What You Need To Know 2022 HobbyWing Max8 G2 and Max4 ESC
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- čas přidán 24. 04. 2022
- Hobbywing recently announced the NEW Max 8 ESC and Motors as well as the gigantic and very pricy Max 4 ESC and Motors. In this video we take a look at everything there is to know about both!
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Something I missed is that both of these ESCs also do 8.4 volts on the BEC! Definitely another awesome upgrade :-)
What kind of Amperage are those BEC's?
Specs say 15a but ive always found them to be a bit over rated.
Nice update when coming out
@@paulclancy2404 not sure. They technically appear to be available already on the global hobbywing website but they're all sold out so I don't know if that means that they never were available or if they just sold out of the stock that they had. I would imagine that they'll be available from other retailers in a couple weeksish. Thanks for watching and if you enjoyed the video A sub is appreciated :-)
I'm sold on the max 4 placed my order today. Hobbywing stepped up the game big time...
Nice! What are you going to put it in? Thanks for watching if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated :-)
@@DoRC i got it delivered last week it's going into my 1/5 aluminum and carbon fiber touring porsche fully customized setup.
@@alphaplus4162 nice!
Awesome rundown of what we can expect!
Thanks! Can't wait to get one
That Max4 is a BEAST! I’m pumped
Yeah its pretty serious hardware:)
I wish I saw this video earlier! I was reading about these on the website this morning. I'm a "why read the book when there's a movie?" kind of guy 🤣🤣. But in all seriousness... these will be awesome. I'm definitely going for the Max8 G2 when I start my Typhon build 💪🏿
Liked and subscribed 👊🏿
For sure. That's why I make these videos. I do all the boring research and try to distill it down and do a few minutes for everybody else :-). Thanks for watching and subscribing!
Can’t wait for this
Yeah there's some nice improvements. What do you think about the max 4?
Oh, nice. Love that it’s sensored now!
Yeah I think it's a great upgrade! What do you think about the max 4?
A sensored max5 would be nice.
I bet hobbywing well be updating all of the line over time to match these specs. Who knows how long it'll take them though.
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uuh man,that max4 is a beast i guess!👍🏻🤩💪🏻 i like there new sensored systems!👍🏻
For sure. Make sure you check out my giveaway in the last video :-)
Hope max5 and max6 get updated also
I'm sure they will eventually.
That max 8 will be a nice option for 8th scale buggy. If I pick up a typhon tlr I will consider this. Not sure about that sensor plug though. Will have to see what the adapter looks like.
It's the same plug they've been using on their axe series for a while. I've never heard a single complaint about it
good work again ! i ran 1/5th stuff since 1 year only and quickly learned : 8s is limited/limiting+heating too much ! 8s is only ok for light 1/5th buggies... 12s is THE answer for cooler runs with decent power. so i ran cheap FLIER escs but i don't like their unsmooth response. i'm glad hobbywing finally stepped in ! i will get their max4 for sure ! regarding the raminator : 18s would be better suited ! 12s will still run hot and for a too short driving time ! FLIER escs already have 18s to 22s escs, that's a great solution ! more S is better !
I've seen a few people running the raminator on 8s and it seems pretty powerful. Being said in general the higher the voltage you can get the more efficient the system will be
@@DoRC 8s torque will indeed move the huge raminator, but for how long ? 8 minutes ? with hot lipos ? i will build a 1/6th maxD this year, with 10' tires, should half the weight of the raminator. 12s will be good for this one !
@@stephanez8036 yeah I have no experience with a vehicle that large so I couldn't tell you how long it was run. Your project sounds awesome. What platform are you going to run it on?
@@DoRC what platform ? well, youtube, FB, insta... lol just kinding ! as usually, i will make my own chassis, axles, suspensions... body will be custom, tires will be rc4wd demolishers, diffs will come from a 5ive . basically the same basis as the pick up truck i just built
@@stephanez8036 sounds awesome!
That Max8 G2 looks really good, too bad I almost just bought one of the old ones 🤪, thanks for noticing about this one
Yeah I can't wait to get mine! Thanks for watching :-)
I bought the max8 old version some time ago, but havent used it yet, and now im considering selling it 😞
G2 is far superior.
@@DoRC That’s great 👍
Yep!
Watching here fam..
Thanks:)
Awesome.. I like it..
Yeah definitely some good improvements
Thanks for the video. Looking a suitable combo to fit on 1/7 rally chassis. Which one would be the best buy from hobbywing and as a second option from an economic value for money brand. Much appreciated 👌 pls mention the kv which I should be looking for. Not looking for insane speed. Just rally!
The 8BL 150 combo would be fine as long as the car isn't too heavy.
I love my kyosho mp10ki12. I know it has nothing to do with this video, but I thought I’d say something to get on the nitro side of electronics 😎
Nothing wrong with nitro. Ive got a beefed up revo 3.3 with an os 21tm and i have my first gas 5th scale on the way now:)
I am glad they are getting caught up with castle
Definitely. Assuming the stuff is good they're surpassing Castle in a lot of ways. Most of the same features for quite a bit less money
@@DoRC definitely...they must have been testing this stuff for a while now since we haven't received a new hobbywing product in awhile
@@onemansvideos2134 yeah I think a lot of companies had things they wanted to release and then they all got killed cuz of covid. Now they're all catching up which is why they're seeing a lot of things being released all in the same time frame
I am definitely interested, in that Max4 70125 motor combo. But, I have to work out the logistics of how to fit electrics that size on my K8S-EXB? I want to see if other people out there can fit this system on their Kraton's 8S first?
I think once it becomes more available you'll definitely see some people doing just that. Thanks for watching and a sub is appreciated :-)
I’m excited to build a Tekno MT410 now. That new Max8 should be perfection on there. A sensored MT410 just sounds like a blast.
For sure. I have a Max 8 in my mt410 and I'm definitely going to put the G2 in there :-). Thanks for watching and a sub is appreciated!
It will be hard to fit the g2 max8 in a mt410 the way the wires are coming out of each end. Max8 v3 is very tight unless you want to spend 200 on m2c wide chassis
Yeah with the stock chassis it will be a challenge.
@@DoRC You can mount the ESC 180Degree, so the sensor cable have to pass through the main shaft. ensure, the cable dont touch the shaft and it's perfect!
@@GeckoRC nice! Glad to see there's a way. I don't have the stock chassis on mine so I couldn't check personally
This setup would be perfect for my TLR Typhon.
Definitely!
Got my combo today. Installing it this weekend.
@@whorok305 nice! Let us know how it goes :-)
Max 4 is good for the large 1/5 scale. XLX2 is still the best esc for my DBXL-E 2.0. I wonder when castle is going to release their 12s esc?
I bet they're pushing for it now :-). Thanks for commenting and a sub is appreciated!
im interested
Me too:)
Damn that max 4 is huge!it’s a bit pricey though but it is 12s so maybe not🤷🏻♂️
Yeah I think it's going to have a limited appeal but for people with really big stuff or that want to go really fast it's going to be sweet!
So with a higher kv motor on the new max8 combo 🤔😳😕 is this still sold towards monster trucks @1/8’s scale. Nice of you to share 💥
The larger of the two motors is only 50 KV higher than before. This will definitely still be marketed toward 1/8 scale monster trucks. Thanks for watching :-)
@@DoRC Ahhh I see clearer now 😎
Yeah I think the smaller motor is going to be aimed more toward 1/10 scale and the larger motor toward 1/8 scale
I just got my first hobbywing esc. A max 8 for my felony(didnt trust the spektrum one) i have a tornado fan on it and a cap pack. For what i do with my felony I should be okay
Max 8 is a very good esc. Especially with better cooling you won't have any troubles unless you are going for big big speed runs. Just bashing around it'll be fine:)
I need a new system for my Hpi Savage x V2, what do you think about the max8 with bigger motor?
The G1 max8 is pretty well topped out with its included motors. I wouldn't really want to go any bigger. I'm not sure about the G2 though. It's supposed to be more powerful and run cooler so it may be better able to handle them. That being said I'm not sure I would go with anything larger motor wise on the Savage x v2. The differentials already have a hard time dealing with the power that the stock system provides.
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Is the data log available on the max 6?? Or in every ezrun esc??
No only on the G2 and and max 4 in the ez run series. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed as sub appreciated!
I wish you would have had a link to buy these
Me too. Unfortunately they're not available anywhere yet. They look like they were available on Hobby wings direct site but they never actually were available or they're sold out.
Trust me I want to buy them too :-)
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I was thinking about the Max 4 ESC and the 800kv motor and the 8.4 Bec for the Servo in the ARRMA KRATON 8s EXB?
Your thoughts
Should be good just make sure you don't go over 8s as thats all the motor is rated for. The only issue I can see you running into would be figuring out where to put the max4
as it's very large.
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Doesn't matter now I'll be going with CASTLE CREATIONS LOL 😂
your sorry Company won't Except a Debit card!!!
Castle is good too. Im not affiliated with hobbywing in any way though.
Curious, im a pure basher so I really dont care for the sensored stuff at all. Is it possible to remove that extra sensor wire thats attached to the ESC?
You can run it without the sensor connected but the wire is permanently attached to the ESC. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated :-)
No one mentions which program card to get for it? :)
Any of the hobbywing ESCs can be programmed by their standard two little LCD screen program cards or the larger screen card.
Any idea when the g2 max8 will be available to the public?
I'm not sure. They were sort of released on hobbywing's website already but they all show out of stock. I don't know if that means that they had some and sold them all or if they just don't have any in stock yet. Beyond that I haven't gotten any information as to when they will actually land in stores.
Here's a scenario. Since spektrums are obviously HW, could we get a 12s rtr 5ive t?
That would be awesome!
I'd love to see a 1/10th scale version of the g2 max8 for 2-3s touring/rally cars to be honest, that'd be pretty cool. A high KV waterproof sensored system with turbo timing etc? :o There is the AXE series ofcourse, but the kv options are a bit low
The smaller motor is 2500 kv. That might be appropriate
@@DoRC yeah i was thinking more along the lines of 3000-4000kv, especially with the XV-01/02 for 2s, either way it's great HW and releasing this for the 1/8th scale stuff, I'd consider picking one up!
@@michaelrc9098 I'm definitely going to order one
@@DoRC I don't have anything for either for these systems, but I'm definitely gonna keep it in mind for the 1/8th scale HH vehicles
Gotcha. I don't have a direct use for either one of them yet but I'm still going to order the new Max 8 as soon as I can :-)
They need to make a new max6 with all the new upgrades I’ll then sell all my max6 combos
I'll bet it's coming! I'll be upgrading mine as well. Thanks for watching and a sub is appreciated:)
i wonder is that max8 going to be a good option for the sledge?
I think so though the longer sensored can might not fit.
Those Traxxas electronics are hot 💩
So far mine have beem great.
Wow, hobbywing finally stepping up their game! Hopefully they addressed the cutoff issue. That's why I moved away from them & switched to castle creations. Most of my cars are setup for speedruns, so the this was a major pain. Plus not having data logging feature, that was another reason why. Harder to gear up when you don't know how much current your pushing & internal temps.
Looking forward to the review 😎👍
Ive seen a preliminary test that appears to show the max 4 cutting off at around 600 amps. Personally I don't think that's too bad because it's rated for 300 amps continuous. I would rather have the ESC shut itself down then burn up but I'm also not a top speed person.
@@DoRC Nice, that's not too bad. 600A is pretty good. On some of my speedruns I have hit as high as in the low 500's for amperage. Granted, the high amperages only last about 2 - 3 seconds. And the entire runs only last about 7 seconds average.
Cutoff protection is however a great thing, especially for racing and bashing. It does have it's place & even more so if an ESC doesn't have data logging capabilities. Hopefully (for us speedrun nuts 😁) hobbywing now includes the option to disable the auto cutoff, cuz I would like to try out that Max4 on 10S-12S. Cuz, well...... Who doesn't like more POWER!! 😁
@@rcbustanut2057 from what ive heard it cant be disabled but that could be wrong. Time will tell.
Can you run it with a sensor less motor?
Yep. It can run a sensorless motor with no issues. Thanks for watching if you aren't very subscribed a sub is appreciated!
Man I just bought a ztw beast. I wonder how this will compare.
Not sure how it will compare in power though it'll probably be pretty good. Where it will excel will be durability waterproofness etc. I've heard the ztw ESC are pretty unreliable
@@DoRC I got it for a great price or I wouldn't have bought it. Thanks for the reply.
@@timt8029 nice! Have any personal experience with them I just seen a bunch of failures online.
There already selling them on Amain Hobbies. I think although this is a different scale and the price difference is pretty big, I see this competing with the XLX2 since Hobbywing products of the same scale tend to be a little less powerful than their Castle counterparts. The thing about it though Hobbywing stuff tends to be way more reliable than the Castle stuff. So you may go through through four (4) XLX2s and still have your MAX 4 ESC. I want to see it guys like Raz Shiffrin, Innovation rc, Phillip Jolley and even Kevin Talbot use them in their 8th scale rc ultra speed car builds. The only problem is the price is really hot at $ 450 usd VS $250 for the XLX2.
Yeah when I made the video they weren't available anywhere. They have started become more available now. I'm excited to see people start to use them and see how they do as well. The price is pretty steep for sure. Thanks for watching and a sub is appreciated:)
@@DoRC I am a speed run guy but I really only use Hobbywings because of very bad experiences with Castle. Still I knew if you wanted to go really fast 150 mph and more the only fair option at a price less than $1000 was the XLX2. I could see speed runners trying this out to on their 1/8th scale cars to get those speeds like the XLX2. I want to see how it compares to it, if it matches it or even exceeds it. The next couple of weeks and months would be interesting as people make speed builds around this.
I've already seen some logs and apparently it cuts out at a little under 600 amps so I'm not sure it's going to be that much more appealing than the current offerings given its size and weight.
@@DoRC Ok. Thanks Wonder why make such a device if it doesn't even compete with a smaller scale ESC that Castle makes? I mean I thought they made to compete with the XLX2 and pretty much have the same performance. Although Castle doesn't state the amperage their rc car ESCs work with. Also the added weight and price. Then maybe people would just stick to the Max 5 ESC?
@@Tejaye777 I would say reliability and the ability to run a higher cell count. It still remains to be seen just how many people will actually want to use it though
im sure it will be a good update. But still more or less a sensored Max6 limited to 6s, caps looks similar, same with the zink.
as a basher, yes i do prefer sensored, but not needed for my aplication, so Max6 will still be the ❤ to go.
Max4...hmmm..just plain simple big, 2800gram😂..i stick with xlx2,max5 👌
Good talk bout video buddy.
Thanks! I think if you're not going 8s this has some good advantages over the max 6. Smaller and cheaper.
Hopefully they'll be doing some Max 6 updates soon too :-)
@@DoRC its a little bit smaller then a Max6, 10$ cheaper, im not fully convinced that it will be 25degre cooler in my cars. But an awsm possibility to pic🤗
Yeah 25° is a pretty bold claim but if they can do it I'll be happy
@@DoRC me to 🥰
I think if does run cooler it will be bc of the bigger capacitors , but I find sencered usually runs hotter I have ran 4 and 6s to a bigger fan and capacitor on max 8 and its lasted unbelievable longer than any esc I ever used . It looks it lol , I'm almost afraid try new one out .
Dang
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Max8 in slash go vroom
For sure. That would be a monster! Thanks for watching and a sub is appreciated:)
@@DoRC do U think it would run well on nimh tho?
@@tysemilicia3931 eh. You're really going to be doing it a disservice if you run it on nimh. It'll technically do it but I wouldn't
@@DoRC dang well nimh is all I have so I hope it goes well haha
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Thanks!
Put it in a kraken vekta 5 i like to Se of it van push a heavy car like that
I bet it will be very popular for those kinds of vehicles! Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated :-)
That’s cheap but bet here in uk the esc you s 450 uk pounds
Doesn't feel cheap but probably just because I'm comparing it to the xlx2 which isn't really a fair comparison.
The max4 is not sensored. it can run a sensored motor, but its a waste, since it wont be sensored. the new big motor is not sensored either.
Well they are both specifed as sensored by hobbywing and have sensor cables. The motor says sensored right on the can.
@@DoRC no, they are both specified as sensorless. Esc can run sensored motors but only in sensorless mode, it's says on their website. Like the max5 and max6
@@holmer1982 not sure what youre looking at but its not the same thing i am. Max4 is sensored just like the new max8 g2. You can see the sensor cable sticking out the front here. www.hobbywingdirect.com/products/ezrun-max4-esc
@@holmer1982 and the motor says sensoed right on the can in this picture. It also has a sensor cable coming out of it
www.hobbywingdirect.com/products/ezrun-70125-motor
max4 combo will be no good for speed only 10kw continuous output low kv 2kg+ weight + x2 6s lipos weight your better off with 7.5kw 2028 and xlx2 and a lot less weight. ive been there done that. the h/w motor is just a rocket 70/130 and weighs in at 1.88kg alone
My calculations on 12s it would be 15 KW continuous (4.2x12x300). The lower KV should be able to be made up for with gearing. Since weight does not affect ultimate top speed (as long as you have the range for it of course) I think it might be able to be useful to some people. That being said I'm certainly no top speed guy so I'm just guessing.
I'm excited to see what people at least try to do with it :-) anyway thanks for watching and a sub to my channel is appreciated!
@@DoRCthe 70mm motor has a rating of 10kw continuous so 10000÷50.4 200a if you pull 300A the motor will cook fast and by gearing up to compensate for the lack of kv you increase the load/amp pull fast because of the monstrous weight added 2.8kg+ for this combo+say 2kg for batteries. Unless you run somthing like an lmt 3080 there's the small 2500w power gain over the castle 2028 on 8s is not worth it ive tested the motor. It made 54mph max speed off road on a losi dbxle and was getting warm vs 63mph from the castle 2028 1100kv on 8s that also reach the same temp. So instead im now going to run x2 xlx2 1560kv 8000w C 56mm tp motors 16kw C 24kw peak for a 3.2kg weight gain to see how that compares. The max4 itself should be a killer 6-8s esc and the data logging has been a long time coming on the hobbywing ezrun setups I love the max5 just had to rely on a temp gun with it
Just to add the 12s pulled 132ft off road in 2.8s 48mph the castle made 2.85 at 50mph so low down grip on the day was the only thing that made the castle slower
@@benhamer9125 ok
@@benhamer9125 yes the quarter mile will be different weight plays a big factor in that. Most of these things are going to be traction limited off road anyway. It doesn't take too much power to overcome the traction of tires off road. That being said it sounds like you have a lot more experience with this than I do so it's all good information for sure!