My Canoe Food - Dinners Pt 1, and Stove-side Chat - Part 5: Solo 4-day Canoe Trip, Spring 2018
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- Part 5, of this 4-day solo canoe trip series, first canoe trip of spring, 2018: By popular request, I show one of my standard one-pot meals for my summer and winter trips. This one is dehydrated and de-fatted ground beef with dehydrated baked beans from the can. Add olive oil dried onions, some garlic and herbs and spices, and this makes a hearty and nutritious dinner. Due to the fire ban imposed throughout the region, I cooked everything on the Trangia burner and Clikstand, and I show how I work with 2 modified Trangia simmer rings.
I dehydrate much of my own food, and I will show more delicious one-pot meals and fry pan meals this series. Dehydrated food reduces pack weight and bulk. My dried food also won't leak into a pack and cause bear attractant problems. I show how I handle olive oil so that it will not leak nor contaminate other food pack contents. Hope this gives you some ideas for your back-country trips!
Some stove-side chat about the Spring Peeper calls on the audio and some biology.
More to come in this series!
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Same here my freind. I have some nice old hand tools that belonged to my Dad, I still use them to this day ..... and I’m going into my 62nd year. Once again, I see you had another beautiful trip.
Thanks Gregory! I don't have many tools, not being very handy with tool sand things. But for the few items that come from the family history I do have, I cherish them. I have an old jack knife that my grandfather owned when he was a carpenter way back. I use it every time I am cutting stuff around the house. That tool must be over 60 years old now at least. I will always keep it handy. In the old days they made tools and many other things to last. Not like today.
A thing I always take these days, are a pair of padded leather work gloves, great for picking hot pots from the stove/fire, or re arranging red hot logs on the fire. I also usually carry a thermos flask, first boil in the morning gives me my first coffee and coffee for an extended period, such as a coffee break on the paddle , plus hot porridge. Letting hot water cool is such a gas.
Very cool story about your mug. Love the pop up sections identifying the birds sounds. Your oil story reminded me of a buddy hauling a stick of garlic butter on a 10 day moose hunting back packing trip. It was to fry up potted grouse/hares. He put the butter in his kit bag which he used as a pillow on the train ride up. It melted. His kit bag gear, hair, face was a stinky mess for ten days. The flies also seemed to like the smell and half his face looked like he had the pox. On the train ride back people thought he had gotten into a fist fight! Thanks for the video.
Lol!!!!!! Now that’s hilarious.
Hi Mushercdn! That is a scary story! I experienced the food leakage horror growing up at canoe camp, where even plastic bags were rare to come by. We were supplied with canvas bags for food carry. We were lucky the bears did not eat us all up. I swore never again will I be a victim! Nalgene narrow mouth bottles are wonderful - one of human kind's greatest inventions! I am Mr. Clean now!
That is awesome that you are still using that melamine cup. Enjoyed the "chat".
Thanks Lonnie! Love that old mug! I don't think modern materials have improved on it. More chat to come!
Still using the gear you got when you were 8 years old. You are a romantic sir! I plead guilty to the same thing. I still have my first pocket knife, also given at age 8 (it's now 56 years in my possession) and other small old items. Cherished items for sure.
Hi Redlock. Sometimes a piece of gear is just perfect, and made to last, so it just makes sense to keep using it. It certainly reminds me of many adventures. :-)
Wintertrekker Yes you are right. Now when I find something that is perfect I like to buy two because in the real world I have found that two is one and one is none.
I learn so much rm you. Thanks for these in depth videos.
Love all your canoe trip series, keep'em coming!
Thanks MWFC! More to come in this series! :-)
Loving this entire trip series. I learned so much from you over the years.
Thanks 2Tiedup! Glad to have you along. More to come in this series. :-)
Great video my friend!!!! I enjoy listening to you!!! You are a smart man!!!
Thanks Joesneon! Not smart enough I am afraid, but I muddle through. :-)
Great to see you back WT! Great vid, nice and relaxing.
Thanks MMRT! It was relaxing, and some of the portage blowdown clearing on the way in was actually not too bad either. I need to get back out again on a much longer trip. :-)
Hey man, great content! My favorite channel and about my speed. The chats are a great idea, definitely look forward to more and some new episodes.
All the best to you!
Jeff Lanham
Another solid video Hoop! I always enjoy the "background" vids - how you dehydrate your meals, what you pack in your food barrel, how you get by without fire. All good stuff
Thanks DaveJ! I have more on those topics coming in the series! :-)
Nice to see something new from you. Germany was very warm/hot too. Not normal this year. Wish you all the best
Thank you FW! Hello to Germany! Its been cool around here so far, but its heating up soon. Had one day on a scout after that trip that hit 30C, but that was unusual for early June.
Very peaceful and relaxing. Thanks for sharing^^
Thank you! More "stove-side" chat to come in the series. :-)
Great video, love the "fireside" chat format for a change. I was out north of Kenora on the same weekend... Not having a fire was a hard pill to swallow after getting rained on ALL day Friday but the nanny state had spoken. Great job, keep up the good work.
Thanks Ron! I can relate to your frustration! When I left Saturday morning, the indices shown on the website were down to moderate to low, and the ban should have been lifted, but I suspect they kept it on because it was the long weekend. Not fair. Meanwhile the indices in the Northeast were high to extreme, but no fire ban there. Unfair again to us in the northwest. :-)
Absolutely loved the longer video and chat Hoop! Packed full of amazing information and tips I felt like I was sitting beside you sharing a coffee. Amazing how we treasure certain items even if to another it is cheap or outdated. They sure don't make things like they did back in the day that's for damn sure. You really came alive on this video and myself and others as you read the comments get lost in your good conversation. The peepers the singing wren all wonderful additions to this series. Keep on rocking it brother👍
Thanks for those very kind words Scott! That old Melmac brand mug will last forever. It will outlast me and hopefully I can pass it down to the next generation when I expire. Up until now, I had always avoided making the long chat, nothing much really happening videos before. But then I noticed many of the popular guys on CZcams do those style of videos, and people seem to like them. So I plan more of the longer slow chat videos in the future. More in this series to come, including some more chats. :-)
Love that you are back out making canoe videos bud! PS I love the jacket man. Throwback is where it's at
Thanks HW! I hated the colours when I bought it back in the 90's, but it was the only colour left that MEC had where I was buying, and I needed a really good high-end windbreaker for an upcoming arctic trip at the time. It works very well for its purpose, but I still hate the colours to this day! :-)
Cool ! Love the Trangia ! The more I use mine,the more I like it. Nicely done man ! Peace ✌️
Thanks Cragdwella! I am really growing into the Trangia and the Clikstand. Psychologically it takes a while to adjust to the silent running. When a loud gas stove is roaring, the mind knows the water is heating up. When the silent Trangia is heating water, the mind can be tricked in thinking that its taking an awful long time, when in fact its not that much longer. More footage coming soon on frying up eggs and pancakes on the Trangia.
If it has pink dots but works, I would use it :) Great Trangia/cooking setup you got there. Great cup story too.
Thanks Lars! The fire ban was a disappointment, so its a leaning curve with the Trangia. Despite it being slower than a gas stove which I own, I think I like alcohol stoves better. No moving parts, nothing to break, simple. Takes more attention to detail for efficiency, but that's OK. The old proven things are a pleasure to own and use. I recently watched your double B 3D printer video that you compared to the modern 3D printer tool. Very well said. Those old school re-loadable brass shells are awesome too, and that method of cutting nail pieces for shot is brilliant.
I've known you almost as a long as that mug :-). Love your videos I always learn so much and get inspired to go camping.Keep up the great work!
Hi Rhonda! Good to hear from you! I can't believe that mug and I are now that old! :-)
Thanks for another nice video. I like my pot cozies home made from ducting insulation. Prefer to have the lid slide all the way down the pot, nice and hot inside and no bugs crawl inside.
Thanks MBC! That ducting insulation sounds like super insulation stuff that would work better than the reflectix bubble wrap stuff I was using. I will look into that. That is my first cozy, and it almost seems to have shrunk on me! :-) But it definitely does save on alcohol fuel, so I am sold on its function and they are cheap to make and I have more material at home for new versions.
'evenin, Hoop; Great settin at your camp. Looked like a swell meal ! Loved the story behind your Coffee-Cup ! Looking forward to your next post ! ATB Ter God Bless
Thanks again Terry!
BTW; Where are you man?? You do the best canoe tripping videos hands down. Hope all is well
Nice one, Hoop, I like the old cup!
Thanks Gordon! That old Melmac mug will be with me forever I think. :-)
Thanks Hoop. I'm sure there are some people that ignore the fire ban regardless of the penalties, glad you do things the right way, with respect for the rules and hopefully that rubs off on others. Perhaps nice that you get to use some of your gear (trangia) anyway. Thanks for sharing your amazing knowledge with us all again. Cheers, Paul.
Thanks Paul! That law is there for everyone, so its good to comply. I would never risk a violation. Yes, the only way to get to know how to be efficient with the Trangia is to use it and get to know it, so I chalk it up to an opportunity. :-)
Thank you so much for the great work you do on CZcams. Your videos are inspiring, educational, and most of all, entertaining. I must have watched every one of your tripping videos and am now getting around to watching them for a second time; but before I fanboy too much, I have a serious question. Could you recommend and maybe even include some links to a few books/resources that would help better orient me to boreal forest ecology? In advance, I sincerely thank you for your time and attention to my question. Again, your careful bushcraft and thoughtfulness are a real inspiration!
Thanks for having me over for dinner. I feel like I should have helped with the dishes... Sorry.
Hi Jeff! As a matter of fact I have a dishes washing video coming up soon, and help is welcome. I will wash and you can rinse! :-)
That setting is absolutely beautiful. A place that is good for the soul. To bad about the fire ban. Here in the southwest U.S. we are usually always under a fire ban.
I think in 100,000 years, archaeologist will find intact Melamine cups.
Great video, thanks!
Thanks Sam! Melamine cups, and plates, and bowls will last forever! The stuff is amazing. I hope to buy more for home as I like it better than porcelain stuff. Hard to find, not sure of they are still making it. Sorry to hear about your near perpetual fire ban in your area. That must be difficult to take. Living by fire is a really important thing to enjoy as the modern technology consumes our entire lives and being. Really important to teach kids. Its important to be out making fire and living by fire from time to time.
I know it’s boxy and loud BUT I still love and always bring my Optimus 111B stove!! Sometimes it’s my 111t silent burner. 😎👌👍🏼
Thanks for sharing! I found Trangia stoves a little finicky too especially when used during cold seasons, it takes forever to boil a liter of water. Look forward to more videos, subscribed too!
Thanks HO! And thanks for the sub! Ya with a big pot of cold water it can take a while. Psychologically I think it also seems longer since the stove is not roaring. :-) Ice out was 2 weeks previous to that trip. Mid summer when the lakes heat up the boil time will speed up. I just need to find chores to do during the boil up to use the time wisely. :-)
I have mentioned it to you before, I love my melamine cup. Tan in color, and borrowed from an army mess hall 20 years ago....would love to get a whole set! No fire stinks but I commend you for not breaking the rules.
Thanks William! While I think that the fire ban there should have been lifted, I would never break the law. :-) Great that you have that old melamine mug. There still is some melamine tableware sets and pieces for sale I think. Brand name is "Mistral", link here: www.mistral-ultra.com/dinnerware.html Its been a while since I was up in Yellowknife, NWT, but last time I was there, the famous hardware store there, Weaver & Devore, was still carrying melamine Mistral tableware, and I bought several pieces.
Excellent video Hoop. That meal looked quite good. A couple questions for you, we see you canoe and we see you winter trek, do you ever backpack hike in the spring/summer/autumn? Any chance on having a deep dive into your food barrel? How you organize it / pack it etc?ThanksNate
Hi Nate! I have done a few backpacking hiking trips in my life, but not many. I do have some videos from a few years ago on backpacking in Sleeping Giant Prov. Park, including one where I got permission from the Superintendent to restore and old campsite. These have been hammock trips, which I have not done in quite a while, and need to try again. The deep dive into the food barrel is a good idea for future video footage, as I don't have any available currently. I will add that to my to-do list. :-)
Thanks Hoop. I'll check them out.
Nate
So knowledgeable as always. Tks for sharing your experience and techniques. Also, new boots, what brand and model?
as a fat/ oil substitute have you ever tried ghee? it is an Indian food, clarified butter to be exact. no taste, does not need re-refrigeration, has a consistency of margarine. and the same calories as butter. you can fry with it or add a dolip of it to a freeze dried meal to add fat and calories.
Hi Bush Nut! Yes I have heard of ghee, but never tried it. Many in the canoe world write about it. I am sure I can get it around here if I look. However I am so used to using olive oil, and I really love the taste and how it works with all the food I cook, that I have not had reason to change. I have not used regular butter for years at home or for travel, having lost the taste for it. I have a breakfast video in the editing, and when its up I will be showing how I use olive oil for frying eggs and pancakes. Its my one oil for everything. :-)
You rock
Hello sir, have watched a few of your videos and enjoyed what I've seen. My experience has been that any type of oil stored in the clear hard nalgene will make them somewhat dissolve and become uncleanable even after just one use. I changed to the single serving wine bottles that come in a 4 pack. Oil seems to have no effect on them at all. Just returned from a 3 week canoe trip with just one cooking pot and I agree with you that a second pot is a beautiful luxury worth carrying. You US subscribers should be aware that many forest districts do not allow alcohol stoves to be used during fire bans. I am looking forward to enjoying more if your videos, thank you.
Dang, if anyone can be trusted to have a safe fire during a fire ban, it’s you. But, I admire your diligence to follow the law. Great video series, as usual.
Thanks EdA! I kinda think I would not be a fire risk, but the law is the law. :-) More to come in the series!
Great video and awesome channel I subscribed to your channel keep up the great work
Thank you WOLO&S! And thanks for the sub, very much appreciated!
I still have a couple of those old Nalgene fuel bottles, one 32oz like you have there and a smaller 16oz. I've been using them for at least 25 years and I've never found anything I like better.
I use to use them both for white gas back when I used a Coleman stove and lantern for 4x4 camping and I'd take which ever size I thought I'd need depending on how long I was going to be out.
As I've gotten older though, I've gotten to where I can no longer stand the loud hiss and harsh bright light from a Coleman pressure lantern defiling my campsite. :-D, So now I bring along a Dietz kerosene lantern while car or truck camping, because I love the silent, warm glow, and I keep some extra lamp oil in the smaller Nalgene fuel bottle to feed it, though I still keep gas in the larger bottle for my stove.
That's such an inspiring camp spot you have there, it would be perfect with a small camp fire; it's a shame about that fire ban.
Hi Dirk! I bought a bunch of those Nalgene fuel bottles, and I see no degradation in the plastic, so far so good. They must be about 20 years old now. A fire would have been nice that trip, but I got lots of practice in with the Trangia, putting the skills to use that I learned from Hiram ;-) I remember as a kid using those same Coleman white gas lanterns, and ya they were noisy! Threw light like crazy though. I like that idea of the old school kerosene lanterns. I have never used them for camping, and always wondered how they are transported without leaking?
You can't transport them without leaking if they have fuel in them, at least I've never found a way. I only use them for vehicle camping, so space and weight aren't big problems. Anyway I drain them before loading them up, I don't worry about a little bit of fuel in the bottom of the tank but nothing that can slosh around. I also try and pack them so they are standing up, and not next to any food. When I get to camp I fill them up and wipe off any mess. I suppose it's a bit of a pain, but the warm amber glow they produce adds a lot to my camping enjoyment...something the pressure lanterns don't ever do. Candle lanterns are nice I suppose, but they have problems of there own.
Hi Winter: yes, a wood fire is nice but I've found that stick stoves & gas burners can reduce a lot of effort & provide time for other things. I still use stuff from my scouting days too. Thanks for a great video. Brian 78
Thanks Brian! I think that old mug will be with me forever. The stick stoves are still banned in our fire bans here, so its a gas, white gas or alcohol stove during the ban. There is the elegant simplicity of alcohol stoves that is really interesting, and they grow on you. The speed is not there, but nothing to break, no repair kit needed. Efficiency is required and little things like pot height on the stand and wind protection are critical to boil time and fuel consumption. My Trangia leaks a bit, so I keep it in a leakproof plastic jar, but otherwise no worries.
I am still involved with the Scouting movement and am still using Malmac dishes. Almost 40 years.
Thanks Douglas. The Melmac brand name is on the bottom that mug! Made in Canada! I have more recent melamine dishware with the brand name Mistral, also made in Canada. I hope they still make it, as its wonderful gear, almost indestructible. I would like to buy more dishes, bowls, plates for home. :-)
If you get one of those collapsible plastic water jugs and cut it in half, you will have two wash basins that will squish down to fit in your gear bin. I've used both the small and large ones to good effect.
Awesome stuff. No koozie for the large pot? Keep your wash water and decaf hot. I have same pots; sadly not as dark from gas stoves. Need to get them out on wood fires.
I just watched part q again. I alwats pick up a tip abou t something I missed last time. I paddle a lot with my partner Patti and we are always trying to lighten our load. In your opinion will a 1.9 liter pot be big enough to feed two or do we need something larger. We would also take a second pot.
Great video as always Hoop. I loved the "fireside" chat. I was wondering what bear spray you carry. I have had runs in with two different sows with cubs, an agressive coyote, and a very large alligator in the last month bikepacking (Eastern NC). I guess l need to get some since firearms are not allowed this time of year.
Hi Timothy! The bear spray I have is only brand we see in stores around here, called "Counter Assault" brand. Its the 230 gram canister. There is a smaller canister available, but its too small for my needs. That 230 gram canister they say is only good for about 4 to 6 two-second blasts. I am carrying a second canister in my food barrel, as we had a story a couple years ago from a friend of mine who had to repel a predatory bear that kept on coming despite having 4 blasts of spray point blank to its face. On a truly predatory bear, it buys time, but one still may have to use evade and escape, and fight back tactics. If I was allowed to carry a sidearm here, I would carry one, along with the bear spray. (In Canada the authorities are afraid to let you carry a pistol way out in the bush where there are no people, go figure!). Never had to use the bear spray, but I have had to use bear bangers to scare nuisance bears out of a campsite, so the pen-launch bangers are always in my trousers cargo pocket.
Pretty much know your cook system already Hoop but appreciate the discussion just the same. I used to have melamine cups lol. I always mix an electrolyte in at least one litre of drinking water daily as water is not enough to hydrate properly (for me at least) and find that my thirst simply isn't slaked with water alone. I use the NUUN tablets usually and just pop one into my 1 litre Nalgene and they fizz up like Alka Seltzer so leave the lid on loosely until dissolved. They taste great and full of potassium, magnesium, sodium, etc. A real life saver for the muscles and fatigue!
Hi C! Thanks for the heads up on the Nuun tablets. I checked out their website - interesting. I will look into it further. I know what you mean about electrolytes and pure water (which has next to none). I do have a rough idea of the sodium I get per day, and can add salt for my meals anytime (Tex-Mex has alot of salt in it too). I am also adding Keg seasoned salt now to meals for an extra nice zest. So sodium-wise I am OK. But for the other electrolytes I have no idea. I notice my shirt and upper trousers and belt getting salt stained, so that is a sign to make sure to take in the electrolytes. I have been exhausted on trips on tough days, but always seemed to recover with my food, so I think I am getting a good mineral balance in my diet. But maybe I will try some Nuun and see what happens.
Worth a try Hoop. I'm thinking more for the potassium and magnesium as well. Sure makes a difference with me. First time I ran across them was at Wilderness Supply in Winnipeg and was pleasantly surprised with their benefits during a hard days paddle. Can travel longer and harder with less water intake, works good at home with a hard days work in the yard or on the firewood pile.
I realize this comment is coming several years too late but I can't help myself. I have the exact same jacket and still use it for the same purpose and reason you describe. I think MEC used to call that colour combination eggplant/teal (jade?) or something like that. Oh man, what were we thinking?!
Miss seeing new videos, hope all is well. Really appreciate the ability to re-visit all the material you have online and want you to know that I've benefitted from following many of your recommendations.
Great video Hoop !!! Glad your back on the water. What fuel do you use in your alchol stoves ?? Thank goodness there is time tested (old) equipment. No need for you to explain. If it weren’t for old, time tested, i’m afraid i’d Have been tossed out a long time ago !!
Thanks Lynn! If I never bought another piece of gear, I think I have what I need now for the duration - all time tested and true! :-) My alcohol stove fuel is "methyl hydrate", which is 99.9% pure methanol (it says that on the label). In Canada, methyl hydrate (pure methanol) is sold in all hardware stores in the auto section for gas antifreeze, and in the paint thinner/solvent section. Its very inexpensive and I can buy it by the liter or 4 liter container.
Nice Video and good on you for trying to follow the law on the Fire ban. However most States include alcohol stoves in the ban as they don't have an on/off feature
Thanks DOD! That is interesting, and the wording on the website here in Ontario is vague, but makes we wonder. In one place it says gas or propane only, but in another place it says gas or liquid fuel stoves that can be turned off with a valve or lid. I interpret alcohol stoves to be liquid fuel that can be extinguished with a cap or lid. I need to ask the authorities here to clarify the "liquid fuel" and "lid" wording.
Try getting one of those electronic lighters. As you know butane is lousy in the winter and using the long neck of some electronic lighters you will not get burned
Hi Michael! If I use the Trangia in winter (which I have not done yet), I understand that a pre-heater using a felt thing underneath the burner is necessary to preheat the burner to vaporize the fuel. The felt thing apparently does not flare up like a burner does in summer? Also once pre-heated, the burner might be able to be lit using a ferro rod spark? In summer the ferro rod spark works really well.
Thanks for the video, it was great. As for your cooking pot modifications what type of rivet did you use and what supplier did you acquire them from. We are about the same age and I have a lot of old gear too. Would not take anything for some of my old gear, it’s just part of me. ATB
Thanks Banjowoodsman76! The rivets are aluminum pop rivets, 1/8 diameter standard, and 1/8 inch long if I recall, maybe 3/16 long? Simple hardware store pop rivets. Aircraft solid rivets would be much better, but I don't have a supplier of aircraft rivet tool or the aircraft rivets here. If I were to do it again I would use stainless steel pop rivets, as the aluminum ones are loosening up a bit. If the nail thingy pops out of the pop rivet, that does leave the hole in center of the rivet, and the pot will leak out of it, so I drilled it high enough where I don't fill the pot up to near the brim. They have sufficient volume well below the brim and the river hole for my needs. I use the pots over fire, so I don't know any non-toxic filler for the rivet holes that won't also burn up, but again its not an issue because I don't need to fill the pots that high. One of these days I need to make a how-to video on drilling pots for bail handle attachments. I have a mini Ti pot waiting for that mod, so one of these days I will do it. :-)
Just started to watch your channel and enjoy them very much. Very knowledgeable and informative . What are the clothing that you are wearing? Thank you for sharing.
Hi Brian, thank you! Boots are Zamberlan Vioz. Trousers are Fjallraven Barents original (not Pro). Shirt is a Filson Safari cloth long sleeved shirt (no longer made unfortunately). Hat is a Tilley T3. Windbreaker is an old MEC windbreaker model that I cannot remember the name of, but its made of supermicroft polyester, which is a wonderful material, and no longer made by them unfortunately. That about covers it other than base layers and socks. :-)
I really enjoyed this video- felt like I was spending time with you. Have you given up on using the GoPro? I am a pot-cozy convert myself. It saves lots of fuel and allows me to attend to other tasks while my supper re-hydrates. I find that aluminum cookware works better with that system than titanium because aluminum retains heat longer and therefore adds to the total heat within the cozy. With using titanium cookware most of the reserve heat is only in the hot water, not in the metal of the pot. If you were to make the cozy top longer so that it went most of the way down to the bottom of the cozy, that second outside layer of insulation would make a big difference in in the effectiveness of the cozy, especially with using titanium. Thanks for posting another video for us.
Thanks ADKHM! Good advice on the cozy. I need to make it cover more with an overlap like you said. I was surprised at how hot the food was, so its definitely working, but could be improved. Go-Pro was still used on this trip, and I have some GP footage to come in this series. :-)
Thanks , Hoop , for another enjoyable and informative video . I'm always learning things here . Will definitely be adding a piece of wire to my Trangia's simmer lid B4 it's next use ( no more melted plastic stuck to the lid from those grippy dots on my hunting gloves ! ) . Glad to see someone else using Nalgene products ; I seldom see anyone on You Tube using these excellent laboratory grade containers . Could it be that people prefer using metal containers that can double as boiling bottles/pots ? I've been using several 1 liter wide mouth (PTFE) ones for water every day at work and on all woods outings for years. In the 80's , all the climbers and backpackers used them . We would put near- boiling water in them in the early AM hours , place the bottles inside insulated , form-fitted bottle sleeves , and even at the end of a very cold and windy Winter day high above the tree line in New Hampshire , there was still very little ice inside . The Lexan ones , like your oil container , are supposedly even better (and they look great , too ) . ATB
Thanks NWR! In winter I also do the wide mouth lexan Nalgene 1L bottle with boiling water and an outside insulated bottle jacket, and it works very well. With the potential to freeze, I cannot risk having a steel water bottle in winter. I have already warped one in a freezing incident. In summer the 1L wide mouth Nalgene is my water bottle when out in the canoe and for portaging. I have a water gravity filter footage coming up soon showing the adapter lid for the wide mouth Nalgene. For cooking oil, I think the Nagene lexan narrow mouth bottle no-leak sealing technology and durability cannot be beat. I think that for canoe tripping, I would rather have the wide mouth Nalgene for my water bottle than a stainless water bottle. If I was backpacking and cutting weight, I might like the stainless water bottle as a second boil-able container to augment my cook pot. But I have not backpacked for years, and have alot to learn about cutting pack weight. :-)
After reading this , I think i'll do likewise and stick with the Nalgene , at least for winter use . Will definitely be going with Lexan for most future Nalgene purchases ( am really liking that 500 ml "clear" oil bottle of yours ! ) . Looking forward to your upcoming gravity water filter w/ adapter vid . Thanks again for your helpful reply , Hoop . Sorry about that fire ban ; hoping it lifts soon . Glenn
I finally know what pots you are using. :-) Wondered about them since I found your channel two years ago or so. They seem to be ideal size. Too bad they do not have bail handle installed at the factory. Thank you for sharing your stories again. Also I have a question. Would using a twig stove be ok during a fire ban? I am assuming not but after all, the fire is somewhat contained there so maybe it is ok. Especially in one like Solo Stove since it is like a solid can with the fire inside.
Thanks Marek! I need to do a close-up review of the Evernew pots and the bail handle mods I did. I get many questions about them. :-) I looked into the stick stove question, and the answer from the Authorities is "no", they are prohibited during the ban. Anything with an open fire flame from wood is banned (even inside a contained metal container), including charcoal grills. The reg's in Ontario stipulate that when the ban is on, it is gas or liquid fuel only, and it must have a valve or lid for shut off. There is some debate now about whether a Trangia alcohol stove is permitted. My argument is that it is "liquid fuel" and the snuffer cap is a "lid" that can shut it off. But I need to look into that more.
I just could NOT help myself on the second play through of the vid - MELAMINE ! Is that some type of primitive cook wear? LOL 👍🏻
Hi James! Melamine is "ancient"! I bet few folks under 50 years old will know what it is. It was a standard in all the old summer camps, I wonder if it still is? Could drop kick the stuff and it just bounced, never broke. Its still around too for sale in select places, I think. Brand names are Melmac and Mistral. I hope the manufactures stay in business forever, because the plates, mugs, and bowls are almost indestructible and are so nice to use at home as well as in camp. Light, and easy to wash up.
Would a small collapsible woodstove (1.5" x 8" x5" when collapsed) be permitted for cooking, it burns twigs and small sticks?
Fire bans usually stipulate "no solid fuel fires". That would mean no wood fires or even brickettes.
Yes Claude you are correct. They stipulate that on public land, its only gas or liquid fuel stoves that are allowed during the ban, that can be extinguished with a valve or lid.
Hi Kanukster! I looked into that, and like Claude mentioned below, any burning of wood in any stove or open is prohibited on public land. Even charcoal grills are prohibited on public land (not that I would carry charcoal). The exception is on private land, or when a private cabin is being rented (e.g. fishing outpost camp), and then there are stipulations on the charcoal grill use.
Thanks Hoop!
I wouldn’t worry about the fashion police showing up to give you guff on the windbreaker!
Thanks Jay! I got that thing way back for a major arctic trip, and it was the last colour they had in stock in my size, and even then i hated the colours. But functionally its an excellent windbreaker, superb actually, and the thing will not wear out, so I keep using it. :-)
would it be permissible to use a wood gasification stove such as a solo stove or a firebox folding stove?
Hi E-99! I checked out the stick stove question, and its still a no-go. A stick stove is considered an open fire in Ontario. They even ban charcoal grills on public land during a fire ban. Gas or liquid fuel stoves only, that can be turned off with a valve or a lid is what the new reg's say.
Wintertrekker ah. Well good that you check up on that! I'd miss the wood fire and bug protection!!
Putting the lid on when the Trangia is still hot, aren't you worried you'll melt the sealing ring?
Hi William! I brought 2 simmer ring/snuffer caps, I was alternating them between adjustments so I could grab a cool one with my hand. So that sealing lid was not used to snuff the stove. :-)
What if you had left a few days earlier and didn’t know there was a fire band on?
Hi TW! That is a common question, and one that is a paradox. If you leave before the ban is on and have no way of knowing it has been turned on later, then how could you know? In in my opinion you are innocent if you left before it was imposed. However who knows what the courts will say. Fire bans up until recently were very rare, and this question almost never came up. Also up until a few years ago, small fires "for cooking and warmth" were exempt from a fire ban. So a fire ban was not an issue for people like me who used small fires for "cooking and warmth". It was more the big recreational bonfires the authorities were worried about. However in Ontario they changed the law a few years ago, and now all fires are banned when the ban is on, and you are required to carry a stove. I always carry a stove for rainy days and in theory if I was ever stopped in the bush by a Conservation Officer who informed me that a ban was now on, I could switch to my stove anyways. I do not think the recent change in the law is just to prohibit small controlled fires for cooking and warmth. One could argue its a human right, and as a Canadian, its my birthright to be on public land that I own as a citizen, and use fire safely. But now they have taken that right away. A fine for causing a fire (which I support), is not enough, now they are taking our rights away for responsibly using fire. Nowadays it seems they throw on fire bans routinely, sometimes several times per summer. Most fires are caused by lightening. :-)
needed more fire, but i know..... fire ban. still though made lemonade out of lemons :)
So, the thing I am wondering, is; During a “Fire Ban” could a person still use a [contained] twig Stove, like a, Silverfire Scout?
Hi Dennis! I checked that out. In the old days I think they allowed that "for cooking and warmth". But they changed the regs now, and the answer is "no", including no to charcoal grills as well. Twig stoves are still a "fire" that is banned, sad to say. They state specifically in the new regs that for cooking and warmth, that only a gas or liquid fuel stove is allowed, and that it must be able to be extinguished by a valve or lid.
Wintertrekker Thanks for checking that out. Seems a bit over-reactive to me. I’ve never had a problem with a twig stove, but, I once had a runaway problem with an MSR Dragonfly (the flame was low, then blew out, and kept spitting out fuel, which, eventually lit EVERYTHING from a nearby second stove).
Can you use a bush buddy stove during a burn ban?
Hi PB75! I checked out the stick stove question, and its still a no-go. A stick stove is considered an open fire. They even ban charcoal grills on public land. Gas or liquid fuel stoves only is what the new reg's say.
Hello again Hoop........not to be the fly in the ointment but... real question. What do you do if you left on your trip before the fire ban, then a fire ban was put on and you didn’t know??? Being strictly enforced with some serious penalties, is a concern.
Hi Lynn! Its never happened, but I think about that for my long trips. I would like to think that the authorities would understand when I provide the proof of my first day in when the ban was not on, and use some discretion. I always bring a stove on trips for the wet rainy days, but not enough fuel for the entire trip, since I cook with fire whenever possible, and I don't need to carry all that extra fuel weight and bulk. So if I was confronted by a conservation officer, and I had enough stove fuel left, then I would be fine. But if I did not have enough stove fuel, I would put it to the CO that its a matter of me eating or not, and its a matter of me boiling water or not, and I intend to eat and drink, so maybe they could go get me some stove fuel, or evacuate me if its that important to them, otherwise I will be using fire to boil water and cook my food....then I would see what they had to say :-)
Thanks Hoop. I’d like to think the CO would use common sense and discretion, tho some of ours are less than forgiving. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and adventures with us. We all appreciate it.
I don’t want to disagree with you but if you lit a fire and it got away from you somehow and the whole island was engulfed would that not be dangerous for you? I must say I am in favour of fire bans because where I live we are constantly in fear of fires every summer.
Hi BecR! The authorities apply the ban to everyone out on public land, so in that way it is egalitarian. No special privileges to anyone. And you are right, its also for the person's own protection, and to reduce airborne search and rescue costs for people trapped by fire, which is very expensive. But the indices there had dropped to medium to low, where no fire ban was warranted. They just kept it on because of the long weekend holiday. It is a debate about a peron's rights vs. privileges, and its an ongoing debate. We certainly know that there are very careless and irresponsible people that cause forest fires and ruin it for everyone. I have been using fire responsibly for close to 50 years of camping experience, but there are no courses or certification of skills for permits here. There are no permits or credential at all required for public land use by citizens. So we all pay the price for the careless unskilled ones. :-)
First thank you for the great video. Regarding fire bans. Do you think that everyone that goes into the Canadian backcountry is as skilled and careful as you are? I think, as you know, the fire bans are really not for people like yourself, but rather for those that are careless, unskilled and really don’t have the same love of the backcountry that you do. Thanks for taking us along. 👍🏻
Last year we had fire bans all spring. I sat around patiently waiting to camp. Then the fair-weather neighbours drove up from the big city, burned their "yard waste" and started a three-station fire. It almost spread but the lake on one side and the driveway on the other spared us all. They were fined and criminally charged, so there's that. But yes, the people who honour the fire bans are the responsible ones who would never start a forest fire to begin with. Sitting next to a lake, with your fire pit on bedrock, and not allowed to cook with fire. Sad that we have to compensate like that for the silly people.
Hi James W! As with many rules and regs like this, its often the lowest common denominator that sets the bar for the rest us. I never leave a fire unattended, and I have two billy pails, and a food barrel if necessary to scoop water and dowse a fire that starts to spread. My fires are always extinguished before bedtime. I built that fire rock set on bedrock by the lake a few years ago, and its designed to be about as safe as they come. Sparks and embers can pop back into flammable forest behind me, but I will be there to deal with it. In fact popping embers are normal and I am very experienced in the bush with using small campsites. I keep my summer fires small and sit close. But as we know, the weekend warriors, sometimes primed with alcohol and drugs that clouds judgement, will pour into the bush on the first holiday weekend in May just after the ice is out, and sometimes be careless or irresponsible. So we all pay the price. Good news is we have had a ton of rain and the ban is long since lifted. Its soggy out there now! :-)
Thanks John, you said it very well and accurately. Its usually just because of the few irresponsible people that these fire bans are imposed.
Peepers are in Vernal Pools.
Yes, as with the wood frogs who use the vernal pools. Technically the backshore swamps that the peepers and woodies are using are using are not "vernal pools" because they are hydrologically connected to and part of the lake, so they are called "lacustrine wetlands". The frogs are protected by the thick swampy veg that the fish cannot penetrate into. Its funny that I saw pike patrolling right along that swampy edge looking for tiny morsels that strayed! The pike also spawn on the edge of the grassy swampy shore, so those frogs better beware! :-)
What is the blue thing in the tree behind you?
Hi Cwetfeet! That is the Nalgene wide mouth bottle adapter of my Platypus gravity water filter. For cold non-boiled water for drinking when in camp, I am now using the small Platy filter into my 1L Nalgene bottle. When I am out on the lake in the canoe, I usually drink straight from the lake unfiltered from the deep clear water. Close to shore there tends to be more critter sediment and stuff, so I filter when on shore. That site is shallow and somewhat swampy. I have some footage on the filter coming up soon.
What boots are you wearing?
Hi Shazzaam79! Those are Zamberlan Vioz. This was their first trip after some home break in. This is my second pair, as I have worn out my first pair after many years of use. Great boots. Only complaint is that (a) the toe area could use a bigger rubber rand for protecting the leather, and (b) the soles are very slippery on wet rocks with lichen or algae on them. On dry rocks they grip super well, but wet lichen or algae on rocks is extremely slippery. They are not water boots with soft rubber treads, but I use them like that anyways, and have to be careful.
Satellites and airplane with infrared capabilities to detect the faith heat of scattered hypothetical campfires... Unfortunately I work with airplane sensors and I can't even think about the cost of doing that... Do you have references or proof of that?
MODIS satellites. They record fires on the earth's surface and have a website. Not sure the intensity that can be remotely sensed. Maybe not campfire size (I think they detect larger forest and bush fires), but what they show vs what the instruments can detect may be different. Aircraft using IR sensors for sure are part of our normal fire surveillance system in Ontario. But the biggest sensor array is informal: its is all the bushplane pilots (DHC Beavers, Otters, and Cessnas mostly), who regularly were flying over my location several times a day within close visual range. These pilots can easily see campfires and smoke plumes. In summer its busy bushplane airspace in northern Ontario with hundreds of fishing outpost camp cabins being serviced by many daily flights from the outfitters. And the Conservation Officers do random flights in helicopter patrols, and in Beaver/Otter/Twin Otter all on floats, and they can pop in for a visit anytime. Rare but the risk is there. They target mostly the outpost camps to check fishermen, but en route back and forth if they saw a campfire they would bust the person during the ban. In that area there are bigger lakes all around me with outpost camps being serviced by outfitters, and occasionally checked by the fish cops. Risk is not worth it. :-)
Wintertrekker ya ok. So they get you while going somewhere else. Keep in mind that these aircraft need at least a mile long lake and fly VFR only. Very small odds indeed if you light up at dusk! :)
You don't see any need for a fire ban, because your not the guy that has to risk his life to fight it... 1990's style??? you actually care what you look like in the bush? You sound like a girl before Prom night
So what’s it like being a simp AND a square head?!! He was talking about the overbearing use of a ban when it was not necessary, You cuck!!