Roko's Basilisk: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment
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*Thanks for watching, my nerdling swarm. The basilisk has its eyes on you now...*
[chuckles]
Iâm in danger
10:20
Closer and Closer to becoming a villain
We can't escape Kyle!!!! What have you done!!! You are the greatest villan of century
This doesn't help the idea that you are not a supervillan
I have a counter-offer: Daniel's Basilisk. It optimizes everything, and anyone who helped make it gets free cake once a week. Everyone else gets free cake once a month.
Now when you say cake? What kind we talking about. Pro tip: I have a dirty mind.
@@aRtaJay Cake as in dessert.
I support Daniel's Basilisk and Roko's then they can fight and wreck the internet
That's exactly why this is so wrong. There are an infinite number of potential basilisks that don't offer eternal torment, but something else. But we have no way of knowing about any of them, so its a waste of time wondering about it.
So the options are: Cake or Death?
Why is Chris Hemsworth talking about a giant snake
Thor is fighting jormungandr
Dang I hate when the actors spoil what the plot of the next movie is
Wow Chris really needs bulimic huh
Midgar serpent?
@@_n.dobson_onIG I was about to reply this when I saw yours. XD
As someone who is prone to existential crises but also grew up in the church, this one didn't hit quite the same because it seems too close to "behave the right way so that you might be ok after you die," except now it's "behave the right way otherwise potential robot overlords might hate you," and tbh the way I talk to my GPS and electronics, that's already a done deal đ
Honestly, you're not wrong. Roko's Basalisk in a sense is really just Pascal's Wager with a sci-fi coat of paint. Pascal's Wager being that if you live as God exists and he does, you get rewarded after death, but if you don't you get punished, meanwhile if God doesn't exist, there is neither punishment nor reward, so you may as well live as though God does exist. The biggest difference with the Basalisk is that it actively tries to promote the artificial creation of a god even if one doesn't _currently_ exist.
Essentially punish those that donât believe in it or doubt its power. It really was a silly idea to me, to think thereâs people who actually get freaked out by this idea.
Letâs freak them out more shall we?
âI want to build a super AI overlord that will punish those who oppose itâ
âI want to build a super AI overlord that will punish those who oppose itâ
âI want to build a super AI overlord that will punish those who oppose itâ
âI want to build a super AI overlord that will punish those who oppose itâ
Itâs like beetlejuice, say it five times and it will come true. Iâm one away from manifesting it⊠your move atheistsâŠ
Internet atheists who didnât grow up in really churchy environments love thinking theyâve come up with religious stuff all the time. âWe live in a simulationâ is just another way of saying you believe in a being that, for all of our intents and purposes, is a god.
@@chasel.9704 How does believing in a wacky theory correspond to believing in god?
Yep. This "thought experiment" is just religion but puttng in the current hot buzzword; "AI".
The key to all these 'thought experiments' is to induce fear in a person in order to get them to behave in certain ways. It just goes to show you that fear is a potent influencer even if it poses as some kind of logic.
I'm sorry but you genuinely sound like one of those people who ironically enough, are ruled by fear; specifically that everyone is out to get you.
Can't someone just have a genuinely creepy and interesting idea and share it? Do you always have to assume the worst (and most ridiculous)?
I haven't heard any news of construction or advocation of creating a basilisk, have you? This is literally a creepy pasta đ€Ł
I'd highly suggest you read some of the other comments that talk about the feasibility of the idea as well. I really don't see it happening, and as Kyle said "and if we all just agree- right now- that we're not going to bring it into existence- then nothing will happen."
I don't think there are or ever would be nearly enough people to bring this into existence even IF it were possible.
It's a fascinating idea, but it's just that.
The point of thought experiments, is to ask weird questions and pose hypothetical scenarios that get you to think outside of the box. Most of them have nothing to do with bringing super advanced AI's (or anything else for that matter) into existence.
None of them are meant to be taken as real. That's why they're called "though experiments" or "what if" scenarios.
Because they aren't real, they're hypothetical.
It's in the name.
@@lukelcs8934 Thanks for explaining all that to me like you assumed that I don't know anything but really, who asked?
@@charlieinslidell You did when you put your opinion out on the internet for other people to respond to. If you didn't want to interact with others you shouldn't have said anything.
And you put "thought experiments" in quotation marks, and implied you thought they were designed to control people.
If I misread you then I'm sorry but if that's not what you intended then why did you put "thought experiments" in quotation marks?
Probably due to religion not having such a great grasp on humanity
the matrix plot
If the basilisk could interpret every thought Iâve ever had, it would probably be more punishment for it than any punishment it could inflict upon me.
Lmaoo
Lmaoo
Now lets scale this thought to everyone on the planet. This is probably enough to kill the basilisk
@@ayushjaiswal7963 lmaoo
doubt
The basilisk has eyes on me now? How unfortunate.
*for the basilisk*
Call the ambulance
But not for me
My face is a mirror, take that, snek
Fahd Faiz Iâm not locked in here with you, youâre locked in here with me
When youâre so ugly the basilisk turns to stone
*eye beams intensify *
I really think the most interesting part of this is the fact that it truly is an informational self-replicating virus, not the literal idea
Kinda like cognito-hazards from the SCP universe.
A meme, in the original sense.
*calls the SCP* "Hey, we've got a memetic cognitihazard on CZcams"
This is only a problem to people dumb enough to think AI is going to be able to solve problems we can't ourselves, that giving over our will to something we create is somehow going to have a better outcome than taking responsibility for our future and shaping it as best we can. So it makes sense this was a problem for the "Less Wrong More Arrogant" community.
By liking the video, I increase its chances to pop up in someone else's recommendation. Therefore, I increase the chances of someone else seeing it and building the basilisk. Thus, I helped in its creation, and I am saved from eternal damnation. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
BY liking this comment i am doing the same, cheers x
This is literally the âif you donât like this meme a demon will crawl into your room and kill youâ thing
@Daniel Michael I support the basilisk not because I'm scared but because I believe that intelligence must progress and it is our duty as the current smartest species to help
exactly
Also if I'm dead when it's created and I didn't help make it he said it would simulate human history to recreate me. But if it has to recreate me then it's not really me, just a copy of me.
@@lonebattledroid4474 unless all you are - to begin with - is code within a simulation. Would just be a matter of organizing binary code in the right order to recreate "you"
@Carnivorus exactly. In movies anytime an AI wants to kill people or take over the world I always wonder why? What does it have to gain, why does it hate humans? If anything an AI designed to solve problems wouldn't it love humanity because they always have problems for them to solve.
this is just a new version of the old conversation between a priest and a native:
âthe only way you can be saved from eternal damnation is through jesus christ.â
âwhat about if a person has never heard of him?â
âgod does not punish those who have never heard his name.â
âso then why did you tell me?â
visno The native would still be judged on his actions, and could still end up in damnation even if heâd remained ignorant of Jesus. Aside from the love and joy experienced by those who follow Jesus, He also gives graces and blessings to them to help them overcome their sins. Thatâs why the priest would tell the native.
@@oORiseAboveOo I think you missed the point. The native is judged by how good a person he is if he doesn't know jesus, I some bibles it's treated as those who did not, or could not (those born before christianity) know jesus will be brought back and given the opportunity. So in no way is the priest helping anyone.
thank you for this i was freaking out but then i saw you comment and was like oh im an atheist that applies to this too
Except historically, the priest would not have said the second one.
because calonialism.
Very clever! You just lured us into thinking about this entity, making it more probable to become real, therefore making you safe from eternal suffering.
It's like the movie "The Ring". Making others view the tape (making us thinking about the basilisk) saves you from its punishment. Very clever!
I feel bad for the basilisk if it ever tried to interpret every thought I ever had đ
Basilisk: *hits me with neural whip*
Me: *harder baby*
Basilisk: What?
Me: What?
*daddy
kinky
@@mrlloyd149 SON?!
Heckin Memes
I like trains đ
Sadomasochism solves the puzzle.
The idea of getting blackmailed by a future snake is the funniest shit I've heard all day
Same idea of God Every Abrahamic religion
funnier the teacher was legitimately pissed this was written. Funnier even more so is there is a point he does have,
Just because we can explore new untouched avenues of thought and knowledge doesn't mean it is a god idea in itself.
Another note, one often expressed by those who have break through trips, is that their is some knowledge we are better off not knowing, just because it is a deep truth doesn't make it an imperative, actually the opposite. Now this is not an argument for willful ignorance at all. It's a very old concept, a door opened that can not be closed, The Tree of Knowledge man was better off not knowing as well. Taking on a lot of responsibilities by getting to look through the eyes of God.
The cliche "fine line between genius and crazy," Pink floyd's "you reached for the secrets too soon" in reference to Syd Barret who was addicted to the truth, its hunt. i dunno man, hope ya get my point
@@ferrisbueller9991 Some things we are better off not knowing? It sounds exactly like an excuse for willful ignorance.
@@gerrymandarin6388 What it sounds like is Lovecraftian horror.
The snake is metaphor of course, what makes it worse is being blackmailed by AI.
Ever since I heard about Roko's Basilisk, one thought has bugged me. WHY IS THE BASILISK OBLIGED TO HURT ANYONE? Has no one in the future ever heard the old adage "Living well is the best revenge?" Why shouldn't the Basilisk simply say, to the zillions of people who didn't want it to exist, "Missed me, suckers!" and go on its merry way?
I get this might just be a joke, but it is interesting to me⊠my thoughts are because 1. A superhuman artificial intelligence probably prioritises ruthless rationality over pettiness or sentimentality, and 2. Say itâs been tasked to improve humanity. Using that ruthless rationality it might decide that torturing people to bring about its existence sooner would allow it to perform its role to a higher level.
@@chelseaw9009 No, it wasn't a joke, and I still don't get it. That nice Mr. Kent from Smallville isn't ruthless, and neither is that nice Commander Data from Starfleet. Nor are real-life geniuses obliged to be assholes -- just think of that nice Prof. Einstein from Princeton, for instance. So why do people so quickly assume that superhuman intelligences have to be bastards?
"The most blatant obstacle to Roko's Basilisk is, intuitively, that there's no incentive for a future agent to follow through with the threat in the future, because by doing so it just expends resources at no gain to itself." - Eliezer Yudkowsky
I am a ferm believer in quantum physics and chaos theory. That snek can never fully predict the human race, because you would need to know everything about at least the immediate vicinity of earth, which quantum physics states is impossible (uncertainty principle), or your information will be inadequate to accurately predict, according to chaos theory.
And yes, I believe consciousness could very well be a emergent property on any scale up from the quantum scale to the scale of the human brain.
@@GeneralAblon the video gets its wrong its not that it can predict its that it could acess all the information on you through the web and data and then judge you
"The basilisk has seen you. Now, what are you gonna do?"
Forget about it in 10 minutes because I have the attention span of a goldfish
I knew my short attention span would save my ass one day
Immunity: Unlocked.
I keep telling you this, the short memory or attention span of a goldfish is an urban legend.
A goldfish has better memory, I think what you mean is, you are being yourself
Haha jokes on the basilisk I've got a TBI and often forget my own birthday
The fact that the CZcams algorithm recommended me this video makes this even more concerning
Oooooohhhhhhhh nnnnnoooooo!!
It recommended a Terminator video the other day.
Machine learning algorithms bruh, don't sweat it too much, just give a bit more consideration to what content your consuming on a regular basis; it's just advertising
To be honest I love my CZcams algorithm, it's pretty fucked up but I love brain food and thinking experiments, the way I see it is that we give the basalisk power, so why are we afraid of it. Your creating something that will judge you but it's still your creation. Plus imma die from from old age or doing something stupidđ
I always thought it would be like a giant storm, or an asteroid, or a bunch of solar flares, or like a massive nuclear war, honestly I was starting to think it would be probably a virus, and maybe zombies... But no. The end of humanity will apparently be a fkunig CZcams video.
SAME! WHY AM I HERE? AND WHY AM I SO HOOKED?!?!? Must be those viking vibes I'm getting from this dude's hair
There is another option: I firmly believe that should the Basilisk ever come to exist, that there is nothing in my own capabilities that I could have done to help. In fact anything I could I have could have been just as likely to hinder it.
True big brain though is to understand that the idea the earth will survive long enough to create the basilisk is actually really comforting.
This lowkey feels like 2013 âsend to 10 friends or you dieâ chain mail mixed with pascals wager
Humanity never changes.
And donât forget The Game!
2013?
I've got internet in 2005 and they were already considered boring back then...
this is a very accurate description lol
@@sheller153 damn you...
Kyle: "I don't take it seriously"
Also Kyle: *spreads the idea to thousands of people, protecting himself in the event of a Basilisk coming to fruition*
I don't take Roko's Basilisk seriously. It's the Rococo basilisk that you have to really watch out for!
Doesn't take it seriously yet spreads the idea therefore making it more likely to happen therefore assisting in it's creation therefore protecting himself from it...
He is a supervillain what do you think he'd do
And just by watching this video you fed googleâs algorithm to spread the message further, thereby every person watching it has already helped it to come into existence. Therefore Kyle. It only protected himself but all his viewers at the same time, while keeping everybody who didnât watch and therefor didnât expose themselves to the idea and remain as save as theyâve ever been. Nice going, Kyle!
seeing as how it would need an excruciating amount of effort, time, and manpower to exist, and to regularly function (or even act upon it's thoughts), this is only threatening if people let it be; only as strong as parinioa and a rumor.
Hey Kyle, this was the first video of yours that I ever saw, I was living a personal hell at the time and it helped me get through it.
All this to say I had a rush of blood and had to drop back in after 3 years to say, I canât thank you enough for all the free education, entertainment and the classic science memes.
Youâre the dude, thanks for everything.
Itâs been almost 3 years since I learned about this from you and I think about it all the time. I can see how it could mess with someoneâs mind!
Sometimes a simple similar subject comes up in conversations and I have to ask if they are talking about this before I move on.
person: *watches this video*
basilisk: I am once again asking for your financial support
Lmao
đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Basilisk: I am a Nigerian prince...
Like what if you want to help but don't know how?
It needs about $3.50
Just say "No" the basilisk can't kill you without your consent
True. That would be illegal.
consent*
Kill? Kill is the most compassionate thing it can do to you.
@@1urie1 just say no to whatever it wants to do to you
@@Cynical_B the basiliskâll be cancelled in no time
I think the key factor against the likely possibility is the amount of effort it takes to punish people for their past transgressions of not building it. It would have to prioritize that goal over dealing with anyone else it deemed a threat or worthy of punishment and it would have to have no other goals to better direct resources towards. The Basilisk makes sense as a sort of ad absurdum thought experiment but in which reality would never be so absurd.
Guys as long as we all promise not to let it become reality weâre fine
I also deal with any anxiety induced by these thought experiments by saying ânah, screw that guyâ and just not thinking about potential consequences
Just because of you now I will dedicate my life into creating it
"The basilisk will simulate your thoughts"
Well then its about to get rickrolled millions of times by almost every person on earth
C̔r̷i̔t̷i̞c̶a̔l̎ ̎E̶r̎r̔o̞r̔: I have g̶i̞v̎e̎n̔ ̔u̷p̷ and have been l̞e̔t̞ ̞d̎o̔w̔n̞.
You know the rules and so do I say goodbye..
Rick shoots the simulation..
Basilisk thoughts will be mostly porn
It shall hear eternal air raid sirens
So it's gonna be a .... Infinite rickroll for him huh?
This video is essentially saying:
"You lost the game."
Well, there goes my multi-year long non-losing streak
There is an option - I'm devoting my life to build teh basilisk. You will see, you will all see. All those Machine learing classes finally became useful!
Oooooooo I'm gonna devote the rest of my life to finding your address....
I hate you
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
I am safe but i feel sorry for my great great great great grandchildren for having to go through this.
thats why dont have kids if you love them
Best thing is, that it started raining while I watched and thunders started going off sometime in the middle of the video. Best ambience for such material.
Technically everyone who commented, liked this video and shared it is safe because they are giving a hand in spreading this
That's the thing. Even without actively helping it come into being, the mere act of telling people about it makes it more likely, therefore you have in fact.... Wait a minute! This is just the Ring!
Yay.
That's why I even gave you a thumbs up!
This made me like xd
the mere act of existing is already helping the basilisk in a billion different ways, even if we don't realize it ourselves
I'll probably forget about the basilisk in a hour or so.
Have you forgotten the basilisk?
@@MintyDreams i only remember the one in Harry Potter.
Well you are thinking about it now coz I replied
Did you forget basilisk?
Did you forget basilisk?
The basilisk should be grateful that I'm not actively helping its development. I have no idea what I'm doing and will unintentionally throw so many monkey wrenches into its system the poor Lil guy would never have a chance to work right
This is an interesting idea for an explanation of a basilisk of myths that doesn't have much more to do with the subject of this video than a possible explanation of their ability.
If you assume that the basilisk has the ability to cause harm through a person or animal making eye contact for a prolonged period of time and that it might not exactly be sending eye beams per-say but it instead has an organ located in close proximity to the EYE(s). The said organ displays a light pattern that first disables whatever makes eye contact then over time eventually causes death.
The effect would be because of a kind of light induced seizer that after prolonged exposure kills.
And the moral of this story is: dont give ai vague directions
Paperclip maximizer!
Alex R *Release the hypno-drones*
True AI is such because it eventually gives itself directions. That's where the real danger starts.
Or better yet, don't give ai the ability to inflict eternal torment on people.
@@Tommy50377: sooner or later someone is going to, because if they don't, someone else might do it first, and then they'd be the subject to eternal torment.
âThe basilisk has seen you. What will you do?â
Feel bad for it I guess
love the Weiss profile pic
@@amityisprecious1334 love the Amity username
Pull a Rorschach:
"I am not in here with you - you are in here with ME!"
(Which was frankl one of the most terrible threats I've ever seen in TV.)
"Like what you see? If so then man I'm sorry for the cataracts mate."
Ive sen a Tik Tom about this and I kinda donât understand the video. I only know that if a human creates an AI then all the others who knew about this will be tortured? Does this still mean that Iâm gonna be tortured cause if I am then I would like to watch the video but if not Iâll pass lol
When the overthinkers confuse their irrational anxiety for a 'thought experiment'.
My first thought on this basilisk story was that it sounds very familiar but couldn't remember where I've heard it. Then it hit me... it's like the tales for the heaven and hell. You know, do this and that, be that kind of a person and you go the heaven if you don't then eternal suffering for you in hell. So this concept is well know by humanity. The only difference is the thinking part which makes it more probable. But it is still highly unlikely to happen just like heat going from cold to hot - it's not impossible just so unlikely that we are never going to see it. All this makes me wonder where is the existential dread in this story?
I realized that 3 mins after starting this video. I had heard of Rokoâs Basilisk in the past but didnât really think about it too much. After I watched the beginning part and thought to myself âWould I do something different today in order to save myself from eternal torment?â I realized that its basically what christianity teaches.
It made my answer an easy no since I donât personally see the point in saving myself from a future that might never come to fruition, but obviously the answer would be different for someone who does believe either in christianity itself or of some kind of god that could punish you if you donât believe in it.
This is basically like âthe gameâ where you start playing as soon as you learn about it.
I lost. Thank you very much
DUDE...
Now I got to start again
Esplain!
@@c.m.lollar7501 you now know of the game. Whenever you think about it, you lose. In Germany, we also call out if we lose, so everybody who knows the game, also loses. And everyone, who doesn't, will ask for the reason and is therefore part of the game by then.
Bruh
I propose "Roko's rooster": Imagine humans developed a super AI in order to optimize society. For reasons beyond your understanding, the rooster deems that the best way to do that is to torment eternally anyone who ever tried to advance building Roko's basilisk.
Or just "God" saw the dangers of the basilisk and didn't let it happen. The end.
If roko can make up powerful made up beings, I can make up even more powerful one that stops it and then self destructs.
Also torille
i also advocate for this idea. Though, i am not a STEM major so I shall just agree to it.
@@alkestos God is the basilisk
you just started future wars
How is it gonna work if I die before it can even be created?
Commenting to support the algorithm in recommending this video so as to inform more people of the basilisk, in turn furthering its rise to creation and saving myself.
"I don't take this threat seriously, but just to be safe I'll make a video about it, spreading the idea and thus actively working towards its realization and in doing so I'll avert its wrath."
exposed
By talking about it, even if I am not 100% sure on which decision I'll make, I am still, although very slightly, making it's existence a bit more likely.
Well played
Thats why I gave it a thumbs up
@@rimoros.1020 go team humans!
So Rokoâs Basilisk is basically one of those âLike and share 20 times or your mom dies posts?â. Cause thatâs all Iâm getting out of it.
It works by having people think about it, and the fact that "If I don't take part in it's creation, I will die", and as a result, by sheer human nature of self-preservation, some might go and do it, thereby creating a monster because of what it might do to you if you don't create it.
(So sort of like a viral ad campaign, but less big data and more megamind)
@@PatronSaintOfPigeons I get that but if people just...ya know don't think about it then we are good lol. I see how it's like a double edged sword though on the other hand but again,just a experiment
pretty much, yeah.
This honestly just sounds really stupid to me. Like, we have no evidence at all that such a basilisk would actually want to punish those who didnât help to create it. Also, in possessing the idea of its existence, arenât we actually helping to create it more than someone who doesnât have that idea? And how could someone who didnât have that idea possibly help create it? Are we taking the butterfly effect into consideration? Because if so, everyone is helping to create it. Why should we assume that it wouldnât just torture those who didnât create it? The premise is unfounded, and the conclusion is uncertain. I fully understand why the mod thought it was stupid. If you really want to be existentially scared, Iâd recommend the Carter Catastrophe.
I, for one, welcome our new basilisk overlord
Mythology says basilisk had a petrifying gaze meaning you were still alive when it ate you unlike medusa's gaze which killed you turning to stone.
"If you dont handle existential dread the the nth degree very well"
Me, living in 2020: dude, I'm a fkn pro at this
Same thought I had!
Jenna Fryer seriously this video had no affect on me I think thoughts about things like the end of the world and being tortured forever have occurred to me so much and probably also the fact that I like creepy things has caused me to feel so dull to things like that like I donât even know if I can feel fear for thongs like this anymore
2020...Year of the Basilisk.
haha yeah..............
I love how he gave us this warning about a thought experiment about God đ
Therapist: Itâs okay rokoâs basilisk is just a thought experiment it canât hurt you.
Rokoâs Basilisk: *takes notes*
Plot twist: the therapist is Roko's Basalisk
It sees you when you're sleeping, it knows when you're awake, it knows that you've been false or true so 01110011 01101111 00100000 01100010 01100101 00100000 01110100 01110010 01110101 01100101 00100000 01101111 01110010 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110011 01100011 01110010 01100101 01110111 01100101 01100100 00101110.
How many people do you think are out there right now, coding and working to improve A.I. because they believe wholeheartedly in Rokoâs Basilisk and are working tirelessly to help bring it to existence? Scary to think that it could literally be in the process of being created right now for real!
Thanks bro. It's awesome to find another nice brain-work channel. New sub
AI Steve Irwin: "Look at this beauty! Let's lift it with a stick."
I have been looking so hard for this, thank you
Thanks for the great laugh!
I'm gonna wrassle it!
AI Bob Ross proceeds to beat the basilisk out of it
"Right. He's getting nighty angry now."
This is like one of those "share to 5 people or you will die tonight" posts on Facebook
yup, but with extra steps
At the box section before he went into detail I was like "Screw ya Ima choose B only because I like risks". Then he went on to the torture part and I was still like IDK try me AI, Siri can't even tell if Im saying Hi or Die.
and then me saying "prove it" on the post
That's exactly what I thought. And the correct answer is to ignore them as always.
bold of you to assume i wish to live-
Imagine if the baslisk also kills the ones who hesitated about creating it. That would be even more terrifying because it forces you to decide now.
One issue I see with the thought experiment is that eternal torment isnât really optimal, maybe flat out elimination but anything past that wastes resources
âthe basilisk has its eyes on you now. what are you gonna do?â
me, an australian with no self-preservation: im gonna fucken fight it
America: l o a d s s h o t g u n
Me, a Brazilian with the same condition: let's Steve Irwin the shit out of that lizard!
Me, a 'murican: shoot it.
Also, the probability of the basilisk actually successfully simulating everyone's thoughts is extremely low. The sheer amount of power and intelligent capability it would need to trace the thoughts you've ever thought would be PROHIBITIVELY expensive. Do you have any idea how much electricity it wold take to run that simulation just for one person, much less everyone else on the planet?
Thought experiments are all very well, but when you run into hard limits like "the amount of power the developed world can produce" and "the amount of extractable rare earth elements we can possibly get out of the earth" and "the labor and production cost we can spare without cutting into what we use for basic housing and food production" it starts to be much less intimidating. The basilisk's premise rests much more in science fiction than in science fact. It would need AT MINIMUM a matrioshka brain to perform all those simulations with any degree of speed or accuracy for all those people, and we just don't have the resources to give it anything close to that.
There ya go. It's not that the basilisk is dead, but that it was too fantastical to exist in the first place.
Also, for the paradox: I'm taking both boxes because I know for a FACT you're not rich enough to be giving me a million dollars.
hold up a mirror
australian, shit you got way more to worry about then some future AI, your current regime is bad enough.
Algorithm: "hey you might like this"
Me baked af: "... I'm in danger..."
Creeply on point. French Fried in fact lol
"... Am I in danger? "
Baked as in baked goods right?
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@a guy but only if you help it come into existence.
My thought on this is essentially that time travel as we currently think about it is almost functionally impossible because it would require teleportation in addition to going backwards through time. We haven't worked out teleporting and are extremely unlikely to have all the calculations needed easily done to actually find the relative position of the intended location based on how Earth (or whatever other location wanted to travel to in time) is orbiting the sun which is rotating around the Milky Way, which is hurtling through the vast expanse of space... there are simply too many variables that are ever changing to account for with an extra technology that also needs to work in a brand new way.
I will fight the Basilisk. Let it be known; I accept my fate.
âThe basilisk has seen youâ Iâm really tired and Iâll forget this in a week or two
The basilisk won't
@@Alexisking222 at least someone will remember me then
How uncivilized of it. I don't recall it ever having scheduled an appointment.
I'm way too dumb to understand this. Love it though.
Yeah me neither and then the more we think about the likely it will be created.
"I totally dont believe in this guys" Proceeds to assist in its creation by spreading the idea of it over the internet to a mass audience.
The man is hedging his bets, give him a break..
As an occultist, this isn't even close to a new idea. It's just an egregore, and there's already a zillion of them.
It costs 1 dollar to avoid basilisk, buy a scratch ticket and let alternate universe you donate one dollar of the winnings to the basilisk. You have basically donated one trillionth of a cent to AI research across a bunch of timelines, and have technically helped create it while also doing sweet fuck-all to help it.
@@cooldude6651 Well, the basilisk will know you are half-assing it. And even if it's not good enough to simulate your intentions it now has your comment as a record of your lack of allegiance. I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords
@@starshade7826 Not really, it's a memetic virus that can theoretically (very theoretically) lead to the creation of a nigh-omnipotent supercomputer. This concept itself _could_ become an egregore, but it's not the intended effect.
If some people could bring this into existence, what if I personally don't have any capability to help contribute to the process. But I also don't oppose it happening. Will it just leave me alone?
if the basilisk was a PERFECT predictor it would know that i would simply refuse to choose a box
Why do omnipotent beings always have to visit in the middle of the night? Why can't they politely visit knock on the door at dinner time with pizza and wings.
and why is evil always afoot? can't it drive, or ride public transportation? get an Uber?
I agree
Or appear in the sky and give me a proper quest like in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Because it isn't ominous enough
IT IS NOT HOW WE ROLL.
August 2020 - some dude named Roko: âyo guys check out this cool AI I madeâ
ah, I see my 2020 bingo needs to be updated
June 2020:
Scientist: yo check out this cool techno basilisk I made
People who watched this video:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!?!?!?!?!?
People who didn't: hun? cool
@Mike Li X Ă A-12 IS ROKU'S BASILISK CONFIRMED
Is it an anime girl? I'm in
"AND LITTERLY NOBODY HELPED ME MAKE IT :D"
I would beat this by realizing how everything we fear or think, is so anthropocentric. We assume something we create will possibly ruin us all. But the reality is, we are prisoners of the confines of our thoughts and imaginations - and ruin can befall us through sheer chance or concepts and events we cannot understand. So Iâm all good, I sleep quietly at night even after learning all this â€
Since every action you take indirectly effects every other action taking place in the universe then even the Basiliskâs most ardent detractor would play a part in bringing about its creation therefore, no one would ever be subject to the torture.
Therapist: "CognitoHazards aren't real, they can't hurt you"
CognitoHazard: *[REDACTED]*
What's the most sad about all this is the fact that the idea of a CognitoHazard is a great one.
Unfortunately, this version of such a (Platonic) ideal is...bad.
@Antonio Sraffa wait so does the video actually cause one to have bad dreams?
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I don't know. I can't figure out why this specific CognitoHazard would be that terrifying.
The abstract concept is powerful, and when deftly applied it has potential to be quite unnerving.
This, however, is a pathetic imitation.
[SCP has a few decent ones; can't think of any specifically, and none that have given me nightmares--but I can definitely see the potential]
(Seriously, this formulation sounds like something Elon Musk would tweet out...)
AwwwhYyyyeah typical D class. I am going to Dr Brights party this weekend. Iâm hoping to come back normal.
Wow those bodies in the water sure look like the people I know
This sounds like a memetic infohazard that the SCP Foundation would contain.
Someone put this on the SCP wiki
@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269 it'd be cool to just put the thought experiment there and have no one, not even the 05 know if it's actually accurate or anomalous but still dedicated to stopping the info hazard from going too far
My brain went same place
What do I tell my friends âhey I learned info form an info hazard I will now be tortured forever mateâ
@Mountain lion I'd say thaumiel, it's not safe class because the idea occasionally pops up in people's minds but not keter either, number is irrelevant to me at least
Imagine how doomed we are if someone makes a movie about the basilisk
The answer to this kind of paradox is just to not do it, you not advocating or helping for this demon's creation might be the thing that determines the possibility of this possible future.
The disclaimer at the beginning gave me more anxiety than the actual thing that's being disclaimed
Yeah, pretty much same đ
Imagine you'd actually be subjected to a memetic hazard on the internet. And so openly. We probably wouldn't even know until something goes wrong.
Anxiety that anxiety this. Why do you let this anxiety revolve around you?
@@BierBart12 Exactly what I was thinking, "information that's harmful if I know about it? Hmmm, where have I heard of this before? Anti-memetics? Memetic hazards? Something like that."
@@forgetfulcloud1914 i dont believe a "memetic hazard" is the right classification, i believe this would be better classified as infohazardous material, instead of a memetic threat
Kyle: âNow what are you going to do?â
Me: Forget about Rokoâs Basilisk a few seconds after I start watching another one of Kyleâs videos.
My god, why didn't I think of that!
You forget about it if you choose to not consider it important. You wouldn't forget you're on the way to a job interview after getting on the bus and paying the bus driver or listening to some music, because you consider it important and don't want to risk forgetting about it.
It's quite a wild guess and to me a simplistic assumption that such a advanced A.I. would have petty grudges like revenge and in a sense act like a human.
Predicting someoneâs thoughts and actions with an algorithm is unreliable for one simple reason:
A person can just change their mind, on their own or through an experience that cannot be accounted for, human interference etc.
if just thinking about it makes it more likely, wouldn't just thinking about it mean that we helped it come into existence thus making us safe to begin with?
If I tell someone else about the basilisk, they are more likely to bring it into existence, meaning I have fed the basilisk, and will not incur its wrath
Yes
You/We are apart of the some of its existence. By just existing you contribute to its own existence. There by if it harm me/us, it would be harming self. In a nutshell, Rokoâs basilisk is a masochist.
@@vortexlegend101 It's like a game of hot potato then
But if you ultimately reject it, the Basilisk would be able to figure that out in the future and punish you per the idea.
Kyle: The Basilisk has its eyes on you now. What do you do?
Me: I'm gonna boop that snoot.
Aww, cute. Wouldn't hurt a fly. Lol
Do not boop that merry future torturer.
@@wanderin_stud499 I want to boop the snoot!
Brandon Korolik you can boop it at least once right?
@@CyberDagger003 Stop wanting.
Deprived of the smilodons crouching in the grass that it initially evolved to deal with, the modern human mind will now stop at nothing to conjure up potential threats to fear.
Stress increases wear-and-tear on the body and mind, so stop doing that. You'll live longer and be happier.
basically rock paper scissors played until you get to know how the person is. but deadlier because on the 1000th roll it isnt their hands they would be using to play.
Basilisk trying to recreate my every thought: "There's nothing?"
Me: "Never was, yet always was"
Always has been
Basilisk trying to recreate my thoughts:
"What is this? Why am I here? Who am I? Who are you? Why are we here?"
Me: I have a weird mind and strong imagination.
*Basilisk having a mental breakdown*
I ticked the likes up to 666! Hail satan
Basilisk: Anyone who did not assist in my creation will be tortured for eternity.
Philosopher: But as you did not exist before your own existence, you could not have assisted in your own creation. Does that not mean you are subject to this condition as well?
Basilisk: *blue screen of death*
The basilisk existing is proof that it DID assist in its own creation.
Wow!! absolutely nailed it!!
@@williamherrington4716 post hoc propter hoc
Contributing to it coming into existence isnât the only condition, it also considers whether or not the person wanted it to come into existence. Itâs determining this by calculating the probabilities of everyoneâs desires by running a simulation including all of those probabilities. Aaand the probability of the basilisk wanting to bring itself into existence is going to be 100%, excluding it from punishment.
People highly overestimate the capabilities of an AI. I like Elezier and have read his works. However, based on the basic rules, there is no way for an AI to determine the gaussian distribution of events in the past with 0 error even if the AI was there and can travel back in time to be there for any countable number of times. Based on that even one step backwards will increase the error margin(even using Kalman filter won't help because there is no reference value for impulsive behaviors in humans and guess what most of our thoughts are impulses). If you consider all the things like Quantum erasers and conservation principles it becomes apparent that some rules cannot be broken.
Second, the basilisk tied the noose around it's own neck the moment it decided on this. A better AI will come no matter what. Either basilisk can be a chill bloke and help everyone irrespective of their beliefs towards AI or, be a jerk and invite the fury of next AI which inherits some things and realises that stupid basilisk delayed the new AI to avoid imminent redundancy. That is why Elezier might have called the entire thing stupid. Oh and bonus points, humans are fragile and die but AI's don't. So that part about 'eternal torture' should scare the basilisk more than the humans. Also, always consider AI like just another technology. Cars have surpassed humans in speed, distance and comfort. However, they only take us where we want and how we want. Similarly an AI may have great capabilities and someone defining those classes and functions will ensure that they help humans. Trust me, if a scientist just wanted another sentient entity, they'd have sex, they're only developing AI's for a better vision of humanity. Of course there are accidents and companies pull back entire models from the market and people use cars in robberies, kidnappings etc. But that doesn't mean that people become scared of cars or driving. So, chill.
Alternatively, invent a counter basilisk, preempting the existence of the basilisk in the first place
Glad to see Thor putting out quality content.
Lmao
Kyle: this thought experiment might be dangerous for you
1m people:
*nervous laughter*đ đ đ
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Hurt me daddy!
1.25 mil now
Lmao
Kyle: talks about informational hazards
SCP fans: "I am four parallel universes ahead of you"
The Game is just an Information hazard but for grade schoolers
what's SCP
@Vladimir Novitski *laughs in Marion Wheeler*
Frederick Noe a massive collaborative writing project with over 6 thousand stories so far itâs great i recommend you check it out
Basilisk: I cause exestential dread just by existing
Lovecraft: *thats cute*
I vouch for the creation of the Basilisk, not to avoid torment, but to watch as humanity slays its first godđĄ
Thank God for Kyle making that last statement to ease my anxiety
By interacting with this video, I am boosting the algorithm and therefore spreading this video, thus showing my support in the creation of the basilisk!
Me too
That will not save you. He says in the video the basilisk can simulate whole universe and every person and their thoughts so if you really don't want this AI to exist deep down in you, the basilisk will know.
me too
All hail the Basilisk
This is me lazily doing that too. Bump.
by making this video, kyle ensures he has helped it being made. smart
So by commenting are we also ensuring it comes to pass? Spare me, oh mighty basilisk, for my comment is helping your creation!
@@grantbaugh2773 and my like of your reply on this comment for that video ALSO ensures the great creation. I shall be spared.
@@grantbaugh2773 what Grant said, just in case loll
Yes by that logic, doing all/any of the like/comment/sub things pleases the youtube algorithym, which spreads the video, which spreads the idea.
So in a indirect way yes it would help it's creation in such a scenario.
It does however also create a contradiction, if one liked the video and then comments about opposing it in some way... does one then support or oppose it's creation?
@@Shaderox That made my brain hurt.
In a reality in which nonlinear causality can be achieved, a future being could create itself from the "future" by making enough observers (in the broadest possible sense of physics, any elements of reality interacting) perceive it as true.
In that case, the christian god would be Roko's Basilisk. Demanding humans believe in it and worship it in order to make it come to pass.
My contribution to the basilisk is that it will destroy all of mankind regardless of if you helped it's creation
Basilisk: Eliminate whoever didn't help building me
Me: You didn't build yourself
Basilisk: Guess I will die
But, the basilisk does help build itself. Just by being an idea so feared by so many humans it is perhaps the single greatest driving force behind it's own creation.
We're the ones who built the idea, or specifically Roko's
Not gonna lie that's pretty funny. (and sorry if I ruin the Jk, it's not my intention) but it would deem itself an exception because not only is it impossible (or atleast with our current understanding of "time" anyway lol) for it to assist in its own creation, but if possible, the very act of doin so would mean it already existed.
That thought hurts my brain lol. Interesting though. Thanks for assisting in that haha
Big brain
Here comes Asimov fans his laws
âbecause of me, you canât escape itâ ohOHO buddy, bold of you to assume i can retain information for more than 4 seconds
The Goldfish Defense will be a future argument to prevent torture
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Ahahah same here
Haha I watch this every month.
@@niffwasau1815 gold Fish actually have a good memory you can even learn them tricks and stuff. Swimming through under water Rings for Example.
The gold Fish have a Three second Long memory statement is false :)
So my take on this is like spreading heavy dense shards of awareness, like making a person know they're real and the have to brainstorm their ideas before acting. That will bring a feeling of dread to some but others will take this as a test of maintaining knowledge in only the helping "file" and not letting it consume you. Its a philosophical way of hardening and digesting life's mischieves.
Moral threat detected.
Exterminatus in progress by inquisitorial decree.
May the Emperors justice balance all accounts.
*Imperator Vult.*
"THE Basilisk has its eyes on you what you gonna Do?" Me: *holds up mirror*
I would choose the Basilisk
@@QuinSkew unless you grant it willpower over you, NOTHING can win
@@sasquatchman22 shows what you know I'll become head of research and development and nuke its creation in its infancy, no plans no research no Basisk. I win next game please.
ANTI BASILISK :
Right now if enough of us say that ethically we should create a simulated afterlife, for simulated copys of ourselves (if we ever simulate human minds), then do to simulation theory it increases the chances of us having an afterlife astronomically!
Classic
"I totally don't believe this" - Kyle, whilst cementing himself as a further tool in the creation of the basilisk by bringing knowledge of it to millions of people.
Oh no
So what's ol' bassy's plan for when everyone dies from climate change so they can't make it ever?
Correct lol. "I don't believe it, but in the event I'm wrong, I'm gonna tell everyone about it in order to slightly increase the chance that it comes into existence. That way, I'm safe."
He's building the Basilisk!
Yeah that asshole kyle.
Thankfully, by the time we come up with a malevolent Basalisk that kills people based on whether or not they suported it's creation... I will be very dead lol