Great video dude. Keep them coming. This is Diesel Tech Ron level and he was and will always be highly respected. Hopefully you'll get plenty of endorsements from companies such as IPR.
Super grateful for all your videos. This helped me decide on a ipr kit. Your install videos are super to the point and well explained. Thanks for your time
Amazing video, I am guessing this would take me about a day and rewatching your video about 20 times. You are extremely well trained. And professional! Thanks for the great videos. I bought a 2005 about2 years ago and am starting to lose low pressure after oil heats up. This and your other videos have given me the knowledge and courage to attest try to troubleshoot the common culprits
I've had a 06 model 250 for a couple of years now. Unfortunately, I spend most of my time in company vehicles and the truck set for a while. It had several mods with a scat tuner which I can only assume is what took out the tranny. With all that I'm going through it fixing things and I performed a backflush on the oil cooler because the delta-T was 22-25. That was just normal travel with no load. Backflush made the delta T better and I flushed the system by removing both block plugs and doing this over and over until I was satisfied and what came out was clear. During the backflush using air pressure I turned the psi up and gave it some small bumps and increasing but allowing the water to catch up. Block plugs were reinstalled. I did this maybe 3x putting it back together and driving it then again and again. I used a scale remover or Blue Devil radiator flush drove around about 4hrs and flushed again then used the distilled water for the last flush. I didn't have anything to really test pulling uphill at the time. Normal driving conditions are good. The truck has 190 tstat. Now I had to haul a tractor recently and the EOT spiked forcing me to pull over allowing it to cool off, which it did pretty fast compared to before the flush. I do have a coolant filter installed and think maybe it needs to replaced and I'm gonna flush without using chemical, but if it doesn't work this time, I will be replacing the cooler. Good info and I'm sure I will have some questions and now I know where to ask them.
My truck has this kit and I didn’t install it. When are you going to upload an oil changing video with this kit? I’ve heard they leak bad if you mess it up so would love to see exactly how it’s done so I don’t go through that. Thanks for all your time and effort on making these.
Oh wow, I did NOT know that the injector wires would unplug like that!!! I've worked on these things (mine and buddies) for 10 years now, just shows you that you can ALWAYS learn something new. Nice tip on the exhaust clamps as well. That up-pipe can be a bitch most of the time!
The point to the bypass coolant filters is to not block flow of coolant to the engine... If you filter all your coolant, and say it plugs up, if your not a keen eye you may realize too late when your truck overheats... A pypass filter, even if plugged off, allows coolant to flow! Plus the idea is eventually you'll filter the sand and such in your coolant with just a bypass
Thanks so much for the video man. I didn't receive any documentation with my IPR kit, and their communication is lacking at best. I was able to use this video to completely install this kit! I am so happy with how well it works!
@@ryleighmarie1 it’s worked amazing! I haven’t seen a 20 degree delta since I installed it and I tow a 12,000 pound trailer in South Florida. Towed it from Fort Myers across alligator alley all the way to Key West and back in 90 degree heat. I don’t use the truck every day, so I haven’t done a oil change yet.
How’s the ipr’s kit doing? Any leaks or issues. I still need to install mine but I keep reading negatives about it so I’m thinking maybe it’s good I haven’t gotten to it yet
one time after putting my truck back to gether I started it up and it ran for a while then stalled. I saw gallons of oil on the ground. Later I realized I forgot to install the upper turbo oil fitting so the engine starved itself of oil. The good news is that now I know if your drain plug ever comes loose on the highway and all the oil comes out it will not damage your engine, it will just stall it when its low enough to not fire injectors and such. Drove it another couple years now im doing the ipr kit.
I got this kit this week and putting it in now. I'm at the point where I need to know the coolant hose routing. So I have an egr delete kit, can't remember what brand it is. I put it in years ago. You specified a brand when you talked about reversing the routing on the coolant hoses. Aren't they pretty much all the same? Mine just comes out of the bottom of the intake does a 180 degree turn and goes right into that nipple on the oil cooler housing. I did'nt get any instructions with my kit. I'll check online for more specifics. Great job on this video. Very detailed, and I followed along as I was doing mine. I shoulda put this kit in when I did my last oil cooler change 2 years ago. Backflushing the stock cooler only works a few times and then the cooler clogs up progressively worse each time. I didn't put this in the last time because funds were tight at the time, and I needed my truck. Thanks for an excellent video.
Great video!!! Hope to see more! Could you please do a informational video on taking out a 2004ish 6.0 engine in the future? I’m trying to figure out how to “bulletproof” my truck and do it myself to save money. I love doing work myself. Thanks so much!
I bought a pickup with this kit on it. I need to change the oil but I'm not sure what to do? Do you just disconnect the lines from the top of the oil filter housing? How often should the coolant filter be changed?
My 2004 6.0L Powerstroke diesel has a high desired rpm like 4325rpm on scan tool with red indication on the pids. All other data looks normal and checked throttle plate and accelerator pedal sensor values. All other data looks normal for the truck to start but it does run. Cranks normal and white smokes out of exhaust.
I just finished the long version, nice work on training and funny outakes at the end...I did all possible updates on my 06 but didn't do head gaskets, thankfully it worked out good but everyone says to "just do them" while you are in that deep, you didn't either, just wondering why.
The problem is not the filter its how it's installed splicing into two pipes while allowing the majority of coolant to continue unfiltered to the oil cooler , is the problem do you think the sand in the coolant will do a 90 and go through the filter or carry on as it did before and go through the rad and onto the oil cooler. I did a mod by mounting the oil cooler by the battery on the passengers side with hoses for oil and coolant, I installed a 2" strainer which strains all the coolant before it passes through the oil cooler. these hoses allow me to back flush the coolant side of the oil filter as required and you would not believe the amount of sand I take out . Its been three year's now with no problems and my delta is 4degrees to begin and I clean when it gets to 12 degrees
So, the coolant and oil temp sensors aren’t moved onto the new cooler? Doesn’t that screw temps and deltas? On oem oil cooler is are the temps post cooler or pre cooler?
Also looking forward to the oil change video with this setup. I’ve been waiting to pull the trigger on this setup but have some questions. I’m gonna try to reach out to ipr also
I know this might sound dumb but you stated it’s important to not clean out the oil with shop rags because the lint will destroy the screen or the ipr. So what do you recommend cleaning it out with that won’t leave any lint or fibers? Thanks for all the 6.0 info brother
This is a great video. I’m about to tackle this same project and your video will be a essential tool during the process. I’ve heard that a coolant flush is necessary before installing a new oil cooler. Did you flush and replace the coolant prior to installing the kit? Or does the in line coolant filter allow one to skip the coolant flush? Thanks again for all the invaluable information!
Always a good idea to flush the coolant before hand. This kit does have a full flow coolant filter so as long as you stay on top of that you will never have issues. If you don’t flush the coolant first expect to have to clean the filter in a very short period of time.
I bought a truck with this system installed. I am wondering if you know of anything that could go wrong with this system that would mimic a head gasket problem. (Excsessiv coolant pressure) ?? And it blew all 3 of the party noisemakers when I did the technical test that you designed. Lol Thanks, Jon
Thanks! Its the deleted system. I knew it wasn't studded and didnt know there was an issue until I was towing in the hills. I knew the risk but hoped i could do the preventive job on my time. Nope. Thanks again!
I have a 2007 what direction does the coolant flow in mine so that when I install this product I’m putting it in the right direction? Is there adequate instructions that will guide me in the process? I need some clarification on that part of the video you mentioned the direction to install the coolant lines. Thanks for your time.
Hey man I'm only at the halfway point but I am always curious what youtube powerstroke dudes are standing on to reach and how they don't get annoyed by the hood latch poking... I have a couple great tricks.
CG INDUSTRIAL I stand on an aluminum step I got from Home Depot. And I usually put a pad or a few folded up fender covers over the hood latch. I’ve tried the overhead creeper but could never get comfortable with it.
@@cgindustrial1859 I built me a metal rectangular stool just for working on my 04, I also have winch brush guard on the front with no winch so that makes a nice step. Then if I have to lay in the engine bay, I have a few old pillows that I throw in there.
Does the oil filter cap have any additional output ports? I want this but I want to maintain the ability to use my frantz. I can keep using my frantz with BPD's.
@@InTheShop I shouldn't have skipped the intro oof. I'm about 30% in to the job Thanks to you and diesel ron I'm getting it done. Can't wait to have this IPR external cooler installed 😁
I have installed a few. I personally have not had one leak. The few that I have seen people had issues with were installer error. Typically not following the instructions while indexing the cap.
@@InTheShop yours has different stuff under the hood that mine doesn't. Going to scratch my head for a while and come back at it tomorrow. Appreciate the quick response.
Liquid to oil cooling is far more efficient than air to oil. The air to oil is too dependent on ambient air temp. The 6.0 cooling system is designed to accommodate a liquid oil cooler. Oil temps stay far more consistent this way.
@@InTheShop Sorry not to be confused but I meant why the IPR remote (liquid cooled) was used vs. the BPD remote (liquid cooled not air). I am aware that BPD has a air cooled but that is was not the one I was referencing.
@@a2cho I really like the IPR setup. They were the first to the game with it and have made nice improvements as time had gone on. The newest version uses the 6.7 cooler. I’m not sure what the BPD uses. I think it’s a matter of brand preference and I personally feel IPR is a better product.
@@InTheShop awesome! Thanks for the replies and keep up the awesome content. I am learning a ton from your videos always watch through multiple times. Great stuff!
Hey Charles. Here is a link to the cleaning and flow test instructions. www.iprresearch.com/skin/common_files/images/manual/IPR_Coolant_Filter_Manual_Design_rough_82016.pdf
The cooler mounts in the same location the sinister stuff does. This is far superior though cause it filters 100% of the coolant that goes through the oil cooler not just a sample like the other brands do.
Wish I found this video earlier. Was asking cause I might need a new oil cooler and like the idea of having it exposed in an easier area to get it serviced.
Great video dude. Keep them coming. This is Diesel Tech Ron level and he was and will always be highly respected. Hopefully you'll get plenty of endorsements from companies such as IPR.
Love watching it done correctly with confidence!
Thanks Steve. Many years experience built this confidence. I wasn’t always confident.
This is the best video I have seen on the subject . Great job.
Super grateful for all your videos. This helped me decide on a ipr kit. Your install videos are super to the point and well explained. Thanks for your time
Great teacher. Proficient mechanic. Excellent camera work. Thanks.
Amazing video, I am guessing this would take me about a day and rewatching your video about 20 times. You are extremely well trained. And professional! Thanks for the great videos. I bought a 2005 about2 years ago and am starting to lose low pressure after oil heats up. This and your other videos have given me the knowledge and courage to attest try to troubleshoot the common culprits
Thank you! It can be done in a day but if you have never done one I would plan on a solid weekend.
Nice work. Finishing mine up this week.
I've had a 06 model 250 for a couple of years now. Unfortunately, I spend most of my time in company vehicles and the truck set for a while. It had several mods with a scat tuner which I can only assume is what took out the tranny. With all that I'm going through it fixing things and I performed a backflush on the oil cooler because the delta-T was 22-25. That was just normal travel with no load. Backflush made the delta T better and I flushed the system by removing both block plugs and doing this over and over until I was satisfied and what came out was clear. During the backflush using air pressure I turned the psi up and gave it some small bumps and increasing but allowing the water to catch up. Block plugs were reinstalled. I did this maybe 3x putting it back together and driving it then again and again. I used a scale remover or Blue Devil radiator flush drove around about 4hrs and flushed again then used the distilled water for the last flush. I didn't have anything to really test pulling uphill at the time. Normal driving conditions are good. The truck has 190 tstat. Now I had to haul a tractor recently and the EOT spiked forcing me to pull over allowing it to cool off, which it did pretty fast compared to before the flush. I do have a coolant filter installed and think maybe it needs to replaced and I'm gonna flush without using chemical, but if it doesn't work this time, I will be replacing the cooler. Good info and I'm sure I will have some questions and now I know where to ask them.
My truck has this kit and I didn’t install it. When are you going to upload an oil changing video with this kit? I’ve heard they leak bad if you mess it up so would love to see exactly how it’s done so I don’t go through that. Thanks for all your time and effort on making these.
Oh wow, I did NOT know that the injector wires would unplug like that!!! I've worked on these things (mine and buddies) for 10 years now, just shows you that you can ALWAYS learn something new. Nice tip on the exhaust clamps as well. That up-pipe can be a bitch most of the time!
The point to the bypass coolant filters is to not block flow of coolant to the engine... If you filter all your coolant, and say it plugs up, if your not a keen eye you may realize too late when your truck overheats... A pypass filter, even if plugged off, allows coolant to flow! Plus the idea is eventually you'll filter the sand and such in your coolant with just a bypass
Great video man, you really do quality work. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with us mere mortals.
Thank you!
I’ve built up 2 different 302 small block fords and 1 5.4 triton this will be my first diesel job thanks for your info and help
Thanks so much for the video man. I didn't receive any documentation with my IPR kit, and their communication is lacking at best. I was able to use this video to completely install this kit! I am so happy with how well it works!
Glad I could help!!!
Just did mine this weekend, couldn’t have done it without this video! Thank you!
How’s it been working for you man? Your deltas been good? Have you done an oil change yet?
@@ryleighmarie1 it’s worked amazing! I haven’t seen a 20 degree delta since I installed it and I tow a 12,000 pound trailer in South Florida. Towed it from Fort Myers across alligator alley all the way to Key West and back in 90 degree heat. I don’t use the truck every day, so I haven’t done a oil change yet.
You are a great instructor, thank you so much for doing this 👍😁
Thanks Dave!
Another Interesting job that you’ve done. Keep up the good work keep the videos coming they’re all interesting and they’re all helpful.
Thanks Bill
Great videos. Not sure if I have time to do this all myself, but it's great to know how to get it right.
Nicely done Nathan!!! Excellent work! Something I will seriously consider in the future.
Badass video man. Thanks for sharing you really know your stuff and I appreciate this!
Idk why you don’t have more subscribers yet.
Just installed the kit! Works great.
When are the videos coming for oil change and filter cleaned?
How’s the ipr’s kit doing? Any leaks or issues. I still need to install mine but I keep reading negatives about it so I’m thinking maybe it’s good I haven’t gotten to it yet
Great video. Learned so much
one time after putting my truck back to gether I started it up and it ran for a while then stalled. I saw gallons of oil on the ground. Later I realized I forgot to install the upper turbo oil fitting so the engine starved itself of oil. The good news is that now I know if your drain plug ever comes loose on the highway and all the oil comes out it will not damage your engine, it will just stall it when its low enough to not fire injectors and such. Drove it another couple years now im doing the ipr kit.
I got this kit this week and putting it in now. I'm at the point where I need to know the coolant hose routing. So I have an egr delete kit, can't remember what brand it is. I put it in years ago. You specified a brand when you talked about reversing the routing on the coolant hoses. Aren't they pretty much all the same? Mine just comes out of the bottom of the intake does a 180 degree turn and goes right into that nipple on the oil cooler housing. I did'nt get any instructions with my kit. I'll check online for more specifics. Great job on this video. Very detailed, and I followed along as I was doing mine. I shoulda put this kit in when I did my last oil cooler change 2 years ago. Backflushing the stock cooler only works a few times and then the cooler clogs up progressively worse each time. I didn't put this in the last time because funds were tight at the time, and I needed my truck. Thanks for an excellent video.
Awesome video mate, looks like a good kit would be good to change the egr cooler maybe do the fuel return kit all at the same time
Awesome video! Keep up the good work.
is this black magic" how did you get diesel tech Rons knowledge and willingness to share . and then expound upon it.
Great video!!! Hope to see more! Could you please do a informational video on taking out a 2004ish 6.0 engine in the future? I’m trying to figure out how to “bulletproof” my truck and do it myself to save money. I love doing work myself. Thanks so much!
Thanks buddy.
Thanks a lot this video help me so much good tech perfect explanation keep going up
How has this set up been? Care to do a long term review video?
Great video man
Glad you enjoyed! Thank you
I bought a pickup with this kit on it. I need to change the oil but I'm not sure what to do? Do you just disconnect the lines from the top of the oil filter housing? How often should the coolant filter be changed?
My 2004 6.0L Powerstroke diesel has a high desired rpm like 4325rpm on scan tool with red indication on the pids. All other data looks normal and checked throttle plate and accelerator pedal sensor values. All other data looks normal for the truck to start but it does run. Cranks normal and white smokes out of exhaust.
I just finished the long version, nice work on training and funny outakes at the end...I did all possible updates on my 06 but didn't do head gaskets, thankfully it worked out good but everyone says to "just do them" while you are in that deep, you didn't either, just wondering why.
If you’re not tuning the truck for more HP or anything there is no need, stock does just fine
Great video man !!!
Could we get an update video?
Very helpful! Thank you
Great video, thank you very much.
Thanks Tommy!
@@InTheShop No problem, keep up the good work!!
Where can I find this full kit? Very interested and FANTASTIC video, keep up the good educating!
The kit is linked in the description of the video. Thank you!
thank you
The problem is not the filter its how it's installed splicing into two pipes while allowing the majority of coolant to continue unfiltered to the oil cooler , is the problem do you think the sand in the coolant will do a 90 and go through the filter or carry on as it did before and go through the rad and onto the oil cooler. I did a mod by mounting the oil cooler by the battery on the passengers side with hoses for oil and coolant, I installed a 2" strainer which strains all the coolant before it passes through the oil cooler. these hoses allow me to back flush the coolant side of the oil filter as required and you would not believe the amount of sand I take out . Its been three year's now with no problems and my delta is 4degrees to begin and I clean when it gets to 12 degrees
nice job..good work..
Thank you
Cool video. Thank you. What the price of this complect
So, the coolant and oil temp sensors aren’t moved onto the new cooler? Doesn’t that screw temps and deltas? On oem oil cooler is are the temps post cooler or pre cooler?
Also looking forward to the oil change video with this setup. I’ve been waiting to pull the trigger on this setup but have some questions. I’m gonna try to reach out to ipr also
nice trick dude. great if it was that easy. Snap and done. lol
haha Thanks Greg
I know this might sound dumb but you stated it’s important to not clean out the oil with shop rags because the lint will destroy the screen or the ipr. So what do you recommend cleaning it out with that won’t leave any lint or fibers? Thanks for all the 6.0 info brother
I usually use a small dixie cup to scoop most of it out then I use lint free shop rags like these amzn.to/3p0mz7B to absorb the rest.
This is a great video. I’m about to tackle this same project and your video will be a essential tool during the process.
I’ve heard that a coolant flush is necessary before installing a new oil cooler. Did you flush and replace the coolant prior to installing the kit? Or does the in line coolant filter allow one to skip the coolant flush? Thanks again for all the invaluable information!
Always a good idea to flush the coolant before hand. This kit does have a full flow coolant filter so as long as you stay on top of that you will never have issues. If you don’t flush the coolant first expect to have to clean the filter in a very short period of time.
@@InTheShopI guess it would be better in the long run to just go ahead and change out the coolant. Thanks!
I bought a truck with this system installed. I am wondering if you know of anything that could go wrong with this system that would mimic a head gasket problem. (Excsessiv coolant pressure) ?? And it blew all 3 of the party noisemakers when I did the technical test that you designed. Lol
Thanks, Jon
Nothing with this kit could cause that issue. Excessive cooling pressure can only come from a bad EGR cooler or bad headgaskets.
Thanks! Its the deleted system. I knew it wasn't studded and didnt know there was an issue until I was towing in the hills. I knew the risk but hoped i could do the preventive job on my time. Nope. Thanks again!
Awesome. Thanks.
Can you do something like doing head gaskets at home and studs ?
I wish i saw this before i bought the Coolant filter system from Moshimito.
You can have both
Did you use any Teflon tape to the fitting for the oil and coolant fittings( the two brass ones) I purchased the dual filter setup. Thanks
I use teflon on any pipe thread fitting.
I have a 2007 what direction does the coolant flow in mine so that when I install this product I’m putting it in the right direction? Is there adequate instructions that will guide me in the process? I need some clarification on that part of the video you mentioned the direction to install the coolant lines. Thanks for your time.
Hey man I'm only at the halfway point but I am always curious what youtube powerstroke dudes are standing on to reach and how they don't get annoyed by the hood latch poking... I have a couple great tricks.
CG INDUSTRIAL I stand on an aluminum step I got from Home Depot. And I usually put a pad or a few folded up fender covers over the hood latch. I’ve tried the overhead creeper but could never get comfortable with it.
@@InTheShop Thanks for the reply, love the channel, cheers
@@cgindustrial1859 I built me a metal rectangular stool just for working on my 04, I also have winch brush guard on the front with no winch so that makes a nice step. Then if I have to lay in the engine bay, I have a few old pillows that I throw in there.
This kit seems good but how’s the oil get from top of filter to the cooler??
The standpipe that goes through the middle seals on the cap. The oil is pushed through the standpipe
Does the oil filter cap have any additional output ports? I want this but I want to maintain the ability to use my frantz. I can keep using my frantz with BPD's.
The cap does have a port they could be used for things like a gauge or bypass filter setup.
might be helpful for some folks to know the coolant system should be drained *before* doing this job
Absolutely. I state that about 3:55 into the video.
@@InTheShop I shouldn't have skipped the intro oof. I'm about 30% in to the job Thanks to you and diesel ron I'm getting it done. Can't wait to have this IPR external cooler installed 😁
Have you installed many of these I've heard stories about them having problems with leaks
I have installed a few. I personally have not had one leak. The few that I have seen people had issues with were installer error. Typically not following the instructions while indexing the cap.
I leave back bolt off
Never has been an issue
Great video. But how do you change the oil filter? Do you have to bull the braided lines?
Yes. I’ll eventually be making a video about it but you take both lines off and rest them on a rag on the cowl then spin the whole housing off.
Thanks for the video. So do you have to remove the hoses to change the oil filter. Do you prefer this over the bullet proof upgrade.
The hoses do need to be removed to change the oil. I prefer this kit personally.
Any tips for removing the housing? Recently bought a truck with this kit on it. Do you have to loosen the set screws or does the whole housing turn?
I dont' understand why you have to losen it 1.5 turns to tighten the bolts then you just turn the whole thing to tighten it again. what am i missing?
can you replace the intake with the cross over to one that does not have the cross over
Yeah but you would also need to change the EGR cooler and up pipes
Now that you have had the kit in for a while what temps are you producing?
Any updates on this install? Worth the $$$?
How’s the oil cooler doing so far? I’m debating wether to get the ipr or go oem
Did you notch the hood to make room for the coolant filter? I've got an '06 and there doesn't seem to be enough room for the thing to fit!
Mine fit fine with no clearance issues.
@@InTheShop yours has different stuff under the hood that mine doesn't. Going to scratch my head for a while and come back at it tomorrow. Appreciate the quick response.
@@JoshuaCollins if you want you can send pictures to nathan@intheshopmedia.com and I’ll look at them tomorrow and see what you have going on.
The mesh screen will rip if theres to much debris clogging it.
Absolutely. They also tear from elevated oil temps making them brittle.
can you adapt the Amsoil bypass filter to this kit?
any particular reason why you went with IPR remote oil cooler vs the BPD remote oil cooler?
Liquid to oil cooling is far more efficient than air to oil. The air to oil is too dependent on ambient air temp. The 6.0 cooling system is designed to accommodate a liquid oil cooler. Oil temps stay far more consistent this way.
@@InTheShop Sorry not to be confused but I meant why the IPR remote (liquid cooled) was used vs. the BPD remote (liquid cooled not air). I am aware that BPD has a air cooled but that is was not the one I was referencing.
@@a2cho I really like the IPR setup. They were the first to the game with it and have made nice improvements as time had gone on. The newest version uses the 6.7 cooler. I’m not sure what the BPD uses. I think it’s a matter of brand preference and I personally feel IPR is a better product.
@@InTheShop awesome! Thanks for the replies and keep up the awesome content. I am learning a ton from your videos always watch through multiple times. Great stuff!
You mentioned “flow test” how is that done?
Hey Charles. Here is a link to the cleaning and flow test instructions. www.iprresearch.com/skin/common_files/images/manual/IPR_Coolant_Filter_Manual_Design_rough_82016.pdf
do you have to take the turbo out
Will this kit work with having a sinister oil-coolant filtration kit already?
The cooler mounts in the same location the sinister stuff does. This is far superior though cause it filters 100% of the coolant that goes through the oil cooler not just a sample like the other brands do.
Wish I found this video earlier.
Was asking cause I might need a new oil cooler and like the idea of having it exposed in an easier area to get it serviced.
How would I get a hold of you?
Where i can get that kit from?
There is a link in the description of the video to IPRs site.
Is this something that can be done by anyone?
Great video, but I'll stick with my bulletproof diesel oil cooler. It's far more simple and far let parts to fail. These IPR coolers fail.
Where are located at
Massachusetts
Me watching this while working on a shuttle bus, like wtf he can fit an impact for the v band clamps?? Haha this job sucks
Busses are tough for sure
The only problem with that upgrade, that it's not a upgrade, is a downgrade.
Labor time?