4x4, Diesel Powered Man-lift for $1000... How bad can it be?
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as someone who has grown up driving a Deutz D25 2 cylinder tractor i can confirm that this knocking is a classic sound. My best guess to why that is, is due to the way the engines are build for aircooling, the cylinder walls are much thinner and with the lack of a water cooling jacket there is not nearly as much sound dampening.
One of my relatives has an older Fiat 2 cylinder tractor, had it for over 45 years. Still does light work around his farm, has knocked for at least 30 years and always runs haha, Its just how european 2 banger agro engines sound.
My father's got a 3cyl Deutz in his old tractor and it's a loud knocker even after overhaul. It's just how they are.
@@Klajnepojken Our neighbour just bought a brand new one and you can hear the engine clacking from a mile away.
I have used those JLG boom lifts and they sound 'knocky' always.
I think them being at ear level and having no body or deadening around them adds to the noise.
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Please take a look at the footage of unloading. Just as the rear comes off the trailer you see hydraulic fluid squirt off towards the woods as if the ram or line was damaged when it hit the trailer. Enjoy your channel! 🙂
He has the lines to the steer cylinder loose or disconnected. Did that when they loaded it.
That scared me, I thought he really busted something
The spray came from the steering cylinder, looks like a hydraulic hose can be seen in slow motion, stop frame. 6:20 - 6:25 time
Good catch on the hydraulic oil spray.
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Looks like the steering rack took a hit!
Matt that Deutz D25 two cylinder has a 20-1 compression ratio. The knock you here can be expected given that ratio. Get your wiring all repaired, and hydraulics tested and repaired, and then load the machine and see how the engine sounds under load. I am betting it will be fine. Best of luck my friend!
so that'll be high? is that the same reason the old Volkswagen diesel engine (and Mercedes) sound particular?
Nice squirt of good ole hydraulic fluid at 6:26 shooting about 40’ lol
18:24 Bang bang is an old phrase in the controls world, and often used by JLG. In these lifts, you either have proportional functions where valves meter the amount of hydraulic flow, or you have "bang" functions where valves are either off or full on, as in, function is off, then you flip a switch, bang, function is full on. Some controls are proportional like the boom while others are either on or off like swing right, swing left, etc.
In other words, it's just a term that describes control valves that are not proportional.
This is why I love the internet. Doesn’t matter how obscure it is, somebody knows the answer.
Man! That makes perfect sense! Thanks!
I thought " Bang Bang " was " Fang Fang's " Twin sister?? 🤔 Chinese spies ...🤨
@@garymallard4699 lol.. just be careful what you find when you google "bang bang".. might not be "safe for work" 🤣
And there I was thinking chitty chitty bang bang 🤣
Don't worry about the electrics, i see a very nice and clean wiring, except that the wires are junk. All terminal blocks (producer is WOERTZ from germany) are numbered, so get the schematics and replace the wiring. I would recommend to use a drag chain cable for the basket with more wires than you need, just in case you want to fit some extras to the basket. Greets from Liechtenstein/Europe!
Matt I love your channel its just good clean entertainment. My kids ask ever day to watch diesel creek. I'm about an hour from you and specialize in machine wiring I'd love to come down and play with that boom lift. Keep the video coming
My Dad (God rest his Soul) was an amazing mechanic, his expertise being in diesels. When he passed, he was driving an old Chevy Square Body Diesel he had converted to run on used motor oil. I just found your channel Sir, love watching your mind work around a problem and making it work. Kinda funny, I never got Dad’s mechanical ability, but I’m I’m a decent electrician and computer tech. Got a new sub here.
You can tell how hard something is to move by how many old men come around to watch you do it! Just another reason why I love this channel so much!
💥😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Especially when I offer “suggestions “ 😂
🙂👍 We've got the time and the experience. And a copyright on "Young fella's these days - no idea."
Thats the truth aint it!! If youre trying doing something and you notice a small gathering of old men just watching you do it, just plan on it being difficult and them all pretty much laughing at you until they decide to step in and either help you or tell you what youre doing wrong! LOL
Usually ends with, "I could've told ya that won't work".
Matt, your excitement when an old engine starts for the first time never gets old. Like so many of your videos, can't wait to see it working.
I can see the ad now...1987 JLG 40HA Boom Lift... Rarely used, Low Hour, needs a little cleaning and tune up. Ran when parked. CASH FIRM. No low ballers. I don't need to sell it. LOL 😂😂 Jokes aside, I think this was a win. You got a fun project. either you get a working man lift, or a free engine after scraping the iron.
Your excitement is apparent.
That is a normal sound for those engines. Used the 3 cylinder versions on water pumps in the “pits” for more years than I care to remember. Virtually indestructible.
I cannot count the number of rescues you performed. I still am amazed and i feel i learn every time.
Don't worry about the noise. All the air cooled diesels I have seen are VERY noisy with no water jacket to dampen the noise. All that wiring is just "education" for you. I actually enjoy it.
Matt, if you ever get to that point, Dirt Perfect was able to come up with new control panel decals for his lift. He’s got a video or two about the work he did on it.
HEY MATT ! Hell yeah! Saturday morning , a cup of Coffee and a new Diesel Creek video makes for a great start to the weekend.
I can agree with you working 6 days 1 day off got my coffee potatoes eggs spam and a new diesel Creek video good start for the day thanks Matt
Anyone els se the Mouse that ran for its life at 13:10
It always puts a smile on my face when i see a Motor from my Hometown "Ulm" fire up.
Deutz is a company from Ulm, Germany. The Logo of Deutz is the Tower of the highest Church Tower in the World, the "Ulmer Münster"
still enjoy watching u bring back old equipment to life
I love to see his excitement when he gets a machine to run. She's hummin along like a $2 watch.
Matt, I'm a industrial journeyman electrician just get a correct single line wire print. From what you have shown us the wiring doesn't look that bad for the age of the lift. I've worked on mobile equipment electrical issues before but I've done it behind closed doors so others wouldn't see or know what I was doing due to safety, these rental companies don't want you touching these unit. Great video.
Have to love the old stuff. Wiring looks shot, wiring exposed, dirt everywhere yet still runs. My wife is like why do you have these old Snapper lawnmowers that you tinker with? Me because I paid $10-$20 for each and with very little in parts I get them running, paint them up and I have a fleet! LOL
Nice vid Matt. I bought an old JLG lift earlier this year and have several videos on it. Once you get the engine sorted, I’m betting the controls will have issues. Very likely many problems, but a common issue is with the potentiometers. I replaced mine in a video so that will probably help if you need to do the same. Get that old girl back in the game!
while watching this video, I was thinking of your video. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your channel too.
I was thinking the same. Just watched FarmCraft rebuild a JLG. Cool to see you guys help each other.
@@ericbell5272 good eye😂👍
@@ericbell5272 I didn’t but went back and saw it.
I was going to comment on yours. Matt seems to have you beat in spades!
Matt don't be scared of the wiring! I would say from the boom lift remote controls to the engine bay go with a multicore you will feel better about this and is easy to secure than a whole "bunch of wires". I would say if you can get a schematic you are "downtown". Great stuff I think I am almost as pleased as you when you get something sorted!
Boom lift electrics are rather simple as machine controls go. Get out the drawings and study.
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Matt is a brighter-side personality for sure. One doesn't need to understand mechanicals to enjoy and take something away from his videos. On so many occasions when Matt tackles what appears to be a lost cause, I say to myself "Matt, what are you thinking?" only to come around later impressed and looking to the brighter side of my own every day things. 👍🏼
I'd be happy as a clam when ya can buy junk with CZcams money lol
Glad to see it at least running.
That's just what these engines sound like. We have a number of generators with F2L and F3L series Deutz diesel engines, they all kind of sound like this.
Mat, watch the video at 6:24 as the cherry picker comes off the trailer, you will see a spray of hydraulic oil coming from the centre where the steering rams are connected. Looks like you have a blown line or ram seal there.
This lift will certainly be a huge project! Might be worth it though!! It'll certainly be useful! I cannot express how much I love these "will it start" vids! Thank you!
When he opened that panel I was like... "wtf👀😳! This is getting interesting 😂😂
Chain sux for towing a stuck unit. Old farm trick is a loop of chain thru an old tire and a chain from that to the tow unit - doubles the,pull. Nowadays we have incredibly strong nylon straps that have stretch, so no tire needed.
Look up Matt's off-road recovery on the tube- you'll be addicted, and he sells a great, strap set too.
Seeing your smile when it first turned over & your advice to everyone to find something that brings them joy/excitement is priceless!
Turbo whistle from the truck Rocks
I bought an old trenches several years ago with backhoe & Duetez deisle and it sounded the same and would bury a 4ft trenches. God job!
Wow that little Air cooled diesel Runs supper well Matt 39:11 @Diesel Creek
You have a talent for entertaining and encouraging others with your videos. You make it look so easy that we cannot appreciate the amount of your time that it takes to produce the camera product in addition to the editing. My hat is off to you. Your friends have to be envious of your successes, they are lucky that you are not a boaster and value their friendship. Looking forward to seeing many many more of your videos.
I’ve been thinking this for awhile. I could not have said it better.
Dear Matt James,
As always you know how to get old abandoned machines running. This man-lift is for the price you’ve bought this vehicle worth to make a refit and for sure that one of your friends who has more knowledge of electrical will be able to fix this part of the machine. We wish you lots of success with all your ongoing projects and we wish you, Eva Marie and your complete family all the happiness of the world plus we send you love from the Netherlands.
Best regards,
Willeke and Dick de Graaff
A trick I learned from a friend a long time ago is to use a thick walled steel pipe big enough for the chain to go through and just make sure you leave enough on both ends to hook to whatever (but not too much!) and then you can push/pull or keep stuff from rolling towards you. Works a treat.
Nah you been watching SleeperDude's channel
That is a pretty good idea
@@angryyank I don't even know who that is but I'll check them out now, thanks!
OH MY, Its started. I'm raising my hands in "YES" and happy. Lots of fun!
I have never worked on any equipment as large and complicated as the stuff that you work on but, I do get the same feelings of excitement and satisfaction whenever I get a smaller (blower, chainsaw, splitter, snowblower, etc.), neglected piece of equipment running. It absolutely makes the time spent, and the head scratching along the way, well worth it. Thanks for taking us along.
I have the same feeling when I try repairing old tube radios and analogue cameras, NOW I get a complete buzz when Matt gets an old diesel engine working, love every minute. Cheers.
I always had the same reaction when my program started working. I was always happy that when it crashed it couldn't harm me. That's why I never worked on spacecraft control systems.
Matt I broke my right leg yesterday but when that motor kicked off I felt no pain, your video is good medicine for me today,, when you express happiness the moment it kicked off it made me happy as well, looks like you have lots of work ahead on this project so I wish you well
Bummer hope you get better soon
@@allen5317 Thank you for your well wishes,, You can see my broken leg on my CZcams channel, mack's live action videos,,czcams.com/video/UCLHqmdyGsU/video.html
Will Santa still make it to Christmas this year then?
We're not going to have this much fun trying to revive the battery cars of the future. Love the classics. So much fun trying to make old things go.
13:10 mouse exits from a left side hole
32:09 engine makes cartoon noises
34:25 kinda success
My first car was an '80 diesel Rabbit. Sounded like a box of wrenches riding a pogo stick, and it had 1,300 miles on it when I got it. But it ran forever. Was great for driving to school from Maine to Boston.
Matt, you really got lucky with all those bare wire parts not catching fire. The diesel engine itself only uses a small portion of them, but some of those bad wires must have been carrying battery voltage and rusty ground was all around.
"That noise sounds less than stellar "!
I'm going to use that one myself. Beautiful.
2:23 Boy, I don't know if it chuckled at you BUT I SURE DID ! That thing did not budge an inch ! 👌🤣
The joy is written all over your face - it goes! It's the little things that count - great job.
Love to wake up on Saturday, get my coffee and breakfast ready, and see a new vid notification from Matt's DC channel. ...Couldn't make my weekend better. 😆
That diesel sounds very unique Matt 34:59 @Diesel Creek
Now how are things like the bucket, and boom going to be.Now for the next few episodes.
Been a long time since I have been around the Deutz engines, but if I remember correctly this engine sounds about right. Again, it has been a long time. Congrats on getting it running and thanks for sharing.
Been watching you for awhile now and at this point, I think you may be able to get just about anything running. Pretty impressive.
For anyone reading this, cause Diesel ain't got time to read it, Diesel is by far a great exceptional diesel mechanic. I'm a shade tree diesel mechanic and learnt a lot from these diesel videos. This video beats the outboard boat motor stuff. Eaglegards...
"Healing weeds!" Great quote!
Coming from an industrial maintenance background, next time you need to clean a panel out like that I would vacuum it rather than blow it out, you could potentially risk blowing dust and debris into that type of terminal strip causing arcing and shorts or potentially even fire. That said, I definitely enjoyed this video, looking forward to seeing more!
Awesome Matt. I can feel your excitement! Nothing better than bring old Iron back to life.
did I miss something or did you get your shop built?
Old lift mechanic here. foam filled tires are the way to go on your lift! great video!
As someone who has worked in aerial lifts, bucket trucks and road climbing systems my entire adult life there is one thing you don’t want to buy cheap or in rough condition that is something that supports your body at a hight greater than ten feet off the ground. Getting stuck in the air or having one let down on you can either be a bad day or your last day
I understand about ALL equipment being crazy expensive right now, BUT shouldn't the owner have paid YOU $1000 to take it awwy? Gosh, you are amazing, Matt! Simply amazing! Love the videos.....thank you for posting!
Everybody has a " Value " to something they own...it isn't expected to get it Free... when you go looking you need to have a budget..free isn't always an option or the best price...
No, they could have cut it up for scrap and probably gotten. Couple thousand
That thing should have a quite good value in scrap metal alone.
A common rule of thumb for old machines, which are obsolete but in decent working order, is to start the negotiation around double the scrap metal price. Then find arguments, why it should be more or less.
This machine is quite rought, so I would probably offer only sligthly over scrap metal price. With scrap metal being quite expensive currently, he probably got a good deal.
No joke I literally woke up this morning not an hour ago, thinking I hope there is a good long diesel Creek episode out that I can chill in bed and enjoy this morning and have breakfast lol. Thank you so much! One of my top 5 CZcams channels forsure!
Get together with Mustie 1.
He recently went through and rewired a bucket truck, similar controls.
If nothing else, you two could share notes.
As soon as you get that thing running please give it a paint job. 😀😃
Don't forget that hose that blew when you unloaded it.
Possibly on the steering.
I really like watching this guy he's not afraid to get his hands dirty
Matt - have you ever thought about digging/building a loading dock? Basically a hole that you can back the trailer into, so things like this can roll off on the same level as the trailer's deck?
It would need edge-support, perhaps some square railroad ties across the back-edge. Cheap way to make offloading a bit less risky.
That just sounds like making a pond :)
@@PiFe00 Good point - perhaps a loading ramp then?
Way to hang in there Matt, love it when you get something running that's been sitting for a while from the smallest lawn mower engine to the biggest tractor you can dig out of the woods, always gets the same reaction, it never gets old, thanks, man.
GOOD! They can learn something from Matt and maybe they will have a trade some day.
I have rebuilt one similar. There is an orange pimple thing in the bottom of the electrical cabinet. That is a tilt safety switch. That will cause you no end of trouble. Throw it away. There are micro switches on the controls that activate the pump. They all need to be working. The proportional hydraulic valves are a nightmare. Don't desisembel the electric part of the valve. they are a bastred to set up correctly. Good luck. A very useful machine.
"BANG BANG DUMP" sounds strange, glad somebody knows what it is.Persistence pays off! 2B continued----
6:20 When the wheel fell off the ramp, oil shot out of something in the rear axle. Hope you saw that.
The spray came from the steering cylinder, can be seen in slow motion, stop frame.
While lying down in camper trailer, I want to say thank you. You take me from my world to your interesting. It has help me not think of losing everything I have to Hurricaine Ian. Love your videos.
Usually when changing filters, it's part of a general servicing to change the oil as well. If that holds true here, then with 1522 hours on the air filter, and if the hour meter is working correctly, that clip you showed of it said 1530 hours. Which means it was only ran for approx 8 hours since servicing. Which means that oil is still relatively "new" aside from the 10+ years it was sitting!!!!:) Just a thought for you Matt!!!
Cheers, Al
I wish I had the money to really support you, but these days, on social security, there isn't much left over but I sincerely love your channel.
Awesome! This sounds like a candidate for an electrical overhaul in the new shop. Lots of light and out of the weather makes it easier to diagnose and repair those wires and any bugs you might find. Did I notice a hydraulic spray from the steering gear just as it dropped down off the trailer? Looking forward to the follow up.👍🏻🇨🇦
I've owned, worked on and fixed the Deutz engines and they always sound like they have a rod knock. Had one that actually had a rod knock and had the crank rewelded/ground(1/8" slop) and even after it was rebuilt sounded like a rod knock. There is a definite sound difference when a rod/bearing let go and I did not hear that on yours. I attribute it to the unjacketed cylinder walls(no water cooling) so you are getting the full sound of combustion.
all diesel engines sound like they have knock
Remember, diesels rely on the heating of compression to fire. Too slow of a revolution will not build adequate heat. Slow cranking does no diesel any favors.
Knowing your luck Matt, you might plan on pulling any starter on a new piece you get and freshening it up haha
My first thought was “Lift Pump” when it wasn’t getting fuel after you had it started. The ONLY reason I thought that was because of watching your videos! Love your content, I’ve learned a lot. Keep it up!
Having worked on Grove manlifts for 8 years or so, from what i remember them engines did sound like that, then they changed them to Hatz engines, awesome find and good luck with the electrics, hopefully not so bad..👍
Really amazed at your mechanical ability Matt!
I don't know if it's my German ancestry or just the simplicity, but I love the Duetz engines. Don't love the sound, but they just work! Used to have an older Duetz tractor that would run flat out all day in 45 degree heat where the newer John Deere would clog a radiator and be down half the day
Matt, we have a 1982 60 foot JLG with an F3l912 Deutz at work. Had a harness laying on a hydraulic hose. I was working on something 26 feet off the ground and came down to get something and smelled something wrong. I asked ," Is there supposed to be orange fire in the engine compartment? I shut down and the fire went out. I had to splice 14 wires including the offenfing 12 volt feed and also replace the hose as the short melted the steel braid. Glad I came down when I did. If you need new proportional controllers, ours were obsolete by JLG, but still readily available from PQ controls. They build to order. Also, the alternator working with the start cut out relay can drive you nuts thinking you have a bad starter or something in the system. We needed an alternator and OEM Bosch alternators are expensive.
Hey Matt, I too was initially concerned about the knock, but once running it settles into a pretty normal rattle for an air-cooled. You'll obviously want to run it up to temp, but I'm way less concerned once you got it to run a bit
yeah that 'thunk' it made while cranking was a bit disconcerting, but that went away entirely once it ran on both cylinders. Sounds perfectly happy now.
its good to know that Carhart makes a N95 sweatshirt. I use the same.
I spent 20 years repairing aerial equipment. Looks like a fun project.
Good job matt sounds good
I have been waiting for this video for a long time, now. I was a jlg certified mechanic for sunbelt rentals for over ten years. Let me know if you need any pointers. Love the channel! ❤
I learned so much from you about not being afraid to fix heavy machines. Thank you.
I've actually done a bit of work on these. That wiring is actually great compared to a lot I've seen.
I can't believe you actually paid for it! Around my place they are sold for scrap value. Every x hours or x years they need to be completely stripped down and checked for cracks in the frame and have the hydraulic pump rebuilt and it costs $15,000. So at about 15 years they are stripped for parts of sold for scrap.
As for the "wiring issue" it's rarely ever a wiring issue. It'll be a sensor. There are 1000 sensors in these things and all it takes is a corroded terminal or bit of mud to stop a sensor working and the machine won't work.
6:00 saw a squirt of fluid when it came off the trailer (had to replay it to make sure) Hurt Something! Healing Weeds HAW HAW HAW! 35:00 HOW do you keep starting these old engines?? Your knowledge amazes me (but your luck astounds me). The best part is your enthusiasm, its contagious! Its 3am, I gotta go to Bed!
Better call Wes for the wires. 😆 Good job Matt !👍
Good call...Wes is a wiring guru.
Yeah no kidding Watch Wes Work could make a cinematic movie. Complaining about the wiring as he performs his magic. He is a wiring wizard!!!
One thing I’ve always noticed when you do those high speed driving shots is how well the civil engineering on the roads are by how the banking of the turns are that you never really notice when your driving at normal speeds! There’s something to be said about that skill set!
I think some of the banking could be from the suspension, too
@@XlrationMedia so your saying the vehicles have active suspension and lean into the turns? Buddy I’ve been a race car builder for over 40 years and that ain’t how it works!
If the machine has been sitting the seal on the top of the hydraulic tank will be bad. Since it is flat on top it will funnel water in. We had over a foot of ice in the bottom of a winter project we did at work. That engine will out live you, they are awesome.
Good rig to have, The engine is probably fine. sounds good to me. Address the starter. Charge the battery and clean the connections. They will not start when running slow. Make sure you change the V-belts. They cool the engine. Then one wire at a time. No diesels like either. I have seen it split blocks in two. You have stuck rings and the excessive starts and the either just wash down the cylinders. Have fun I know how much you love it. Oh Paint it same colour as Christine. She is looking for a buddy.
Great video Matt. it's always a great moment when an engine is on it's first run after years. Diesel knock is the clanking, rattling sound emitted from a running diesel engine. This noise is caused by the compression of air in the cylinders and the ignition of the fuel as it is injected into the cylinder. This is much the same as a gasoline engine suffering from pre-ignition or spark knocking. Sounds a bit like a Lanz Bulldog steam engine 🙂 Btw, what is the story on the new workshop?
Going up now
@@DieselCreek Great news!
With the new building construction, a working man lift will pay dividends.
Sound about right for that engines . The fuel injector pumps on those things do have thing for becoming sticky. Think it's the same ones that need a pin installed before refitting the pumps then it removed when properly seated. Great vid do love the old dogs that still have practical life in them. Make sure the tilt switch works as it might stop play if it's buggered. Stay safe 🏴
The fastest approach for the wiring would be cut wires like 1/2" from the terminals, soldering a new wire and covering with a piece of heat shrink tube. But event with fast soldering skills it would take a day to redo just the box above the battery, not including the boom control box.
The Diesel Engine sounds normal at idle, mid speed and really good and smooth at rated rpm’s. I think the engine is solid, electrical and hydraulic will be the gremlins. Wires and hoses is where the money will be spent. Good luck, Thanks Matt.
After engine hell comes electrical wiring hell and hydraulic hell .
This will be a really fun one .
Have a lot of time running similar lifts , even up to 90' ones , 30 years ago .
Always wanted to see the reaction on the security guards faces when the cameras they were monitoring ( 20' up on light poles .) suddenly showed someone in a halloween mask looking back at them from 3' away .
I never got the lift in the field of view .
All I ever heard was that masks were not to be worn while on the job , in a department memo , lmao .
Anyway , hope to see this old heap back in action and not billowing magic smoke like an old British sports car .
You are an absolute genius to be able to work on anything and get it running. We love your posts.
Good going.
your enthusiasm over things is refreshing. good content.
Reminds me of our old Deutz 30 06. It hated cold weather and that was all you were getting out of it on a cold morning, even with a block heater and glow plugs. Even when we parked it in the doorway of the barn where the morning sun would hit it, it still didn't want to start. If you could ever get it to go, it was fine. Once it got the least bit of heat from running, it would run all day. We got really good at rolling 5x5 bales out to the cattle by hand. Your joy when these machines start is quite infectious. It just sounds like a Deutz. Our tractor sounded like that. I don't know if it is the same motor, but it has the same sound. Compare the sound to the motor on your soil compactor. Its a Deutz too, isn't it?