Transformer Mower | Lane Shark Front Loader Brush Mowers
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- These mowers go onto the front loader of your tractor and are great for clearing brush or reaching over the side of a pond bank or trail.
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00:00 - Lane Shark Mower
00:56 - Front Mount Mower
01:50 - Offset Position
02:20 - Differences on this mower
03:50 - Skid Steer Quick Coupler & Deer's Coupler
04:45 - Third function kit is different
08:15 - Running this brush mower
10:10 - Blade spin-down time
11:17 - Refinement to the Front Mount Brush Mower
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I got one of the last TrailBlazers from a dealer near my Kubota Dealer in the next town over. Frankly, the mechanics at our Kubota dealer thought the TB was a better setup than Lane Shark with the independent power pack. We just mow with it straight out front rather than offset. There is a spot on each side of the TBin the back where it looks like you could put on caster wheels in order to adjust to the ground. We may try that in the future. We may try to run a front hydraulic auger since we have a power pack that gives you a continuous flow of around 12 gpm.
welding on a brush guard on the mower itself would solve the piling up problem, thanks for the video Neil.
I enjoy my TB1 with the power pack attached to my CK2610. I have cut 3" material (cedar) . It is not a shredder but more of a cutter. It is very handy. I'm glad I got it while still available.
Lane Shark deck has always impressed me. Very well constructed. Exposed blades are the way to go. Maybe LS should put an optional (removable) high scoop on the top center and right side to keep material from collecting on the deck. Keep left side open visibly.
I do think there are going to be some folks that run a bush hog at the same time (also adding to Neil's lack of tire ballast lol). I really liked that power pack ideas, for the customer that are concerned about their tractors hydraulic. Less installation for the DIY. Just run hoses. Glad M is selling a loader mower again.
Thank you for how you do your videos! Thorough, straight to the point, no bs!
Very good Lane Shark video.
That is a terrible idea. I work for a road department and we use boom mounted shoulder mowers to maintain the shoulders and backslopes of the roads. These things throw debris like crazy. Our tractors are fully enclosed and the cab windows on the mower side of the tractor have been replaced with shatterproof windows to protect us. Selling these to anyone with an open cab or a ROPS tractor is asking for trouble. Even on skid steers they recommend an enclosed cab for mowing. We use New Holland tractors for our boom mowers, I believe they are the 5580, and they are big tractors. Even though we sit much higher than the mower deck we take hits to our cabs all the time.
Just bought a dealer installed LS3, the smaller and lighter unit, on a Kubota L2501. I am happy to report the unit is well matched and suited for the L series manual transmission. I have used the LS3 for three hours now in a creek bottom environment without an issue. ( 2023-9-12 )
I’ve had my LS2 for 8 months and run it on an MX5400. I’ve probably put 75 hours on the unit since buying it. If I would’ve had to pay someone to cut/clear all I’ve done so far, it would probably be more than double what I paid for LS to begin with. Not to mention that I’m on my time and not someone else’s. This is by far one of my favorite implements and I highly recommend it to anyone who owns or manages more than 40 acres.
do you run rear pto cutter at the same time by chance?
@@jakeMTSU I do.
You present awesome videos - thank you.
I was looking at a lane shark I think an offset flail mower will work better
As someone who has followed these front mounted mowers for while now, one fact omitted from the video is that Messick's previously sold the lane shark several years ago. They then started selling the Trailblazer mower, and for a short time, actually sold both mowers simultaneously. Because of the competing companies they were forced to stop selling one, and made the decision to stop selling Lane Shark and sell only the Trailblazer mower. Now that Trailblazer went belly up, it looks like they've decided to start selling Lane Shark again. I'm sure that was an awkward conversation when Messicks/Lane Shark reapproached each other after being kicked out years earlier.
This sounds more like a patent-war that Trailblazer lost, which means that Lane Shark can now sell this type of product exclusively.
In retail, there's no shame in the game. Messick's was selling products being offered on the open market, even in direct competition. Having a diverse product line is a plus for retailers and consumers, as competition keeps prices in-check.
With the apparent loss in the courts, the Trailblazer product is no longer an option, which is a blow to consumers, who previously had the choice of two competing companies. Now, if you want a product that can perform these tasks, you will need to pay the price that Lane Shark Demands, as they have no competition in the market.
Regardless, Messick's will be more than happy to sell you a Lane Shark product, and Lane Shark will be more than happy to ship as many units to them for sale as possible.
The loss here is to the customer, because not only did we lose the ability to choose options that fitted our needs and budget, but we're now going to be completely at the mercy of Lane Shark's marketing department with regard to pricing, features and availability.
This was an anti-capitalist decision that only harms small-time farmers like me.........................
@@karlbrundage7472 yeah I’m all for patent protection when it really is something new but these are just skid steer mowers mounted on a tractor
Trail blazer had an easier set up. No modifications to your tractor or a bunch of extra you had to buy.
We never sold Lane Shark until now. We had one demo mower at the store when we started considering this, but never became a dealer.
We went with Titan (IronCraft) because we already sold their other stuff and it was an existing relationship.
@@kenneysheppard7763 honestly I disagree. We looked at both and the LS with a WR long kit out front (3rd function) was going to be way easier to deal with day to day.
Having a power pack out back just meant we had less options when running our gun range tractor.
Meaning with the LS, we can brush cut on the back with an 8’ deck. All the while keep the Lane Shark on the front, adjusted to cut high offset. Meaning we can cut the big lanes AND the trail sides in the same session.
The additional benefit of this is..should the high cutting lane Shark knock something significant down into the lane? Just chop it up with the 8’ deck on back.
Regards,
Marky
Looks like a great product
I wonder if something like a pto over run clutch would remove the need for the 3rd line?
Such a Great Idea; a front mounted brush-slash cutter with multi-position with articulation. The machine ( which its mounted) running at "FULL-STEAM" is only putting out 9.8 gmp @ 2300psi =ing 13 Horsepower-/MAX! With the "fluid-friction" loses ;Equaling more like 9.5 Horsepower of "efficiency". YEA ,it worked ( light-duty) on very "sparse" & dry scrub-brush but Realy looks like it NEEDS 15GPM PLUS of hydraulic Flow to work properly without that MX5800 screaming it's guts out and "flushing out " 2.5 gallons of fuel out the Exhaust pipe per hour & realy just "limping" the SYSTEM on by. An Auxiliary& ( Expensive) "Power-pack" is Really needed ---/ by the looks of IT!
Can you make a video showing a rotary cutter tun out front while simultaneously running a flail behind to get a double cut in one pass?
I purchased the trail blazer with power pack...run it on a koiti 6010..works great for heavy brush clearing..maintain ditch and pond bank with it..just sayin...👨🌾🚜👨🌾
Needs adjustable skids on the bottom so you can use it in float.
Would it simply connect where my grapple goes? And how thick of small trees can it cut
Maybe check the vanes on your heater I’ve had them stick before
I wish it offered a hydraulic tilt function like the Hardee brush Tiger. Would be nice to trim up trails from the cab without having to get out and adjust it.
Could probably rig one up pretty easy
If you run pressure from. Rear remotes l, I don't see why you couldn't rig something up with a new piston for 3rd function
We run one of these on our 11,000lb massey. It’s way more capable than I would have guessed.
And yes, we have run it with a 8’ cutter on back. But not at the same time.
The two biggest factors for us when choosing the Lane Shark was one, they invented it and we were aware they were in a big IP fight. Which seemed like LS was going to obviously win.
But secondly, we didn’t want to deal with the stupid power pack if we didn’t have to.
Lane Shark matches the deck’s motor to your FEL GPM number. You shouldn’t need a power pack as long as your tractor puts out enough gallons per minute.
If you run a smaller tractor, maybe. But it’s better to just size it right and keep it easy.
For shooting lanes and trails, it’s the main reason we got a tractor.
Regards,
Marky
I'm looking heavy into FEL QA mounted mower. My M9000 has a 21gpm hyd flow but I'd like to run off a remote vs a 3rd function. Do you run off 3rd function or a rear remote.
@@brianmartin6303 We run off the a 3rd function (WR Long) on the front. Which still enables us to use a grapple, which we will need anyway. I don’t know if the Lane Shark offers a rear remote. I think I’ve seen it on smaller tractors however. All you would need to do is reach out. They are very responsive. Even on their YT channel.
FYI. Our Massey 4707 if I recall has 17 or 19 GPM. So plenty of flow for the 3rd function. Sounds like you are the same. Why do you want to do the rear remote?
Regards,
Marky
@@John1911 part of my issue is I have a Quicke Loader with Joy Stick contril and can't find anyone with info on a 3rd Function option. So I'm lazy but might be forced into a off brand 3rd function.
@@brianmartin6303 The Lane Shark uses a control box to activate the unit on and off. Not anything on the joystick.
The RPM’s of the unit are obviously controlled by the engine speed - normal hydraulic flow.
This is done for two reasons. First is safety. It takes the push of two controller buttons simultaneously to activate the cutter. Not something super simple on the stick.
Second, when running the cutter the controller box keeps the flow open. If it didn’t, you would need to hold some button open on the joystick the entire time. Which would get old.
But it also would damage the unit when it suddenly shut off the flow if you released it.
So when you “turn off” that controller box, the flow valve stays open and the blade free spins down to zero. Much like when you see a helicopter turn off its engine. The blades just don’t lock shut. They free wheel.
This free spin is still pushing coolant back to the sump. I suspect this is also why the Lane Shark doesn’t overheat tractors.
The only thing you’ll be doing on the joystick is moving the cutter up and down. Not activating it. On or off.
3rd function comment. Lane Shark recommends, and actually now sells a dedicated WR long 3rd function kit. Funny enough, my local massey dealer prefers WR long kits to OEM ones for their features and design.
And no, it had nothing to do with the Lane Shark. Not for nothing, but my Massey dealer wouldn’t even touch the Lane Shark or any FEL cutter. They weren’t familiar with it and didn’t want the liability.
So we bought the tractor and implements from them. Had it all delivered on property. Then bought the Lane Shark from a LS dealer 100 miles away. They did the controller install on our Massey. (Kubota dealer).
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Marky
I have questions about the tractor hydraulic pump having enough flow for a hydraulic motor.
My 42hp tractor has a 9gpm pump and I don't consider it good enough to operate such a mower. I would prefer a power pack on my machine if I were to go the route of purchasing this mower. Plus my tractor has a LA854 loader, I'm guarded that my loader couldn't handle such a mower.
Has anyone ever developed a loader brush cutter that runs off a mid pto??
Had to add on this one, I work at the biggest kuboda dealer in Georgia. Customers can destroy these things and their loaders in no time. The product is great but customers need to be very educated on how it works. Stumps and other things can easily get in the way that you can't see.
So Neal How many gpm does laneshark require ? Can the tractor give that much ? What about the heated up hydraulic fluid. The Power pack was the smartest thing they could have done for the trailblazer. Trailer blazer may be gone but parts are available. Thru Messicks btw.
I share the concern on fluid heat, it does not seem like its been an issue. The mower needs 10gpm or more.
Long time viewer... I have ordered a LS3, be here in a week.... I went with their "c-flow" option... we shall see... high hopes and all... anyways ... I have seen some videos of folks running rear PTO brush cutter while running this.. hyd front of course... any thoughts on this? I am worried about tractor damage more than anything... and can it stay cool enough? I have CK3510HST ... wondering thoughts? thanks again..
Jake, As long as it's plumbed correctly with the return bypassing the third function valve (how we instruct on the c-flow kits), there will not be any overheating issues. We have plenty customers that run a rear PTO bush hog at the same time. Let us know if we can help with anything! We appreciate your business.
Is this hard on the hydraulic system heated fluid? Tractors don’t have the same flow as skid steers is it a concern
Doesn’t bother our Massey 4707 one bit. And we’ve run it for many hours straight.
But it’s a big tractor.
I share that concern. It does not seem like the mower creates that much heat.
I still like the TB with POWER PACK
I can't help but wonder if Lane Shark will make a deal with Ironcraft, they own TB, for the power pack and the guard patent.
oh yea a deal was made... lawyers made it... lol... you can still buy a lane shark...
@jakeMTSU I bought a TrailBlazer with the powerpack, because I thought it to be superior. Time will only tell on parts, but my Kubota dealer likes their design better. Lane Shark has improved over the years. I really figured the lawyers would make a deal on the Power pack.
Hi Neil, will the smaller Lane Shark work on a B2650 with a LA534 and loaded rear tires? If no, why not?
LaneShark would say no, because the tractor is not heavy enough to balance the off-set weight. It would work if you kept the mower straight on and did not swing it out to the side.
You mentioned something about a flow reducing function at the front of the tractor and I wasn’t quite sure what it was. I bought one this year and loved it until about 4 hours into the job, it completely quit working. Turns out, the motor went out and the replaced it with a beefier one. I haven’t used it much since and curious if it needs that third valve on the front to keep it it from an abrupt stop. Can you elaborate please?
Did a dealer do your installation? You need a zero pressure return or your going to blow the new motor.
@@MessicksEquip they’re a lane shark dealer but bobcat brand company. They installed a C flow kit to my existing 3rd function. Does that automatically act as a zero pressure return…I guess is what I’m getting at?
@@billbowdoin7541what tractor do you have and what motor did they replace the original one with?
Better than brush hog?
There is still WAY TOO MUCH that has to happen to my MX to make the lane shark worth the install (still a great video).
I am of the opinion that If all you want to do is get grass cut in hard to reach places, get a Sickle Bar mower. And if you are really particular about not driving over the brush before you cut it... get a skid steer brush destroyer!
Dude! 10:41 Definitely dangerous! Why don't they just add a safety bypass check valve at the mower so it just circulates locally? Smells like and upgrade 😂
I wish a loader mounted mower was available for a BX. My father has put countless dents and scratches in our 2 year old BX23s by plunging it through the forest cutting brush with a bush hog. It's an effective method, but way too brutal on the tractor.
Seems like it could be useful against zombies.
I like the way this guy thinks!
would have ended in 1 seriesif only they had this or a skid loader with one hahah...
In my area a new laneshark with tax is gonna cost $5000-5500 I have possibly found a pre owned never used trailblazer tbmax 2 for $3500. What is your opinion on that situation
Buy it
@@MessicksEquip thanks. I think that’s a good price also. I did find a left over model lane shark LS2 for $4300
I am interested is it safe? is their danger of debris hitting the operator and causing injury or causing damage to the tractor?
Its attached to your loader, so if your not intelligent about how you use it its very possible to throw debris at the operator. Like any mower you need to turn it on\off while its low to the ground, etc. 800-222-3373 opt 1 for sales assistance.
would that work on a bx23s?
No, too small. A sickle bar is the best alternative for a BX.
I’m not spending $1000 on there kit. Essentially as long as you have a one way check valve on the return line to the rear remotes you won’t have any problems with the back pressure on shut down?
Their kit is quite a lot more complex than just a return line. As long as you're returning to a zero pressure location, you're fine.
Man if I could get my hands on one of those I could make a killing here in my area
We ship.
@Messick's Equipment lol unfortunately I don't have that in my budget right now
Seems like the torque of the weight of the thing off to the side wouldn't be great for the loader, which is not built for a side load like this. Maybe I'm just sensitive having bonked one side of a new loader into a tree, and it hasn't been totally straight since...
Yeah I tend to think if a loader has a heavy weight on one side for a while, it will cause stress on the loader it is not designed for. If the mower weighs just say 400kg you’d probably want to have a loader rated at twice or three times that weight to operate it.
I think that a counter balance weight added to the opposite would be a good thing.
That 3rd line is a stupid way to do that. There is a valve assembly I think it is called an overrun circuit that can go between the 2 hoses allowing fluid to flow in one direction only. It works like a PTO overrun clutch. the way they are doing it looks like the pump is trying to suck fluid thru a closed line. With the valve the fluid just goes from the outlet port to the inlet port keeping the motor full of oil.
Your missing the problem. Once you stop flowing oil though the 3rd function all the hoses are blocked off. The motor is still spinning and needs to dump that oil at a time all the valves are closed.
I think he’s talking about a crossover valve, and I believe it would work in this situation. It allows the fluid from the hydraulic motor to flow in a closed loop at a set pressure, to eliminate the shock of stopping a motor suddenly.
@@lisamstraub Not sure on the reason, but the factory says they have tried that valve and it does not work.
Flat tires
I was looking for that before I commented. It seems like there would be a lot of sharp stubbles just waiting to tale out a tire.
@@lynnmor2101 Exactly.
maybe put a link to what you are tryna sell
Here it is, sorry!
www.messicks.com/attachment/category/36/mowers-rotary-cutters-flex-wings?brand=LaneShark
I would definitely be wearing a safety helmet and face shield.
Good luck getting through to anybody at Titan or having them get back to you... I'm not too impressed with Titan...
There are two different Titan's. Titan Attachments is awful China warehouse junk. Titan Implement made this, and recently changed their name to IronCraft because their reputation was getting smeared by Titan Attachments.
@@MessicksEquip good to know thank you
That mower seems like it is to much liability to operate.