Croatian War of Independence Camouflage Effectiveness
Vložit
- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- In this video we are going to look at the camouflage effectiveness of some of the commonly worn uniforms that were used by the Croatians during their war for independence. We plan on doing a whole series of videos like this involving all the different countries that took part in the Yugoslav wars.
We will be looking at these uniforms in a woodland environment during the summer time (North Texas woods). This video will consist of numerous scenes where each will begin with a concealed stationary position (both with & without the use of vegetation), followed by a movement phase out of the initial position. The purpose of this video is to give the viewer a chance to see the individual camouflage pattern and how it looks and blends into this environment. There will be varying degrees of how much of the uniform will be exposed to the viewer. Some scenes will only expose little more than perhaps a hat, while other scenes will have virtually no vegetation covering.
BIG THANKS to my buddy Bruce for coming up with the idea for this video and really making it all possible. Please check out his channel and support him by subscribing to him, thanks!
/ @brucecamparmament3728
Guys, big thanks to Bruce and Vargo for making this video possible. Please visit and subscribe to Bruce's channel to show your support. He's going to have a lot of future content that I know if your a viewer of mine you will like much of his stuff. Thanks for watching! czcams.com/channels/wfzznRRdLUHwKiMTND49Jg.html
Video is great but its not a civil war
@Brent0331 You guys were given some postwar uniforms from what I can see, at 2:48, uniforms in top row after the US one generally are postwar.
Note the lighter but still subdued shades.
Pretty much what the left guy is wearing for his jacket/shirt in the last commentary section of the video. The rest just seems washed up, not neccesarily post war.
Other than that, you guys were spot on with combinations you wore.
Hey Bruce,
First I want to say that the video is amazing and I've wanted to ask if there will be any video covering an another involved country
From personal experience (I'm Croatian that fought in that war) there were dozens of camo uniforms from all sides of the world. I had some weird camo from Korea (it was absolute garbage but didn't had any better so... it served the purpose).
I'm only half way thru the video and already have a smile on my face. Let's see.... camo, guns, woods, patrol.....what's not to like. Great effort !!!
Thanks brother.
We had camos like Bruce shirt in 2000's regular Croatian Armed Forces... awesome camo, I still love it :)
Crombat vidi ko je ovdje jebote 😂
Looks like the Croatians made a big order at Sportsman’s Guide and handed out what ever showed up.
Ha exactly!
We bild up an 350,000 army in 5 years, from 0
It was the only way. And we where under embargo
We had nothing at the beginning of the war, but we still won
Woodland camo still holds up these days
Marco I think that woodland isn't any worse than the camo used by many armyes today wich is the digital camo.I think its not used su mutch any more because of political reasons.
Marco I mean woods haven’t changed to terribly much.
Hunter Smith yes exactly.
Right, the woods haven't changed at all. Anything that was effective then is still effective now.
Indeed. M81 still rocks today. Not only does it work in woods, but it works exceptionally well where I live in the Sonoran Desert (lots of green most of the year).
About Croatia. Its not civil war, its the Homeland war.
Greetings from Zagreb, Croatia 🇭🇷
Bro was U
War fo Independance, technically and legaly it was a civil war
I wore these, both my father's old uniforms and issued ones during basic training, and the modern Croatian Military uniform. My instructor in basic, who was a member of a recon unit during the war, used to say he would wear this over the modern one any day of the week.
I can see why. The modern digital green uniform is well designed in terms of the much more modern cut, but they decided to make a universal uniform as opposed to a dedicated summer/winter one, meaning it wasn't very good at either and the colour scheme was way too green with way too small patches of brown and black.
granted, it blends in great in grassland and some forest environment. however, the material is heavy and doesn't breathe well and the colours would wash and grey out from exposure to the sun. That was a huge problem with the earliest production batches and it still isn't really fixed.
With all that said, I am still proud and glad to have worn the uniforms, warts and all.
Triba vratit woodland u sluzbu
Hrvatski woodland bi samo iz nostalgičnih razloga tribalo ostavit. Taj camo je pridonio ostvarenju tisucljetnog sna. Pa i njemacka vojska jos ima Stari flektarn koji bazira jos od 2. Sv rata
Great video, always interesting to see content on more irregular style equipment/camo.
Yugoslav/Serbian Oakleaf is a really good camo pattern from the Yugoslav war period but sadly most of it is very faded now.
stay tuned for a video featuring that pattern.
Weaponsandstuff93 its not serbian my friend
Tyr son, I think your thinking of the German Oak pattern brother, there is a Yugoslavian/Serbian pattern as well: www.camopedia.org/index.php?title=Serbia
Brent, try to find officers stuff. I have officer jacket that didn’t fade-away. Ordinary solidier uniforms fade fast
Interesting video about a rarely covered topic. You should do videos on the other wars apart of the Yugoslav wars.
We are, were going to try to cover others such as Serbia.
In the beginning of the war there were even people with tommy guns in bright colored sportwear.
Awesome
@The Military Channel Yeah and in Bosnia was it more brutal bro, my Father was on the first line with m59/66 pap with just 8 bullets.
@@Isak-mo9gj Bosnian lol
As far as I know you guys were the first CZcams channel EVER to give Croatian military and camos some attention. Frankly I think the Croatians and the people who fought and survived the war deserve a bit of attention.
Outstanding video and presentation, as always. As the only son of a Croatian veteran who fought in the war (and myself being born during wartime) videos like these are very close to my heart.
Thanks for that!
This is my favorite conflict to study! I remember watching it on TV and reading about it in school when it was happening. I have a lot of different camo jackets and a few firearms from the conflict.
Awesome brother.
Great to see some camo from lesser known/studied conflicts. Very excited for a series of Yugoslav wars camos, such a mix of equipment. In the past couple of years I've started learning more about this period and I think If Europe broke down big style today, that Yugoslavia would be the best representation of what could potentially happen again.
I'm glad you're bringing some light to this. That war had terrible effects on my family something they did was use painted pipes and made them look like various cannons so they wouldn't just bomb us with planes or out range us
Interesting, thanks for sharing.
Great video Brent ! Like you covered a part of Croatian Independence war . I'm Croat and steel have some of war uniform'n stuff:-)
Awesome brother, thanks for watching and commenting.
Good stuff, definitely brought back memories from the teenage years. I also recall hearing and watching all that on the tube back then. Important lesson in all that, make it happen with what u got. Stay safe bros and keep’em coming
Thanks for watching brother.
Nice video, I'm Croatian and hopefully I'll be joining our military in 3-4 years
DevilDog __ sa dom spremni
Jel ides dobrovoljno.
MG Films ajde ne seri i ostavi se tog fasizma.
MG Films nisam ustasa
Marko Glavan da dobrovoljno idem
Great video idea! For some reason I'm fascinated by the Yugoslav wars. I think because I also remember seeing it on TV and just the random mix of weapons and gear. They pulled out a lot of old surplus WW2 Mausers and other weapons. Just really interesting plus and hard to believe how disant the 90s are becoming now. Looking forward to more videos!
Alan Shook
The thing is, that gear and weaponry would still be useful for shtf. I was actually in my 30's when this was going on. I just started delving deeper into these wars myself because more info has come out that even I knew little about.
Joe Dirt I agree, this gear and weaponry would still serve very well in a SHTF situation like they used it in at the time. Very interesting time that I'm starting to dig into more also. I was in my late teens when it started.
Thanks brother, I concur!
Croatian army in the begining of the war had no weapons because all guns and tanks and munition on Croatian soil were under control of Serbs who were in YNA(Yugoslav people army) on all major positions and levels of army. So Croatians even took weapon from croatian museums from ww2 and in some videos on youtube you can se german we2 mp40 or russian machibe guns
My dad was a volunteer in the war, in Croatian Army. From my perspective as a 10 year old kid, it looked like this. We were living in Yugoslavia under communism. There was a lot of brainwashing like in any communist country, and we only realized how poor we were when somebody smuggled kinder eggs or coffee from Austria.
In my family, friends or anyone I knew, we never spoke of nations, however in 1989 things started to heat up. People wanted to leave Yugoslavia partially because they didn't want to live in communism anymore, but nationalistic tensions started to grow. I still don't know if someone did it on purpose, but for example, a Yugoslav militia (police) threw a tear gas in our catholic church when I was a kid and shit like that started to happen. Of course, i will not go into history, because you will listen to MY side of the story, so I will let you investigate that on your own. I am just telling a story of a 10 year old kid.
That summer we went to the coast by train and were scared to leave the train in Knin, because the milita was outside. I also got first taunts for not being the correct nationality by some kids during the vacation.
This is the first time I experienced this nationalism.
Anyway, we voted for independence, what the constitution allowed, Croats celebrated, and Serbs in towns where they were majority put barricades on the road as they wanted to stay in Yugoslavia.
JNA pretended to be inpartial, but actually, from today's point of view, they were the 7th republic, as the army had resources (money, apartnments, villas, food, work conditions) that for sure it would loose if Yugoslavia fell apart.
So one day I was playing at my treehouse (just a plank of wood on a tree), when I found an antipersonnel mine nearby. I called the police and they walked 3 kilometers (as all the cars were taken for incoming conflicts). They couldn't find it as I didn't remember to mark it. They thought I was joking, but sure enough, we found it. It took them whole day to remove it.
Once we were walking on a hill and saw low flying mig fighters flying in formation over zagreb. Those fighters had the JNA insignia on them. I collected albums with stickers with those planes. Now, suddenly, we were all affraid they would drop bombs on us. Those were OUR planes.
And sure enough, they did. My younger sister had her birthday, there were like 15 kids in our house. There were no phones at the time. Suddenly we heard the air raid siren. For the first time.
We had no idea where the shelter is, how to contact all the parents or what to do. luckily, the planes bombed some targets away from us.
My dad came to my mom one night, saying he is volunteering in the National Guard of Croatia, as we didn't have the army yet. He was a Boeing 737 pilot. I overheard the conversation and he said goodby to us and left.
As really bad things started to happen, he brought a thompson machine gun and a few granades to our house, so our mom can denfend us in case the enemy comes. You have to understand that Serbs had problems to find people who would go to war to Croatia, so they took convicts out of prisons, who were promised freedom if they go. Their targets were to loot, rape and kill.
Later we got a kalasnikov and my dad taught me how to shoot some sniper rifle.
He was still in his jeans because they had no uniforms, until a lady who owned an "American Shop" gave them all the "commando" uniforms, as we called them. Each person had a different thing. My dad didn't have a helmet for a few months. They chose pale brown berrets and designed their own insignia.
They went to Kupa river to fight agains tanks, MLRs, airplanes and so on.
In the meantime, I was at school and happy to hear air raid warnings because this would mean school is over and we go to the shelter to play.
Our relatives were expelled after the loss of Vukovar battle, and one of them ended up in a concentration camp in Serbia. He was like 50kg. We called someone in Bosnia, who called the camp in Serbia, and they connected two telephones together so he can report he is alive.
Some other relatives were not that lucky. The whole country was collecting clothes, arranging shelters for refugees, as we had our own + almost half of million from Bosnia. For a 4.5M people country, this is a lot. Everyone had food, water, free health care and free education up to university level.
My dad brought me a souvernir, a JNA knife and food rations box. He saw the enemy playing cards and randomly shooting at the town from the tank. He saw a mother asking him to bring her son out of the minefield to burry him. He saw a 15 year old kid who asked for a gun, because while he was in school, his house got destroyed with his entire family inside. He said they just went away and will come back. My dad shot an enemy soldier who went to get some water out of the well and never recovered from that. Soonafter, we formed our army.
My friend stole a MIG-21 from the enemy and started the first fighter squadron, with another pilot who did the same.
In the east, pilots flew with modified AN-2 planes and dropped bombs made out of water boilers.
My grandma and grandpa smuggled supplies to our army on Zirje island, which was under JNA blockade. I got an anti ship cannon shell as a souvenir from them, we use it as a two feet tall flower pot.
Then in 1995, suddenly, in a few days most of the teritory was liberated. It was an operation od 180,000 soldiers on a 600km long line of front, with 350,000 people eager to come back to their homes after being away for 5 years. The rest of the occupied territory surrendered a few years later. USA helped us a lot. Well, Croatian city of Dubrovnik was the first in the world to recognize USA independence, and they were very influential in those ages. Later, we sent our troops to Afghanistan, even though we weren't NATO at the time. And USA helped with evidence to liberate some of our Generals from the international court for war crimes. Let's say we're friends.
So yes, these uniforms bring a lot of memories. They represent heores to me. Ordinary dads, husbands, sons, even daughters who went against tanks and airplanes with only a brave heart. Many of them didn't come back.
Here is a great video with these guys at Kupa river. (The TV reporter who made the video was shot by JNA) czcams.com/video/ghBkZCN16o8/video.html
Helmets are a give away. Seen at least one in each scene they was used. Natural foliage definitely helped but that round shape sticks out for sure
Yup, they sure do, I think it should be standard for U.S. military ground forces to have camie netting on their kevlars. Unfortunately we have largely gone away from it. As a platoon sergeant in Afghanistan in 2011, I had all my guys put desert camie netting on their kevlas, it was like that for about 3 months until the CO of our company decided he wanted the whole company to be uniform so we had to take ours off. Typical...
Is that why I've seen a few Israelis wearing a bonnet on their helmets? Looked a bit odd but I figured they had a good reason for it.
It's called a mitznafet, Brent0331 you should do a video on them
Break up works. Mixing camo patterns can be done on purpose and be effective such as in the forest with snow on the ground. White pants with a green and tan top.Great video.
On start of war croatian people not solders just civilians start fighting with hounting rifles ........ one solder told me that you were very very very luck if you have ak almost no one have ak later on 94 and 95 we got some wepons people wos buying that iligaly and we won wor with operation storm at the end now thanks to veterans Croatia have strongest and most modern army in region
Hahaha 94??? Yall had ak 1992 and 1993
@David Pauk the bosnian army had way worse than the croats
@@wertyessadd2071 yeah ak's came in about 92-93. Before that the OP is right, hunting rifles, shotguns and privately owned pistols were primarly used. In the early state of the war money was collected from Croats living in foreign countries for the war effort, it was needed and helped a lot.
@@wertyessadd2071 while the Bosniaks did have it the worse they were thankfully helped by Croatia in equipment and croat fighters in Bosnia&Herzegovina. Also a lot of help came from muslim countries which offered money and foreign fighters which were I can say much more enthusiastic killers.
@@wertyessadd2071 don't forget there were also croats in Herzegovina fighting albeit a bit later then Croatia. Heck the Bosniaks said "not my war", well not until Sarajevo was attacked.
This has got to be my favourite version of Where is Waldo
Ha, well stay tuned, more to come.
Thank you for making this video, and as always, a great video. As you have noted about the odd color variations of the camouflage; each batch of clothing was created using a different variation of dyes. Earlier in the conflict (1989) a more uniformed coloration was mandated but changed policy so you will find more color variation later on. This was first implemented before the war with Slovenian uniform batches then practiced in Serbia and elsewhere afterward. Additionally, it was not uncommon for each territory such as Krajina to make their own unique patterns such as DPM, Woodland, Tiger Stripe, etc. Also, for further confusion, various camouflage patterns were produced domestically and reserved for units in specific environments, such as Krast or the blue variation of Serbian uniforms for police units, while some war reparation equipment from Germany was delivered in the 1950's and 1960's such as the noted helmets and over suits. Once again, thanks for the videos and keep up the good work.
Thanks for the input brother, we love to read these insight comments.
Excellent demonstration. I liked that multiple people were hiding in each scene. Thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching.
Just back from holiday in Croatia. The patron of our vacation house served as a truck driver at a logistics unit.
He drove ammo and supplies to the frontline, at night on savage roads with lights turned off.
He often faced serbian artillery fire and some airstrikes by the Yugoslavian Air Force. Including a few real close calls.
Told us some really interesting stories.
I was born in 2003 but my dad tells me stories about donating money so that arms could be smuggled to the Croats though Germany. Great video guys!
Great job guys 😃 both of my uncles fought in that war im croat myself
Awesome man, thanks for watching.
Brent0331 my pleasure ☺
I like the history you guys put in these videos it helps out understanding conflicts and gear/loadouts for foreign nations used in the past and present 👍🏻
We enjoy filming this style too.
Brent0331 thanks again for giving the time for these well informed and thoughtful videos they are interesting and helpful
Thanks for the hard work and dedication. Great video gent's!
Thanks brother.
For some reason I got really interested with the whole Civil War within the Break-up of Yugoslavia. The amount of Political indoctrination and clashes made me wanna study more about the history. Good choice of topic/ video guys!
Just remember, the countries that came from Yugoslavia especially Croatia and Slovenia were recognised as nation states pretty early in the conflict so it is not entirely correct to call it a civil war. (whats so civil about war anyway :)
One interesting thing about the camo and clothes of one small force was the fact that they got their uniforms from storage where it was sitting for so long it became moldy and the people wearing the moldy clothing got the nickname "plisnivci" aka "the moldy ones"
Cracking as always gentlemen, nice to see new faces! Lots of crazy types of Woodland. Bruce I remember those days as well, it was confusing as all hell who was fighting where and what they had - some interesting books on it - the first picture Brent popped into the vid is of a group of mercenaries (you could call them that back then) from Germany, the States, couple of Brits. To my understanding (I stand ready to be corrected of course) a lot of the lads that fought on the Croat side came back from wherever they had living to defend the homeland. Someone Else's War by Anthony Rogers covers quite a bit of it.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing that!
There were quite a few australians and canadians as well.
Just when I think that I can't imagine what putting more effort into these videos might look like => this video.
Gotta say, you definitely hit the spot with this one! These variations are pretty interesting and seem to be performing pretty smoothly looking forward to the rest.
That shirt Bruce is wearing at the start of the video is real cool, has this modern feel to it, kinda like that multicam train stuff. Yeah, I'm gonna go back to your Cropat video now... I must say it's in the top three that absolutely blew me away. I knew they had their own pattern, but I had never suspected that it could work so well. Up there with some of the best...
Really looking forward to the rest, job well done!
Thanks for commenting brother.
Tbh, at the start, I wore jeans, Misfits t-shirt , sun glasses, and a pair of boots, I cant remember if they were Dr.Martens or Get-a-Grip, probably second one, since I didnt liked Dr.Martens at the time since their soles were flat, and Get-a-Grip had those, well, dont know the english word.
And my mohawk ofc. That was my uniform 😂
Had hungarian AK, and when I finally got it, I literally tought theres no one now that can push me arround. We were fucking crazy, I remember the day our whole unt got AKs vividly, we were a force from than on lol (we also got some RPGs, and some hand granades, that was it).
We had ONE mortar, called it Johnny Walker, since we would fire one grenade and than we would go on other place to fire another one, trying to make it seem we had more than one 😂
We were crazy outnumbered, and about weaponry, yea, there not even a number to put on that to try to show a ratio.
In last days of battle of Vukovar in soldiers we were about 40:1. Yea, you heard it correctly. And during whole time we were arround 20:1.
In planes no ratio, since we had none (there were two if Im correct agricultural planes painted and tried to bring supply, logistics. Those guys had balls of steel.
Mortars probably 200:1, tanks God knows since we had none.
God knows only how we managed to hold it for three fucking months. And we destroyed A LOT, especially tanks and armored vechicles. One road got named "tank cemetery".
The award system was you would get ONE cigarette for one destroyed tank and a pack for downed plane
Yep, it was craziness, we had only heart, the will to defend our city, and moral highground. These are the things we were far more superior from them than they were on us in weaponry.
Uniforms did make quite a big problems actually, lot of our guys had parts or whole JNA uniforms, I really wouldnt be surprised if quite a few ppl died from friendly fire, on both sides, thanks to wearing "shady" uniforms.
Nice vdeo, cheers
40+ years of cold war prep at that point in history for the ever impending European ground war led to some great advances in woodland camo.
Very cool topic to show different camos and to test them against each other in the same environment. Respect from Argentina
Brent0331 You should be a military history teacher. Great Video!
In some regards, Bruce and I are both military history buffs. In this case though Bruce is my SME (Subject Matter Expert) here on this one. This is a time period/conflict he is very into. He provided all the guidance to us on uniforms/gear/ and weapons to use.
I served as a regular soldier 94-95 just before Operation Storm ... I was 10 months and we always had a shortage of military equipment ... but I wore the same helmet you wear .... a good video anyway
I was British army and I was in Croatia for there northern Croatia offensive to push out the Serbs and I saw a t34 with half the turret missing u could see the guy in there operating it and they were still using it
Lol, that's nuts, thanks for sharing.
Antemurale Christianitatis yeah I saw what can only be described as buses with armour plate welded to them used as APCs which to be fair for moving troops to the frontline was more than adequate (u wouldn’t use it as a AFV) but for transport it did the job and from what I saw of there use of tanks they were more used as mobile artillery or to take out strong points not really for tank on tank warfare ( I’m sure it happened but not what I saw) so a t34 is ok for that role,
Isn't that the war that Hillary was dodging sniper fire? Hahaha, Jk, or am I? Great upload thanks battle.
Thanks brother, I think that was in Bosnia though... Close but no CIGAR.
Or Kosovo. It was hard to keep track who's on first or who's on second or who's fighting who today.
The sniper bullet was too slow, cause Hillary was going supersonic, at 10,000 ft. flying her broom.
Haha war ended in 95 but she was under sniper fire in 96
I’ve watched all of your camouflage effectiveness videos. They’re great and very educational to say the least. But I don’t know if it’s just me? It seems that the most effective camouflages are the country’s that had very little to nothing to work with are the most effective in my opinion 🤷♂️. Who knew that the Rhodesian camo is so effective! I’m also liking this camo as well. Thank you and keep them coming. 😁
Greetings from Croatia!!!
Very good vid. like all the others....keep it up!!!!
Thanks brother.
Great stuff man, little known wars, I actually collect this stuff so its cool to see it.
Glad you enjoyed.
Outstanding Gunny!!! A stroll down Memory Lane, deployed during Desert Shield n Storm, Thank Y'All for taking the time out to do this, as always!!! S/F 0311 Rrrahh!!!
S/F brother.
Awesome video!
You guys should make a video on how effective helmets are against shrapnel. I've always wondered how much coverage each helmet offer and the chances of a shrapnel going right to the face and dodging the helmet completely.
Another Real Good video on this subject concerning different Camo's put together for testing. NICE JOB, Fellas.
Lol, the thumbnail look like it was a sequel to Tropical Thunder! LOL great vids brother! keep them going!
I like the longer version backstory part of the video at the beginning and the personal opinions at the end. I hope that from now on you'll do this for every next video you make.
East German equipment was mostly old surplus, since Germany united in 1989., and our independence war started in 1991.
In 1991. we had different equipment, but over time it was mostly standardised to Woodland camo and US helmets. I remember our soldiers, they looked cool, some of them looked like US kids that were in Vietnam war.
Darker woodland camo is still very good.
I remember seeing the war on the news. They always looked rag-tag and well worn but tough people...
Agreed.
Great video ya'll. Very interesting stuff, I'm interested in seeing how the militia of many different European conflicts were equipped. I've been watching videos of the Ukraine conflict, with CZcams you can go back to the beginning where both sides seemed to be in a fight how you showed up type of equipment and clothing. As the fight progressed you see less and less guys wearing addias lol. Now it seems supply has had time to catch up on both sides. Very cool presentation ya'll.
Great video, great channel. Keep it up! Just one quick and important fact - Croatian War of Independence WAS NOT a “civil war”! It was a war agains serbian agression, against “Greater Serbia” ideology and territorial pretensions, occupation and terrorist activities. War for liberty and freedom against serbian occupiers. Sapienti sat!
Nice to see that. Thnx u guys. ♥️🇭🇷♥️
I like all of your videos and watched some of them several times. ... Good job
Thanks
Just the other day I was at my friends dads place. Old man showing me and I was holding the homemade dum-dum bullet they took out of his gut. He got shot in his behind after retrieveing a machine gun "tripod" for the gunner who left it there retreating. Every doctor said hes lucky to be alive, getting a round like that in his gut. Crushed his tailbone, ended up in his lower intestines but it didn split up so he was lucky. This fella will still give a handshake like a vice grip. 😂 He was one of the lads that defended our city from Serbs.. We were 3/4 surrounded by their forces for 5 years. Sometimes we take for granted these lads who are living legends and heroes.
Very interesting video, cheers from Croatia
The one thing you are missing for true authenticity and the one thing I had to do in the Croatian army whenever we were on terrain is sticking all manner of small branches and grass on the helmet and everywhere you could on your uniform.
At one point during my basic, using this camo and the foliage attachments I hid on the ground in what was essentially and overgrown open field and nobody noticed me until they got within 10 meters from me.
wow, those kinds of camouflage almost work as good as ghillie suits! you guys blend in so well!
Morning buddy 😁 from England. Sweet kit. Its what you have to best make use of. Great post thanks mate. ATB Andy
This starts to answer a lot of my questions on mixing similar patterns.
Love these videos. A rather silly request on my part... any chance you would demo the effectiveness of Urban Camo (classic woodland pattern in black, white, and grey) in a winter environment? I imagine it might not be practical to go waltzing around downtown in Urban Camo to do testing without raising concerns. But, I'd be curious to see how effective it might be in a snowy environment. I haven't really seen any videos demonstrating any practical use for this pattern - I realize it is mostly used as a fashion pattern.
I don't have any access currently to an urban area to film. Other wise I would.
You guys rule!!! Keep up the great work gents. 😎👌🏾
Appreciate it.
Good video guy's..
Did 5 tour's with HM.Forces..
Keep up the good work..
I'm somewhat surprised at the effectiveness of the pattern initially worn by Bruce, at first I though it would stand out far more. Also that Yugo SKS was a nice touch... Awesome!
The shooting adds more intensity to the effectiveness videos. I like it!
Croatia never had a civil war Yugo atacked them when they declared independence by the way im from Croatia
By that default they attacked RSK when it too declared independence!
@@DeadzyW3 But it was in the constitution of yugoslavia that croatia can seperate (btw croats had a referendum in which 90% voted for croatia to leave yugoslavia and then JNA attacked when the independence was declared) same can not be said about rsk beacuse rsk was not part of yugoslavia but a made up serbian rebel state.
@@DeadzyW3 rsk is ocupited teritory of Croatia serbia has atatck Croatia
Despite all being a bit different, this environment is ideal for those patterns. Even when I know where you are, I can not see any of you very well. I am sure not all camo they used worked as well. It was a, better then nothing kind of situation.
If you want some interesting things from Croatia during that time, they had some in country firearm production. I have a Croatian pistol around here someplace. I forget the designation off the top of my head, but it was their first major handgun production. It looks like a mix match of random pistols from the time, ha. Clearly based off the P38 though.
it's probably one of HS Products early attempts to make a pistol. the designation was PHP.
It wasn't particularly good or well liked.
Have all you guys in this video served or had any military training? I enjoy this video (gonna check out more of you guys), it's diffrent from what you usally find among military enthusiast. Keep it up! ;-)
Edit: I gather you guys have served, but this was my first video i've seen on your channel so thought i'd ask.
the lighter woodland camo was easy to see but the others are good
ROGER SCOTT i was always spotting the darker ones first.
Opposite for me. The dark sticks out but the lighter one blends.
Great video keep it up.
Thanks!
Tom Chittum expanded my horizons about the Yugoslav Wars.
Great video as always, more!
Thanks, stay tuned.
Very good. Turns out a little like a dark spot on the distance, but "old Woodland camo" still does the job. Cool idea with Yugoslavian war camouflage tests. Nice day and good work. :o)
great job guys 👍
Appreciate it.
It was not a civil war, it was an Serbian agesion on Croatia.
We did not have any stronger weapons so we had to take it from the Serbs.
Later during the war we manage to buy and produce.
It was hard but we have our independence after 900 years at last.
Some consider it a civil war since croats are just catholic ethnic Serbs
The Bare DDR Steel helmet, M70 automatic Rifle, Cro Woodland combats ( body warmer and knock of M65 jacket/ trousers) with JNA leather equipment and Pouches/ Assault pack with a JNA yellow branch Tent wing or DDR raindrop zeltbahn worn with JNA boots is a good early war of independence look 1991 for a well supplied individual, most had less than this unless they got at the War of the barracks loot early in the conflict.
Great video👍🇭🇷🇺🇸
The Bosnian War and the Croat War of Independence were such a crazy cocktail of camouflage patterns. Greek lizard camo was quite popular among the serbian paramilitary forces like the Arkan Tigers.
We will feature that pattern in the upcoming Serbian vid!
ro32643- Yeah, Drina Wolves too. And not remotely just or ethical troop formations.
The Woodland Pattern came from the Vietnam Leaf Pattern from the late 60s and early 70s on the early rip stops. I remember seeing guys who came from the 82nd Airborne in my unit still wearing them in the field in 1989. Some of them were made into the BDU style uniforms. The Vietnam Leaf Pattern were modified to the European Woodland Pattern by slightly making the leaf larger, adding brown and tan, and using a different dye that wouldn't fade out quickly from frequent washing. Worked well in Germany because the dirt was very dark black and easy to wash off. Places like Panama was bad if I wore the heavy temperate BDUs, the lightweights sucked and tore often and had to replace them often. Hawaii was worse because of the red clay dirt that turned my BDUs either red or orange. But they were effective in very dense jungles and forests.
Cool. The brown top woodland did well. Thanks guys.
i had both bdu and vest woodland made in croatia..
Where you buy
@@samonaprid7782 years ago in italy
From my understanding, a group of American officers formed a military consulting company that also trained then to use their artillery effectively. They also helped them transition from the Soviet military model to more of a western one. Their best operation was called operation thunderbolt.
Aside from the history, great video as always.
lol
AM Pendragon that was essentially true but funny in regards to how the United States government want suppressed to provide any support but was able to via private actors.
Americans? Teaching the Croatians, who were trained in Russian doctrine for artillery use, taught them "how to use artillery effectively"? Ahahahahahahaha........
My bad for earlier, the Croatian operation was called operation storm. They were trained by an American military consulting firm called MPRI. This was talked about on a history channel documentary called "Soldiers for Hire"
czcams.com/video/s3oy-ZovraU/video.html
Outer Heaven Paintball- Absolutely correct. Our Croat friends had A LOT of help. It had to be as inconspicuous as possible and MPRI was the conduit. You know, plausible deniability and all that. There is another documentary you and others might be interested in that touches on all this. Shadow Company. I think CZcams has it available for free. Don't hold me to that. Well worth watching. In my own experience over there, the Croats were easily head and shoulders above the level of training, discipline and professionalism of the Bosnian Muslim troops, and on par or better than most Serbian troops. We didn't have to worry about them stabbing us in the back either, as we could never really tell with the Serbs. But the Croats weren't and aren't now the best troops in that region. Slovenia is the "Switzerland of the Balkans" in more ways than one. Those people were NATO-compatable long before admittance to NATO.
really, really interesting
great video guys cheers , I have the old pattern woodlands from yugo... it is an awesome setup..maybe coming to a country near you ...
Thumbs up and enjoyed
Another great video, I think its great your covering non American conflict
Yup, there will be more to come as well.
Brent0331 cool oh btw I'm loving the rpk
I even heard some Croation spotter planes flying over in this video! great video Brent, and at least Bruce's soles stayed on his boots for this :)
Ha! Those Yugo boots are well made.
I got the full uniform at home, with the patch ZNG
Germany made it known to their surplus stores not to sell to Guys from that region, they had a lot of woodland camo made in Italy.
Thank you.
Thanks for watching.
With the variety of uniforms with different camo patterns it's a miracle that wasn't more friendly fire incidents.
The variety of camo makes it hard to remember and see
Thats a good point actually
And the enemy has the same so it is a real mess.
i have this woodland camo from war times for airsoft. great video, regards from croatia :)
Love you guys, great vid
Thanks man.
5:48 gunshot warning, almost drop my coffee
Brent0331 Thank You for this video, great job! 😀
This is only maybe 50%!
There is a few snow variaton, police uniforme!
Small Ww2 German, Usa, Italy, UK, Russia weapon!
All Ak variaton, Ultimax, SAR, Fal Guns! Crazy time!
T34 and Sherman tenk!
Thank You one more time!
Im Croatian and I was a part of that time and I notice you put presentation photo a guy who was part of my unit!
Im very exityng and Im sorry because English is not my first language! 😀
Thanks for your comment!
You Welcome!
0:37 my Unit, 111 Brigade (Zmajevi) Dragons 🐉
Thank You guy s again
Subscribe PNJS Productions Chanel!
Great documentarys of Croatia War! 😀
5:50 scared the shit out of me
some people definatly made a fortune back in the 90s, selling all that east german gear. nobody here in West Germany really wanted it after the reunification. so all the traders had to do was to buy the stockpiles and ship the containers down to the balcans, which really are just in our backyard. Really interesting topic!
Great vid ! Congrats!!!
Thanks
You know it was a good video. Different camos worked well. Nature does dark over light. Look at deer, elk, both are hard to find when they don't want you to.