After the community has settled their feelings on the radical changes to The Finals ranked mode, I figured it wouldn’t hurt to put my ten cents in on this matter.
I don't know if I'd say people understand teamwork in power shift. It's just become the mode everyone uses for their challenges. And some people seem absolutely oblivious to the idea that they need to get on the platform
I feel like once the one minute warning comes up people start pub pushing and swap over to more competitive weapons and gadgets, but I don't disagree powershift is the go to challenge grind mode. 😎
@@whwhwhhwhhhwhdldkjdsnsjsks6544 They are people who mixing it also fighting with the platform control. I found that very tactical and usefull with a good the teammates.
Tbf, if youre a light class, and get on the platform, you’ll just die. It’s only needed for that class for clutch plays. Two or three are enough in the platform. Lights and some mediums are best for protecting the platform out of it
I think a small fix to third partying is to make it so you slowly gain points while in control of the cashout, and initiating and having it when it ends gives you bursts of points aswell, this encourages people to not camp to the end of the cashout and then rush and steal it.
nah, then it won't be "The Finals" like - did you ever still at the last seconds? It's the best feeling of the game... like you scream with your team and everything - but like - those slow captures will make it - idk... sheet?)) There is plenty of solution - like - make it longer for everyone next to still?? orr block cashout for 2-3 teams who touch it? Like - all of this need to be somehow tested and developed to the finals product... I hope one day we would got Best of the Best rank mode... I belive...(if game won't die in next 2 seasons)
@@m.poppins4843 the problem is the imbalance; one team frequently gets to camp on a cash out that no one else is contesting. Third partying is the fun/intense part, so, yeah, one cash out at a time fixes the random/luck problem.
TA doesn't work because 5 ppl run to one obj and 2 or 3 enemies will be there to defend a unfair fight. The damage 5 enemies can do to 2 or 3 enemies makes it always unbalanced. In games like csgo and r6 you have 1 shot mechanics which balance the 5 vs 2 aspects and makes it more skill based. Yes you can ace a 5 man in the finals but it's highly unlikely especially if they are a stack. I don't think TA will ever be a good mode for the finals unless they change damage on head shots. Even then I'm not sure if anyone would want to play it because cash out is quick wins and ta takes 7 wins just to get 1 win on your stats. For that reason alone I haven't touched ta and never will.
I do disagree with the implication that many shooters having similarities to terminal attack made it somewhat redundant - terminal attack still makes full use of the large, destructible maps, which so many competitors just lack. It still has many of the good traits about the finals, such as the range of classes, specialisations and gadgets which imo are a lot better here than most games I’ve seen.
Great vid! Keep up the good work! I’m coming from competitive Overwatch and Apex and only started playing The Finals a month ago. I have played every game mode maybe 40-50 times, but Terminal Attack is my favorite one by far. It’s less random than other game modes, and I feel more in control there. I also kind of disagree with many CZcamsrs saying that if people want to play something like Terminal Attack, they're better off with CS2 or Valorant. It's not even close. Neither of the two have a similar tempo to The Finals, which I absolutely love.
Thanks bud, glad to hear you enjoyed the video! It's awesome to hear that someone who also came from competitive Apex enjoys The Finals, there really isn't another game like it out there.😎 I just wanted to present what both cashout and terminal attack do well in a competitive setting. Neither mode is perfect but Embark is moving in the right direction for a more competitive mode for ranked.
I have to disagree with what you said when you said, "If people wanted to play a slower paced, more tactical game, they would simply play Counterstrike, it is free to play or they would play Valorant, it's free to play and it gives them that specific game mode." - I want that game mode, but I hate the movement and gun mechanics in both of those games. It's slow and boring. I want the movement, controls and feeling of the gunplay from the Finals in a strategic mode like Terminal Attack. Back before Terminal Attack ever existed, my favorite way to play The Finals was in the last round of Ranked Tournament where it was just two teams, 3v3, it felt so much more controlled and methodical, everything actually felt like it required thought and wasn't just a chaotic mess. To me, that was the best way to play and Terminal Attack kind of just gave me more of that.
I think that would be interesting but sometimes Power Shift turns into a steamroll if your team's opening is hyper aggressive and coordinated, but I’d still love to see full lobbies of diamonds try it.
I think another massive proble in my opinion is that new players are now shown that the finals main mode is terminal attack. As a causal player, wt feels exactly like the old ranked except new players have no idea and say wt dosnt feel like the finals
My biggest gripe with ranked TA is that it completely nullifies the medium class by removing heal beam and defibrilator. As a medium main and rank grinder what am I supposed to do? Play a class I don't feel comfortable with? If they just brought back recon senses for medium it would at least still be usable.
I'm personally best with mediums weapons and kit, while other class can out dps me sometimes the turret and dematerializer are super powerful. Plus you can never go wrong with mines and grenades, medium can become an extra gun in a team fight with more powerful team shots without having to worry about healing. At least that's what I’ve found. 👍
Didnt really have tough time with 3rd partying. Healing beam and mines help a ton. Mines get you free kill or a safe zone to retreat to and healing beam will just keep your team topped off. On top of that you kust need good positioning. Defending was way easier than attacking imo.
as a heavy main, this competitive season has been pure hell. every other team i get and am up against is L L L L H (me the H) and im Vs L L M L L. its all just light, endless invis, insane movement speed, and the damage is extrmeely high. hooking someone leaves me still at a disadvantage because they most of the time just dash away and are gone. or just can sit waiting for the final obj because light. its really painful, but i still am on heavy moving through gold.
@@justamandd the finals is more than just the rules of the game. It the maps, gadgets, weapons, specializations, and destruction. Not here to defend or attack TA. Just here to challenge what The Finals is.
in cashout timing and positioning is key to avoid getting 3rd partied as the 2nd team (attacking a cashout in progress), I just fight the 3rd team and dump util on team 1 (defenders of cashout). Cashout is just a new game mode, and powershift/TA is just so unaspiring and done-out by other games. Embark just needs to stick with what makes them unique, because people will play a game just for on mode/style of mode.
Yeah these calculations are a huge part of the game and account for a lot of the "luck" most people get frustrated by, Unfortunately it's not well known/understood outside of the higher ranks yet from what I've seen.
@@THEscurgeX A lot of games have focused on decreasing the skill gap between people who have taken the time to learn things like positioning and timing. I spent a good chunk of time learning and implementing these to go from bronze to diamond, thats why it is a competitive mode and if you want to climb the ladder you can always learn.
New mode ideas. Futebol: in the practice arena is that wall where you can try throwing the cube through different holes. That got me thinking how fun it would be to have a football style game mode. - Two teams battling over one cube, trying to snag it and throw it into one of the holes on the other team’s wall to score points. - I’m thinking 6v6: GK Heavy, Two Medium midfielders, 3 light attackers. - shorter respawn timer so kills grant an advantage but not a guaranteed goal, squad wipe would be a guaranteed goal though. So, maybe no respawn timer so the focus is always on out playing the other team and not just going for squad wipes. Idk. - It could be done by using smaller sections of the maps or just make one custom small map for that and maybe a free for all melee only tag mode. Other ideas: 1. Free for all tag/monkey in the middle 2. Melee only mode 3. Hide and seek: with destructible environments and cloak grenades this would be a fun mode. Any other ideas?
As somebody with 50+ hours in TA ranked so far I think the real issue is the fact that its only two teams so one is losing and one is winning. Where in cashout you could just carry two other teammates past first round so that you don't lose any in TA if you have a bad team you lose.
TA should take a page from S&D and use one point to decrypt Also they could expand on the destroy part since this is a core mechanic of the game. Dont really know what a good way to implement the idea but there’s something here I think
Whenever I hear somebody say third partying is "blind luck" it's clear we have a large skill issue. The best players in the game are extremely good at macro, and know when to go in, when to back out and let the "third partying" team fight the second party. I get that it's way simpler if a game is just "see enemy? go kill them", but The Finals is a little more complicated than that. Third partying is not an issue, the issue the game has is that you can press tab, and see exactly who is the harder to beat enemy, and avoid them, and can also press tab, see who is struggling, and go fight them. You should not be able to see updated combat scores and K/Ds until the game ends. You should have to do actual scouting and recon to figure out what's happening on the other side of the map, not just sit in a corner pressing tab. The main reason third partying happens so often is exactly this, the fact that the team that isn't getting attacked, will always know exactly what is happening on the other side of the map, and will always know when an enemy team might come to fight them. Third partying itself is not an issue, we've seen other games like Apex that have third partying still thrive as a competitive game, and removing third partying would dumb down the game into something I'm not interested in playing. The spawns could maybe be adjusted to lower the chance of being spawned next to a cashout that already has 2 teams on it, but besides that, the state of third partying is fine. You just need to get better at being calm, calculated, and not having escape paths thought out before you get swarmed with enemies.
I think a 5v5 cashout tournament style would be a good option. definitely needs some rules like gadget limits so we dont get 5 defib meds but it has potential
Reading between the lines, I believe they’re going to be using the lessons learned from WT (which will later have limited loadouts and other variants) to continue to tweak cashout for a competitive experience. So I don’t expect to see ranked cashout back for S3. I don’t mind, since it felt like S2 and S1 went by so quickly… and I like pretty much every mode except the ranked version of TA (unranked is fun imo)
They really need to fix the aiming in the system because other shooters like Apex extempliance Rogue company even call of duty have never had inconsistency like I do in this game
I really would like to see how the game would play if it was 4v4 instead or 3v3v3v3 and also if tournaments didn't have coins. The most frustrating part of tournaments is that there is no incentive to unlock the vault and start the cashout, your team risks get wiped which is a huge punishment but the only benefit is the small amount of money it gives you for opening and inserting the vault.
I think we could get some interesting limited time modes from Embark just experimenting with things like that. I agree that the fact nobody except those willing to get third partied will open and start cashouts is annoying. The money earned won't compensate for losing the cashout or create a buffer for getting teamwiped because of it. At most it won me games I should have lost by $1000 by opening vaults or starting a cash out and not letting the two lower teams steal it.
Modified Powershift might be a good ranked competitive mode. I'm thinking 4 teams (3 people each unless the servers can handle 4 teams of 5) 2 platforms, Platforms only move forward and have longer tracks, holding a platform gains money for your team with a good bonus for holding it at the end of the track(bonus should be enough for underdogs to win without being so much that theres no point in taking the platform until the end), only 1 team can go onto the next round (it may be a good idea to third party but you know you're letting one team keep a platform so if you cant get the other one fast enough then you will be behind unless they wipe later.) Platforms over cashout, more dynamic, more combat, no chasing lights across the map because both enemy teams are ahead and they can just take the cash boxes and play keep away for the last minute, and noone spends half the game sitting in a corner watching a circle fill up because the other teams know they cant just ignore you and accept second place. Thoughts? Would the chaos of constant action make this less or more competitive?
I have to agree, terminal attack doesnt make sense. Im new and coming in seasone 3, i didnt even know cashout is the default, i just thought oh another search and destrto type of games, then wehn i got to the inventory and look at the options of weapons and gadgets.. it simply doesnt make sens what the game allow you and doesnt allow you to play with. Later on i realized cashout was what the finals was centered around
Yeah they really dropped the ball forcing people to play Terminal Attack, it really hurt the other modes and probably hurt the growth of the game at the start of the season. 😔
I think the reason so many randoms are braindead is because the game has quit a few mechanics for little Timmy to comprehend and make use of, though that is mostly a skill issue.
This dude spent 10 minutes talking way over my head as far as competitive this and game mechanics that. The only part I understood was hard stuck Gold, because, same 😞 I just enjoyed listening to his voice, so here we are at the end of the video 😎
Whether or not you understood my mad rambling, I’m glad the only part you got out of this was me being hard stuck gold. 🤣 Glad the video kept you entertained.
I have been playing the finals since B0 so I have seen every update and s3 is the WORST so far don’t get me wrong Kyoto looks beautiful but why did they add 2 MELEE weapons (worst decision) and also a bow but I’m having a time deciding wether Kyoto is worse or Vegas is but the only problems with Kyoto is that it’s way to open cause we will always get lights going to the highest buildings and sniping because their KD ratio is better and should win the game but it’s also far to destructible If they wanna fix tournament “world tour” i have suggested that they not only fix spawn locations but also add barriers to each cashout they are ~ 90m big and you can leave this area whenever you want you just cannot shot INTO it how this barriers would fully work is that each cashout runs ~2min when a team dies the process is paused so the players can get 3-4 chances and it starts up when another team enters these barriers this would absolutely delete 3rd party but while giving you a choice as to what team you wanna fight if a third team tries to enter this barrier they will just be locked out and forced to go after that 2nd cashout OR they can wait for the other team to die for those barriers to drop so this will force a decision that if you wipe a team you can either go for cash out but risk for the 3rd team arrive before you revive a tm8 or vice versa
I've always wondered why they don't try a 5v5 cashout. Only 2 teams, no third partying. Bigger team to involve more strategies (5 rpgs go boom) ... plus they can keep the same tournament format.
La clase ligera en este modo esta muy muy fuerte.. viejo apenas inicia la partida y ya te pegaron la mitad de vida con francotirador para que te rematen en .5 segundos despues, te quitan 1000 - 1200 puntos por perder aun que seas el mejor y ganas 300 por partida.. no me motiva. -2do punto, si 1-2 jugadores abandonan en media partida, no importa, te quitan 1000 puntos igual
I hope they can wait for the next 3 months but that’s all the way September . Recent patches have been minimal, hope that only means that they’re working on something big
They tried the solo Bank It mode which I really enjoyed as a LTM and would like to see come back for a week, if you want TDM just play around the platform of Power Shift. It's incredibly fun.👍
@specialservice but its not the goal. if team death match is added people who just focus kills can still benefit the score instead of just ingoring the primary goal. Objective based modes kinda make killing less helpful by default. It's always better to play Objective focused instead of kill focused. This game has no mode were killing is a good focus except terminal attack which seems more in spite of it then intentionally done. If it had a team death match or free for all i think more people would play to. A common thing i hear in this game is i just go for kills. If they had a game mode were going for kills was the goal more people can go just for kills like they want and avoid Objective modes. so people who want to do that dont get screwed with people who only want kills. So far you have to hope randoms actually wanna do the goal it would be so much easier if it was just going for kills cause they mostly go for those anyway. So far the finals feels like it wants to be diffrent but somehow is also a game that needs that mode it feels more designed for that then the Objective based modes. Its a game about chaos and being a star going for hype but it's released a mode that lowers the chaos and mayhem on purpose. Its like it both wants to be a call of duty highlight reel shooter and be counter strike high tactics game. Thesr can co exist but why not embrace TDM and just let both types of players enjoy the game. I play and the game feels like if you dont have freinds screw you and if you just wanted kills your not usefull. Atleast in a tdm or free for all i dont have to hope my team actually plays Objectives and can just let them run around going for kills without thinking wow i wasted all that time and my team is no where and lost the game for us cause there going for kills.(these shouldn't be temporary or only a week just new game modes its annoying only lasting so little when it could just be left in instead. Not fun seeing my fav game mode removed cause it was just for fun and not really part of the game. They had a free for all solo mode forever ago and it was a temporary event. Its just lame losing something that dhould already be apart of the game most shooters back when i was younger had TDM and now its like a taboo in shooters nowadays for bo reason. I rarely see a new shooter that also has TDM & FFA like there somehow a bad thing and even see people say not to add that but why. This game is basically meant for that but always trying to not be it seems like it screws the balance and fun for people like me who want to go for kills and not hope my team actually carries the weight so im not getting destroyed by the team actually playing the real game. Atleast make it a option cause Objective based shooters all suck when you dont have freinds to join to me thats fact cause randoms can never reliably be a coordinated team on these games and these games are win or lose based on team coordination. )
Well ranked is just one mode in The Finals, every other mode is absolutely geared towards a casual audience and that's why those other modes like Quick Cash, Power Shift, Bank it and WT are so fun. The game doesn't NEED to be competitive, HOWEVER a competitive esports scene (just like Twitch Rivals) can help games grow and reach more people. There's no harm in having some competitive modes on the side.
I don’t think people make negative videos ONLY. This video's message the entire time has been that ranked has problems and that the temporary fixes are not perfect, But we have to trust Embark's process on improving Ranked modes. I tried to keep this video mostly positive just talking about what both modes do good and bad.
“Unfair aspects” “3rd parties” Have you seen apex legends… It works it’s just a skill issue. Modern gamers as soon as they face a challenge fold so hard.. *edit* Got through the video, as a ext500 overwatch player, a very solid player in apex, and have a more than a few hundred hours in the finals, TA replacing ranked was a terrible idea should had been its own mode for its own rewards, world tour gets boring since if you lose nothing is lost, 3rd partying will be apart of any game where multiple teams are playing against each other, there will always be a skill gap because we are humans and prone to errors even high level play such as twitch rivals, we had a stack of apex pros with some more fresh then others putting up a huge fight against the “stacked” team. Trying to fix a fundamental issue with games like this is not possible it’s just the way the game was designed and if they push too hard they’ll just lose their identity and it’ll either become a team deathmatch simulator or we’ll have maps like Kyoto that spawn you so far from anything that you can’t retake or with sacrificing all of your utility for movement abilities losing out on destructive capabilities or extra damage in your kit making up for you only having one weapon and so on. People just need to get better, you have a hobby? Why not improve instead of expecting everyone to make “easy mode the game” for you.
I'm afraid Embark will listen to the casual community that just doesn't understand the game and make massive changes to Cashout that will strip everything we love from The Finals. Third partying is part of the game, and macro is a part of the game that you have to understand and use in your favor, but unskilled players will always blame bad luck when it's just them taking engagements that they shouldn't take. I don't want The Finals to become press W and shoot people simulator. I like the finals being a little bit more complex than that, and allowing for more diversity in strategy.
I’m glad to see more Apex people trying The Finals, I played Apex for years and managed to always squeeze into plat before that I was a huge overwatch 1 guy, always played ranked. I’m not trying to come across like I know EXACTLY what is best for The Finals, I’m the furthest thing from a good game developer, especially a competitive one. Though a lot of your points here are solid and agree with, I just see so much friction and conflict about TA vs. Cashout I understand WHY people loved Cashout me included. I just wanted to bring up why Embark made such a decision and the pros and cons of both. I'd like to see a return of a reworked Ranked Cashout this season if we are super lucky. Like it or not we gotta let 'em cook somthing up. 🧑🍳
I don't know if I'd say people understand teamwork in power shift. It's just become the mode everyone uses for their challenges. And some people seem absolutely oblivious to the idea that they need to get on the platform
I feel like once the one minute warning comes up people start pub pushing and swap over to more competitive weapons and gadgets, but I don't disagree powershift is the go to challenge grind mode. 😎
A lot of people do just go for kills and not even consider platform control.
@@whwhwhhwhhhwhdldkjdsnsjsks6544 They are people who mixing it also fighting with the platform control. I found that very tactical and usefull with a good the teammates.
That’s just you because you don’t play with a team
Tbf, if youre a light class, and get on the platform, you’ll just die. It’s only needed for that class for clutch plays. Two or three are enough in the platform. Lights and some mediums are best for protecting the platform out of it
On a side note, it’s crazy how a previous season soundtrack feels nostalgic already… that S2 background music hits
are you kidding me it is season 1
@@slappyjo1046 the music at the end is S2
like season 2 soundtrack was okay but season one which is the one being used is way better
@@slappyjo1046 I LOVE S1 music, that said I’m talking about the one used around 8:45, which is S2, called “floating bits” in the OST
@@slappyjo1046and FYI, the music used early on, like around 2:25, is S3
I think a small fix to third partying is to make it so you slowly gain points while in control of the cashout, and initiating and having it when it ends gives you bursts of points aswell, this encourages people to not camp to the end of the cashout and then rush and steal it.
nah, then it won't be "The Finals" like - did you ever still at the last seconds? It's the best feeling of the game... like you scream with your team and everything - but like - those slow captures will make it - idk... sheet?)) There is plenty of solution - like - make it longer for everyone next to still?? orr block cashout for 2-3 teams who touch it?
Like - all of this need to be somehow tested and developed to the finals product... I hope one day we would got Best of the Best rank mode... I belive...(if game won't die in next 2 seasons)
@@whitewhalowhy not just make it so there is only one vault at a time, and one cash out a time?
@@MrGerbil_ so you want to fix 3rd party by forcing the 4 teams on the same obj? That makes no sense.
@@MrGerbil_ you mean - 4 team for 1 cashout?? mmm... would be not a funny party there
@@m.poppins4843 the problem is the imbalance; one team frequently gets to camp on a cash out that no one else is contesting. Third partying is the fun/intense part, so, yeah, one cash out at a time fixes the random/luck problem.
TA doesn't work because 5 ppl run to one obj and 2 or 3 enemies will be there to defend a unfair fight. The damage 5 enemies can do to 2 or 3 enemies makes it always unbalanced. In games like csgo and r6 you have 1 shot mechanics which balance the 5 vs 2 aspects and makes it more skill based. Yes you can ace a 5 man in the finals but it's highly unlikely especially if they are a stack. I don't think TA will ever be a good mode for the finals unless they change damage on head shots. Even then I'm not sure if anyone would want to play it because cash out is quick wins and ta takes 7 wins just to get 1 win on your stats. For that reason alone I haven't touched ta and never will.
I do disagree with the implication that many shooters having similarities to terminal attack made it somewhat redundant - terminal attack still makes full use of the large, destructible maps, which so many competitors just lack. It still has many of the good traits about the finals, such as the range of classes, specialisations and gadgets which imo are a lot better here than most games I’ve seen.
1000%
Nah. Thise things dont just fit together. R6s has better destruction for competitive and cs has just better 5v5.
THANK YOU. Everyone begs for them to remove ranked TA but cashout is so busted and unfair that it isnt competitive
Great vid! Keep up the good work!
I’m coming from competitive Overwatch and Apex and only started playing The Finals a month ago. I have played every game mode maybe 40-50 times, but Terminal Attack is my favorite one by far. It’s less random than other game modes, and I feel more in control there. I also kind of disagree with many CZcamsrs saying that if people want to play something like Terminal Attack, they're better off with CS2 or Valorant. It's not even close. Neither of the two have a similar tempo to The Finals, which I absolutely love.
Thanks bud, glad to hear you enjoyed the video! It's awesome to hear that someone who also came from competitive Apex enjoys The Finals, there really isn't another game like it out there.😎
I just wanted to present what both cashout and terminal attack do well in a competitive setting. Neither mode is perfect but Embark is moving in the right direction for a more competitive mode for ranked.
I actually really like the casual version of TA, but not the ranked version
Facts
I have to disagree with what you said when you said, "If people wanted to play a slower paced, more tactical game, they would simply play Counterstrike, it is free to play or they would play Valorant, it's free to play and it gives them that specific game mode." - I want that game mode, but I hate the movement and gun mechanics in both of those games. It's slow and boring. I want the movement, controls and feeling of the gunplay from the Finals in a strategic mode like Terminal Attack.
Back before Terminal Attack ever existed, my favorite way to play The Finals was in the last round of Ranked Tournament where it was just two teams, 3v3, it felt so much more controlled and methodical, everything actually felt like it required thought and wasn't just a chaotic mess. To me, that was the best way to play and Terminal Attack kind of just gave me more of that.
I need a rush or domination game mode
well cashout is basically domination with some extra flavoring
honestly they could've gone with powershift for ranked instead of TA
I think that would be interesting but sometimes Power Shift turns into a steamroll if your team's opening is hyper aggressive and coordinated, but I’d still love to see full lobbies of diamonds try it.
I think another massive proble in my opinion is that new players are now shown that the finals main mode is terminal attack. As a causal player, wt feels exactly like the old ranked except new players have no idea and say wt dosnt feel like the finals
My biggest gripe with ranked TA is that it completely nullifies the medium class by removing heal beam and defibrilator. As a medium main and rank grinder what am I supposed to do? Play a class I don't feel comfortable with? If they just brought back recon senses for medium it would at least still be usable.
I'm personally best with mediums weapons and kit, while other class can out dps me sometimes the turret and dematerializer are super powerful. Plus you can never go wrong with mines and grenades, medium can become an extra gun in a team fight with more powerful team shots without having to worry about healing. At least that's what I’ve found. 👍
Didnt really have tough time with 3rd partying. Healing beam and mines help a ton. Mines get you free kill or a safe zone to retreat to and healing beam will just keep your team topped off. On top of that you kust need good positioning. Defending was way easier than attacking imo.
My friend finally tried Finals and he said that he didn't like cashout because of third partys 😐 Hope they find a way to balance that.
as a heavy main, this competitive season has been pure hell.
every other team i get and am up against is L L L L H (me the H) and im Vs L L M L L.
its all just light, endless invis, insane movement speed, and the damage is extrmeely high. hooking someone leaves me still at a disadvantage because they most of the time just dash away and are gone. or just can sit waiting for the final obj because light.
its really painful, but i still am on heavy moving through gold.
I got Diamond rank in season 1, this season I just gave up, Terminal attack is a shitty mode, I want to play The Finals, not CS or Valorant
@@justamandd the finals is more than just the rules of the game. It the maps, gadgets, weapons, specializations, and destruction.
Not here to defend or attack TA. Just here to challenge what The Finals is.
in cashout timing and positioning is key to avoid getting 3rd partied as the 2nd team (attacking a cashout in progress), I just fight the 3rd team and dump util on team 1 (defenders of cashout). Cashout is just a new game mode, and powershift/TA is just so unaspiring and done-out by other games. Embark just needs to stick with what makes them unique, because people will play a game just for on mode/style of mode.
Yeah these calculations are a huge part of the game and account for a lot of the "luck" most people get frustrated by, Unfortunately it's not well known/understood outside of the higher ranks yet from what I've seen.
@@THEscurgeX A lot of games have focused on decreasing the skill gap between people who have taken the time to learn things like positioning and timing. I spent a good chunk of time learning and implementing these to go from bronze to diamond, thats why it is a competitive mode and if you want to climb the ladder you can always learn.
New mode ideas.
Futebol: in the practice arena is that wall where you can try throwing the cube through different holes. That got me thinking how fun it would be to have a football style game mode.
- Two teams battling over one cube, trying to snag it and throw it into one of the holes on the other team’s wall to score points.
- I’m thinking 6v6: GK Heavy, Two Medium midfielders, 3 light attackers.
- shorter respawn timer so kills grant an advantage but not a guaranteed goal, squad wipe would be a guaranteed goal though. So, maybe no respawn timer so the focus is always on out playing the other team and not just going for squad wipes. Idk.
- It could be done by using smaller sections of the maps or just make one custom small map for that and maybe a free for all melee only tag mode.
Other ideas:
1. Free for all tag/monkey in the middle
2. Melee only mode
3. Hide and seek: with destructible environments and cloak grenades this would be a fun mode.
Any other ideas?
As somebody with 50+ hours in TA ranked so far I think the real issue is the fact that its only two teams so one is losing and one is winning. Where in cashout you could just carry two other teammates past first round so that you don't lose any in TA if you have a bad team you lose.
exactly what i was thinking, it was forgiving with bad teammates compared to TA
TA should take a page from S&D and use one point to decrypt
Also they could expand on the destroy part since this is a core mechanic of the game. Dont really know what a good way to implement the idea but there’s something here I think
Whenever I hear somebody say third partying is "blind luck" it's clear we have a large skill issue.
The best players in the game are extremely good at macro, and know when to go in, when to back out and let the "third partying" team fight the second party. I get that it's way simpler if a game is just "see enemy? go kill them", but The Finals is a little more complicated than that.
Third partying is not an issue, the issue the game has is that you can press tab, and see exactly who is the harder to beat enemy, and avoid them, and can also press tab, see who is struggling, and go fight them.
You should not be able to see updated combat scores and K/Ds until the game ends. You should have to do actual scouting and recon to figure out what's happening on the other side of the map, not just sit in a corner pressing tab.
The main reason third partying happens so often is exactly this, the fact that the team that isn't getting attacked, will always know exactly what is happening on the other side of the map, and will always know when an enemy team might come to fight them.
Third partying itself is not an issue, we've seen other games like Apex that have third partying still thrive as a competitive game, and removing third partying would dumb down the game into something I'm not interested in playing.
The spawns could maybe be adjusted to lower the chance of being spawned next to a cashout that already has 2 teams on it, but besides that, the state of third partying is fine. You just need to get better at being calm, calculated, and not having escape paths thought out before you get swarmed with enemies.
I think a 5v5 cashout tournament style would be a good option. definitely needs some rules like gadget limits so we dont get 5 defib meds but it has potential
Reading between the lines, I believe they’re going to be using the lessons learned from WT (which will later have limited loadouts and other variants) to continue to tweak cashout for a competitive experience. So I don’t expect to see ranked cashout back for S3. I don’t mind, since it felt like S2 and S1 went by so quickly… and I like pretty much every mode except the ranked version of TA (unranked is fun imo)
Whatever Embark does next for ranked in the next season, you bet I'm excited for it. 😎
This is such high quality content for the amount of viewers
They really need to fix the aiming in the system because other shooters like Apex extempliance Rogue company even call of duty have never had inconsistency like I do in this game
Skill issue tbh
@@Jerio106 can you not read English? I play other shooters. Fhag-guette
Is this a BR? This game looks like a flashy mobile game. Hurts my eyes.
@@Jerio106 Do you not understand English? Is English not your first language? I play other shooters. Please go back to the 5th grade
Keep 3rd partying strategy valid. We've had enough of all-aim-no-brain first person shooter already.
I really would like to see how the game would play if it was 4v4 instead or 3v3v3v3 and also if tournaments didn't have coins. The most frustrating part of tournaments is that there is no incentive to unlock the vault and start the cashout, your team risks get wiped which is a huge punishment but the only benefit is the small amount of money it gives you for opening and inserting the vault.
I think we could get some interesting limited time modes from Embark just experimenting with things like that.
I agree that the fact nobody except those willing to get third partied will open and start cashouts is annoying. The money earned won't compensate for losing the cashout or create a buffer for getting teamwiped because of it. At most it won me games I should have lost by $1000 by opening vaults or starting a cash out and not letting the two lower teams steal it.
Modified Powershift might be a good ranked competitive mode. I'm thinking 4 teams (3 people each unless the servers can handle 4 teams of 5) 2 platforms, Platforms only move forward and have longer tracks, holding a platform gains money for your team with a good bonus for holding it at the end of the track(bonus should be enough for underdogs to win without being so much that theres no point in taking the platform until the end), only 1 team can go onto the next round (it may be a good idea to third party but you know you're letting one team keep a platform so if you cant get the other one fast enough then you will be behind unless they wipe later.) Platforms over cashout, more dynamic, more combat, no chasing lights across the map because both enemy teams are ahead and they can just take the cash boxes and play keep away for the last minute, and noone spends half the game sitting in a corner watching a circle fill up because the other teams know they cant just ignore you and accept second place. Thoughts? Would the chaos of constant action make this less or more competitive?
I really like TA. Way more than cash out. Cash out is too random. Too dependant on luck and timing.
I have to agree, terminal attack doesnt make sense. Im new and coming in seasone 3, i didnt even know cashout is the default, i just thought oh another search and destrto type of games, then wehn i got to the inventory and look at the options of weapons and gadgets.. it simply doesnt make sens what the game allow you and doesnt allow you to play with. Later on i realized cashout was what the finals was centered around
Yeah they really dropped the ball forcing people to play Terminal Attack, it really hurt the other modes and probably hurt the growth of the game at the start of the season. 😔
Ive given up on trying to solo queue, 90% of randoms are braindead. thats probably why new players have such a hard time getting into it
I think the reason so many randoms are braindead is because the game has quit a few mechanics for little Timmy to comprehend and make use of, though that is mostly a skill issue.
What about res tokens in terminal attack? And allowing abilities to regenerate
This dude spent 10 minutes talking way over my head as far as competitive this and game mechanics that. The only part I understood was hard stuck Gold, because, same 😞 I just enjoyed listening to his voice, so here we are at the end of the video 😎
Whether or not you understood my mad rambling, I’m glad the only part you got out of this was me being hard stuck gold. 🤣 Glad the video kept you entertained.
I have been playing the finals since B0 so I have seen every update and s3 is the WORST so far don’t get me wrong Kyoto looks beautiful but why did they add 2 MELEE weapons (worst decision) and also a bow but I’m having a time deciding wether Kyoto is worse or Vegas is but the only problems with Kyoto is that it’s way to open cause we will always get lights going to the highest buildings and sniping because their KD ratio is better and should win the game but it’s also far to destructible If they wanna fix tournament “world tour” i have suggested that they not only fix spawn locations but also add barriers to each cashout they are ~ 90m big and you can leave this area whenever you want you just cannot shot INTO it how this barriers would fully work is that each cashout runs ~2min when a team dies the process is paused so the players can get 3-4 chances and it starts up when another team enters these barriers this would absolutely delete 3rd party but while giving you a choice as to what team you wanna fight if a third team tries to enter this barrier they will just be locked out and forced to go after that 2nd cashout OR they can wait for the other team to die for those barriers to drop so this will force a decision that if you wipe a team you can either go for cash out but risk for the 3rd team arrive before you revive a tm8 or vice versa
I think all they might need to do is add a third cashbox to chase after instead of 2 when the game begins. but keep it to 2 stations
I've always wondered why they don't try a 5v5 cashout. Only 2 teams, no third partying. Bigger team to involve more strategies (5 rpgs go boom) ... plus they can keep the same tournament format.
Bank it is my favorite mode
La clase ligera en este modo esta muy muy fuerte.. viejo apenas inicia la partida y ya te pegaron la mitad de vida con francotirador para que te rematen en .5 segundos despues, te quitan 1000 - 1200 puntos por perder aun que seas el mejor y ganas 300 por partida.. no me motiva.
-2do punto, si 1-2 jugadores abandonan en media partida, no importa, te quitan 1000 puntos igual
My frames head south when i play Kyoto 😂
It's a crazy graphically demanding map I've dropped below 40fps when some buildings collapse. 😭
I hope they can wait for the next 3 months but that’s all the way September . Recent patches have been minimal, hope that only means that they’re working on something big
There is that “THE FINALS” mode locked in World Tour, it could be what we are waitting for.👀
@@specialservice wouldnt get my hopes too high, imo it just looks like a 1v1 mode like the final round.
I just want a team death match or free for all mode. Atleast free for all we used to have it.
They tried the solo Bank It mode which I really enjoyed as a LTM and would like to see come back for a week, if you want TDM just play around the platform of Power Shift. It's incredibly fun.👍
@specialservice but its not the goal. if team death match is added people who just focus kills can still benefit the score instead of just ingoring the primary goal. Objective based modes kinda make killing less helpful by default. It's always better to play Objective focused instead of kill focused.
This game has no mode were killing is a good focus except terminal attack which seems more in spite of it then intentionally done. If it had a team death match or free for all i think more people would play to. A common thing i hear in this game is i just go for kills. If they had a game mode were going for kills was the goal more people can go just for kills like they want and avoid Objective modes. so people who want to do that dont get screwed with people who only want kills.
So far you have to hope randoms actually wanna do the goal it would be so much easier if it was just going for kills cause they mostly go for those anyway.
So far the finals feels like it wants to be diffrent but somehow is also a game that needs that mode it feels more designed for that then the Objective based modes. Its a game about chaos and being a star going for hype but it's released a mode that lowers the chaos and mayhem on purpose.
Its like it both wants to be a call of duty highlight reel shooter and be counter strike high tactics game. Thesr can co exist but why not embrace TDM and just let both types of players enjoy the game. I play and the game feels like if you dont have freinds screw you and if you just wanted kills your not usefull.
Atleast in a tdm or free for all i dont have to hope my team actually plays Objectives and can just let them run around going for kills without thinking wow i wasted all that time and my team is no where and lost the game for us cause there going for kills.(these shouldn't be temporary or only a week just new game modes its annoying only lasting so little when it could just be left in instead. Not fun seeing my fav game mode removed cause it was just for fun and not really part of the game.
They had a free for all solo mode forever ago and it was a temporary event. Its just lame losing something that dhould already be apart of the game most shooters back when i was younger had TDM and now its like a taboo in shooters nowadays for bo reason.
I rarely see a new shooter that also has TDM & FFA like there somehow a bad thing and even see people say not to add that but why.
This game is basically meant for that but always trying to not be it seems like it screws the balance and fun for people like me who want to go for kills and not hope my team actually carries the weight so im not getting destroyed by the team actually playing the real game.
Atleast make it a option cause Objective based shooters all suck when you dont have freinds to join to me thats fact cause randoms can never reliably be a coordinated team on these games and these games are win or lose based on team coordination. )
I love terminal attack
guys i think this guy might be right
Great video. and i agree on all points. I don't even touch terminal cause i would much rather just play siege if that is the case.
Terminal attack would be better if the areas were smaller with transparent walls and revives. 🤔
They still have world tour with cash out
Why does this game need to be competitive, why force it into a box that can clearly be seen it was not meant to be put in
because players want to be able to show their skill and use it for fame and money
Well ranked is just one mode in The Finals, every other mode is absolutely geared towards a casual audience and that's why those other modes like Quick Cash, Power Shift, Bank it and WT are so fun. The game doesn't NEED to be competitive, HOWEVER a competitive esports scene (just like Twitch Rivals) can help games grow and reach more people. There's no harm in having some competitive modes on the side.
Uhh because it’s called THE FINALS?
Cos we don’t wanna deal with the sweatyyyy teenagers.. lettem compete and give the casual gamers some breathing room
(no one plays goo granade or flash bag i see)
😭everybody in the finals are sweats
Can’t get a simple game
Turn on crossplay and watch the skill level drop, you'll have some of the most one sided games of all time. 🤣
@@specialservice yesss my cross play is on
Maybe 5 v 5 Cashout.
Dropped the game after they made the light class useless.
Make 3v3v3v3v3v3 :P
good take
Like BR
So true bestie~
Problem is that youtubers make negetive videos about the game every single day
I don’t think people make negative videos ONLY. This video's message the entire time has been that ranked has problems and that the temporary fixes are not perfect, But we have to trust Embark's process on improving Ranked modes. I tried to keep this video mostly positive just talking about what both modes do good and bad.
“Unfair aspects” “3rd parties”
Have you seen apex legends…
It works it’s just a skill issue.
Modern gamers as soon as they face a challenge fold so hard..
*edit*
Got through the video, as a ext500 overwatch player, a very solid player in apex, and have a more than a few hundred hours in the finals, TA replacing ranked was a terrible idea should had been its own mode for its own rewards, world tour gets boring since if you lose nothing is lost, 3rd partying will be apart of any game where multiple teams are playing against each other, there will always be a skill gap because we are humans and prone to errors even high level play such as twitch rivals, we had a stack of apex pros with some more fresh then others putting up a huge fight against the “stacked” team.
Trying to fix a fundamental issue with games like this is not possible it’s just the way the game was designed and if they push too hard they’ll just lose their identity and it’ll either become a team deathmatch simulator or we’ll have maps like Kyoto that spawn you so far from anything that you can’t retake or with sacrificing all of your utility for movement abilities losing out on destructive capabilities or extra damage in your kit making up for you only having one weapon and so on.
People just need to get better, you have a hobby? Why not improve instead of expecting everyone to make “easy mode the game” for you.
I'm afraid Embark will listen to the casual community that just doesn't understand the game and make massive changes to Cashout that will strip everything we love from The Finals.
Third partying is part of the game, and macro is a part of the game that you have to understand and use in your favor, but unskilled players will always blame bad luck when it's just them taking engagements that they shouldn't take.
I don't want The Finals to become press W and shoot people simulator. I like the finals being a little bit more complex than that, and allowing for more diversity in strategy.
@@mariusiurea this is exactly what happened to ow2, and i'm still reeling from that.
I’m glad to see more Apex people trying The Finals, I played Apex for years and managed to always squeeze into plat before that I was a huge overwatch 1 guy, always played ranked.
I’m not trying to come across like I know EXACTLY what is best for The Finals, I’m the furthest thing from a good game developer, especially a competitive one. Though a lot of your points here are solid and agree with, I just see so much friction and conflict about TA vs. Cashout I understand WHY people loved Cashout me included. I just wanted to bring up why Embark made such a decision and the pros and cons of both. I'd like to see a return of a reworked Ranked Cashout this season if we are super lucky. Like it or not we gotta let 'em cook somthing up. 🧑🍳