EPIC: The GREATEST MUSICAL That Doesn't EXIST?
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Another thing I love about the EPIC community is when a new animatic is released, I don't know who is more excited, The Winions (the fans) or Jorgy Gorgy
The animatics are incredible and each artist that I reached out to was incredibly nice!
IKR! Jorge is always so enthusiastic (his reactions to animations never fail to make me smile) and every EPIC fan I’ve chatted with are so great!! It’s a fun and chill community- love it !!
RIGHT😂
@@tumblingartistfr from my 6months in this group I have not found one bad person here it’s very laid back and supportive
@@DinoandGalaxyand this is the happiest I’ve ever been in a fandom before. And I’ve been in quite a few.
Adapting the fucking Odyssey is a literally herculean task and even in it's current incomplete state that's incredible. It also still retains elements of ancient greek theatre like the Chorus, though in a lesser role.
It truly is incredible that an adaptation of anything that is incomplete is this universally loved by so many
Kinda surprising it hasn't been made before, or at least on a larger scale like this
"Just A Man" is literal god-tier music, I love it so much
Honestly if that was the only song that Jorge Rivera-Herrans had released, I would still be satisfied. But OH BOY am I glad that it is part of a greater musical!
I aggressively sob every time I hear Just a Man. I cry every time and it’s a problem
32:28 "odyseus loses almost half of his crew to poseidon"
yes i think 550 out of 600 is close to half
I Normally leave these comment to be replied to by Seán since this was his video, But I'm jumping in to agree with you, I read that script, I spoke the words, And even my little brother was like 'left with 40 something crew is not half', So I (Brandon, the one who's voice you hear at this part) completely agree with you
@agustinleiva525 Hello Again, its Brandon. I would like to apologise, after checking it turns out I was wrong, Seán wrote this
'In an attempt to be this paragon of good morales, he loses nearly his entire crew to Poseidon’s attack.'
That is taken Straight from the script, it just turns out my dyslexic ass cannot read, so the fault is mine
I have been told off, I sit on the naughty step
@@Undeniably_Idiotic no worries, i thought it was a funny mistake, loved the video and i hope you can cover the rest of the musical when it releases
@@agustinleiva525 we are very glad you enjoyed, even with my mistake, and yes we cant wait for more of this musical
@@Undeniably_Idiotic”i sit on the naughty step” free our boi Brandon 😭
That ruthlessness animatic is so good I’ve seen it multiple times.
It is truly OUTSTANDING! I am so thankful to Anni Flamma for allowing me to use it in the video!
I am infinitely obsessed with black, creepy, blue-eyed water horse
Every time I hear a 5 second clip of this musical I physically cannot stop myself from putting on the whole thing
The video would have been done much sooner except I had the exact same problem...
Realest thing ever
It's impossible to listen just one part of any music from the sagas 🤣
YUP
NAH FR
Omg what a great video! I'm very happy my art got to be part of it! :D
Thank YOU so much for letting us make use of your awesome animatic! They're really awesome!
Yooo ur animatics are. Soooo cooollll
Bro your animatics are great- i was literally watching one 3 minutes ago
Your animatics are SO GOOD!
"This is my favorite song in the musical"
Listen. Spotify wrapped came around and it turns out I listened to Just A Man 1306 times. It is So Good
So when we said 20,000,000 people, we did indeed forget that Spotify streams are not just one person each
@Undeniably_Idiotic Shamelessly, I am a far too significant portion of that number lol
Jorgi worgi the magician was also one of my most streamed artists (second, first had 1220 minutes)
Just a Man was one of my most listened music of 2023
I had literally never heard of this musical until Spotify randomly recommended it to me via Just a Man and now I have to know everything about it
I adore that Polyphemus animatic, because of the cinematography of it. And the fact it has such a horrifying Polyphemus design. A head like that of a crab, the legs of a horse, and long bristles going down his back. All hinting at his ancestory as a son of Poseidon.
mircsy did an absolutely amazing job with it and is just an amazing person also!
33:29 Us: we'll have a couple of years until the next saga😔😮💨
Jorgy: *evil laughter* y'all going to be done for... 😏🤭
I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE
Perhaps the follow up review may be coming sooner than we thought....
FINALLY SOMEONE MADE AN ESSAY ON THIS
Myself and Brandon were surprised nobody had taken a deep dive into this musical yet, it truly is a masterpiece in the making!
The animatic community works so hard for this one it is amazing,there's even some for songs that aren't properly released yet!
And I *adore* the people trying to figure out how it would work on an actual stage! Such passion and love towards this project!
WE. LOVE. ALL. THESE. TALENTED. PEOPLE! They are just so great honestly!
Wolfythewitch’s animatic of just a man made me cry it so sad
They were so kind to allow me to use their animatics for the video!
An insight of mine that i want to add about My Goodbye specifically is the fact that Athena repeats multiple times that this is the last time that they'll meet. The fact that Jorge felt the need to repeat that final line like eight times at the end of the song makes me feel like Athena is trying to convince herself of her decision.
In my opinion this is either because she has spent a lot of effor in nurturing Odysseus and hates to need to start all over again (boring option), or she does genuinely care about Odysseus but does not realize it, which also lends to the somber feel the end of the song gives off as not only being Odysseus being attached to Athena but vice versa as well. I personally think its the latter situation, because we see gods that care about others as well like Hermes helping Odysseus or Circe protecting her Nymphs, and even with Athena and Telemachus.
My favourite part of having made this video is reading the comments of other people on the songs I had covered, this is truly amazing to read!
@@Undeniably_Idiotic thanks! Epic is genuinely one of my favorite things currently, so it's fun to share some of my observations with fellow fans.
Another thing I have only recently noticed is in our first song, the Horse and the Infant. After Odysseus reminisces about his wife and son, he says "ATTACK!!!" after which we hear the battle erupt. But under all of that sound of clashing swords and other instrumentations, we hear some strings that now feel highly familiar to me. To me, the strings that is played between the start of the attack and Odysseus vision sounds eerily similar to how "POSEIDON!" is chanted at the very beginning of Ruthlessness.
Now I have two possibilities in mind for why they sound so similar:
1. That little melody is a sign for something horrible happening that will haunt Odysseus throughout his journey back home. Because his encounter with Poseidon along with the murder of baby Astyanax genuinely looms over his head his whole way back to Ithaca
2. That's a way for Jorgy Gorgy to connect Zeus and Poseidon, since Zeus appears right after this just like how Poseidon appears right after the melody plays in Ruthlessness. This is also possible considering they are two thirds of what is essentially the big 3 of the Greek pantheon along with Hades.
I will perhaps make this like a thread or something because I don't know what else to post these kinds of things since none of my friends are as interested in this as I am
@@pixlv6384 I believe as with any reference to Poseidon's style of music, that instrumentation heard after ATTACK is heavily influenced by the triplet ruthlessness motif since they are bursting out to attack drunk and sleeping guards without any mercy
NO LITERALLY, I AM SO SAD. I WANNA THEM TO RECONCILE BUT I KNOW THEY WON'T 😭
@@steveyouraveragehamster9383 I mean, god games?
Found this video maybe ~20 minutes after Jorge announced The Circe Saga's release date.
I am obsessed with this musical and the story of The Odyssey, so seeing this concept finally coming to life and being released officially is so incredible and we are so lucky to see this grow in real time!
you are absolutely correct, the creative process and development stage of this musical has garnered such a great community, I can't wait to see what the full release will bring!
When’s that gonna be released???
@@nightcrawler1369 it's releasing on Valentine's Day, Feb 14!
@@nightcrawler1369 Valentine's dayyyy
As a Classics student and lover of all things Greek Mythology, this musical has fully enraptured my attention and continues to amaze me with each new Saga released. Jorgo-Porgo is a truly phenomenal composer/lyricist, and I am honoured to be a part of this awesome community. My friends and I are all excitedly awaiting the release of the Circe Saga, which might I remind you, is just under a month away!
Myself and Brandon thought this would take far longer to release but hey, maybe we might make a follow up review to this sooner than we thought...
With “just a man” there’s also the amazing dichotomy of who he’s talking about
Someone will become a monster after that interaction, Odysseys just chooses whether it will be the child or himself
He is also questioning at what point would this innocent child become a monster, at what point would he no longer be the infant in his arms, Odysseus has to dehumanise the child in order to go through with it
@@Undeniably_Idiotic I get that, I’m just pointing out that he is also talking about himself
Either claim that because of fate the child is already a monster, or that Odysseus himself is for killing an infant.
in the oddessy (when they first meet circe) the crew literally CRY when they find out they have to go see this new monster of the week. I'm exited to see what happens next in epic
honestly, I would cry if I was part of Odysseus's crew from the very beginning of their voyage...
Statistically though, you'd probably not get home 😅@@Undeniably_Idiotic
@@johnnelson4411Well you'd only ever if you're oddyseus themselves...
I would like to point out with “my goodbye” Athena only starts saying she’ll sever their connection when Odysseus starts cutting into her with very harsh and deeming words.
She does care about him, but she does it in the way an army commander does for their soldiers. She’s distant and cold in her words but deeply cares and wants the best for him. But she doesn’t let the heart get in the way of the head especially in life or death situations. Yes, she is wrong for not thinking of how taxing it is on Odysseus, but those are matters of the heart not the mind, and the world is cruel to the heart.
And him saying that to her, she goes quiet. She seems genuinely broken up he would say that to her in the next verses of the song. But quickly corrects herself into sounding more harsh and cold again.
After making this whole essay I’m reminded why Athena’s songs are my favorites.
I was listening to some of the songs with my daughter (tween). When we were listening to “my goodbye” I felt so bad for Athena (and Odysseus too of course, because there is obvious pain on both sides) I said, (without thinking) “ouch, that hurts like how kids can say the most hurtful things to their family/friends without realizing what they’re doing” my daughter looked confused, and I said, “well, kids don’t always know they are saying something that strikes a nerve or suddenly hits so hard. Especially to the people that love them the most. It’s not always their fault, because they don’t realize how bad it can be, but for at least a moment, it can hurt worse than getting injured. In just one song, Odysseus hurt an immortal god with his words.”
Then we had a talk about how words can be used to bully people so if it happens to her at school, it’s just as serious as getting physically bullied… Jorge became involuntarily involved in my parenting, lol.
This is so awesome guys! And thank you so much for featuring my animatic! :D
Thank you for letting us use it for the video and I'm glad you enjoyed!
Your ruthlessness animatic is insanely good! It might be my favorite EPIC animatic ever! I especially love your Poseidon design and how he transforms into a giant horse. Great job!
I also love how Jorge includes bits of songs into other ones. Like in “This is my Goodbye” the line “After all you’re JUST A MAN” (in reference to the song “Just a Man”. it was so bad ass!
The motifs and callbacks to different songs and ideas throughout the musical tug at the heart strings every darn time
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO MAKES A VIDEO ON EPIC THAT ISNT THE PRODUCER OR ANIMATICS
YEAH! I AM SURPRISED NOBODY ELSE HAD DONE SO BEFORE!
REAL
Or reacts
I love how the Cyclops all have big echoing voices. It shows that they are on a level beyond what the humans are.
And then when there are multiple of them, you really feel the sense of danger and dread of the situation as they are so close to escaping
@@Undeniably_Idiotic and yet they somehow made Polyphemus sound somewhat sympathetic when the other cyclops leave him after he's blinded
hey! just to clarify in ‘Open Arms’, the Lotus Eaters aren’t Winions. In the Odyssey, Lotus Eaters are basically just people but hiGH. I think that’s the case in the musical as well. The Winions are strictly the minions of Aeolus, the Wind God & appear as her ensemble.
Sorry yeah, they just sound and are depicted similarly that we thought they were the same thing, especially since the fans coined the name as their own
i like the idea that theyre the same species but the lotus eaters just got addicted to lotus
I've heard about Epic the musical, I was really surprised that it wasn't a Broadway musical (hopefully just yet), but I never really cared about it until now. Keep up the good work !!
Thank you! I can't wait to see where this musical goes next!
I would honestly love to see Epic become a movie or something.
I can't stop rambling about how breathtakingly you summarized everything in this! Beside that, thank you for featuring my animatics!🙌
You're breathtaking!
i think the main reason the cyclops starts to massacre the men in the cave is because Odysseus ticked off the cyclops with him saying eye to eye
this is an entirely true statement
I randomly discovered this music on CZcams, and quickly fell down a rabbit hole. I decided my life will not be complete without watching this musical. I was so disappointed when I found out it didn’t exist yet.
Yeah fr same dude 😭
some day this masterpiece will be fully released!
The wardrobe change at 13:18 caught me so off guard I almost choked. That was very funny
you can thank Brandon for that one
I feel like this video is proof of how kind the Epic community is. Like you guys kindly asked all of these artists "Hey may we use your animatics for our video" and everybody was like "Ya sure!" and I just feel that is so cool! I just think that nowadays its more common for somebody to just steal somebody else's art and not even give them credit but for you guys to actually say "Hey go check these awesome artists out! They really helped us a lot in the visuals for this video." It just makes me happy lol idk
I cannot stress enough how kind the animators were to allow us to use their animatics, and how kind their comments were after the video had been made!
My bf introduced me to this musical cause I love musicals and a little bit of Greek mythology to a degree. And Jorge is literally making amazing music mix with his awesome storytelling. I never been so excited for a musical that has sagas to look forward to. Definitely became my fave musical QUICK
I still can't get over that this musical is still a work in progress!
@@Undeniably_Idiotic same! It honestly kinda feels good to be a part of a fandom for a musical that is still a work in progress…
SO HAPPY TO SEE SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT THIS MUSICAL!! I love it and am always bothering my friends with the insane themes and motifs and analysis. It's amazing!!
I love the fact that every character has a presence through the music alone and every motif and sound effect is there for a purpose
I rhink my two favorite songs are My Goodbye and Ruthlessness.
Basically ol' Jorgy Boy is at his best when he's making pissed off gods.
My top 3 are
1. ) Ruthlessness
2.) Survive
3.) Friends Close
@@AHorrorFanatic all good options. Friends Close is probably my third. It's a bop.
@@torazely True.
It is amazing how it is just two humans performing yet one feels like a god while the other is a mortal
@@Undeniably_Idiotic the power of art.
the quotes from the song are killing me 😂
top-tier script writing
granted, how trsutworthy is a crew in the first place if they place their own greed for a potential random unknown treasure over the words of their own captain?
And if you want a ruthless captain...well, if this is the story of odysseus' fall to darkness? then you know what they say: be careful what you wish for.
BEHOLD! CONFLICT! Can't wait to see how all those threads reach a breaking point in the fully released sagas that are yet to come!
@@Undeniably_Idiotic oooh boy the Underworld saga has something for you
Polites, hermes, and circes songs are ABSULUTE BANGERS
Hermes is a personal favourite of mine I'm not gonna lie
@@Undeniably_Idiotic yeah LIKE THE BEAT DROP AND EVERYTHING ITS SO GOOD
FR DUDE WE ARE IN THE EXACT SAME PAGE
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS A TIK TOK MUSICAL I THOUGHT IT WAS ON BROADWAY
Not yet. For now, it’s a concept album, hopefully when it’s done it will successfully get some sort of stage production
sooooo many people thought it was already a full production, some of those same people finding this video in the process!
44 minutes analysis of musical I've been obsessed for a good time now is a gift I wasn't asking for but desperately needed
I am happy that I can provide this type of content for people who are looking for it! I hope to make a follow up review when the next few sagas are fully released!
Jorge being so very excited about Epic as well makes it so much better because it makes us more excited too. Two songs that I personally can't wait for are Thunder Bringer (which has Zeus) and Not Sorry For Loving You (which has Calypso). TB is such an awesome song and NSFLY is so heartbreaking. Even more so when you know Calypso's story/lore. Short version of it is that Calypso was cursed to basically an eternity of heartbreak when her only "crime" is that her father is a Titan (Atlas).
Jorge's enthusiasm for this project is honestly half the entertainment of it
I am in love with EPIC, the ocean saga was a blast and I cannot wait for the circe saga!
The Circe Saga is coming much sooner than I think anyone anticipated!
I want the full version of get in the water and the thunder bringer so hard 🥲
I love how Poseidon repeats Odysseus’s own words back to him cause he really is just throwing Ody’s ego back into his face. Its incredible
Poseidon in that moment is as petty as the gods could possibly be and it is the greatest thing ever!
One tiny thing i noticed: The winion are not actually the lotus eaters ^^ they're the minions of the wind god Aeolus in a later part of the musical, hence the name. The lotus eaters are called just that. And I love them (and I don't get why most people seem to hype up the winions more than the lotus eaters)
Edit: I would love to see that full analysis of the music you talked about at the end. Even if it's just you rambling for an hour. absolutely do it of you want to I'd definitely watch it.
yeah, the winions and the lotus eaters sound, behave and in some cases look the same so I was under the impression they were the same thing
@@Undeniably_Idiotic Yeah I get that especially cause a lot of animators draw them the same. I just think they sound completely different. And I think in jays clips they are also always differentiated.
I love this musical & I follow him. I listen to it on repeat with Starkids' Nerdy Prudes Must Die musical. Did you know a university has a live class recording of an original musical about the later life of Aaron Burr? It's Burr on CZcams.
Oooooooh, might have to check that one out since we are both fans of Hamilton
@@Undeniably_Idiotic Recording quality is meh, but give it a few tries. The more I listen, the more I like & the info matches my limited research on his later life. (Don't get me started on my Hamilton obsession lol)
10:36 DUDE DONT MAKE ME CRY ALL OVER AGAIN
Polites was too precious for this world
oh, look my other hyperfixation! Excited to watch it!
Another hyperfixation to add to the collection? Glad we can accommodate and hope you enjoy!
@@Undeniably_Idiotic difficult not to enjoy, these are really good vids and that eye pun made me laugh out lound (and the costume change was a very neat detail!)
The costume changing at different random points without acknowledging it at all was Brandon's idea
Also! I never see anyone mention this but the melody for the verses in "Survive" match the melody with the start Of Zeus and Odysseus' convo at the end of "The Horse and Infant"
You are absolutely correct! And it is very funny that Odysseus and crew keep mentioning that it's just one life to take or one more thing to do and then their journey is over yet they aren't even into act 2 yet!
I just noticed that motif being repeated! It sounds so different when Odysseus sings his own version, in a different context.
Next Saga comes out February 14th, buckos! We're in the money!
money money moneyyyy!
I love seeing the animations people are making for the AMAZING music
and the people who make them are the best people in the world also!
I love how you gave credit to everyone so we can check out all these other creators. Great job!
and you better check em out! they are some amazing people and were so kind when I reached out to them!
Have been looking for a video like this here on youtube. Something that actually fills in the spaces that the fandom are aware of, but that require a deep dive into so many places to figure out the facts of the musical. I haven't found an intro video anywhere, and while I have listened to the album on repeat on spotify, there was still a lot that I had no idea about that was said in this video. Super happy with this video and hoping it'll get great success c:
Something we constantly forget is that this video has been the reason why many people have found out about Epic in the first place which is just wild to us but we are real happy about it too!
13:07 I saw this video a while ago but the song “Get in the Water” is why I clicked on this video or any video about Epic
throughout the musical, even in Ruthlessness, nothing gives that feeling of facing against an angry god like Get in the Water does
When I found out about that song at first, the person had tagged Percy Jackson to the vid and so I thought it was a fan version of one of the OSTs of the new PJ saga by disney (which led me to watch the serie in the hope of hearing more of it …. But then I discovered that it was part of EPIC and not related at all to the serie hhh and now … I am just frustration because I want more of it ❤❤❤
EPIC the musical does not have a SINGLE bad song in my opinion infact, theyre all unbelievably good ive relistened countless of times, now think about how impressive that is
I could listen to the entirety to of the soundtrack and never skip a single song
Haven’t seen any other comments saying this but I love how later on in the video you both are suddenly dressed in Greek clothing LOL
The change without acknowledging it at all was Brandon's idea, glad people enjoyed it!
I can’t even begin to describe how much I love this musical, the fans, the animatics, and (of course) Jorge Gorgy himself.
The music is a masterful way of storytelling, the animatics are gorgeous, the fans are all so sweet and Jay is such a chaotic sweetheart.
This musical (and Jay) deserves all the attention it has and more. I truly want all the best for Jay and the entire epic team. I adore being a part of this community.
Thank you for this great video! ❤
Thank you so much! It really is so lovely to see how supportive the community is of one another!
As someone who's been watching EPIC and the project obsessively for YEARS, you did a great job of this!
That's brilliant to hear! We are relatively new to the Epic scene so glad we did a good enough job for those who have been fans much longer than us!
QUESTION: does anyone know what’s goin on with the apple at the end of ‘open arms’ and before ‘warrior of the mind’ I keep seeing animations where Polites throws an apple and Odysseus catches it and that ends ‘open arms’, I’m not sure if I missed something or not so any insight is much appreciated thx
Throwing and catching an apple is a form of proposal/sign of love in ancient greece I believe, so it's a form of shipping the two characters together I think
@@Undeniably_Idiotic oh that makes sense, thanks for helping ❤️
Very cool! Thanks for featuring my animatic! :)
Thank you for letting us make use of your animatic! Hope you enjoyed!
Four sagas as of today! Circe is now out
we are very excited to make a video on the circe saga, so stay tuned!
@@Undeniably_Idiotic alrighty!
What a video!! I have gushed out about this musical for TIME and this sums up all the reasons why. Beautiful music with deep meaning based on a heart wrenching story, incredible animatics that have insane artists with such various art styles that all look so pretty and bring out the depths of peoples emotions, and the discussion that comes with all the questions we have regarding the songs. Your discussion and summary of this musical were so great and kept me engaged through the entire watch. Jay really is making a masterpiece and we are able to see it grow beneath our feet! 😁💙
I'm glad you enjoyed throughout! We are absolutely witnessing the creation of something that is truly one of a kind!
Thank you for your analysis! I absolutely love this musical and I'm always spamming my friends with the different themes and parallels I found that just blow me away.
I read the Odyssey about a year ago and I'm really excited to see it all play out in the following Sagas (although that makes Luck Runs Out a really 'aged like milk' (or rather a 'will age like milk'?) Type of song :D )
This musical deserves just as many video essays like Hamilton or any other musical, and I'd honestly would watch a video essay for every single song 😂
I could dive deep into every single song for half an hour each but Brandon had to pull me back a bit so that the video would actually be made within a month rather than taking a year to be made
@@Undeniably_Idiotic and every single song has soo many parallels you could talk about, haha. My favourite one is the 600 lives parallel you mentioned as well (I think), where it goes from "600 lives at sea" over "600 lives at stake" until Poseidon completely crushes it with "43 left under your command".
I also love how prominent Poseidon is in the Ocean Saga. I mean of course, it's the saga centered about his domain and his actions, but the very first song is already about him, because the storm is something he causes (or at least we should assume that due to the "is it nature or divine" line). It reminds me of the way Thanos is portrayed as the protagonist in Infinity war. And I also think it's fitting for the wrath of an ocean god to feel him as this constant danger before he even appears. Just like an ocean can slowly and threateningly get darker while the waves get higher until it escalates in a... Well, storm.
I wish I could give more than one like to this video! I have tried to get my friends and family as into this musical as I am and nobody seems to care. All I have are the comments under videos like this. Glad to find others who are just as into this as I am!
That's really sweet! If you are looking for a great community of people to talk about EPIC: The Musical with, join their discord server! It's a really great place!
I discovered this musical about a week ago and all I've been doing is singing the songs from it to the point where I even realized that I was singing the songs too much so I would spread it out singing the songs where I would just wait a day and then sing the song again I sure if my neighbors can hear me they're probably annoying cuz I'm singing the same few songs over and over again cuz I love them so much
I hope you do a part too I really like your video on this😊
You have no idea how many times myself and Brandon belted out Ruthlessness during the making of this video while in a vc together
@@Undeniably_Idiotic that was actually the first song I heard for this the animatic you showed in the video came up in my am I timeline on CZcams after I listen to a few other musical songs on a playlist I have and I clicked it because I liked the art
And then I heard the song and it was just so amazing and then I found out this was a whole musical thing and I just listened to all the songs
I think I sang the song ruthlessness like 50 times the first night I found it XD
Love Love Love this musical, I listen to the full run though all day everyday and we ain’t even done yet. I AM OBSESSED 😭
No better thing to be obsessed with in my opinion
Same!! I want to know what ear drugs were placed in this music to make it so addictive
@@jacobbayne-hw2zvsame lol
33:15 - I would just like to point out that it's not Hypocrisy on Odysseus' part. He says so in the end of "Keep Your Friends Close" that, "We can save whatever wind is left to use another day, come on!" And this was that day.
while that's true, to the crew in the back that may not have heard from an outside perspective they were told to never open it and seeing Odysseus then open it, without fully understanding the bag they may misinterpret as such, thus adding to the sense of unease in the crew...
Also might have been a stretch on our part just to add more *dramatic tension* as we are excited to see how this will all culminate and overflow eventually in Mutiny!
Can't wait to hear about your thoughts on the circe saga
stayed up until 5am to join the listening party for the circe saga!
@@Undeniably_Idiotic fortunately it was 10am here, streamed the saga non stop for hours, it is fire ngl
Epic is my favorit thing ever im so exicted that its getting more attion
It's such an incredible series of concept albums and I can't wait for it to be finalised
Thank you for making this video so that more people know about this EPIC musical 🎉
It has honestly been so great to interact with the community and share the musical with people!
I got in a couple months before the Ocean saga dropped, so hearing the full version of Keep Your Friends Close was a treat. But I was mostly caught off guard by the lyric changes in Luck Runs Out, specifically the first pre-chorus ("and end up losing your life" was simplified to "and lose your life", and "cause a lot of strife" was changed to "infuse us with strife"). It's not bad, just caught me off guard a little! But yes, I love the analysis, and yeah, you're right, my brain subconsciously picked up on the electric guitar thing!
Also the wind at the end of My Goodbye is really just driving the point home, it's gusts blowing through a ghost down or an empty desert
I'm now excited to see what final changes will be made when the Circe saga is fully released
OH MY GOD! Why haven’t more people made a video essay on epic yet? I just realised ahkefhsjrlr this is so good!
For how popular it is there is almost nobody talking about it! How did we let this happen???
@@Undeniably_Idiotic i mean we managed to crash like 2 sites during the relesae of saga 4 so why is no one talking about how good it is?
Is it bad that I've watched every single animatic featured in this video at least twice
Yes it is bad, you should've watched all of them at least 10 times! But in all seriousness thank you for supporting these great animatic artists, they truly are some of the greatest people out there!
ive more to say now, i was introduced to epic just as i fell into the musical rabbit hole so its basically the first musical that ive heard that isn't fundamental to my musical experience and it's fantastic. I cant choose a favourite song between it all, but I could choose favourites of each saga thats beeb released so far.
For the Troy Saga, my favourite is definitely Open Arms followed closely by Warrior Of The Mind(Full Speed Ahead is surprisingly good but it doesn't hit the same spots for me, although the entire "waiting" segment is amazing, which just goes to show even if a song isnt the best in your or my opinion its still amazingly written and composed.) I'm not talking about Just A Man nor Horse and the Infant since this video discussed it perfectly.
The Cyclops Saga is my least favourite musically even including the unreleased Sagas but i still put every song in it in my Spotify playlist so it's still amazing. Remember me is my favourite by a longshot and i recite it every other day, Survive and Polyphemus are filled with artfully done storytelling moments and My Goodbye is character writing at it's finest.
Then our current latest saga, the ocean saga which is where things really go downhill. Mutiny is foreshadowed by Luck Runs Out which is genius btw, it also has other things but it was mentioned in the video already. Storm is surprisingly good just like Full Speed Ahead and is also amazing storytelling. I like how Aeolus speaks in Keep Your Friends Close, it truly fits for a lesser god in the grand scheme of things, but still holds enough power to send more than 500 men in 12 ships hundreds of miles from their destination with a bag. ofc Ruthlessness is fantastic and i think so many others have analysed it that i don't need to, but fun fact ig my friend is singing that for a music presentation. Honestly, Ruthlessness and Keep Your Friends Close are very close subjectively imo, especially with the falling asleep to closing the bag little segment. idk why i went on this rant but i like this musical alot if you couldn't tell.
these are all incredible points! glad you stuck around to share em!
Another repeating motif in this musical that I absolutely LOVE is Penelope's motif, which is first introduced in the Horse and the Infant. You hear it both in Keep your friends close and There are other ways (which, of course, hadn't come out by the time you made this video but the Circe saga is ALSO AMAZING).
But it's so clever how Jorge can make such a strong association with a character and an instrument or motif in your mind that you recognise something is about them the instant you here it. It's a level of musical storytelling I don't think I've seen done by anyone else!
it's also so much fun to see how Jorge uses instruments to divide humans and gods based on their sound alone!
I love greek mythology and musicals, im so happy that i found epic and how incredible it is! Im glad its getting more attention :) also wolfythewitch is my favourite artist and a great inspiration for me! Thanks for including them in this :D
I must thank WolfyTheWitch for giving me permission to use their animatics for the visuals of this video! They are truly amazing!
Love this! I wish it was a real musical or movie! I would watch it over and over!
Can. Not. WAIT. For this to be complete no matter what medium it comes in!
I live, laugh, love Epic the Musical. I've followed for years and I'm soooo soo glad that a lot more people know of it now, and the discord is filling up with more people to fangirl with
The discord is honestly just a great placer to be regardless
the Circe Saga will release february 14th!!!!
Valentine's day is about to be extra special this year
Seriously😮 just 7 days to go ???!!❤❤❤
Jorge is an amazing writer and all the people involved are so passionate about the musical I love hearing every new song and how much detail is put in it.
Also the fandom is amazing, we have artist, talented singers and some of us who are just excited to be here ❤
every aspect of Epic is just a joy to behold
Why isn't this a series? Someone get netflix on this NOW!!!
Having each saga be its own episode would be really cool to see, Jorge has talked about the many ways he envisions the complete work and what medium it could be shown through, we're just excited to see each song release for now but absolutely can't wait to see the final completed piece no matter what form it takes
@@Undeniably_Idiotic , I can't wait for it to be finished. It has the makings of a masterpiece!!!
I just want to notice that Athena wasn't like "i just want a hero, i am a goddess, and Odysseus was a mistake". Although she is a goddess of wisdom, fighting with wit was not common. Moreover, it was treated like a weakness. So Athena wanted to prove the world, that her way of strategies is also possible. From the very beginning she said that she would be Odysseus's mentor, not friend. And when Odysseus was like "i am a big boy and will do this my way" it was disrespectful to her. She says "you're not looking for a mentor, i'm not looking for a friend". She told him that not killing the cyclops will be his great mistake. And he will understand it ine day. Right now he is whelmed with emotions because he is just a man
she mistook him for a general, what a waste of effort spent... also it's funny that Odysseus is specifically mentioned as not Athena's friend but then Telemachus is often mentioned as Athena's friend instead
@@Undeniably_Idiotic she even claims it by herself in God Games. I think that after My Goodbye she was thinking about Odysseus's words 'if you claiming you are so much wiser why your life is spend alone", so she changed her mind in some point. However she was right about Polyphemus, and Odysseus have to lern the lesson. As Jay told many times "Ruthlessness is a mercy upon ourselves" is the main idea of the whole musical. And I am so exited about characters in this project, because in this case they were both wrong in some point, but when Odysseus questioned her authority as goddess of Wisdom she was like 'Ah, you will understand one day, mortal' but also she was analysing his words and change her behaviour. That is a true wisdom: you don't argue when you and/or your partner is too emotional and also you can hear another point of view.
Just realized this video was posted on my birthday
Wow I loooooooove Epic! The outfit change as well, gosh damn amazing video
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Keep Your Friends Close gives me chills everytime I listen to it. I love this musical so much and I'm happy there's many people are seeing it so much now!
Can't believe people haven't been talking about it more!
OHHHH SHIT !! I’ve been following wolfythewitch from a previous fandom and have been seeing their Instagram posts and I was like ?? Interesting.. I guess they’re into Homer’s Odessey now kinda niche but ok. And NOW I GET IT!! OK WOLFY!!! OK JORGE !!
everyone thinks its niche until they realise that it is actually the best thing out there!
Ive never been one who liked musicals, but Epic is the first one that ive actually loved and am always looking to geek over. Heck i made 2 ruthlessness animatics of sorts on my art instagram because i absolutely was super hyped, even if i did have a covid during the creations of them. Im so excited for the next saga in February that i think i need to start designing my Hermes
Musicals are just movies except they use music to foreshadow, make callbacks, and present themes really easily. Hermes, Troy Doherty and the song Dangerous all give me life!
@Undeniably_Idiotic very true and yes dangerous is one of my go to songs ever since I found an animation of it on CZcams. Its so good and I'm excited to hear it when it comes out on an album
DUDE SERIOUSLY SAME 😭
This is such a fantastic video! I was so excited to see a lengthy deep-dive into the musical, and you guys did not disappoint! I remember the first time I heard "Just A Man", my introduction to the musical, and I was just. BEYOND blown away. Every single song is just beautiful! The love and care, the techniques, the references, everything Jorge & the cast have poured into this project is nothing short of amazing. EPIC is really living up to its name, and I'm incredibly excited to see what else is to come!
So glad that you enjoyed the video! It is a really great project and was surprised there was no long form content of it to enjoy... so that's where we stepped in!
Just at the point he's discussing the winions and lotus eaters....
I get an advertisement for LOTUS biscoff... Suspicious much?!
"there are no accidents"
I can not WAIT for this to become a real thing! I listen to EPIC everyday lol
We are currently working on a video about the Underworld Saga! The more frequent saga releases have been such a treat!
I really hope Mr. Jalapeño (sorry) will be able to make this into an actual musical, he is really talented
do not apologize for speaking his true name... also there have been talks about making the musical into a stage performance, movie, series, anime, who knows what the finished product will be like!
Im so excited about the circe saga coming out Feb 14th!!
Very excited too!!!
I was watching Warrior Cats and Rise of the TMNT animatics when I first found Epic: the Musical
When I first heard a song I was hooked and I still make animatics to the songs from the musical
Can't remember where we first found out about it, but we too have been hooked ever since!
This is a great video! I love your analyses, and I love this musical!!
Glad that you love it! Can't wait to see how the musical progresses!
also, the lotus eaters are always a group, like a hivemind. and polyphemus's voice is heavily synthed while the cello is a classical instrument showing 'not a god' mixing together to be 'the monster'.
there are so many layers to understand but once you do, hearing the subtext in the music becomes almost second nature and it's so cool to experience!
i loved this little recap/essay!!
one of my favorite parts is in my goodbye the deafening silence after ody tells athena that shes all alone. in my mind thats the moment she fully cuts all ties with him because (personal opinion) gods have feelings and he hurt hers severly. thats why the last part of my goodbye is so powerful. i love athena, and this one is my current favorite.
another thing i love is in ruthlessness when poseidon is using odysseus' words he said to polymethus, like "i am your darkest moment". he MEANS it but he also mocks odys choice of words when he revealed himself to the cyclops, because ody is "just a man" and not a god, in no way fit to make decisions over life and death.
im passionate about this musical lmao
this musical has so much to unpack it could take a life time to tease out every little bit of it
33:12 so, I don’t think Odysseus opening the bag was hypocritical in that instance. The game/deal was: don’t open the bag and you can “get what you’re yearning”/get home. He got punished when the bag was opened by being taken farther away from his home (I’m assuming the land of the giants was farther away), but the bag stayed with them. The wind god could have taken the bag back, but it stayed with them and Odysseus used it as a tool later in order to survive when it was no longer part of a deal struck with the wind god. It seemed like a smart move to me and while I could see the men be irritated “so when YOU open the bag it’s ok” but Odysseus should say, YEAH. At that point, he’s just using a tool at his disposal.
I feel the bag represents the trust that the crew hold for their captain and that at this point in the story it is being tested greatly. After being told not to open the bag and getting no explanation, they want to get closure and open it regardless. Then Odysseus opens it himself and so from the perspective of the crew that don't have the full knowledge of the game/deal and have just witnessed nearly all of their fellow crewmates drown, whether it is hypocritical or not, it would definitely cause some to call into question Odysseus leadership and sets a very tense yet sombre tone heading into the Circe Saga
@@Undeniably_Idiotic AAAAAAAAAAA you replied!!!! So cool! 🤩
My one nitpick is Odysseus did give them an explanation in the song. Before he could tell them the storm was inside, the Winglings said it was treasure but Odysseus says “everybody listen closely” (everybody implies not just two people, but a bigger group of people) and “this bag has the storm inside…”I agree this is a test of the crew’s trust in their captain because now they have a Pandora’s box but not because Odysseus was being secretive. I agree seeing their crewmates drown will cause them to start doubting their captain, but I still feel Odysseus opening it the second time was a strategic and fair use of a tool at his disposal. And the crew would probably feel relieved to escape Poseidon with the wind that’s left.
But perhaps the instrumental music before Odysseus sends Eurylochus to scout the island is time for the crew as well as Odysseus to struggle with conflicting feelings of relief to be alive, survivors guilt, and questioning Odysseus.
I'm a passionate person but lack any skill to properly express them. So i could never do essays or videos on things like this. You have no idea how grateful i am for talented people like Jorge, animatic artists and yourself. It makes me so incredibly happy to see people be just as passionate if not more and having the ability to share with others something that they might never have been interested in discovering for themselves. UGH! Thank you thank you THANK YOU!
this comment makes us so incredibly happy! thank you for sharing!
I came across this project yesterday. Holy crap.
what a time to join the hype train!
Hey thanks so much for doing this video, this is how I found Epic and it’s altered my life and I appreciate you for leading me here 😅
An absolute pleasure to introduce people to such an absolute masterpiece of a musical!
I am just going to say, I am one that has always hated musicals, most of the ones I watched I found they were lyrical dull but when I heard just a man for the first time I immediately wanted watch the play and I was shocked to find it was just a concept for a musical, I discovered EPIC last year and I still listen to most of the songs regularly, when it comes out I will be sure to try to watch it when it first releases
This goes to show how truly one of a kind this project is
I've found my new obsession 😂💀
Very much so, gonna be keeping a close eye on this as it progresses
I'm so happy people are talking about the musical so much!
We're so happy people enjoy the video about it!