It's about conductivity. The cake in the 350 degree oven; you can put your hand in the air for a few seconds. You can put your finger in the cake for a second or two. You can touch the pan for a fraction of a second.
correct and thermal mass, leather is a better conductor and has higher mass. Higher mass = more energy saved. Like comparing a solid hot stone and sand , both are even made from the same material. But a the stone will burn and sand doesn't. Further does cheap temperature gauges are about radiated temperature. That's surface, doesn't tell you much how hot the seat is on the inside.
@@niuhuskieguy That might have helped keep the temperatures a little more even, but thermal conductivity makes a much bigger difference than a few degrees of temperature in whether it burns you. It's all about how quickly the seat material transfers its heat to you.
Leather (or vinyl) doesn't actually get any hotter than cloth. It just seems that way because there is more skin contact which allows it to conduct heat directly from the leather/vinyl into your body. Cloth is made up of a bunch of tiny threads separated by air. Air is a poor conductor of heat. Therefore cloth will always feel cooler in the summer or warmer in the winter because of all the air surrounding the fabric threads. There just isn't as much surface contact with your skin to allow the heat transfer.
Well that makes sense. But how do you explain how leather feels like ice in the winter and cloth feels like a blanket. Wouldnt leather be a better insulator as well and warm up faster than the cloth? But it feels like learher takes an eternity to warm up compared to cloth.
@@MrInzombia No, because remember, it's all about heat transfer. With the greater surface contact of leather against your skin, it can conduct that heat INTO your skin when the leather is warmer than your body temperature (summer) but will also conduct the heat OUT of your skin when it is cooler (winter). With cloth, It "acts like a blanket" because of that greater amount of air surrounding the fibers. The inefficiency of the air reduces the amount of heat that is pulled OUT of your skin. The science is that it's all about transferring heat. There is no such thing as transferring cold. Cold is just the absence of heat. Heat always wants to escape to an area of less heat (cold). It doesn't matter if that heat is in the leather and wants to go into your cooler skin in the summer, or if that heat is in your skin and wants to escape to the cooler leather in the winter.
@Armando Sturzenegger Okay? Would you care to explain how that is "wrong"? I'm certainly open to learning how I failed in my reasoning. Can you give a well explained scientific reason for which I failed to account?
I would imagine it's a combination of the thermal resistivity of the material coupled with air moment. Some materials will insulate heat more than others so there must be a difference in the solid fibers of the cotton and leather resisting change in temperature after sitting in the sun/cold for several hours, even if they both transmitted no air odds are leather is going to retain more heat in its solids because its a thicker material. There's also air movement through cloth seats since when you sit compressing the foam will create air velocity through the cloth fibers.
Except they're comparing what you can buy, the only black cloth interior ford offers is a special edition interior which has to be ordered like that otherwise cloth comes in medium gray and medium light camel while Ford's sport cloth comes in black only. Therefore their test was valid as they were comparing the two dark color options that consumers can buy easily with their truck.
Zachary Solomon But you get black cloth with the Sport appearance package and possibly the STX. The Lariat being compared to has the Sport Appearance pkg with the black leather.
@@lucwilson1 well, I didn't know that the sports appearance package did but still without it you still can't get the black cloth. But you can always get the black leather either way with or without sports appearance package.
It's not about temperature itself, leather has a higher heat capacity and it's more dense so when you sit on leather seats your skin has to take all the heat and you get your bottom burned for a long time. Meanwhile cloth has next to no heat capacity, it's porous so it barely touches your skin so when you sit on cloth seat they cool down almost immediately.
The test of the cooled seats was a little compromised, when Nathan sat on it, he absorbed some of it, which I’m guessing caused the drop so quickly, still awesome to have the cooled seats!
Strangely enough I prefer leather seats here in the South in the summer, cloth always feels like it holds more heat when you’re sitting on it for extended periods, but I do usually go for a light gray.
you won't say this if you owned a black porsche convertible with leather seating in southwest fla. The leather surface will literally scald your skin after just half hour at the beach.
It also about breath-ability. I can't stand leather seats without a cooling function. My ass and back gets sooooo sweaty. On a cloth seat though, no problem. In the winter it's the opposite. Holy f*ck what a leather seat can be cold.
It does make a difference on the color of the seats also. I have the Adobe (light brown) leather seats in mine and they will not get as hot as the black leather seats.
There are 3 important physical properties that are going to determine the experience when skin comes into contact with these materials. You examined only 1 of the 3. 1 - temperature -- how fast are the seat molecules wiggling around? 2 - thermal conductivity - at what rate can the seat transfer its energy to the skin? 3 - specific heat (thermal mass) - how much total energy from the sun can it put away and store in there to be transferred out later? - as it dumps energy into skin does its temperature decrease very rapidly (no burn) or very slowly (burn)? Proper experiment, no tools required, that examines all 3 - put on your Magnum P.I.'s and hop in there.
I install aftermarket leather seats and I also do heated and cooled seats. They are a must for anyone who does a ton of driving, or if you live in Texas.
I find that leather doesn't burn you like vinyle does, but cloth is the way to go for hot weather, cloth doesn't give you a sweaty back during long trips
After three years in the central Alabama sun, I'm used to leather seared back bacon. With a sore back, it honestly feels heavenly. Only have a sunroof, but non tinted windows with a titanium grey paint job and black leather interior. Once I get the hot AIR out, I'm fine. I don't even turn the AC on until I'm about 5-10 min down the road unless my car reads over 101F. Then it's on immediately.
Real world experience...Leather loses BIG TIME in the summer for burning the crap outta you....and also COLD AF in winter. Test it with your bare NAKED ASS and not your thermometer. I call this the SCREAM test. Cloth wins.
My car has grey leather seats, still hot in the sun. However, my mom has black cloth seats in her car and they feel a little bit cooler when in direct sunlight vs. my car
@@ProudiPhoneOwner Yes but if you had cloth seats like your mom your grey seat would be cooler than your moms black seats. The material and color counts.
With all the seat cooling you should try the steering wheel arm rest and where you rest your arm out the window, I have black leather and it catches me out every time when in a rush.
No - they were not set to a max of 115 (as in won't show a higher temperature). The min and max on the display just shows the min and max temperature the thermometer reached since the last reset. That way you can leave the thermometer for hours and you will be able to read the lowest and highest temperature measured within those hours.
God i love that blue color, cloth seats are superior to leather when you live in a 4 season climate -- just wish you could get the xlt with adaptive cruise control...
Yep, I like the XLT better but there are unfortunately a few options that matter to me, for example power-folding mirrors (in my parking space I have to do it on both sides every time to get in and then out). A lot of problematic things for some of us in terms of which options can be had and which not, such as you can't get the sport look with the front bench seats nor can you get above a trim or park assist with front bench,
Would love to see y’all do another test to test the differences in the following: Does different color leather heat differently (it should but how much) Which warms up faster from frigid temps, leather or cloth? Thanks and as always, great content!
Darker colours will always be hotter than lighter colours, same a exterior paint colour That is one of the reasons white coloured cars outsell black ones in places like Florida, California and the Middle East
Kinda feel like having the door open plus big man sitting in it helped cool ir down so fast.. yeah I'm sure the ventilation helped but I'm Sure the open door and 98 degrees ass in the seat helped lol
Interesting findings and neat to see how quickly the ventilated seats cooled down. I'd be concerned about odor accumulation over time with the suction based heat ventilation systems. I know that when I get into a hot car and I'm sweating, I'm not freshly showered fresh smelling. All of that said, I've always been under the assumption that the discussions surrounding seating surface materials addressed how the occupants felt when seated. For instance, does a leather or faux leather surface make for a hotter / cooler experience when against clothing or skin? How well does the seating surface breath, etc? The typical assumption is that cloth seating is cooler, but may be not when the leather seating surfaces are ventilated.
The problem with Mustang GT isn't necessarily the premium black interior, it's that gosh darn 5.0L V8 that heats up the air over the hood before it enters the cabin! Thanks to Nathan's explanation, I'll be sure to use the great ventilated seats more often.
I live in Florida. Can't for the life of me understand why anyone would buy a black car with black leather. Cloth only for me unless seats are ventilatied.... Which is hard to come by with reasonable affordability... Thanks Hyundai/Kia!
The seat started cooling the moment you sat in it, before you even turned the cheek chiller on. The hot seat and your cooler clothing and body temp stated to equalize when contact was made. As you sat and explained how the cooler worked you where helping cool the seat. I bet the cooler would have taken longer to drop the seat temp if you hadn’t of sat in it first.
Unless Ford changed the design completely, which I would doubt, my 2016 F150 lariat used TEDs (Thermo-Electric Devices (think mini heat pump)) to heat and cool the seats with air-conditioned air (just not from the normal HVAC system). They were definitely not just ventilated seats. Easiest way to tell is to find the hot exhaust air. In the case of the F150, the map pocket areas got HOT from the TED exhaust for the seat back in cooling mode.
This is why you tint your windows, I have leather seats and never got burned from the seats being to hot and I do not have ventilated seats just heated 👍
Those leather seats will heat more than the cloth ones will due to the darker, black absorbs more heat than any other colour, white absorbing the least. The black leather may not get any hotter than say a BLACK cloth seat, but the leather is smooth versus a perforation in the cloth seat, meaning more contact with your body when you sit in it, and more heat will be transferred.
Ptguy0618 I believe new Ford Super Duties do, in F-150 literature they always use the term ventilated but use the word cooled in F-250/350/450 literature. Also, the button in super duty says “A/C” but the button in every F-150 I’ve been in doesn’t. I could be wrong about this but I will say, in my ‘19 F-250 when I turn them on, the A/C light comes on, even if I have climate control turned off.
How about taking a truck and testing fuel mileage with the tailgate up, tailgate down, and the tailgate removed. I'd be interested in knowing if you do gain any mileage, or if the manufacturers are right when they say the truck will do better with the tailgate closed.
I know this would be too expensive to be practical, but I always thought that if cars had ducting through the dashboard and door upper surfaces, it would cool the car down quickly. When you get in a hot car, you crank up the AC to max and it blows the cold air on you, but the dash and upper door surfaces remain hot and continue to radiate that heat into the cabin until the AC can cool the air down enough to affect the cabin surfaces.
MICHAEL GRANT Yes there are vents for the AC to blow on the passengers, but I’m talking about similar venting like the cooled seats where the upper dash and door surfaces are cooled down when the system is turned on. If you get in a hot car, the surfaces exposed to the sun stay hot and keeps radiating heat until the overall cabin temperature cools down enough that they finally cool down as well. If the system can actively cool down those surfaces faster, then the cabin will get cooler faster as well.
I never even heard of ventilated seat. I don't think majority of cars don't have it and if they do it comes at a hefty price on higher trims. I think a more ideal test is how fast the AC can cool the seats.
i remember the old plastic seat covers with bumps on them..... here in Arizona if you wore shorts sat on a seat with the covers your legs back looked like a waffle... I felt they were stupid to sell those in Arizona in the 60-70's as well now
No, you’re wrong, the ventilated seats have a TED device that creates cold on one side and heat on the other. The seat fans draw the warm air out and vents the hot air under the seat. I used to have a 2015 F150 with this technology.
My car sometimes sits in heat of around 90 degrees. Now I know some people are in hotter temps but what do you guys think. Do I close my sunroof shade, and the shade is black or do I let the sun hit my white leather seats?
The thing is that not everyone has cooling seats for example my dad has a 1967 Chrysler 300 with black interior I would personal like cloth seats then the leather
Okay how about in this real life scenerio.. your truck is sitting outside not in the shade seat is hot, you get in and drive off to your local gym after cooling off your seats and the gym is about a 15 min drive. You drive with only sunroof open no climate because you want to preserve the gas in your trip so cloth vs leather when you arrive which seat is hotter right after you get off? Which seat gave you a more sweetie back ??
why in the world would you compare light gray cloth to a black leather seat, the color black absorbs more heat. this like comparing a white painted car and a black painted in Texas midsummer heat, of course, the car with black interior and/or exterior will be hotter than the alternative. For goodness sake, we learned about this back in 2nd grade
Conductivity is the reason leather seems way hotter. The color difference pretty much explains the temp differential more than the material itself. #notsurprising If you want to feel what a hot seat actually feels like, bring that truck to Phoenix or Las Vegas in mid/late July.
I thought you were measuring direct heating on the seat surface through the sun roof. Why does it look like you were measuring sun on seats through the wind shield? Based on sun angle and where you measured, that is.
Random question if these ventilated seat suck the air instead of blown wouldnt that be a problem in the future as dirt starts getting sucked in and boom no more ventilated seats
Just a temperature measurement doesn't tell the whole story. Have you ever wondered why a pan has a wood or plastic coated handle? This is because of conductivity, or a materials ability to transfer its heat to your hand. If you ever made the mistake to touch an old pan with a steel handle while its on the stove, you would find out that steel can conduct the heat much better than wood or plastic. Fabric feels more temperate because it is bad at transferring a hot or cold temperature.
The temp change was probably just because the leather was black. The reason leather is hot is because the material transfers heat to your skin faster than cloth.
If your saying that you probly have a gm vehicle lol ....my Passat is a year old and the leather looks new, I also have a 97jeep again the leather looks brand new. Just condition regularly and crack your windows when it’s hot.
MICHAEL GRANT I think a positive for leather is it’s less static during the winter. I can’t stand being zapped constantly and with leather seats it barely ever happens.
Hope someone can chime in?I have a 2011 Charger with an ALL BLACK interior,seats,dashboard,carpet,etc....I cannot find anywhere on Web if other people have complaints of it being ABSOLUTELY SEARING HEAT in Summer!I mean a BAD design with use of all the plastic in cars nowadays doesn't help but I actually avoid driving it on real hot days bc the A/C has to run Full throttle too attempt to cool it,The A/C works fine it just cannot cool All that 275°F Plastic$!Really Sucks that I don't wanna drive my car in summer anymore,Its That BAD!Truly my Only Big Complaint about the Car!!HELP ANYONE on ideas?I gotta get me one of those temp gauges,I bet this thing gets 200-300°F for sure!
The biggest thing for me is not the beginning temp of the seats, but that leather/vinyl doesn't breathe, so it stays awful. Leather is also slippery, less durable,, and needs more maintenance. Only cloth for me. Leather is an awful seating choice...both in cars and out.
It's about conductivity. The cake in the 350 degree oven; you can put your hand in the air for a few seconds. You can put your finger in the cake for a second or two. You can touch the pan for a fraction of a second.
Exactly. All the same temperature, but one burns and the other doesn't.
correct and thermal mass, leather is a better conductor and has higher mass. Higher mass = more energy saved. Like comparing a solid hot stone and sand , both are even made from the same material. But a the stone will burn and sand doesn't. Further does cheap temperature gauges are about radiated temperature. That's surface, doesn't tell you much how hot the seat is on the inside.
@ihategooglespooks Better yet, it would have been a better test if the seats were the same shade.
@@niuhuskieguy That might have helped keep the temperatures a little more even, but thermal conductivity makes a much bigger difference than a few degrees of temperature in whether it burns you. It's all about how quickly the seat material transfers its heat to you.
I realize it is kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good place to stream newly released series online?
Leather seats do get pretty hot from my experience of road trips
Leather (or vinyl) doesn't actually get any hotter than cloth. It just seems that way because there is more skin contact which allows it to conduct heat directly from the leather/vinyl into your body. Cloth is made up of a bunch of tiny threads separated by air. Air is a poor conductor of heat. Therefore cloth will always feel cooler in the summer or warmer in the winter because of all the air surrounding the fabric threads. There just isn't as much surface contact with your skin to allow the heat transfer.
Well that makes sense. But how do you explain how leather feels like ice in the winter and cloth feels like a blanket. Wouldnt leather be a better insulator as well and warm up faster than the cloth? But it feels like learher takes an eternity to warm up compared to cloth.
@@MrInzombia No, because remember, it's all about heat transfer. With the greater surface contact of leather against your skin, it can conduct that heat INTO your skin when the leather is warmer than your body temperature (summer) but will also conduct the heat OUT of your skin when it is cooler (winter). With cloth, It "acts like a blanket" because of that greater amount of air surrounding the fibers. The inefficiency of the air reduces the amount of heat that is pulled OUT of your skin.
The science is that it's all about transferring heat. There is no such thing as transferring cold. Cold is just the absence of heat. Heat always wants to escape to an area of less heat (cold). It doesn't matter if that heat is in the leather and wants to go into your cooler skin in the summer, or if that heat is in your skin and wants to escape to the cooler leather in the winter.
@Armando Sturzenegger Okay? Would you care to explain how that is "wrong"? I'm certainly open to learning how I failed in my reasoning. Can you give a well explained scientific reason for which I failed to account?
@@jeff92k7 no. Just wrong :-)
I would imagine it's a combination of the thermal resistivity of the material coupled with air moment. Some materials will insulate heat more than others so there must be a difference in the solid fibers of the cotton and leather resisting change in temperature after sitting in the sun/cold for several hours, even if they both transmitted no air odds are leather is going to retain more heat in its solids because its a thicker material. There's also air movement through cloth seats since when you sit compressing the foam will create air velocity through the cloth fibers.
You guys should have done a competition to see who could sit on the hot seats the longest without moving.
One test was missing, without using the ventilation function which one will cool faster using only ac 😁
Don't forget a certain somebody acted as a large area heat sink while starting the the truck. :)
Need the same color interiors. There will be a temperature difference between black vs gray
John Kolb Jr Exactly. Test is flawed from the beginning. Black absorbs more of the sun’s heat than the light gray.
Except they're comparing what you can buy, the only black cloth interior ford offers is a special edition interior which has to be ordered like that otherwise cloth comes in medium gray and medium light camel while Ford's sport cloth comes in black only. Therefore their test was valid as they were comparing the two dark color options that consumers can buy easily with their truck.
Zachary Solomon But you get black cloth with the Sport appearance package and possibly the STX. The Lariat being compared to has the Sport Appearance pkg with the black leather.
@@lucwilson1 well, I didn't know that the sports appearance package did but still without it you still can't get the black cloth. But you can always get the black leather either way with or without sports appearance package.
You are absolutely correct, with the difference in colors they are comparing apples to oranges.
It's not about temperature itself, leather has a higher heat capacity and it's more dense so when you sit on leather seats your skin has to take all the heat and you get your bottom burned for a long time. Meanwhile cloth has next to no heat capacity, it's porous so it barely touches your skin so when you sit on cloth seat they cool down almost immediately.
What matters is how hot it feels when you sit on it, not how hot it is.
Leather is nice to look at say you have. But in reality it sucks. Makes your ass sweaty in summer, and gives you frost bite in winter.
The test of the cooled seats was a little compromised, when Nathan sat on it, he absorbed some of it, which I’m guessing caused the drop so quickly, still awesome to have the cooled seats!
Strangely enough I prefer leather seats here in the South in the summer, cloth always feels like it holds more heat when you’re sitting on it for extended periods, but I do usually go for a light gray.
you won't say this if you owned a black porsche convertible with leather seating in southwest fla. The leather surface will literally scald your skin after just half hour at the beach.
I wouldn’t ever own a Naz-ehhh German car, and I definitely wouldn’t get into it naked.
Joseph Whiskey Beale 🤣🤣🤣
It also about breath-ability.
I can't stand leather seats without a cooling function. My ass and back gets sooooo sweaty.
On a cloth seat though, no problem.
In the winter it's the opposite. Holy f*ck what a leather seat can be cold.
pelleper first world problems
pelleper .
It does make a difference on the color of the seats also. I have the Adobe (light brown) leather seats in mine and they will not get as hot as the black leather seats.
There are 3 important physical properties that are going to determine the experience when skin comes into contact with these materials. You examined only 1 of the 3.
1 - temperature -- how fast are the seat molecules wiggling around?
2 - thermal conductivity - at what rate can the seat transfer its energy to the skin?
3 - specific heat (thermal mass) - how much total energy from the sun can it put away and store in there to be transferred out later? - as it dumps energy into skin does its temperature decrease very rapidly (no burn) or very slowly (burn)?
Proper experiment, no tools required, that examines all 3 - put on your Magnum P.I.'s and hop in there.
I install aftermarket leather seats and I also do heated and cooled seats. They are a must for anyone who does a ton of driving, or if you live in Texas.
Yes. And colder in the winter too.
I find that leather doesn't burn you like vinyle does, but cloth is the way to go for hot weather, cloth doesn't give you a sweaty back during long trips
After three years in the central Alabama sun, I'm used to leather seared back bacon. With a sore back, it honestly feels heavenly. Only have a sunroof, but non tinted windows with a titanium grey paint job and black leather interior. Once I get the hot AIR out, I'm fine. I don't even turn the AC on until I'm about 5-10 min down the road unless my car reads over 101F. Then it's on immediately.
Real world experience...Leather loses BIG TIME in the summer for burning the crap outta you....and also COLD AF in winter.
Test it with your bare NAKED ASS and not your thermometer. I call this the SCREAM test. Cloth wins.
But it is also about the color! Black seats will always be hotter than grey seats!
My car has grey leather seats, still hot in the sun. However, my mom has black cloth seats in her car and they feel a little bit cooler when in direct sunlight vs. my car
@@ProudiPhoneOwner Yes but if you had cloth seats like your mom your grey seat would be cooler than your moms black seats. The material and color counts.
I love my Leather seats. Will never get cloth again.
Can you explain why?
With all the seat cooling you should try the steering wheel arm rest and where you rest your arm out the window, I have black leather and it catches me out every time when in a rush.
I always wondered how the ventilated seats worked on my F-250 (same seats as the F-150 Lariat in the video) now I know (and it does work quite well)!
I discovered the same thing about my ventilated seats. They work impressively well.
This is probably the single most useful video in determining if the upgrade in trim from XLT to Lariat is worth the price bump.
Now try that in Las Vegas. Depending on where in the city you are it was 105 - 111 degrees.
Cloth seats All day any day, regardless where you live.
Every Ford/lincoln I've owned moves cold air through the seat not the fan as nathan described
I have sheepskin seat covers)) all ways is cool , and in cold all ways is warm!
@@beaudaniel1370 worth it
One thing I noticed was the temperature gauges in the trucks were set a max 115, those interiors will get hotter then that
No - they were not set to a max of 115 (as in won't show a higher temperature). The min and max on the display just shows the min and max temperature the thermometer reached since the last reset. That way you can leave the thermometer for hours and you will be able to read the lowest and highest temperature measured within those hours.
Cloth seats trap farts but farts don't get trapped in leather seats. I thinks you guys should test that.
I have often wondered about the fart capacitance value associated with cloth seats!
@@YasumotoUS Hear here!
Cope you two.
He literally cooled a seat with his ass at 6:30. Throw this whole experiment out the window
Back in the day, comfort didn't matter. But, these days, it does! Who doesn't like comfort in their car or truck? 😆😎
Korean translation & summary
가죽 시트와 천 시트보다 더 뜨거운가?
같은 F150에서 (실내온도 27도) 야외로 이동하여 썬루프를 열고 땡볕에 세워둔 다음 비접촉 온도계를 이용해서 햇볕이 쬐는 부분과 아닌 부분을 측정함. 참고로 가죽시트는 통풍시트임.
천시트 (실험전 야외 햇볕 노출) : 31.3도
가죽시트 (실험전 야외 햇볕 노출) : 34.6도
1시간 경과 후
천시트 실내온도 : 46도, 그늘부분 천시트 : 36도, 햇볕부분 천시트 : 56.1도
가죽시트 실내온도 : 46도, 그늘부분 가죽시트 : 38.3도, 햇볕부분 가죽시트 : 59.4도
가죽 통풍시트 에어컨 작동 30초 후 31.1도로 실내온도 저하, 그늘부분 가죽시트 : 24.4도, 햇볕부분 가죽시트 : 33.3도
OMG I had to select ventilated seat!
The true test is sitting on them with shorts . The cloth won't burn like leather 😂
God i love that blue color, cloth seats are superior to leather when you live in a 4 season climate -- just wish you could get the xlt with adaptive cruise control...
Yep, I like the XLT better but there are unfortunately a few options that matter to me, for example power-folding mirrors (in my parking space I have to do it on both sides every time to get in and then out). A lot of problematic things for some of us in terms of which options can be had and which not, such as you can't get the sport look with the front bench seats nor can you get above a trim or park assist with front bench,
Would love to see y’all do another test to test the differences in the following:
Does different color leather heat differently (it should but how much)
Which warms up faster from frigid temps, leather or cloth?
Thanks and as always, great content!
Darker colours will always be hotter than lighter colours, same a exterior paint colour
That is one of the reasons white coloured cars outsell black ones in places like Florida, California and the Middle East
Kinda feel like having the door open plus big man sitting in it helped cool ir down so fast.. yeah I'm sure the ventilation helped but I'm Sure the open door and 98 degrees ass in the seat helped lol
I definitely need seat coolers here in Minnesota 😂
Someone’s rock’n the Rush 2112 Starman T-shirt. Andre needs to step up his game!
You will never see any Russian wearing that shirt
Interesting findings and neat to see how quickly the ventilated seats cooled down. I'd be concerned about odor accumulation over time with the suction based heat ventilation systems. I know that when I get into a hot car and I'm sweating, I'm not freshly showered fresh smelling.
All of that said, I've always been under the assumption that the discussions surrounding seating surface materials addressed how the occupants felt when seated. For instance, does a leather or faux leather surface make for a hotter / cooler experience when against clothing or skin? How well does the seating surface breath, etc? The typical assumption is that cloth seating is cooler, but may be not when the leather seating surfaces are ventilated.
5:37 "not much of a big difference" then touched the seat said "AWW!"
You guys are on fire with these videos!
Those ford vented seats are legit lol. Nice.
The problem with Mustang GT isn't necessarily the premium black interior, it's that gosh darn 5.0L V8 that heats up the air over the hood before it enters the cabin! Thanks to Nathan's explanation, I'll be sure to use the great ventilated seats more often.
this series has easily become one of my favorite series on TFL ^_^
I live in Florida. Can't for the life of me understand why anyone would buy a black car with black leather. Cloth only for me unless seats are ventilatied.... Which is hard to come by with reasonable affordability... Thanks Hyundai/Kia!
Can’t you just look up the “specific heat q” of the seat material?
That's not really a fair contest. Since that one has black interior it'll he obviously hotter.
The interior temps were both 115 degrees
The seat started cooling the moment you sat in it, before you even turned the cheek chiller on. The hot seat and your cooler clothing and body temp stated to equalize when contact was made. As you sat and explained how the cooler worked you where helping cool the seat. I bet the cooler would have taken longer to drop the seat temp if you hadn’t of sat in it first.
Unless Ford changed the design completely, which I would doubt, my 2016 F150 lariat used TEDs (Thermo-Electric Devices (think mini heat pump)) to heat and cool the seats with air-conditioned air (just not from the normal HVAC system). They were definitely not just ventilated seats. Easiest way to tell is to find the hot exhaust air. In the case of the F150, the map pocket areas got HOT from the TED exhaust for the seat back in cooling mode.
Remember not all leather seats have vents so cloth wins lol
Leather wins, cloth is cheap
Jared Shelton what exactly is boujee about sitting on a cows ass
This is why you tint your windows, I have leather seats and never got burned from the seats being to hot and I do not have ventilated seats just heated 👍
I've never understood why someone would buy a convertible with black leather seats. Parked in the sun with the top down = 2nd degree burns.
I'm betting the big cool off for the leather seat was heat transfer to you sitting in it than the seat coolers.
Yep, conductivity is the Big difference. I didn’t know how the cooled seats worked though.
Those leather seats will heat more than the cloth ones will due to the darker, black absorbs more heat than any other colour, white absorbing the least. The black leather may not get any hotter than say a BLACK cloth seat, but the leather is smooth versus a perforation in the cloth seat, meaning more contact with your body when you sit in it, and more heat will be transferred.
@ 3:31 Blazing Saddles reference. Epic. ✌️😎👍
i have cooled leather seats, its awesome
Ptguy0618 some vehicles do offer seats that are actually cooled rather than “just” ventilated
Ptguy0618 I believe new Ford Super Duties do, in F-150 literature they always use the term ventilated but use the word cooled in F-250/350/450 literature. Also, the button in super duty says “A/C” but the button in every F-150 I’ve been in doesn’t. I could be wrong about this but I will say, in my ‘19 F-250 when I turn them on, the A/C light comes on, even if I have climate control turned off.
How about taking a truck and testing fuel mileage with the tailgate up, tailgate down, and the tailgate removed. I'd be interested in knowing if you do gain any mileage, or if the manufacturers are right when they say the truck will do better with the tailgate closed.
Simon Tallboy they did that Myth busters, no real difference.
Can you compare, normal, vs tint, vs ceramic tint? I know they aren't you trucks so it would be hard.
While you were waiting you could have done a study on why a wheel will roll.
I know this would be too expensive to be practical, but I always thought that if cars had ducting through the dashboard and door upper surfaces, it would cool the car down quickly. When you get in a hot car, you crank up the AC to max and it blows the cold air on you, but the dash and upper door surfaces remain hot and continue to radiate that heat into the cabin until the AC can cool the air down enough to affect the cabin surfaces.
Cars already have ducting and vents through the dashboard and doors?
MICHAEL GRANT Yes there are vents for the AC to blow on the passengers, but I’m talking about similar venting like the cooled seats where the upper dash and door surfaces are cooled down when the system is turned on. If you get in a hot car, the surfaces exposed to the sun stay hot and keeps radiating heat until the overall cabin temperature cools down enough that they finally cool down as well. If the system can actively cool down those surfaces faster, then the cabin will get cooler faster as well.
I never even heard of ventilated seat. I don't think majority of cars don't have it and if they do it comes at a hefty price on higher trims. I think a more ideal test is how fast the AC can cool the seats.
I love all leather clothes and any thing leather 😍😍😍😍
I hate black leather. I always go for Tan leather and it doesn’t get super hot.
One I would NEVER buy a truck with a sun roof. If I was given one I would get a solid rap cover of some kind and never open it..
Why?
@@alanthesalamander2327 They leak they break it's a big hole in the paint where rust can start. If you want one have at it.
The leather is the best
i remember the old plastic seat covers with bumps on them.....
here in Arizona if you wore shorts sat on a seat with the covers your legs back looked like a waffle...
I felt they were stupid to sell those in Arizona in the 60-70's as well now
Now we need a winter test!
Use same color and run 3 vehicle black seats cloth black leather and use a tinted truck
No, you’re wrong, the ventilated seats have a TED device that creates cold on one side and heat on the other. The seat fans draw the warm air out and vents the hot air under the seat. I used to have a 2015 F150 with this technology.
Well, yes but when I sit on leather, it feels crazy hot. But when I sit on cloth, it’s not that bad.
I will get black leather as long as cooled seats are on it. Otherwise a different color and no black cloth.
Put a sun shade and have tint windows and problem solved for black leather seats.
Tint on a pickup is illegal in most states and sun shades are dork city.
Just purchased a 4 runner Limited Edition. Heated and cooled seats. Leather but, it's nice and cool in the Summer........
My car sometimes sits in heat of around 90 degrees. Now I know some people are in hotter temps but what do you guys think. Do I close my sunroof shade, and the shade is black or do I let the sun hit my white leather seats?
The thing is that not everyone has cooling seats for example my dad has a 1967 Chrysler 300 with black interior I would personal like cloth seats then the leather
Okay how about in this real life scenerio.. your truck is sitting outside not in the shade seat is hot, you get in and drive off to your local gym after cooling off your seats and the gym is about a 15 min drive. You drive with only sunroof open no climate because you want to preserve the gas in your trip so cloth vs leather when you arrive which seat is hotter right after you get off? Which seat gave you a more sweetie back ??
why in the world would you compare light gray cloth to a black leather seat, the color black absorbs more heat. this like comparing a white painted car and a black painted in Texas midsummer heat, of course, the car with black interior and/or exterior will be hotter than the alternative. For goodness sake, we learned about this back in 2nd grade
Is it even real Leather or is it just cheap vinyl in disguise like everybody else is doing?
Conductivity is the reason leather seems way hotter. The color difference pretty much explains the temp differential more than the material itself. #notsurprising
If you want to feel what a hot seat actually feels like, bring that truck to Phoenix or Las Vegas in mid/late July.
I thought you were measuring direct heating on the seat surface through the sun roof. Why does it look like you were measuring sun on seats through the wind shield? Based on sun angle and where you measured, that is.
Random question if these ventilated seat suck the air instead of blown wouldnt that be a problem in the future as dirt starts getting sucked in and boom no more ventilated seats
Just a temperature measurement doesn't tell the whole story. Have you ever wondered why a pan has a wood or plastic coated handle? This is because of conductivity, or a materials ability to transfer its heat to your hand. If you ever made the mistake to touch an old pan with a steel handle while its on the stove, you would find out that steel can conduct the heat much better than wood or plastic. Fabric feels more temperate because it is bad at transferring a hot or cold temperature.
The temp change was probably just because the leather was black. The reason leather is hot is because the material transfers heat to your skin faster than cloth.
Can't stand leather seats, they look like vinyl after a while.
My 17 Jetta has leather, has a bit over 40k miles now and the seats are still great and leathery
If your saying that you probly have a gm vehicle lol ....my Passat is a year old and the leather looks new, I also have a 97jeep again the leather looks brand new. Just condition regularly and crack your windows when it’s hot.
It's no about just temperature, but more about seat comfort and noise absorption. Cloth out does leather in all scenario's.
MICHAEL GRANT I think a positive for leather is it’s less static during the winter. I can’t stand being zapped constantly and with leather seats it barely ever happens.
Props on the Rush t-shirt.
and the cloth is light gray so more reflective and the leather is black and more absorbing.
Hope someone can chime in?I have a 2011 Charger with an ALL BLACK interior,seats,dashboard,carpet,etc....I cannot find anywhere on Web if other people have complaints of it being ABSOLUTELY SEARING HEAT in Summer!I mean a BAD design with use of all the plastic in cars nowadays doesn't help but I actually avoid driving it on real hot days bc the A/C has to run Full throttle too attempt to cool it,The A/C works fine it just cannot cool All that 275°F Plastic$!Really Sucks that I don't wanna drive my car in summer anymore,Its That BAD!Truly my Only Big Complaint about the Car!!HELP ANYONE on ideas?I gotta get me one of those temp gauges,I bet this thing gets 200-300°F for sure!
black absorbs..get window tinting and covers ..place light colored fabric over areas getting the sun.. light colors reflect heat.
Great useful review comparison guys. Thanks!!!
I prefer the cloth, but the leather on the lariat looks nice
So you are saying the new ranger needs cools seat even though most other Ford trucks have cooled seats?
Love the channel guys but I wish Americans can switch to the metric system.
Ps love the new added Canadian who tells both metric and imperial
2jz gte - they tried to force us to metric back when I was a kid in the 70’s. It failed.
I have light tan leather vented seats in my 2019 Ram Laramie. No problemo.
looks like diahrea
@@MrInzombia lol what?? Thats a pretty strange color for diarrhea. Should probably get that checked out.
They should have seen how hot the belt buckle was🙃
The biggest thing for me is not the beginning temp of the seats, but that leather/vinyl doesn't breathe, so it stays awful. Leather is also slippery, less durable,, and needs more maintenance. Only cloth for me. Leather is an awful seating choice...both in cars and out.
Love the RUSH shirt