I Got The Hobbywing Max6 G2 4990 1650KV Combo! (Didn't Go As Planned)
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
- Today we take a look at the new Hobbywing Max6 G2 ESC and sensored 1650KV motor. Will it survive some servious abouse? Is it better than the Castle MMX8s? Join me to find out!
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Nice! Good to see it didn’t over heat, especially pushing it so hard. HOBBYWING is killing it with their new line up!
Yeah I really wish I had gotten more footage to show. This video was one of those ones where everything seemed to be fighting me.
@@DoRC we all have days like those, but glad you were still able to get some running video. I ordered the 5690 combo, but not sure what I’ll put it in just yet.
@@dgitalchaos 5690 is a really good motor. That being said I really was surprised with how well the little 4990 handled that truck. I was not expecting almost 50 miles an hour out of it
@@DoRC I certainly wasn’t expecting it to go that fast!
RIGHT ON!! Awesome test, cool to see someone own their mistake. props. Had me worried for a second, We ordered 10 of each!!! In stock soon!!!!
Yeah I definitely don't blame the motor for that one. The gear was giving me every sign that it was unhappy. Screaming like a banshee and getting very hot. I just chose to ignore it and paid the price. Thanks for watching!
Nice! Really good temps as well. I have used the max8 linebup with really good success. FYI they do make an adapter cable so you can run any sensored motor with the ESC.
Yeah and they actually have an adapter that I'm not sure if it's available quite yet that will allow you to run there sensored motor with any standard sensored ESC. Nice of them to do that! Thanks for watching :-)
Great review! We put this in our 6s Kraton (aka Krator) and it is amazing! No issues with the bluetooth. It connects every time to my Samsung android phone. It is bigger than the stock motor and esc, but it just fits. I was also worried about fitting a heat sink and fans on the motor, but so far the motor seems to run pretty cool without! Hobbywing must have some magical wizardry going on in there! This is a great system so far. We need to get more packs through it, but it is very impressive!
Yeah these systems run amazingly cool. It's all about efficiency. Heat is the main side effect of lack of efficiency
Mine came in yesterday!!! Putting in my NIB Mojave EXB this weekend.
That should be pretty insane. Hopefully the drivetrain can handle it. This thing is mighty!
@@DoRC I don’t plan on running 8s too often unless it’s on beach runs or dirt drags. General bashing 6s is plenty. I wanted the best for it w/o wanting at any given moment and at a price way less than the Castle combo I started to get. 1520-1650kv motor.
a very good overview mate.... i like it.... my only concern is the bluetooth only programing. The reviews on the google play store are not good, (allot of connectivity issues with newer android devices) it was the reason i decided not to get the OTA for the Max 8 G2.
Same. I dont really trust hw to maintain their software across all platforms reliably.
Love your vids !!!! What gearing were you using . I have the g2 combo but with the 1250kv going in a 8s Kraton what a good bashing gearing would be good ? Thanks brother keep it going with those great vids .
I think I was using 16/35 with this but I don't exactly remember as the gear broke and I ended up tossing it. I don't actually have a ton of experience with gearing on these so it might be better to ask in one of the Arrma Facebook groups for gearing suggestions.
I just got mine in the mail as of yesterday too! I dont have a project for it at the moment but I hope to use it soon!
Ugh. Want to send me your rotor? :-) I have a email into hobbywing but Don't have high hopes.
@@DoRC LOL 😂 u wish ya thats insane man I can't believe you actually broke the motor shaft 😂
@wallacengineering8096 It's completely my fault. I could hear that the gear was not happy, it was a previously damaged gear and The gear was also getting really hot. I should have stopped but it was the only appropriate gear I had at the time.
Gonna get this combo to put in my eventual big rock 6s
That's what I plan on putting mine in long-term as well!
I got the Hobbywing axe in my trx4, Bluetooth works great in that
It's really good to hear. I've had mostly okay results with the external module but not 100% and that makes me a little nervous when it's literally the only option. Personally I would have been more comfortable if they had left the programming port.
I will replace all my esc with built in blue tooth if i could. that seems awsome. i have never had an issue with blue tooth module myself except hooking it into port
That's cool. I've had a few problems myself but for the most part it's been okay.
Anything that's 100% reliant on an app just makes me nervous. What if the app stops working with some phone update or hobbywing decides to stop supporting that version two years from now or something like that. It would just be nice to have some sort of backup method to program the ESC.
Got max6 1100 kv on kraton 8s exb fir about 7 months and running 🔥, i would get this may be outcast 6s 🤔
Well it would definitely have enough power though I'm not entirely sure the drivetrain will be able to handle it. It's a beast.
It’s fair to say that if you have an Xmaxx and want a stock motor performance with a better built motor, this is the combo. I personally though thing the 5690 is ideal for the Xmaxx/xrt. Mild power boost so the diffs aren’t getting shredded, but still noticeably better than stock.
I have to disagree. I think you're going to get way above stock performance with this combo. The car I was testing this in weighs about 50% more than an X-Max and with the system has better performance than the stock X-Max.
The original Max 6 gives you better performance than the stock system. This is significantly more powerful than the original Max 6.
@DoRC i just bought the 1650KV max6 g2 combo for my xmaxx? did i mess up and should return and get the bigger moter or will i be ok? info on this is hard to find. wish i would have seen this befor i made my purchase. thanks lovin the videos
No I think it will be okay. It has the same size shaft as the stock motor. Mine broke because my gears were junk. I knew they were junk and I chose to ignore it so I could get the video out.
@@DoRC thanks for responding.. The 5mm shaft is why i chose the 4990 so i can still use all of my mod1 pinions. They are all tekno RC mod1 pinons with a m5 set screw. If anyone hasn't tried them yet for the xmaxx they actually stay on the shaft of the stock motor. again thanks for replying so fast appreciate it!
@@joshe2150 tekno makes awesome gears!
The 5690 is a combo option for the Max 6. I’m sure, with that motor, it would most definitely handle that machine.
Yeah for sure. I like to push things to the limit when I review them though.
@@DoRC and that’s one of the reasons I tune in. 😁
@@SuperDrake79 :)
I want it for the big rock as well.
Yeah as long as the drivetrain actually holds together I think it'll be a great option.
You think its weak?@@DoRC
The 6s drivetrain isn't particularly week and The Big Rock has the EXB differentials but This combo has an awful lot of power. Honestly I would consider putting a G1 Max 6 combo in. It's still going to be ridiculous amount of power but not quite as much as the G2. The G2 Max 6 has the same output power as the G1 Max 5. That's a lot for a stock 6s drivetrain
hmmm maybe run it only on 4s or not 8s at least
@@DoRC
I think on 4S you struggle to get the gearing right for the KV of the motor. 6S should be okay though you might end up having to upgrade something if it breaks. I definitely would not do 8s without significant upgrades.
Did your fan not work out of the box or is there setting I got to play with?
It turns on when the ESC gets hot.
I want it for my talion! Have the max8 G2 combo now.
That's going to be an insane amount of power. The G1 Max 6 is too much power I can't imagine the G2 in something like that. It'll definitely run cool though!
@DoRC yeah we'll see. Like the weight. It cuts out now when I hit the ramp. Annoying.
@@kaiarneberg9203 That is something I've noticed with some of these G2 ESCs. I don't know what it is but you're not the first person that's reported that. It hasn't been consistent enough for me to be actually be able to pin it down to anything but there's definitely something weird about them.
@@DoRCI have checked everything. Even new connectors.
@kaiarneberg9203 Yeah I think it's the ESC itself. I had one of mine do it and one Max 10 G2 do it. Problem is none of the other ones I've had have done it. I think there's something in that you are fees that resets when they take a heavy shock.
It’s odd how the quick run series uses laminations on the rotors but the new max series is kevlar wrapped. Just wondering if you know why they chose to give the fancy rotor to the budget series and not the max g2?
Really not sure what caused them to do that. It's possible that whatever ODM there getting motors from just makes them that way but it's also possible that the steel encasement around the magnets reduces magnetic flux a little which would cause the motors to be slightly weaker and they want the G2 motors to be as strong as possible. That's really just a guess though.
Yea or maybe it’s less mass for the kevlar and the lamination rotors can’t spin as fast
@@IsaacSchultz-lz8jc That could definitely be a possibility as well.
I know this is a older video, but would this be a good "overkill" combo for the kagama?
Overkill yes. Good? I'm not sure. It might be a little too much. The G1 Max 6 combo is already way overkill and the G2 is significantly stronger. Honestly I'd recommend finding a good deal on a G1 system and using that instead.
Hey I love you’re videos! I hoop you see this I’m wondering if the max5 g2 or the max 6g2 for the 5690 motor is there a better choice between the too of them? Thanks in advance!
For what vehicle?
@@DoRC for my xrt
I was thinking the 5690 over the 56118
@uuldriks1 I think it depends on what your goals are. The max 6G2 is basically the same power as the original Max 5G1 so it's plenty powerful enough with the 5690 but If you want maximum power the Max 5 G2 will definitely give you that.
@@DoRC ok awesome thanks! Thinking about 26 46 ratio with jconcepts choppers and then go from there! Maybe I’ll gear up it I can
Awesome combo! Did you run it on 8s or 6s?
That was 8s. Exact same setup as I was using with the Max 5 combo.
@@DoRC thanks! Awesome, if it can move that beast. It can move any 1/8 and 1/7 with ease.
@Ryndel absolutely. It's going to be insane on anything in those scales. I think it would do well in an X-Maxx as well.
I had already ordered one before saw video
Nice. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
hmmmmmm would it fit in a hobao hyper7 converted to brushless if so that gives me ideas
Maybe. Not something I've ever tried before. I know the motor should fit in the 6S armas but I don't know about the hobaos.
You can programme through the fan port in the esc?
Unfortunately no. It's only a two-pin fan port and does not have any way to connect to a programmer. Bluetooth is the only way to program it.
What kind of solder do you recommend/use?
Kester 63/37 0.030 diameter is a great option. It's expensive but it also lasts a long time
Do you think this system would work well in the sledge with the m2c xl kit?
Yes. That would be insane power!
I can confirm this combo in the sledge it's absolutely nuts!
@mikem1738 Nice!
Maybe they should make it so it still has program port and have built in Bluetooth or sell a esc without Bluetooth.
Yeah I think removing the ability to use a regular programmer was a silly thing to do. I can't imagine it really saved them any money and giving people options for programming is a good thing. I have personally experienced issues with their Bluetooth programmer in the past and given that there are a million different varieties of devices out there I'm sure other people will too.
Sad about the motor shaft, I might get one of these Max 6 G2\4990 1,650KV combos for my future Limitless V2 or XO-1 i hear you about the Bluetooth only programming i've never used Bluetooth to program an ESC before so this will be a first when i get mine. Hobbywing is definitely killing it with these new G2 systems Castle better watch out.
Yeah I'm bummed about the shaft too. Especially since it's completely my fault. The gear was damaged to begin with and was giving me every warning sign that it was unhappy. It was the only gear I had though for the task And I thought I could get away with it. I was wrong.
I had xmaxx and snapped motor shaft also
Yeah it does happen. Usually when a gear fails and jams up causing a ton of lateral force on the shaft.
@DoRC no gear fail just snapped clean of, to small of motor, also my esc blew up later lol
@@victorevan7893 ouch. The X-Max does have a lot of flex in the chassis so the gears can bang into each other pretty hard too depending on what kind of mount you're running and what gears you have. What mount did you have?
@@DoRC m2c motor mount
Could I use the Max6 G2 or Max8 G2 paired with the EZRUN 4278 SD (2250KV) motor on a 1/10 car for speedruns and maybe somewhat bashing (I mean drift attempts or something)?
Sure. The motor will only draw as much current as it is capable of regardless of how large of an ESC you put behind it. That being said you need to make sure that you take care not to exceed the maximum RPM of the motor by putting to higher voltage to it as that could physically blow it apart.
The Max 5 G2 also has 8 mm terminals on it for the motor so you would have to swap out the stock 6.5 mm terminals on the 4278 if you're going to use that.
I'm not sure how much advantage you would get out of them on such a small motor though cuz again it's the motor that determines the ultimate power output and once you reach that limit on the motor you're not going to get anything out of a larger ESC unless of course you're going higher voltage which again runs into that potential physical RPM limit though.
@@DoRC I want to go fast haha. So in a 1/10 scale car, that's why I'm thinking using a big motor and ESC comparatively would help me get to high top speeds. I would like to use 6S lipo power, btw.
@RiverTheNerd I would consider starting with a Max 8 G2 combo and going from there. Ultimately even with that you're probably going to end up traction limited before you end up power limited so that might be a good starting point.
@@DoRC alright, thank you. I've been trying to keep the price as low as I can with good performance, and the Max6 G2 was the same price, so I was like "eh maybe I'll go for it." I haven't bought anything yet as this hobby is becoming more expensive the more I research.
@RiverTheNerd Well if the max 6 G2 is the same price then go for that. As long as it'll physically fit there's no reason not to go bigger if you can.
How can you fix broken motor shaft?
Can't be fixed. HW sells a few replacements but not for this motor unfortunately.
How long it will last on 11.1V 5700mah battery?
Depends on too many factors to give you an answer. Sorry
Going to get into 200+ mph speed runs?
Nah. I don't really have any place to do speed runs. I'm more of an off-road guy anyway. I'll leave the speed runs up to the speedrun guys :-)
Is the fan on the esc supposed to run all the time?
No. These come on only when the temperature in the ESC reaches a certain point
@@DoRC awesome thanks
@bplotts1 You're welcome!
Now We just wait for the g3 😂😂
I think that's going to be a while.
Kindly do you know what is the maximum rpm of the 1650kv motor?
Doesn't look like the maximum RPM is listed but It's rated for 8S and is 1650 KV so I would imagine it's around 55 or 60,000 RPM.
@DoRC yes that is what when I multiplicate the kv with the 8s voltage but I do not know why the maker does not mention it anywhere!
Neither that mention the highest torque value at a specified rpm so one could know how much he need to turn the motor to get the best performance from the motor without over revving it, that could also damage the motor!
@@josephcaruana9165 electric motors product 100% torque at 0 RPM so no need to calculate that. But yeah not showing all specs is annoying.
Yes but I sent them couple of emails because I wish to know which is the optimum rpm because they stated that it the new esc and motor are up to 20% stronger from the previous version, so I think that they had made some tests to calculate the outcome and difference so I would like to know if it is for example at 40,000rpm or higher!
@josephcaruana9165 definitely would be nice to know.
My dude please don’t say that’s a good solder. You need to fill the cup and rest the wire in a bed of solder, completely filling the connector brass. Otherwise love it! Can’t wait for a max 6g2!
Going to have to disagree with you there. Any solder that isn't directly attaching the wire to the connector is just excess solder. As long as the strands of the wire are completely embedded in the solder and that solder is completely attached to the connector it's a good connection. I've been doing this for many many years and have never had a problem with any of my solder connections.
@@DoRC to each their own! Amperage is limited by the thickness of the wire. Without proper solder the amperage level decreases, especially continuous. Also need to tin completely around the wires, not just the top before soldering them. If you haven’t had any fail you don’t push the rigs. My 2 cents
@@DoRCyes i agree with you 💯 and i have doing this hobby since early 90’s also worked half that time in a hobby shop building lots and services
@@brokenmanmx The wires were tinned from the factory. I was just mixing a little bit of leaded solder in with the solder that was already there to make it flow better. I push my stuff hard. As long as the wire is fully penetrated with solder and the connection around It makes full contact with that solder around the connector you're good. Putting a bunch of excess solder in there isn't going to hurt but it also really doesn't do much.
@vitodambra72 Yeah people think that the only way to get a good connection is get every possible drop of solder you can in the connector but especially with these QS8s where the connector is so much larger than the wire It's really just not necessary.
omgi just want to cuddle that motor like it's my newborn, and i think i'm gonna stuff one in my FIRETEAM.
Yeah too bad I snapped the head off of mine :-(
@@DoRC 😮
Really not good this move into Bluetooth programming..too much tech ,all that sensored stuff takes away the purity of bashing.Middle off nowhere , RC,controller and less worry.✌️
I agree. I don't mind them adding the Bluetooth option but I feel like making it the only option was silly.
THATS TERRIBLE THE SHAFT SHOULD NOT BREAK NO EXCUSES
I disagree. When a gear breaks the teeth can get jammed between the two gears and it puts a ton of force on the shaft. I really don't blame the shaft for this. It's pretty much completely my fault. The gear sounded terrible and was getting really hot. I should have known it was going to fail.
@@DoRCwhat are the warning signs of teeth about to break ?????
@user-ig1tt1jq9n the gear was damaged previously and I had ground the damaged parts of the teeth off that I could see but that doesn't mean they weren't still damaged. The gear was also making terrible noises and getting very hot Even though it was meshed properly. It's one of the pitfalls of making videos. My drive to release the video tends to make me ignore things like that. It was the only gear I had that was appropriate so it was the gear I was using.
That motor owed him nothing. Everyone I know with a 8s exb runs motors with 8mm shafts. That's a 30 plus pound truck. If that gear broke and jammed while tumbling that 5mm shaft absolutely should break.