This FRENCH CLEAT Design Change is AWESOME
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When I find the walls of my garage, I'll try this out!
My husband passed away almost 4 yrs ago. He was a real clutterbug and left his workshop in such disarray, that every time I went out to work in there I became overwhelmed. I didn’t know where or how to start organizing the shop until I started watching your channel. Thank you, you’ve broken the tip of my iceberg.
First of all Maria. So sorry to hear about your husband. Secondly I really appreciate you reaching out and saying since kind words about us here. I hope you’re able to get his space organized once again. And again thank you so much God bless
Maria, that was a nice post. May spring begin to slowly move that iceberg out of your way.
Every cloud has a sliver lining
Soon you'll be able to fix that iceberg! 🧊 🩹 😉
The thing running through my head is just imagine having birch ply so readily available 😂 the dream
and at the price they pay in the U.S.
@@rowey1992 how much is it where you're at where im at in the US its about $55 usd for a 3/4"x4'x8'
Just to waste it on stupid crap, that looks like 7th grade shop class projects!
@@rollotomasislawyer34057th grade appearance aside. is it really a waste considering you're here and commenting about it, thus adding to his views and increasing his portion of ad revenue.
@@bsmbB you'd be lucky to pay less than £110 in the UK and the quality would be far worse
LOVE the “cleat on cleat” trick!!
Love the hanging system for a home shop, keeping things modular and mobile like that is so handy.
We're looking to build a new house soon and I am planning on doing French cleats in the pantry. This will be perfect to add even more modularity and functionality.
This is my first view of your channel. I like your to-the-point no-fluff/BS style. Subscribed!
Cleat on a Cleat, dang on sweet.
This opens up a whole new world. I’ve been considering a French cleat system for about a year, this made up my mind.
Chris, It's true; there is something oddly satisfying about a good French cleat application. So obvious, but so clever at the same time.
It's nice to see a person who truly loves his hobby
Love that cleat-on-cleat action 🔥
This is a very well done channel. It provides plenty of detail, moves quickly and doesn't bog down with pointless banter.
Thank you so much
Add cleats to a storage trailer and you can easily set up a mobile workshop without having to duplicate all of your tools, supplies, and storage containers. You could probably create a work bench that hooks into the French cleat system and has foldable legs. This also frees up that storage trailer for other uses; moving, transporting big toys, camper set up….
Cleatception. Great idea!
Fantastic video. Really glad Pete and you have collaborated to showcase this. I'm in the process of redoing my cleat system and this came just in time!
Dude, how have I not thought of this before lol Going to re-due my cleat wall as soon as I get home.. this is brilliant lol
How is it that so many Americans can't figure out the difference between 'due' and 'do'? They don't mean the same thing. Heck, they're not even pronounced the same. Or aren't supposed to be, at any rate.
The simplest ideas are the best. Thanks for sharing - another thing to add to my to-do list - in fact that's such a great idea I might bump it to the top. Looking at your two-tiered project, you could put a shelf on the top deck, plenty of room already by the looks of it.
I added this video to my "saved" pile. I've never taken the time to truly organize my shop but that's coming soon. Thanks for a great tip.
That is amazing! I'm getting ready to build my french cleat system and will definitely be frequently visiting your channel for awesome ideas! Thank you! ❤️
Awesome glad to hear it. Thank you so much
That hammer/screw technique looks really useful! I'm gonna have to try that. Thanks!!
I thought everyone knew that, I have even seen people make fun of that as the lazy way of avoiding drilling pilot holes. I can't tell you how many times I have done that using drywall screws.
Love the video, something that I use the french cleats for is securing my sky workstations to the wall. I have a single car garage with taller ceiling due to being unfinished and exposing the roof rafters, but I still want to be able to park in the garage, and having workbenches and places to put all my woodworking stations was not viable on the ground, because typically you build a workbench or station to sit on the ground, but my ground space is off-limits when my car is parked in the garage. So I built smaller standalone stations that my equipment is mounted to IE sander, router, grinder, and such.. and instead of building them to sit on the ground, I use multiple french cleats on them and have them on a cable pully system that stores them up in the ceiling corners of my garage out of the way when I need one of them, I lower it via the cable assigned to it, then as it's lowered down I attach it to the wall on the french cleats so I can use it. When I am done I lift them back up and out of the way.
Sounds like a good way to arrange e.g. tire pressure guage & engine oil storage for the car too.
Do you have a video showing this? Seems like a design a lot of people with smaller shops would be interested in.
I have the same problem and would love to see more about how you’ve done this
Same here.
This is a great idea. I'm going to modify it for paper towels with a box on top for cloth rags for finishing on my lathe.
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Very cool , keep creating !
The parallel 45 cleat is awesome!
Wow, this is really a great idea! I really need to get organized in my shop & I think this could be the ticket!! Thanks for sharing!!!
Excellent idea for the shop. Been using cleats for over 30 years to hang custom cabinets but never thought about using them this way. Thank you Sir.
Good idea. In the professional millwork world, french cleats are done a little differently, they're rabetted cleats instead, which I found is for good reason. If you're hanging wall panels that need to sit side by side and line up with millimeter precision, a diagonal cleat like this will sometimes cause issues. If the wall isn't straight, the panel will tend to ride higher on the cleat and not sit tight to the wall or flat down to the bottom, the rabetted cleat gives reassurance here, either it doesn't go on at all, or it sinks down tight to a reliable height. It's a special case of course, this diagonal cleat is definitely faster and easier to make and will do a great job in regular circumstances.
Do you man z-clips?
What do the rabeted freanch cleats look like?
Do you man z-clips?
What do the rabeted freanch cleats look like?
Do you man z-clips?
What do the rabeted freanch cleats look like?
Do you man z-clips?
What do the rabeted freanch cleats look like?
Do you man z-clips?
What do the rabeted freanch cleats look like?
I love the concept of your more universal cleat setup, especially the cleat on cleat possibilities. I don't have much free wall space, as I have tons of cabinets (repurposed kitchen uppers, with doors), but your concept makes great use of the end caps and even using the doors themselves for 'tool wall' storage. The trash bag holder with the bottom that sits flat on a bench gives me many ideas for the 'portable' tool holders, as that concept has more utility than the 'rearrangeablity' (is that a word?). I am thinking about maybe a fastener kit or glue kit which goes with you to the assembly table during use, then back on the rack.
Congrats on your success (116K subs) since going full time.
I made couple of cleat all around under the work bench, now I can use it as tool holder
This is Awesome now I can add so much more to my wall!!! Great Idea. Thanks Chris!!
Excellent ideas. I've been using french cleats for years but these are something I've never thought of. Many thanks for sharing.
Pete is a mommafumpin rock star.
Well done, dude! Subscribed!!! I have French cleats in my garage, and the flexibility and efficiency they allow are second to no other wall storage.
Do you have any photos or vids of how you set them up? I'm planning my garage cleats and I'm trying to decide on the distance between the cleats. 12", 6", etc.
I'm not sure why this is a new idea. I've wondered why we've always thought that the bottom side of the clear had to be square? So much easier to just cut repeat 30 or 45 degree bevels from the sheets. This is how I've always envisioned my French cleat walls.
I know right it makes perfect sense. It’s weird how we’ve never seen this in abundance before
French cleats have a problem, the shelves will fall off very easily if you kick them from below. A common solution is to insert a removable piece attached to the shelf just below the slat (a slider from the side, a dowel from the front) to lock the shelf at the bottom square edge. This new approach prevents that solution.
@@ARichli, but for situations where that could become a problem you simply have to cut one of these in half, and if you want your whole wall to have standard-shaped cleats you can double the width from the blade to the fence, cut them all like this and then cut them in half at 90°. It's a lot easier to find and cut the halfway mark at 90° between two 45° sides than the other way round.
Okay. Dude, seeing how organized your walls are is enough inspiration for me. Thanks for showing off! I really do appreciate it a lot. Awesome video
Guys he came up with that formula. Yeah it's used in 50 other creators videos but he was the mathematician who thought it up.
While the two 45 degree bevels make stacking possible like you've shown, I think a bigger benefit was missed. Having the cleat on the wall have a 45 bevel on the top and bottom means that the two cleats can be closer together. The 45 on the bottom of the wall cleat coupled with the top 45 on the storage device means they can slip together and apart more easily. This is very helpful if making many small part holders for things like screws or loose tenons.
Any chance you know of a video explaining this a little better?
@@jonathangaliano2617 This channels most recent French cleat video demonstrates this very well. Instead of having the 45 degree bevel only on the top edge and the bottom be a 90, both the top and bottom are cut at 45. In the latest video, you'll be able to see how close the two cleats are together. Hope this helps.
After the third "why is that important, I'll get into that later" I was out of patience. Guess I'll never know...
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A cleat on a cleat is so very neat. You nailed it dude, so I will not repeat.
I love French cleats. I'm going to make my own tool wall and I will be using this new cleat because I'll be adding, and adding, and shuffling, and adding ...
You forgot 2 of the other main features and advantages of the new angled cleat
1) they look better on the wall as they don't cast same harsh shadow
2) you can have them closer together and still slide your holders in place so can put more actual wall mounted cleats which allows more adjustment and customising where everything goes!
The old system you need a minimum space above each wall mount to allow space to slide up and pull out while the angles new style can be basically spaced the exact size of the cut cleats..
Can also use 1/2" ply for closer wall cleats and cleaner look. Few things are so heavy they'd bust out of 1/2". And if your wall cleats are close enough, use two for the heaviest stuff. Cheaper and better!!
I think your number 2 is the biggy, but not only does it increase flexibility, it enables that plus use of multiple cleats at different vertical heights to support an item.
So does this mean the fixture holder won't fall off the wall if it is hit? If it still can fall off is there a way to lock it to the wall like Chris shows in other videos?
The parallelogram style can also be used to flush mount a structure to the wall. Just cut a matching relief in the carcass of the cabinet you want to hang. Then it slides right down the parallels and stops at the wall.
I now have french cleats all over my imaginary workshop
This is the easiest most straightforward way I have seen. Thank you once again
Great idea, I really like the design.
Thanks buddy I can’t take credit. And yes it is a great one
@@AGlimpseInside why not give credit where credit is due?
You clearly didn’t watch the video
Does Pete have a channel? Where can we see more of him? :-)
@@SJagneaux the channel is petesquared
Thanks for the example of how you cut these. I have made that “death cut” before. I am still freaked out by the thought of it and won’t do it again. Great video as usual! Have a great rainy weekend!
A colleague lost fingertip and skin...
That trash bag dispenser is genius! Nice job! Love that cleat system too!
Thanks brother great to hear from you again
Brilliant idea indeed, Chris! 😃
Thanks a lot!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Saw this and I literally gasped when it was revealed what it was. Will add this once I get my french cleat system up.
A 3-minute tutorial crammed into a 12-minute video.
Using the brad/pin nailer to hold while glue dries is great. I have a 23 guage nailer that I don't take full advantage of... But now that's gonna change. Thanks! Keeping you and your family in my prayers.
I bought some crown molding and cut the length I needed mounted to my items I wanted to hang and done. Was very easy since I don't have a circular saw to cut an angle.
With the addition of a hacksaw blade at the front edge, just at the outfeed point, your bag holder/dispenser could be adapted to dispense emery cloth (from a roll), or other "tear-off-the-roll" materials used in shops. I'm about to build my tool storage and I'll use the latest design (double bevel). Nearly all of my tool storage will be in/on rolling walls that are billeted under a staircase that's open on one side to the shop floor. When in use, the whole unit will roll out, and when not in use, the tools are both hidden and not taking up precious footage in the room.
Just a thought: You may be able to simplify communicating your cleat formula (width being synonymous with thickness and material having dimensions of length, height, and width/thickness): Simply add the height of material + width (thickness) of material + thickness of blade and divide the sum by 2: (H + W + Tb)/2 = distance of fence from edge of blade (tooth).
Pete’s French cleat holders are actually as much art as they are superb organizers!
#Facts. He is such an inspiration
That's some huge plywood flex! That's my kids college tuition on that wall!
So now I reached the "awesome" part. I kind of had guessed it when the parallellogram cleats were cut. I am not exactly impressed by the execution, although the basic idea might be made to work in one or two different ways. But as I see it the crucial point of french cleats is that all holders have the _same_ type of cleat. By introducing a second, spaced, type this no longer is the case, and such holders would require adding a filler piece to be mounted directly on the F.C. wall. Although that _is_ doable, it is less convenient, and old holders of the basic type would still not be mountable on top of a new type cleat top. I'd go for tighter spaced wall cleats instead, and just add a regular cleat section edge up on the front of holders that have a backplate with some excess space on it. But only for holders that I would only want to move together with the "second layer" holder. Like a holder for a cordless drill could have a second layer holder for drills and bits. You grab the drill and the drill/bits holder off the base holder and take them to the work area. You could also have a portable cleat "wall" or toolbox, and mount the selection of tools - with holders - on or in that, and take everything with you in the car, for example.
I was thinking the same thing (not all holders are the same). What you could do instead, taking the trash bag Holder example, is instead of make the clear have the 45°, you make the back board of the trash bag holder (the one attached to the clear) have the 45°. That would mean, the top tray/item wouldn't need a spacer, and it's cleat would sit on top of the back board of the bag holder. Then all your cleats are the same, and you don't lose on space.
@@parttimewoodworker2225 So the lowest cleat will be a normal, maybe slightly taller (as its contact surface is reduced by at least one cleat thickness) cleat, which then acts as "wall" to the 45° edge on the backplate of the holder? I can certainly see that working nicely, and is saves both depth and mounting an upwards cleat, only requiring cleats and backplate to have the same thickness. Great idea!
I'm going to start installing a cleat wall on my new shop wall tomorrow morning. I was browsing videos to gather ideas and find the do's and don'ts before I begin.
This was the last video I needed to watch and I am glad I saw it before I started.
The parallel cleat idea eliminates steps when cutting the cleats and, as you said, adds functionality without a down side.
Thanks for sharing.
20 yr carpenter from metro Detroit MI here. Love your enthusiasm and ideas! I'm too busy working in the field to set up my garage for finish work. One day soon hopefully. I'll be "barrowing" your tips and ideas. Thanks
Thanks brother I appreciate
Thanks for the formula and I’m going to try the double cleat and see how it would.
The FREEDOM cleat, goes well with freedom fries!
Excellent idea. Thank you for "A Glimpse Inside" your shop.
Thats great, I am imagining a stacked sand paper roll holder system like you did with your trash bag holder, but add on an old hacksaw blade on the bottom slot to tear the paper easier
I love the idea of stackable French cleats!
Such a cool idea using cleats, plus if you plan on taking it off the backboard regularly, you can also cut out a handle.
The “Pete Cleat” is AWESOME!!!
One idea I have seen and like is to put a small french cleat around the edge of your workbench. Then you can move small parts bins with the cleat and hang them on the side of your bench so it's convenient and not taking up space on your workbench.
Dude!!! That’s fricken awesome!!!
I’ve been looking to fill out my new workshop and these are now the standard! Awesome, thank you
Thank you Jeff I appreciate that sir
Very cool new idea! I haven’t replied your posts in a while now. Sometimes I’m just not in the mood for new ideas but I regularly download videos & save them. Sometime later I come back when I have more time & watch. I have two walls of my shop for French cleats including some nice cherry cabinets purchased in a yard sale, before I ever had my shop built. I’m taking some of my tool holders down & redoing them to be more versatile. Thanks for this idea & all the great videos you’ve done.
Great cleat system! Thanks for posting. The collaboration is great!
I'm so stoked about this system for my shop!! This was a AWEaaaYEAH moment when I saw the shipping station video.
Combine those brackets with a entire wall of these cleats and a huge issue of my shop is solved!!
Oh yeah that would be absolutely epic
A CLEAT ON A CLEAT! 🤯
I just finished my french cleat wall. Wish I would have seen this video before I started.
What??! Pete?!! Yeah!!! So cool to see Pete here for this video! Very “Apropos”!
Man that’s cleaver. Really cool stuff man
That was a long hang on the hook haha, but that's a genius idea. Cleat on a cleat, and a module to bring to your bench for a particular project? Amazing!
You need one of my French Cleat Caddys! Enjoyed the tweaks you’ve made. May have to try some of those.
Perfect for often used accessories and hardware that are used with whatever tool is being hung on the main holder. Bits and blades instantly come to mind.
One for your trim router holder that holds bits, wrenches, auxiliary bases, etc. …. Grab the tool then grab the tray and off to work.
Geniusly simple
I used the French Cleat to hang my flat screen TV about 6 years ago. It saved me some money and worked like a champ.
Yup. I'll def have to try this out. Thanks for sharing.
My mind is blown. Game over, great idea! Thanks, now off to redo my whole shop :)
Thanks for the tip. Very functional and I will definitely try it in my shop. Thanks for sharing.
Chris, I believe the formula @1:06 works for left-tilting saw blades (away from the saw fence) as with your Saw Stop. If the blade is right-tilting, toward the saw fence, then the formula would need to change to add (+) 1/2 of the thickness of the board.
Love it. And thanks for putting all the cleat videos in a playlist!
Thank you. Of course. I think it was you that asked about that correct. If so thanks for the push because I needed to do it anyway
@@AGlimpseInside yep that was me
Thanks! I watched this video before finishing my cleat wall. Luckily, I bought my nice plywood before the spike in prices! I like the look of that double 45 on the wall! I launched right into a specialized holder that had the side benefit of freeing up floor space in my shop...winner, winner...you know the rest! Lol! Thanks for sharing! Brilliant!
Wow this would have been great to hang my kayak on the side of the shed before I gave it away at least now I know, but for real those are some nice workshops with very neat wall utility
Trash bag holder with extension is brilliantly made you have me something to do with my trash bags and rubble bags thanks a million. You make it so simple to make and yes I would always use screws as well as glue for added protection
Bro, you just took French Cleat Inception to a whole new level!
Great idea, specially for smaller workshops
Watched this again as I get closer to doing this in my garage.
The stacking option is interesting, but the real gamechanger for me is that this lets you split a large board into several cleats all at once without waste.
I love this create a french cleat system on a assembly table to take that stuff off of the wall to hang it at the bench where you need it
I really like your channel and I think your explanation for the projects, with your style is refreshing. God bless you!
The Florida Cleat!
Nice setup in the shop.
I've been designing a sectional fishing kayak with outriggers . The three kayak sections will be held together with a French Cleat on the bottom and a threaded rod on top.
Cool tip. Thanks! Side note…I’ve never noticed that Rikon lathe gathering dust in the corner before. Would you consider doing a short series of videos on getting started in woodturning?
tHanks for the cleat over cleat idea. I've not seen that in the Internet before. I'm pretty sure I've also watched all the CZcamss out there.....all of them. This one was good!
Cleat on a cleat on a cleat! Endless possibilities
I like it, especially when you mentioned the little parts storage bins, my son has separate armor/leather/wood/black smithing/modeling etc stations and wants to mount bins to each of the stations, going to your site to see if you went forward with this idea.