What Happened to the American McGee's Alice Series?
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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2023
- There's a lot of Alice media out there it's one of the greatest tales ever told, everyone knows how it goes right?, each version of this classic tale is told with their own spin on it, well back in 2000 American Mcgee put his own twisted spin on it, releasing a game that then followed with a sequel 11 years later.
American McGee's Alice
The game's premise is based on the Lewis Carroll novels Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1865) and Through the Looking-Glass (1871), but presents a gloomy, cruel and violent version of the setting. The game centers on the novels' protagonist Alice, whose family is killed in a house fire years before the story of the game takes place. After several years of treatment in a psychiatric clinic, the emotionally traumatized Alice makes a mental retreat to Wonderland, which has been disfigured by her injured psyche.
Alice: Madness Returns
It follows Alice Liddell, a young woman suffering from trauma caused by the death of her family in a fire. Alice was discharged from a psychiatric clinic and now lives in an orphanage for mentally traumatized orphans under the care of Dr. Angus Bumby. To get rid of the trauma and learn the truth about her past, she once again falls into Wonderland, where a new evil force has corrupted it.
Alice: Otherlands
Animated sequel to Alice: Madness Returns. It is a series of two short films and artwork developed by Spicy Horse to help bring closure to the Alice series, which was envisioned as a trilogy by American McGee.
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Alice: Asylum
It was intended to be the finale of an Alice trilogy, and assumes the player has already experienced both American McGee's Alice and Madness Returns, both of which are vital to the story.
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Classic EA. We don't want the IP and we won't do anything with it, but we don't want you to have it either
Dead space ✊😔
@@Hdkxubwthey just made a reboot lol
@@anarche4900 That apparently didn't sell well.
@@uros.u.novakovic it sold like 2 million copies first week or month didn’t it that’s pretty good
@@anarche4900 Just a few days ago I was watching some YT videos about best/worst games of 2023 and DSR was mentioned and the CZcamsr said that sadly we won't get the remakes of the other 2 cause EA deemed DSR to be financially unsuccessful. I'll try to find the clip and link it in a follow up comment.
So, I was one of American McGee's Patrons while he was working on Asylum, meaning I got early access to all the art and story developments, and here's my take on why EA made this decision.
To my knowledge, EA actually approached American first, basically telling him that they'll give him the Alice IP if he could prove to them that he was capable of actually getting a game made. So, for six years, American and his team worked on the Alice Asylum design bible and presented it to EA.
I suspect that either EA had a regime change during the pre production of Asylum or, upon reading the design bible, EA execs realized that the Alice IP could be very profitable in the future and decided to hold onto it.
Wild, I appreciate the insight 🙏 thanks
Do you think some of it might have been because it felt like an ending…..in the end she defeats the true last human monster in her life and basically destroys the true evil in wonderland forever
@@billmcdermott9647Well I mean game studios do need to keep an IP as popular as this alive, the potential is through the roof.
@@billmcdermott9647Well, the first game already had an ending with Alice recovering and leaving the asylum.
@@jeremyreyes1817Same.
My favorite video games series of all time, EA saying no to Asylum still hurts! I will never understand the sheer stupidity EA showed rejecting another Alice.
I love this series so so damn much and I HATE EA for turning down the third game and the only way I’ll ever buy a game from them again is if they port Alice madness returns to switch
Or just port both games to Steam and Playstations and Xbox platforms. Not sure if Nintendo would be okay with letting a game that has an enemy literally called "Bitch Baby" on their platform, but I probably wouldn't hold my breath on it.
@@drakekondrat799 they’re pretty cool with things now as long as it gets a proper esrb rating it’s what ever lately they even have less censorship restrictions then PlayStation so I’m sure it’d be fine and I say bring it to EVERY platform if possible
Honestly I agree, I wish the games were remastered and that the 3rd game was made!
@@Mono_Entertainment Ik American McGee said he’d love to bring the past games to all modern platforms if it was up to him as well but damn EA….
@@RaxonXVI 😭
Every chapter was supposed to have a bossfigt in the end, and all but the Dollmaker got cut for time reasons.
Ch. 1 is probably the most well-known, the March Hare x Dormouse mech that we see falling apart in the cutscene was supposed to have a full-on boss battle, on an arena surrounded by lava, having to dodge the mech' attacks and occasionally firing on its weak center point.
Chapter 2 had the Mersquid (found in the menu under "characters"), which we don't really know much. It supposed to appear multiple times in the graveyard area and the crypst, stalking Alice with its chains hanging behind her, following silently. The fight was originally in place of the Colossal Ruin
Chapter 3 had the Samurai wasp queen in the end, at the hive section of the level. It controlled all wasps around, ruling over them and occasionally eating them too. She also has one image ingame under the characters menu.
Chapter 4's boss was the executioner. Originally, there was a wole fight planned to take place in the center of the labyrinth, and the cake only appearing after he's defeated.
And Chapter 5 should've had the Doll Boy, a bigger, stronger, faster and more dangerous variant of the Dollgirl enemies you find in the level. Its model is also in the characters menu. It was supposed to appear in place of the last Colossal Ruin in the end of the level.
This is so cool, where did you find this info? Is it in the Alice Madness game files somewhere? If so I never noticed it
I didn't know about Otherlands, neat! So sad Asylum is cancelled, we desperately need it (and nice that you didn't spoil the story for Madness returns)
Yeah it sucks we won't get it, and yeah I try not to spoil for those who haven't played it yet
I wish EA could’ve at least ported the first to games for Switch and other consoles that way more people can experience the games, but I guess they’re too stupid to do that.
Because they can't sell packs of Alice "cards" for you to "gamble" on
Yeah, it's frustrating that they couldn't just port Alice 1 for smartphone. The game is so old, that it could run easily on phones, and it's not like they have to make the game from scratch.
lol more like too greedy
The reason why the second game doesn't have boss fights is because they didn't have enough time or money. Also after you use the hobby horse and switch to the vorpal blade you can do like a double slash combo that does extra damage.
2011 was an *AWESOME* year in terms of games, music, movies, shows and just about *EVERYTHING* which can’t be said about the 2020s. 🙄
I wish another company would sign on McGee :(
Unfortunately EA happened and killed a really unique series and take on Lewis Carol’s character and world. Part of me is holding out hope that with the success of the Dead Space Remake (and seeing how successful Capcom has been with Resi lately) EA might see that there is a market for 3rd person action horror
I was really expecting Alice Asylum which is supposed to be the third game in the series to happen. Sadly, EA cancelled that according to American McGee. He made a video on his channel on youtube talking about it and basically moved on from the project. I think that he's still open to making this third game happen but that is if EA will stop being cold hearted fools about it. They could care less about this franchise but I'm glad that fans still care about it. That's why I like watching videos like this one still talk about the two Alice games that we got.
There is a small sliver of hope for the American mcgee's Alice IP with the tv show because as far as we know it didn't get canceled
I love both Alice games! It was heartbreaking to hear that Asylum won't be happening :( These games remind me of LoZ and I didn't play them until I got older. I was super into LBP2 at the time of amr's release since I was too young to play those games.
i'm so disappointed ... really ... this game is just a masterclass and with all the elements show here it could totally break the screen !! BUT NO. EA pissed up once again for literary NO REASON ... When Madness return comes out, the technology had been improved and even today it's still graphically beautiful, so imagine today's technologies with Unreal Engine 5 for example ! And this bible is so amazing when u look up all the details ... really we miss that type of game ... and because the sequel were part of the "big sales" they don't wanna lose if :x this is why i hate that kind of reflection. Spicy horse game do every thing to making this third game come back to life but just because one man have the power, every thing is throwing away ...
Preach!
I can feel you in Alice Madness Returns' lack of boss fight. During the hatter sequence when that giant robot came, I thought I was gonna fight it just for to robot to be destroyed by a teacup from nowhere.
There is one combo though for the Hobby Horse - Hobby Horse > Vorpal Blade > Vorpal Blade; she does a different animation.
American McGee’s Alice is *STILL* one of my favourite games of *ALL TIME!*
I think I heard something about the Team not having enough time to finish the Boss fights in MAdness returns, which is why there aren't any
That sucks
Which is crazy cause usually it takes like 10 minutes to get through the boss fights💀
@@lemon_p1ss978 Through _making_ them?
Yes, this is true, there were supposed to be boss fights but due to EA's time constraints they sadly had to be cut.
@@DefyReality-ll2cg same with why there were significantly less weapons in the second game.
I love American McGee's Alice, I even have a half sleeve inspired by it. I hope one day we get to return to Wonderland
11:41 That cutscene should have happened *AFTER* a boss fight!
The final ( or driving motivation ) reason i start to study 3D was McGee's Alice. For me McGee's is amazing and i fell in love with his Alice.
With games like Lies of P and the future Wizard of Oz Souls, I'm sure they can get a partnership
11:37 Originally it was going to be a boss fight, with having to use the pepper grinder on the circle of the mech's chest, but due to time constraints it was cut
Never forget what they have taken from us
Oh man, blast from the past. I loved this game, even themed my MySpace (I know lol) with it.
i hoped for the madness returns gets a remastered as least. 😢
I honestly couldn’t have said that ending any better we need more creative minds making games it’s so dull with games that come out nowadays
this happens when the owner didn't ask or hire you to make a game , but you start making it anyway
This is what happens when creators and fans do something for the love of it, but the right owners don't give a sh*t.
Id love to see the american mcgees alice get a soulsbourne coat of paint! Give it the lies of P treatment. Could you imagine?
I can! The lies of P post credit scene did he me hyped tho
Havent thought about this game in a while. Thanks for unlocking old memories! Also nice, 4:3 ratio
The third one would've had some incredible looking boss fights 😔
I think they'll bring it back, someday.
Hope so but not without McGee
@@Ewaii26I think mcgee himself hes perfectly fine with someone else to pass the torch since although the game was his vision it was ultimately his team that brought it to life
I really really want to see a return to form for Alice, the original game's atmosphere and music just has this charm and horror factor that I felt was missing in the second game. Like you mentioned, something about the world in the first game wants to make you explore it more.
I couldn't agree more.
EA. EA happened
Genius series, killer graphics, such a shame to let this series go.
People always say its disappointing how egdy this game can be but its oddly realistic i first played the game when i was 16 and didn't really understand the story and again at 17 ( i was assaulted by two older boys) and i still never saw it for what it was. I knew something bad was happening but i never knew what it was until years after the fact. Alice is realistic like that in fact i don't think I've ever had a piece of media do so... right i suppose. It can take alot to wake you up from your bubble and into reality. Madness returns is a perfect and accurate depiction of SA.
Maybe in future we will actually see Asylum maybe Fanmade?
It was actually great and made me like madness returns by not having boss battles. 9/10 game worth putting down the DS.
I *LOVE* Alice Madness Returns! I love the music, the art style, the story, the gameplay, everything!
Great video and thanks for showing this great ip in this video
I’m subbing to your channel for your profile pic alone lol
16:04 I agree! 😢
I'm playing the sequel on ps3 in 2024 and love it
what do you mean? im still just replaying it every year and pretending im so happy i dont need to start my games on dos.
I feel like EA assumes they’ll keep making money off it and so keep it
Nice review! 👍
thanks!
I just heard that EA is done now
Definitely thought Madness Returns had pacing issues. Compare it to, say, Psychonauts 1 where, even if the main storyline slows down, each mind offers a pretty satisfying mini-arc.
While in Madness Returns you don't really get any narrative "satisfaction" until you meet the Red Queen. The lack of boss fights certainly doesn't help the matters. In Psychonauts, they were usually the climax of each mind. In MR, you just move on to the next level without accomplishing much in the grand scheme of things.
Psychonauts also handled the real world better. A bunch of memorable NPCs, some exploration, etc. The real world in MR is a couple of ultra-linear walking simulator segments. Quite a letdown.
Wait until they release Alisa on ps5
classic ea move....smh
Call me mean to even say this but I understand why EA didn't want a 3rd (maybe final) Alice game, because Madness Returns didn't sell that much. Yes the game had more videos and played more years later but it didn'tt had that big of a change the only videos I found of Alice don't go higher the 1 Millions views. But even after that I'm stll mad thatEA didn't let the franchise have the final bow.
This is the same thing i ask with Bioshock and Sly Cooper, what happened!!!
Yeah me too
@@Ewaii26 By the way ive been going through a disney Craze right, i still love the original Disney animation like the alice we saw in the movie. So Cute!!! The Best Alice adaptations to my opinion, American Mcgee and the original Disney are my favorites to be honest!
@@thepokemontrainer6094 of course
Maybe EA doesn't want to do an Alice game o games because for something like that you'd have to put actual effort into it.
American McGee is a *JERK* but he *is* a creative genius and EA *SUCKS!*
Disney ruined it. 😭
They bailed on alice ea gay but they rule with need for speed but juliets getting a remake y not alice u shouldn't need a messed up ip address just to place her in a sequel
Ea gay they shoulda stuck to NFS they ruined Alice noone deserves Alice our her ip but u know as well as I that ai can access all this including Alice and the ip the ai can just rebuild her and her world she's a hot lesbian she not dressed for u Alice shoulda been taught to remember not forget