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I remember during season 1 or 2 a competitive TF discord was holding 3v3 scrims which were pretty cool. Maybe that’s the best format for the game. Another suggestion is adding class locks aka every team will be 1 M/H/L to remove broken comps like H/M/H

(no one plays goo granade or flash bag i see)

Maybe 5 v 5 Cashout.

guys i think this guy might be right

There is none stfu

I have to agree, terminal attack doesnt make sense. Im new and coming in seasone 3, i didnt even know cashout is the default, i just thought oh another search and destrto type of games, then wehn i got to the inventory and look at the options of weapons and gadgets.. it simply doesnt make sens what the game allow you and doesnt allow you to play with. Later on i realized cashout was what the finals was centered around

Like BR

good take

I love terminal attack

I think a 5v5 cashout tournament style would be a good option. definitely needs some rules like gadget limits so we dont get 5 defib meds but it has potential

They still have world tour with cash out

Dropped the game after they made the light class useless.

😭everybody in the finals are sweats Can’t get a simple game

I've always wondered why they don't try a 5v5 cashout. Only 2 teams, no third partying. Bigger team to involve more strategies (5 rpgs go boom) ... plus they can keep the same tournament format.

Whenever I hear somebody say third partying is "blind luck" it's clear we have a large skill issue. The best players in the game are extremely good at macro, and know when to go in, when to back out and let the "third partying" team fight the second party. I get that it's way simpler if a game is just "see enemy? go kill them", but The Finals is a little more complicated than that. Third partying is not an issue, the issue the game has is that you can press tab, and see exactly who is the harder to beat enemy, and avoid them, and can also press tab, see who is struggling, and go fight them. You should not be able to see updated combat scores and K/Ds until the game ends. You should have to do actual scouting and recon to figure out what's happening on the other side of the map, not just sit in a corner pressing tab. The main reason third partying happens so often is exactly this, the fact that the team that isn't getting attacked, will always know exactly what is happening on the other side of the map, and will always know when an enemy team might come to fight them. Third partying itself is not an issue, we've seen other games like Apex that have third partying still thrive as a competitive game, and removing third partying would dumb down the game into something I'm not interested in playing. The spawns could maybe be adjusted to lower the chance of being spawned next to a cashout that already has 2 teams on it, but besides that, the state of third partying is fine. You just need to get better at being calm, calculated, and not having escape paths thought out before you get swarmed with enemies.

Terminal attack would be better if the areas were smaller with transparent walls and revives. 🤔

My friend finally tried Finals and he said that he didn't like cashout because of third partys 😐 Hope they find a way to balance that.

Make 3v3v3v3v3v3 :P

What about res tokens in terminal attack? And allowing abilities to regenerate

La clase ligera en este modo esta muy muy fuerte.. viejo apenas inicia la partida y ya te pegaron la mitad de vida con francotirador para que te rematen en .5 segundos despues, te quitan 1000 - 1200 puntos por perder aun que seas el mejor y ganas 300 por partida.. no me motiva. -2do punto, si 1-2 jugadores abandonan en media partida, no importa, te quitan 1000 puntos igual

I think all they might need to do is add a third cashbox to chase after instead of 2 when the game begins. but keep it to 2 stations

This dude spent 10 minutes talking way over my head as far as competitive this and game mechanics that. The only part I understood was hard stuck Gold, because, same 😞 I just enjoyed listening to his voice, so here we are at the end of the video 😎

Problem is that youtubers make negetive videos about the game every single day

as a heavy main, this competitive season has been pure hell. every other team i get and am up against is L L L L H (me the H) and im Vs L L M L L. its all just light, endless invis, insane movement speed, and the damage is extrmeely high. hooking someone leaves me still at a disadvantage because they most of the time just dash away and are gone. or just can sit waiting for the final obj because light. its really painful, but i still am on heavy moving through gold.

Bank it is my favorite mode

New mode ideas. Futebol: in the practice arena is that wall where you can try throwing the cube through different holes. That got me thinking how fun it would be to have a football style game mode. - Two teams battling over one cube, trying to snag it and throw it into one of the holes on the other team’s wall to score points. - I’m thinking 6v6: GK Heavy, Two Medium midfielders, 3 light attackers. - shorter respawn timer so kills grant an advantage but not a guaranteed goal, squad wipe would be a guaranteed goal though. So, maybe no respawn timer so the focus is always on out playing the other team and not just going for squad wipes. Idk. - It could be done by using smaller sections of the maps or just make one custom small map for that and maybe a free for all melee only tag mode. Other ideas: 1. Free for all tag/monkey in the middle 2. Melee only mode 3. Hide and seek: with destructible environments and cloak grenades this would be a fun mode. Any other ideas?

TA should take a page from S&D and use one point to decrypt Also they could expand on the destroy part since this is a core mechanic of the game. Dont really know what a good way to implement the idea but there’s something here I think

Keep 3rd partying strategy valid. We've had enough of all-aim-no-brain first person shooter already.

“Unfair aspects” “3rd parties” Have you seen apex legends… It works it’s just a skill issue. Modern gamers as soon as they face a challenge fold so hard.. *edit* Got through the video, as a ext500 overwatch player, a very solid player in apex, and have a more than a few hundred hours in the finals, TA replacing ranked was a terrible idea should had been its own mode for its own rewards, world tour gets boring since if you lose nothing is lost, 3rd partying will be apart of any game where multiple teams are playing against each other, there will always be a skill gap because we are humans and prone to errors even high level play such as twitch rivals, we had a stack of apex pros with some more fresh then others putting up a huge fight against the “stacked” team. Trying to fix a fundamental issue with games like this is not possible it’s just the way the game was designed and if they push too hard they’ll just lose their identity and it’ll either become a team deathmatch simulator or we’ll have maps like Kyoto that spawn you so far from anything that you can’t retake or with sacrificing all of your utility for movement abilities losing out on destructive capabilities or extra damage in your kit making up for you only having one weapon and so on. People just need to get better, you have a hobby? Why not improve instead of expecting everyone to make “easy mode the game” for you.

My frames head south when i play Kyoto 😂

Modified Powershift might be a good ranked competitive mode. I'm thinking 4 teams (3 people each unless the servers can handle 4 teams of 5) 2 platforms, Platforms only move forward and have longer tracks, holding a platform gains money for your team with a good bonus for holding it at the end of the track(bonus should be enough for underdogs to win without being so much that theres no point in taking the platform until the end), only 1 team can go onto the next round (it may be a good idea to third party but you know you're letting one team keep a platform so if you cant get the other one fast enough then you will be behind unless they wipe later.) Platforms over cashout, more dynamic, more combat, no chasing lights across the map because both enemy teams are ahead and they can just take the cash boxes and play keep away for the last minute, and noone spends half the game sitting in a corner watching a circle fill up because the other teams know they cant just ignore you and accept second place. Thoughts? Would the chaos of constant action make this less or more competitive?

in cashout timing and positioning is key to avoid getting 3rd partied as the 2nd team (attacking a cashout in progress), I just fight the 3rd team and dump util on team 1 (defenders of cashout). Cashout is just a new game mode, and powershift/TA is just so unaspiring and done-out by other games. Embark just needs to stick with what makes them unique, because people will play a game just for on mode/style of mode.

I think another massive proble in my opinion is that new players are now shown that the finals main mode is terminal attack. As a causal player, wt feels exactly like the old ranked except new players have no idea and say wt dosnt feel like the finals

Ive given up on trying to solo queue, 90% of randoms are braindead. thats probably why new players have such a hard time getting into it

You mean the issue with competitive play is that the first people to do anything are punished and 3rd party’s are rewarded? woah who would have guessed that

This is such high quality content for the amount of viewers

They really need to fix the aiming in the system because other shooters like Apex extempliance Rogue company even call of duty have never had inconsistency like I do in this game

I have been playing the finals since B0 so I have seen every update and s3 is the WORST so far don’t get me wrong Kyoto looks beautiful but why did they add 2 MELEE weapons (worst decision) and also a bow but I’m having a time deciding wether Kyoto is worse or Vegas is but the only problems with Kyoto is that it’s way to open cause we will always get lights going to the highest buildings and sniping because their KD ratio is better and should win the game but it’s also far to destructible If they wanna fix tournament “world tour” i have suggested that they not only fix spawn locations but also add barriers to each cashout they are ~ 90m big and you can leave this area whenever you want you just cannot shot INTO it how this barriers would fully work is that each cashout runs ~2min when a team dies the process is paused so the players can get 3-4 chances and it starts up when another team enters these barriers this would absolutely delete 3rd party but while giving you a choice as to what team you wanna fight if a third team tries to enter this barrier they will just be locked out and forced to go after that 2nd cashout OR they can wait for the other team to die for those barriers to drop so this will force a decision that if you wipe a team you can either go for cash out but risk for the 3rd team arrive before you revive a tm8 or vice versa

I really like TA. Way more than cash out. Cash out is too random. Too dependant on luck and timing.

I hope they can wait for the next 3 months but that’s all the way September . Recent patches have been minimal, hope that only means that they’re working on something big

I have to disagree with what you said when you said, "If people wanted to play a slower paced, more tactical game, they would simply play Counterstrike, it is free to play or they would play Valorant, it's free to play and it gives them that specific game mode." - I want that game mode, but I hate the movement and gun mechanics in both of those games. It's slow and boring. I want the movement, controls and feeling of the gunplay from the Finals in a strategic mode like Terminal Attack. Back before Terminal Attack ever existed, my favorite way to play The Finals was in the last round of Ranked Tournament where it was just two teams, 3v3, it felt so much more controlled and methodical, everything actually felt like it required thought and wasn't just a chaotic mess. To me, that was the best way to play and Terminal Attack kind of just gave me more of that.

TA doesn't work because 5 ppl run to one obj and 2 or 3 enemies will be there to defend a unfair fight. The damage 5 enemies can do to 2 or 3 enemies makes it always unbalanced. In games like csgo and r6 you have 1 shot mechanics which balance the 5 vs 2 aspects and makes it more skill based. Yes you can ace a 5 man in the finals but it's highly unlikely especially if they are a stack. I don't think TA will ever be a good mode for the finals unless they change damage on head shots. Even then I'm not sure if anyone would want to play it because cash out is quick wins and ta takes 7 wins just to get 1 win on your stats. For that reason alone I haven't touched ta and never will.

Why does this game need to be competitive, why force it into a box that can clearly be seen it was not meant to be put in

I need a rush or domination game mode

Didnt really have tough time with 3rd partying. Healing beam and mines help a ton. Mines get you free kill or a safe zone to retreat to and healing beam will just keep your team topped off. On top of that you kust need good positioning. Defending was way easier than attacking imo.

As somebody with 50+ hours in TA ranked so far I think the real issue is the fact that its only two teams so one is losing and one is winning. Where in cashout you could just carry two other teammates past first round so that you don't lose any in TA if you have a bad team you lose.

I just want a team death match or free for all mode. Atleast free for all we used to have it.

I got Diamond rank in season 1, this season I just gave up, Terminal attack is a shitty mode, I want to play The Finals, not CS or Valorant

My biggest gripe with ranked TA is that it completely nullifies the medium class by removing heal beam and defibrilator. As a medium main and rank grinder what am I supposed to do? Play a class I don't feel comfortable with? If they just brought back recon senses for medium it would at least still be usable.

On a side note, it’s crazy how a previous season soundtrack feels nostalgic already… that S2 background music hits