we need to capture that and them choose their equipment. Keep up the good work with those boys and let no one take away from that hunt !
Thanks much
I started hunting at 9 years, and by the time I was 11, could clean and cook the animals, fish, and birds that we got in our hunts. I also hunted wild plants and berries, fish and clams, and was the primary "clam, fish, and bird cleaner" for our family. I knew where our food came from and treated it with respect, never taking anything we didn't plan to eat (and even then not being greedy or wasteful). I have an advanced degree, and am very socially liberal, I own plenty of guns, but I do not live in the country, or lead a sheltered/conservative life,. I commend you for teaching your sons about life, and giving them the opportunities and guidance that you do.
Hunters are always saying they respect the animals they kill and don't waste. It's fascinating to see how the mind can rationalize murder with incoherent and irrelevant deflections like these. It's like if you raped someone but, claimed to do it respectfully... and only when you're really backed up and using all the holes, no waste.
You are an awsome dad. I have a feeling you are going to be filming Fen alot more in the years to come.
Your doing a great job with your kids teaching them right I’ve been watching your videos for years I learned a lot from you anytime I need to know how to set up my bow or tune I arrow or learn accuracy I came to your channel and studied everything keep up the great work!!!
Thanks much
Thank You for making these videos, I applaud what you are doing with your children!!!
Finn’s hog hunt was the single best hunting video I’ve ever seen. Thanks to all of you for the great story and for sharing it with us
most welcome and thanks!
Keep up on being there for your little ones great positive attitude, as for too small or light bow for hunting people will always say that no matter what kind of tools used for hunting too much power or to little power is used , good parenting
Great job. You teach well your boy. Blesses from Mexico.
I'm proud of you son. Reminds me when I was his age.
Those archery Wizards will get over it! Let Fen shoot as many as he wants. Thanks good show
Think ya did fine
No worries great job congratulations to Fin and you
Keep em in the woods
1st congrats to Fen!! Thanx for all of the detailed info on his setup. Due to some physical/strength problems with my arm. I went to a xbow a couple years back. Fen's setup will help me choose a setup for a trad style bow to use in the future. And I'll worry less about it being able to perform well enough. As far as a seven year old understanding about life and death! As a society we've lost touch with this in these modern times. Before this modern age, the reality of death being a huge part of life. Was just part of everyday living! Keep teaching your kids about the reality of life!!!!!!!
Thanks Charles
Your arguments are crisp and clean. Well done
Thanks much
Well said Clay. And, though it is impossible to please everyone, especially on social media, I appreciate your very balanced and calm response to those with questions. Keep doin’ what you’re doin’ brother! There are a ton of us who really appreciate you. God Bless!
Thanks much
Seeing this relaxes my fears of only using 40# for deer. Good video
100% my good man. I think everything you did on your original video was spot on. Hogs are an invasive species and do not fall under many hunting laws. I loved your first video and this one as well. I am happy your son made this all happen. Keep up the great parenting and the videos as well
Man I was thinking when the time for explanation will come and finally it is here.
By the way huge fan☺️☺️☺️
Thanks
We’ll put. Appreciate what you’re doing. Good luck this September going after Elk!
You're a lot nicer to the critics than most of us would be. Keep up the good work!
Very well said. I love your videos and love yo see you passing the tradition on to your boys. Congratulations again to your son on a great hog!
Thank you so much!
Great job. A good lesson for city people that are not focused on how their food gets to the table. Well done.
Congratulations to your son for a beautiful hunt an excellent hog ,and for definitely winning the lottery when it comes to parents
Haters are just gonna hate , that's what they do
Yep, I suppose so!
I'm 48 years old. I just got my first bow, and I hope to be the hunter he is at 7. He probably handled himself better than I will on my first kill. Thanks for sharing these special moments with us.