Game Theory: The Curse is a LIE! (Edith Finch)

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  • čas přidán 2. 07. 2022
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    I've been asked to talk about What Remains of Edith Finch for years... and years... and YEARS. Well, the wait is over. I played the game over on GTLive and knew I needed to talk about the so-called "family curse". Is it real? Is it a lie? Today we are breaking down everything we know to figure out if the Finch family really is cursed... or is it maybe MURDER!
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Komentáře • 6 548

  • Arham Ijaz
    Arham Ijaz Před 5 měsíci +26492

    Now we wait for matpat to remember that he promised us a franbow theory all those years ago…

  • Pink Buninja
    Pink Buninja Před 4 měsíci +2721

    I’d just like to point out that Molly would have had to miss a lot of meals to die of hunger. Just skipping dinner won’t kill you. Also, for the potentially poisonous things she ate, the lethal dose is usually smaller for kids. If anything, everything she ate might have made her really sick, then no one went to help her when she was suffering. Still don’t know if that’d kill you, but y’know.

    • Grimslade Leviathan
      Grimslade Leviathan Před dnem

      I was never convinced of Molly's story. Eating some toothpaste and berries caused her death? Doesn't seem right

    • Mirjana Slijepcevic
      Mirjana Slijepcevic Před dnem

      I suspect she didn't just miss that ONE dinner.

    • Ruby Blue
      Ruby Blue Před 14 dny +3

      I could be wrong, but I feel like potentially harmful substances can be worse on an empty stomach? And her being so small would definitely affect how little it would take to do serious harm. To be honest, it’s weird that there were holly berries in her room at all, it could be that Edie purposely made her hungry, placed food items which could potentially harm her in her room (where is the gerbil, btw? And why are they putting food in a bowl with droppings in anyway? It’s not like they’re hard to tip out) in attempt to coerce her into eating them? It’s weird to have a lock on a child’s room, that and the window chain imply to me it was a regular occurrence to lock her in there with stuff that she could eat that could kill her, and if she’d done it before Molly might’ve been regularly eating the berries or poop-carrots, I feel like it might’ve been an intentional long game.

    • 16SoulFlux
      16SoulFlux Před 20 dny

      I think the starving to death thing is only coincidental. If you notice the window in Molly's room, it has a chain on it to prevent it opening all the way. I think Molly tried to climb out to find more food and fell to her death.

    • Taylor Anderson
      Taylor Anderson Před měsícem +1

      She doesn't care he doesn't care Edie doesn't care about that

  • Ella Epoche
    Ella Epoche Před 4 měsíci +2004

    Here's a theory about Walter: if you notice, every other Finch's room is related either to their interests or how they died. But while Walter's furniture is based around trains, his room is ocean themed. What if, instead of being hit by a train, he fell off the cliff (where the tracks collapsed) and drowned? And Edie crafted the story to focus on his love for trains instead?

    • Nobody
      Nobody Před 27 dny +5

      huh,i always thought that the train did in fact run next to the house at some point but the reason why the tracks are collapsed in the present day was because the land eroded due to storms and just weather and the tracks just collapsed into the ocean

    • M4A3E8 Sherman
      M4A3E8 Sherman Před měsícem

      waltuh

    • What have I created
      What have I created Před měsícem

      @Sebastian S. the lawyer is right guys

    • Tiffany Hughes
      Tiffany Hughes Před měsícem

      MR WHITE DROWNED I WANT MY

    • Porci Rain
      Porci Rain Před měsícem +22

      @audrice777 the shaking was never the train it was a supposed to be a visual way to show his fear that's why it stopped when he was thinking of leaving his shelter.

  • Rumor
    Rumor Před 4 měsíci +2902

    You never mentioned it, but it would definitely explain the shrines to each family member. Did you notice that even the way the shrines where discovered and talked about, they were presented in a way that made them feel more strange with each one you came across.
    Like when you start with Molly’s room, it’s presented in a way we’re you feel sympathy towards grandma Eddie, she lost her daughter when she was so young and kept her room as a preserved shrine to her, and makes Edith’s mom look very cold and unsympathetic. Like sealing all the doors to the bedrooms, so she can’t look at the shrines anymore. Then we come to the twins room, the surviving twin had to and I quote “share a room with his dead brother” even explaining how grandma roped off his half of the room and preserving it and your just like…ok. THEN finding that bed and the crib that serve as her moms brothers shrines and seeing the loft that served as her bedroom. Edith even stated that her mom “shared a room with her dead brothers” why would you do that!? The way her room was set up, she practically hid in her loft area and the rest of the HUGE bedroom was left empty around the two shrines because it felt like she was sharing a room with two graves. More room was made for the dead then the living in that house. They built unstable towers into makeshift bedrooms and school rooms instead of using the perfectly usable bedrooms and library. What’s so creepy is that every room preserved, the school room included, had so much love to it. It’s disturbing to think she loved them more when they were dead.

    • Taylor Anderson
      Taylor Anderson Před měsícem +3

      That surved her mom shared a room with her dead brothers why would you do that?!;;! The way room was bedroom's and library . what's so creepy disturbing to think she loved more when they were dead .

    • Taylor Anderson
      Taylor Anderson Před měsícem +2

      But it would definitely explain the shrines to each family member. Where discovered and talked about, they were presented in way that made them feel more strange with each one you come across. Like when Molly's room , its prested in a away were you fell sympathy twords grandma Eddie , she lost her daughter when she was so young and kept her room as a preserved shrine to her , and makes Edith's mom look very cold and unsympathetic . Like sealing all the doors to bedrooms , so she can't look shrines anymore . Then we came to the twins room, the surviving twin had to and i quote share a room with his dead bother even explaining how grandma roped off his helf of the room and preserving it and you just like ... Ok. than finding that bed and the crib that serve as her mom's bothers that served as her

    • Sandshew
      Sandshew Před měsícem +1

      @Saspharuss if they did then it could have been there from when the Grandma lived in the old house and they moved closer to it

    • Saspharuss
      Saspharuss Před měsícem +1

      Didn’t they build the family cemetery before the house too?

    • Sandshew
      Sandshew Před 2 měsíci +9

      @CosmosCookie agreed

  • 𝔖𝔢𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔷𝔞𝔷𝔞𝔢𝔩

    Joseph Anderson YT video from like 5 years ago said it best….Edie was the villain of the story, but not because she caused the deaths, but rather because she forced the family to be so comfortable with death, mortality, and the family “curse” that they fail to take basic precautions to ensure their safety….they were all doomed anyway, so why worry about it.

    • JRW
      JRW Před 10 dny +1

      @Taylor Anderson I think that last part was rhetorical.

    • Taylor Anderson
      Taylor Anderson Před měsícem +4

      You should worry you should worry about it.

    • Ivana Vojnić Tunić
      Ivana Vojnić Tunić Před 2 měsíci +8

      ⬆️⬆️⬆️

  • Unknown Variable
    Unknown Variable Před 5 měsíci +23032

    I remember seeing a theory about how historically many “family curses” were actually mental illness being passed down, I think that’s what this is about, many of them died because delusion or how they see the world

    • TJK-GO IX
      TJK-GO IX Před 10 hodinami

      Every bot that is here right now hates game theory

    • Boots Mecat
      Boots Mecat Před 7 dny

      There's also the idea that the curse could be generational trauma and an inability to cope with grief considering also every Finch death was centered around an inability to cope with someone else's death starting with Molly's.

    • Toca Tofee🐱🍒
      Toca Tofee🐱🍒 Před 22 dny

      Why is there so many bots here ?

    • Taylor Anderson
      Taylor Anderson Před měsícem +1

      For real life

    • Lizzy Shadows
      Lizzy Shadows Před měsícem

      legit all the women in my family have a slew of hereditary mental health disorders and before I or my mother was even aware of that, we used to joke that we were cursed thanks to some female ancestor 🤣 I mean mental illness is a curse more or less so I'd still say it applies.

  • Leia Brunell
    Leia Brunell Před 4 měsíci +1709

    I mean, going to bed without dinner for ONE night wouldn't have killed Molly; I've fallen asleep without dinner before and I'm still alive. But IS it only one night, or was this a recurring event? If Molly was routinely locked in her room without eating, she could've been very slowly starving due to prolonged malnourishment… If this was the case, then Great-Grandma Edie was even more neglectful than Matpat theorizes here…

    • scalien225
      scalien225 Před 12 dny +1

      Chains on the window and a room in much worse care than the rest. A room that is hidden behind a secret door.
      Unreliable narrator aside, the girl was kept as much a prisoner as the hamster.

    • Cynreius Acari
      Cynreius Acari Před 28 dny

      @Tokuijin I think there’s a disconnect between the amount of deaths the family experienced and potential child service protection options. Molly being the first child wouldn’t raise that many eyebrows that is why I was considering pica. The deaths of other family members so frequently would have raised eyebrows. Now, you claim “most” laws weren’t until after the 1950s. I’m going to need you to be more specific because that’s just a generalized statement. The sources I provided show early movement to address the issues and the potential for corruptive control by early government but that doesn’t mean the states did not have common measures in place to handle it. I would like to read your sources so I can further look into them.

    • Tokuijin
      Tokuijin Před 28 dny

      @Cynreius Acari Molly died in 1947. While CPS existed, they probably wouldn't remove her, had she been starved or not. As I've said, a lot of your child protection laws (as per abuse or neglect) didn't exist until after the 50s.

    • FeatheryBastard
      FeatheryBastard Před měsícem +2

      @Milk oh no, Edie is absolutely responsible I'm not blaming the child. I'm just arguing the cause if death

    • Milk
      Milk Před měsícem +1

      @FeatheryBastard even if she died from those things, that meant Edie left her young, hungry, daughter, in a room with poison, so she'd still be responsible

  • Janah Kirkpatrick
    Janah Kirkpatrick Před 4 měsíci +272

    personally, i think that Molly’s death was as result of her being sent to bed/ not being allowed to have meals for multiple days or even weeks. i think she had eaten the halloween candy in a last ditch effort to eat something a day or so previously, and when Edie found out she had gotten angry. during the different animals she switches through, it depicts her as being starved, and eating the different things that the animal she is, well is. and i can’t remember the exact line, but at the end after the sea monster climbs under her bed and molly is writing. she says something along the lines of “and i will be delicious” and i think that is alluding to her body literally eating itself from starvation. and all of the story’s she made up are from her starving and trying to trick herself into a happy place

    • Mikkel Sieburg
      Mikkel Sieburg Před 5 hodinami +2

      I want to support your idea by pionting out that the halloween candy i dicating that i looked in shotly after halloween, and as a cat when you jump on the trees you can look into the house and see a christmess tree and present. Indicating that she has been staving with little to no meals for almost 2 months. She also siad that she has considered eating her pet fish another sign of prolonged stavation.

    • Ruby Blue
      Ruby Blue Před 14 dny +5

      She could be hallucinating from starvation *or* from poisoning, tbh. Either could definitely cause a kid to have some weird thoughts/dreams

    • Fandom_Destoryer
      Fandom_Destoryer Před měsícem +15

      @CrazyMineGamer23 I saw someone point out that the empty Halloween basket was a sign of Molly being forced to eat candy because of how many meals she wasn't allowed. Otherwise I can't imagine why an *empty* Halloween basket would be in a child's bedroom instead of tucked away in a closet

    • CrazyMineGamer23
      CrazyMineGamer23 Před měsícem +26

      @Fandom_Destoryer Sounds like a mixture of poisoning and starvation. I’d be willing to bet the reason she died from all those things she ate was because of malnourishment. It made her weaker which meant she was at a higher risk of death from everything she ate than a normal, healthy 10 year old. Since it wasn’t treated as odd in anyway, it’s likely this was a common punishment for little Molly.

    • Fandom_Destoryer
      Fandom_Destoryer Před 2 měsíci +26

      I thought that the sea monster was Molly's mind trying to rationalize death. I'm pretty sure the holly berries slowly poisoned her

  • Dark Daemon
    Dark Daemon Před 4 měsíci +983

    Yes, Edie is a little obsessed with death, but the other deaths can easily be classified as mental illnesses, hallucination from other sources, and unfortunate accidents, the only mysteries are Barbara and Milton, I think the scream Walter heard was when Barbara got her ear cut off, A lot of the comic's story probably came from his interpretation of events, he was just a kid, and fear does a lot to a young child's imagination, including making him afraid of the rest of the world, which is why he isolated himself, the "packages" Edie brought to the basement were probably just cans of food.
    Edie still loved the attention obviously, but it was probably also a coping mechanism of losing her family while she gets to live through all that torture for 93 years, survivor's guilt is a thing after all, so of course she needs a coping mechanism.

    • XD Smile
      XD Smile Před 3 měsíci +8

      wow this game is honestly very mysterious and matpat is quite the theorist and often misses marks but also manages to get fnaf theories right.

    • Karin Kl.
      Karin Kl. Před 3 měsíci +44

      I have a theory about Milton: as you walk through the house, you always see that Milton has already been there (he made all the paintings). And he obviously knew the stories, because the paintings are always linked with how a person died (before you come to Calvins room there´s a swingset, Barbara: a pumpkin,...). I think he got scared and left. I mean he was just a kid, who discovered all these stories of tragic deaths. I believe he just wanted to escape the "curse" (simular to how Walter was hiding for the monsters).

    • Madness Poison
      Madness Poison Před 4 měsíci +58

      While she's most likely not responsible for later deaths, she could've been responsible for the first few and became obsessed with the fame.

  • Three G’s Gaming
    Three G’s Gaming Před 4 měsíci +292

    Matt didn't bring it up, but in Lewis's story he says that there was a "wise calico who advised him". When I first heard that, something rubbed me the wrong way. What if the "wise calico" was Edie with Molly's story or her cat ears, and the "advice" she gave him was either going off his meds or encouraging his fantasies, hence pushing him to his death? I seriously think the "wise calico" he mentioned is her.

    • Ashley Quinn
      Ashley Quinn Před 14 dny +1

      @Bragi Feyit is, you can see a huge cat with a molly name tag in his fantasy at that part

    • Bragi Fey
      Bragi Fey Před 3 měsíci +16

      I always thought it was Molly, the stray cat they adopted.

    • Nat
      Nat Před 3 měsíci +42

      I think the wise calico was Lewis’s therapist, who had unintentionally encouraged the daydreaming that ended up killing him

  • Arstotzkan Plague Doctor
    Arstotzkan Plague Doctor Před 5 měsíci +1193

    Matpat didn't even mention the baby, Gus or Lewis, and when you bring them into the equation it really does change things up, I would say this is game is more about neglect and not being able to deal with the consequences of it properly.

    • John Hein
      John Hein Před měsícem

      @IgKnighter Greg was Sam and his wife's baby. Dawn's son was Lewis.

    • IgKnighter
      IgKnighter Před 4 měsíci

      @Leela Flint yes I have learned the error of my ways

    • Leela Flint
      Leela Flint Před 4 měsíci

      @IgKnighter Kay's incompetance, not Dawn. Wrong mother.

    • IgKnighter
      IgKnighter Před 4 měsíci

      @bababababababa my bad

    • Charles Calthrop
      Charles Calthrop Před 4 měsíci +2

      @Thot Rot Ikr? Like this added nothing to the conversation.

  • Elisha Jones
    Elisha Jones Před 4 měsíci +376

    After playing through myself, I think the family suffers from an extremely devastating imagination. The majority of the deaths were related to believing fantasies were reality.
    Couple thoughts, Molly-hallucinating after poisoning herself with holly and the toothpaste (poisonous substance are weight based and what would kill a child is different than an adult). She doesn't hallucinate until after eating the toothpaste btw. Eating the toothpaste alone triggers the bird part.
    Edie seems to revel in the stories she can spread though, even if she knows they are fake (Moleman, Dragon). I will say that I thought it was an odd mention that she was painting Lewis' portrait (that is what she uses for the death shrines) BEFORE he was dead. If you look around in the library, you will also notice post it notes that are odd. One says "Odin", another says "the day you were born" like she was working on a concept for a story to tell Edith.

    • Firemac
      Firemac Před 8 dny +1

      You can skip eating the toothpaste. It's the berries that triggers the bird part.

    • Joey
      Joey Před 4 měsíci +23

      minor nitpick, the toothpaste doesn’t actually trigger the bird scene. i think eating anything in the bathroom does. i ended up here after watching ranboo play the game and he flat out refused to eat the toothpaste

    • Madness Poison
      Madness Poison Před 4 měsíci +26

      Well it's likely Edie isn't responsible for most of her family's deaths, but it is likely she's responsible for the first few, and became obsessed with the fame.

  • ItsDemolisha
    ItsDemolisha Před 4 měsíci +170

    The deaths that got to me was Calvin, Milton, Molly, and the baby. Calvin, Molly, and the baby because that was clear neglect. But Milton's disappearance was so obvious why it happened we break into the house so many times from so many entrances. And its so easy a pregnant woman can do it. He could have just been kidnapped.

    • Salty_the_salt
      Salty_the_salt Před 5 dny

      I hated Calvin's death, because I hate the thought of one twin dying without the other, also Calvin and his brother (I forgot his name) both died from falling off a cliff 😬

    • •Cheshire Eclipse•
      •Cheshire Eclipse• Před 2 měsíci +8

      @GabbyGabs This made me wheeze-

    • GabbyGabs
      GabbyGabs Před 2 měsíci +31

      @•Cheshire Eclipse• and he lived in the Pizzaplex as an animatronic boy brought to sentient life by the spirts of- wait….wrong Gregory…. My bad.

    • •Cheshire Eclipse•
      •Cheshire Eclipse• Před 3 měsíci +3

      The baby was named gregory i think

  • TheMysterfox8
    TheMysterfox8 Před 4 měsíci +308

    Personally,I always thought the curse was made up as a coping mechanism for all the familial trauma and death, leading to no action being taken to avoid more familial trauma and death. The supposed curse goes all the way back to the original Edith's dad.

  • Zack Morris Does Things
    Zack Morris Does Things Před 4 měsíci +163

    So, having played through the game again on stream myself, I do definitely think Edie embellished parts of her family's stories for profit. Several of the Finches are definitely unreliable narrators or otherwise seem implausible. But also, doing my own research, the developers have confirmed that Milton Finch is the main central character of their previous game The Unfinished Swan, as without spoiling it, he managed to live to a ripe old age, and implies that whatever it was he found in the house made him decide to go off the grid so his family couldn't find him.

    • Zack Morris Does Things
      Zack Morris Does Things Před 22 dny +7

      @QueenMarigold🎗👑 Somewhat. It's moreso he decided not to let the "curse" control his life, instead deciding to distance himself and continue pursuing art. The Unfinished Swan goes into more detail about the kind of life he lived after that.

    • QueenMarigold🎗👑
      QueenMarigold🎗👑 Před 23 dny +3

      So he basically became like Walter?

    • Fandom_Destoryer
      Fandom_Destoryer Před 2 měsíci +7

      I loved that game! I watched Stampy play it!

    • TyrannicalTeapott
      TyrannicalTeapott Před 2 měsíci

      I assume Milton was born after Barbara's death. If Edie really did kill her then the only explanation for her body was eaten is that maybe the authorities never found a body?
      It is possible Edie hid her body somewhere on the property as she wouldn't have been able to bury it in the grave without raising suspicions.
      It is possible through his own exploration Milton found her body hidden and was like "Nah fam seeya"

  • Kaylee_Dang_oop-_momo Yaoyorozu
    Kaylee_Dang_oop-_momo Yaoyorozu Před 4 měsíci +798

    For my theory about Barbra’s death,
    I think grandma Edie ate her. Her body was gone, and the “monsters” are her. If her brother is scared of a monster that turned out to be edie, a way to effectively get rid of her daughter was simply eating the body. that would also explain why Walter is so traumatized.

    • retracingbolide
      retracingbolide Před 2 měsíci +9

      The radio in the story talks about a group of house intruders in halloween masks, it’s likely they were the ones that killed and ate her and they were called monsters because of the masks

    • meikomeikomeiko
      meikomeikomeiko Před 2 měsíci +10

      I thought the boyfriend and some fans jumpscared her and she fell from the railing (like the hookman in the comic book) and then the boyfriend run away.

    • Firemaker125
      Firemaker125 Před 3 měsíci +10

      What? The boyfriend probably killed her.

    • Matthijs de Rijk
      Matthijs de Rijk Před 4 měsíci +34

      @Tha Prog of course she would pretend she was out of the house when it happens. she's the one telling the story. she would give herself an alibi

    • Tha Prog
      Tha Prog Před 4 měsíci +15

      Plot twist Edie was not there Since the story takes places when Edie and. Her husband got to a night out and monsters were terrorizing houses. It’s specifically said in the.broadcast in the story-

  • Ella Epoche
    Ella Epoche Před 4 měsíci +122

    Another interesting detail to notice: in "History of the Finches," there's text written that isn't voiced, where Edie remembers specific items, including the chair her grandmother died in. She also says she tried to protect her children but failed. She also had a sister, who's never mentioned anywhere else.

  • Christopher Walters
    Christopher Walters Před 4 měsíci +215

    Walter viewing Edie as the "monster" seems like a pretty far-fetched misinterpretation, but Edie accidentally killing Barbara is much more intriguing.

    • Isabella Alfaro
      Isabella Alfaro Před 17 dny

      @CamTheKitty but why Walter accepted the food that Edie brought to him? When he was hiding in the basement

    • SinnamonSki
      SinnamonSki Před měsícem +5

      @CamTheKitty especially if that someone was YOUR sister

    • CamTheKitty
      CamTheKitty Před 3 měsíci +24

      No, it's pretty exact if you just saw grandma kill someone, and not "accidentally"

  • Bruno
    Bruno Před 4 měsíci +90

    The curse is irresponsibility passed down by the og patriarchs of the family. Except for Barbara who was murdered and Milton who actually went to another dimension. Most of those deaths where entirely preventable.

    • CreativeWM_Personal
      CreativeWM_Personal Před 2 měsíci +14

      @MrSirHello Play the Unfinished Swan and you'll understand how he fits in

    • MrSirHello
      MrSirHello Před 4 měsíci +14

      Milton left with diamond armour and went to the nether

  • Garrett Reish
    Garrett Reish Před 5 měsíci +1597

    The curse of Edith Finch, is child negligence.
    While yes, I would argue that mental illness affects some of them to a degree (primarily Lewis and Milton). The leading cause of all their deaths, is neglect. The curse is in some ways responsible, but it is mostly a scapegoat that is used to explain away their neglegiant behavior. I agree Grandma Edie is the "villain", but only because she is so lost in this curse stuff that she feeds to the Finch children. She seems to revel in the publicity it gains the Finch name.
    The reason Edie is still kicking in old age is because she was the one who unintentionally killed her children, and perpetuated the negligence. We can't know what things were like before they sailed the house across the ocean, but perhaps something about that trip changed Edie. Or having her own children changed her. Who knows.
    That's my take of the game at least.

    • MrSirHello
      MrSirHello Před 4 měsíci +4

      Gregorys death helps this theory alot
      Gregory died from drowning in a bathtub because HE WAS BEING NEGLECTED AND HE IS A BABY

    • BiscoitoTV
      BiscoitoTV Před 5 měsíci +5

      Even the main protagonist is negleting a child in a way, because shes is clibing an abandoned e rusty house while pregnant

    • Constant Disappointment
      Constant Disappointment Před 5 měsíci +9

      Abuse is, in a way, a curse. It forms a cycle through generations that is very difficult to dispel. My family's curse is absent fathers that make us look like a tribe of Amazon women, but the Finches don't live long enough to save their children from the consistent neglect that probably started before Edie. Most of the victims are kids that never get a chance to have their own kids in the first place.

    • PrzeklętePierogi
      PrzeklętePierogi Před 5 měsíci +5

      I saw this game a while ago but remind me please, why would you sail your house across the ocean? Well, it may be just a false drop but what if the house itself was coursed?

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      V bucks Roblox Před 5 měsíci

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  • Rutana
    Rutana Před 4 měsíci +30

    I just played the game and what stroke me as very odd were other things in Edith's room. She had already started a memorial painting for Lewis. She forbids changes to the rooms of the deceised, rather building up new rooms on the house. But especially, she has a folder full of sketches and concepts of memorial stones. Of the graves. Who works on something like that when a person is still alive? Who names a pet after their deceased child? And what happened to those who married into the family? We know her daughter in law wanted a divorce, but we never learned what happened to Dove's husband and Sam's second wife - and they have no graves in the Finch graveyard either.

  • Sam
    Sam Před 4 měsíci +58

    Two things I noticed after just playing through the game: (1) In the story when Edie’s father dies, Edie has NO remorse and is only concerned about there new house. I thought that was interesting that the story specified that. (2) Has anyone tried to glitch and/or wall hack the library door during the day? Im curious if the book is actually readable if you were to enter upon arriving.

  • Illegal Potato
    Illegal Potato Před 4 měsíci +150

    At 17:30, I’ve heard that the reason the candy is gone, is because she’s been sent to bed so many times without dinner she’s had to resort to eating the candy, and after so many nights without dinner, she starved.

  • Hope Moskal
    Hope Moskal Před 2 měsíci +14

    The one thing I noticed is that each generation only has one surviving child left to make the next. Since Edith only had one child, this might break the curse because there are no spare siblings to die. If Christopher only has one child and that child only has one child, most likely no one will have an early death.

    • CreativeWM_Personal
      CreativeWM_Personal Před 2 měsíci +7

      You're forgetting about Monroe from the Unfinished Swan who is the son of Milton

  • Randomghoulz
    Randomghoulz Před 5 měsíci +1670

    The only issue I have with this theory is that MatPat doesn't even acknowledge Odin's story, where it is stated that he left Norway to try to protect his daughter, Edie, from the very same curse that Edie would recite to the later generations of the Finch household.

    • James Hinton
      James Hinton Před 3 měsíci

      You know it's a horseshit video when the they have to leave giant gaping holes to make it work and hope you don't notice.

    • ★ᴀɴɪᴅɪᴏᴛ★
      ★ᴀɴɪᴅɪᴏᴛ★ Před 5 měsíci

      @Monroe !! yeah- you're right- 1 day isn't even close enough to have been starved to death so maybe Edie neglected Molly for some reason- what if 2 weeks ago it was halloween and like what MatPat said ate her candy when she wasn't supposed to so Edie locked Molly in her room since then so when she ate the stufff like the berries,toothpaste, ect- she started feeling weird, possibly passed out and then died?

    • Alice Wonderland
      Alice Wonderland Před 5 měsíci +1

      @BrawlmaN64 It's okay, I'm glad you admitted you're mistake. If you are interested in the full story, I recommend you watch a playthrough and highly recommend you watch, "The Villian of Edith Finch".

    • E_knees
      E_knees Před 5 měsíci +1

      @Monroe !! she did not starve. She loosened herself.

    • The Supernatural house
      The Supernatural house Před 5 měsíci +2

      @Monroe !! yeah, it's more likely that the berry's Molly ate where poisonous, maybe placed there by Edie

  • ~RoseHauntsCheese~
    ~RoseHauntsCheese~ Před 3 měsíci +22

    I always thought the rattling that was the 'monster' going on was just the train going overhead, shaking the whole place, and the 'monsters' that killed Barbara were just the Hookman's gang in monster costumes.

  • kaoriandyoshi1
    kaoriandyoshi1 Před 4 měsíci +66

    It's interesting that Edie's father was named Odin. Odin was the god of war. Those who died in war joined him in Valhalla. What isn't as well-known was that Odin was also the god of poets. I feel like this was a little easter egg.

    • Tokuijin
      Tokuijin Před 3 měsíci +16

      Another thing to note is that his wife, Ingeborge, like Edith, died of obstetric complications. Women who pass away in childbirth are welcomed into Valhalla, IIRC

  • Zuzz
    Zuzz Před 4 měsíci +22

    Milton is a reference to the game “The unfinished swan” as not only is the design of his part of the house consistent with the aesthetic of the game, the way he draws himself fits perfectly as a younger version of the king from the game. The way he disappears through a door that he drew makes me think he created the world of the unfinished swan since the king in that game seemingly has control over reality while still being human.

  • Loser
    Loser Před měsícem +8

    I think one of my favourite things about this game is how most of the deaths were totally preventable if edie wasn’t so adamant on keeping the delusion of a family curse alive

  • prohunter49
    prohunter49 Před 5 měsíci +5584

    Theory: I think Edie made the stories when molly died because molly's death was because of Edie's irresponsibility. She was so sad and guilty. She made the story of a curse to feel better and stuck with it all her life.

    • Skeleton the boneman
      Skeleton the boneman Před 3 měsíci

      @Taylor Anderson The stories were there before they moved to the US

    • Taylor Anderson
      Taylor Anderson Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yeah I Always thought all of the stories were Edies coping mechanism that she adapted after losing her mother & baby 🍼 brother in chid brith and then watching her father literally drown in front of her when immigrating to a bernd new country. It's kind like a book 📖📚 story Teller gave her sister and her sister lover the ending they don't have in real life as have fantastical story she thought was worthy of them

    • Taylor Anderson
      Taylor Anderson Před 3 měsíci +1

      Theory: I think 🤔 Eddie made the stories when molly died because Molly's death 💀 was because of Edie's irresponsibility . she was so sad 😭 and guilty. She made the story of a curse to feel better and stuck with it all her life.

    • Elizabeth Cheung
      Elizabeth Cheung Před 3 měsíci +2

      For some weird reason the first thing that came to my mind was Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

    • Amelia
      Amelia Před 3 měsíci +4

      She has a picture of her husband about to die in her bedroom though
      Also while thats a nice thought this has been happening for a while
      Her son was missing and instead of getting him help and keeping his existence away from the others including family in the house when they think he is still missing isn't exactly something that screams concerned loving parent
      It just doesn't feel likely that its the story from someone withering in sadness and/or guilt over another dead family member
      It feels like something twisted and chilling

  • Richard Proper
    Richard Proper Před měsícem +8

    Quick note: Milton's disappearance is a bit of an Easter egg to "The Unfinished Swan", and earlier game by Giant Sparrow, where he is heavily implied to be the character "The King". The game is also heavily covered in metaphors and symbolism to the point that it's hard to tell what's actually 'true,' but it's likely Milton not only survived, but fathered a child of his own, the protagonist of Swan. He didn't get killed, he ran away.

  • TheRedBaron
    TheRedBaron Před 3 dny

    community asks for MatPat to do a theory on the game, then proceeds to comment the established theories that they already believe as their opinion anyway. What was the point of hearing Matpat's theories again?

  • Lesteryay Trippy
    Lesteryay Trippy Před 4 měsíci +34

    I feel like Joseph Anderson, another CZcams channel, covered Edith Finch's narrative emotionally, being particular with each Finch, and came to the same conclusion about Grandma Edie, and her obsession with death. Great video.

  • UmbraLyrel
    UmbraLyrel Před 4 měsíci +60

    I'm surprised you make no connection between the actual cat Eddie named "Molly" and the plethora of caged birds Eddie kept in her room and the family tragic deaths. I am sure there is one in there, somewhere.

  • Vannah Durojaiye
    Vannah Durojaiye Před 4 měsíci +41

    Too, I think this theory is only scraping the surface of the Finch family. Every story Edith comes across has fictional elements and an accurate tale. Molly legit wrote how she`s going to die in her diary, Since she is Edie`s daughter, It`ll make sense that she fictionalizes things to her better will to cope with herself and starvation.
    Edie is generally a neglectful mother toward her children, but remember the curse only leaves one child to continue the next generation of Finches. This means, blinded by fantasy and truth, each generation is sent with stories blurring reality and fantasy for their better will. To hide the real reason why all this is happening.

  • Brian Burkhardt
    Brian Burkhardt Před 24 dny +3

    I think that what Edie realized when she found her old house is that there was no curse, that she in part had doomed her family by keeping the constant reminders but also, moreso, that the curse is just in her head- meaning it can’t be undone.

  • hal 9000
    hal 9000 Před 4 měsíci +42

    On the subject of the train:
    Steam and diesel engines don't run on underground lines because they would suffocate the crew/passengers

  • Zanzibar2000
    Zanzibar2000 Před 3 měsíci +8

    My grandma exhibits Edie's behavior in a way. Twisting stories to make her the hero, guilt tripping family members to do her bidding, making parents feel like they've done something wrong and Edie is the one to fix it all. Sure she hasn't murdered anyone but that behavior has pulled me and my immediate family away from that part of my family. Like Edith's mother had

  • FearLessGamer
    FearLessGamer Před 5 měsíci +3578

    Honestly, I don’t think she is a serial murderer but her refusal to believe there isn’t a curse causes so many deaths. The many poor decisions she made were never fixed because she blamed it on a curse instead of herself and thus never grew.

    • JP_Ravenfire
      JP_Ravenfire Před 4 měsíci +1

      Also, a female cat is called a Molly.

    • FearLessGamer
      FearLessGamer Před 4 měsíci +3

      @Charles Calthrop Sorry for the double negative. Confused myself a little to. “She refused to believe that there isn’t a curse”. Her belief in the curse is what caused so many of these deaths and because she refused the possibility that it could just not be a curse, she just chopped it up to, “We are all going to die to this curse so might as well have some fun with it” which resulted in her never stopping the cycle of neglect

    • Charles Calthrop
      Charles Calthrop Před 4 měsíci +3

      wtf, are you talkiing about? Edie was the biggest believer of the curse of anyone. Not to mention every death we see except 2 are resulting from neglect or recklessness; a general ambivalence to death akin to fatalism.

    • O K
      O K Před 5 měsíci +5

      Molly and Calvin seem to be a cause of Parental neglect to the point of causing the kids death. Barbara was probably directly killed by Eddie although accidentally,Walter was either murdered by Eddie or simply died crushed from a poorly constructed tunnel or something like that. In any case she's responsible for the deaths either due to believing in the curse as a coping mechanism and being an awful parent or straight up a serial killer

    • Phayth
      Phayth Před 5 měsíci

      @FearLessGamer mood.

  • popcorn
    popcorn  Před 2 měsíci +3

    Milton Theory: It said he was hit by a train. What if he was literally hit by the toy train that we see on his desk? It could literally be the murder weapon.

  • Askara Dark
    Askara Dark Před 4 měsíci +26

    I even think that the fog referes to an illness like demenita. Because you are not noticing things around you, you tell fantastical storys and maybe the quote got turned around referes to how she was raised by her father who loved death and maybe even made her the killer she seames to be. Actually the returning to the house could be the grandmas clean moments where she knows what happened and where she wrote that book.

    • supamat
      supamat Před 15 dny

      That was my thoughts. and she says after the fog clears things came back to her, her family, her actions and the light upstairs turns on, a phrase for someone's mind just realizing something important, important enough to write a book because no one would listen

  • Zuzz
    Zuzz Před 4 měsíci +3

    This game is ultimately about dealing with loss. What makes it so interesting is how the family deals with it. Edie tells all these fantastical stories because that’s how she wants them to be remembered. She makes them around what she believes their true essence is because those are the parts she wishes would remain. After all when someone’s gone all that remains are the stories. I don’t think they’re coverups because we can see this coping mechanism rub off on the rest of the family. Though they end up being less fantastical and much more heavy hearted the stories written about the deceased by other family members process the loss by remembering them as they were in life. The stories Edie chose for the shrines are the ones that accomplish that best. Barbra had a sensationalized comic because she was a star and that’s what Edie wanted to be remembered. Lewis had the psychiatrist’s letter because they were the person who learned the most about the boy who got lost in his own head. Gregory had the note written on divorce papers because despite the problems sam had with his ex wife, Gregory was a light in both of their lives. The tragedy of Edie’s story being unfinished is that she was the last who knew the oldest stories of their family. She needed Edith to listen, she needed her to remember them, because once Edie dies the remains of those closest to her, the stories of her family, the stories of herself, die with her. The story of her returning to the old house at the lowest tide was of her memories resurfacing both literally and figuratively. She chose that night because she didn’t want those memories to be lost beneath the waves forever, and Edith understood this because she came back. She came back and put all those stories together to the best of her ability for the next generation. She came back so she could remain.

  • CleoPhoenix
    CleoPhoenix Před 4 měsíci +42

    Molly was a very small child. The toxicity of the combination I feel, could have affected her more than it would an adult body. Also the deaths of Lewis, Sam, and Gregory disproves the grandma serial killer theory. I dunno, lots o' holes in this one. 😕

    • Lavernia
      Lavernia Před měsícem +1

      I was under the assumption after eating the holly barriers maybe she got sick and disoriented, opened a window for some air and fell out?

    • Kuza
      Kuza Před 2 měsíci

      Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20
      Revelation 6 1st Seal: White horse = Roman Empire conquering nations under Trajan 98-117 AD & Gospel spreading rapidly. 2nd Seal: Red horse, bloody civil wars with 32 different Emperors, most killed by the sword. 185-284 AD 3rd Seal: Black horse, economic despair from high taxes to pay for wars, farmers stopped growing. 200-250 AD 4th Seal: Pale horse, 1/4th of Romans died from famine, pestilence; at one point 5,000 dying per day. 250-300 AD 5th Seal: Diocletian persecuted Smyrna church era saints for ten years, blood crying out for vengeance. 303-312 AD 6th Seal: Political upheaval in the declining Roman Empire while the leaders battled each other. 313-395 AD
      Revelation 7 Sealing of 144,000, the saints, before trumpet war judgments, which led to the fall of the Roman Empire.
      Revelation 8 1st Trumpet: Alaric and the Goths attacked from the north, the path of hail, and set it on fire. 400-410 AD 2nd Trumpet: Genseric and the Vandals attacked the seas and coastlands, the blood of sailors in water. 425-470 AD 3rd Trumpet: Attila and the Huns scourged the Danube, Rhine & Po rivers area, dead bodies made water bitter. 451 AD 4th Trumpet: Odoacer and the Heruli caused the last Western Emperor (sun), Senate (moon) to lose power. 476 AD With the Western Roman Emperor (restrainer of 2 Thes. 2) removed; the son of perdition Popes took power.
      Revelation 9 Two woe judgments against the central 1/3rd and eastern 1/3rd of the Roman Empire. 612-1453 AD 5th Trumpet: Locust & scorpions point to Arabia, the rise of the Muslim army. Islam hides Gospel from Arabs. 612-762 AD 6th Trumpet: Turks released to attack Constantinople with large cannons (fire, smoke, brimstone). 1062-1453 AD
      Revelation 10 The little book is the printed Bible, which was needed after the Dark Ages when Scriptures were banned by Popes.
      Revelation 11 7th Trumpet: Martin Luther measured Roman Church; found that it’s an apostate church, not part of true temple. The two witnesses are the Scriptures and saints who proclaim the pure Gospel and testify against the antichrist Popes. Papal Church pronounced Christendom dead in 1514 AD. Silence for 3.5 years. Then Luther posted his 95 Thesis, which sparked the Protestant Reformation and brought the witnesses back to life. Millions of Catholics were saved.
      Revelation 12 Satan used the Roman Empire to try to wipe out the early Church, Satan was cast down as the Empire collapsed.
      Revelation 13 The antichrist beast Popes reigned in power 1,260 years, 538-1798, is the little horn of Daniel 7, son of perdition. The false prophet Jesuit Superior General rose to power from land (earth) of Vatican and has created many deceptions.
      Revelation 14 Points to great harvest during the Protestant Reformation & wrath on Catholic countries who obey antichrist Pope.
      Revelation 15 Overcoming saints victorious over the beast. Prelude to 7 vials and judgment on those who support Papal Rome.
      Revelation 16 1st Vial: The foul sore of atheism was poured out on Catholic France, leaving them with no hope, led to revolution. 2nd Vial: The French Revolution started in 1793, killed 250,000, as France had obeyed the Pope and killed saints. 3rd Vial: The French Revolution spread to rural areas of France, where Protestants had been killed in river areas. 4th Vial: The bloody Napoleonic wars shed the blood of countries who had revered and obeyed the antichrist Pope. 5th Vial: Judgment on the seat of the beast. Papal States invaded in 1798, Pope imprisoned, removed from power. 6th Vial: The Turks vast domain dried up, they were only left with Turkey. They lost control of Palestine in 1917 AD, Israel became a nation again in 1948

    • CamTheKitty
      CamTheKitty Před 3 měsíci +1

      Someone is listening to the unreliable narrator of the story too hard

    • animewitch
      animewitch Před 3 měsíci +2

      Some of the deaths were definitely caused by mental illness while others were definitely due to some kind of neglect. Even if she didn’t outright murder them (though she could have in some cases), most of the deaths were caused by her negligence and could technically make her a serial killer. No matter the facts of the “curse”, Edie was definitely mentally ill and obsessed with power, fame and death (all signs of sociopathy and serial killing tendencies).

    • Lu
      Lu Před 3 měsíci

      @Finel yeah, I already said, I agree that she's responsible for the deaths

  • Jeremy Brown
    Jeremy Brown Před 5 měsíci +2296

    When Edie writes about the being lost, the fog rolling in, then finding old house and basically regaining control it reminds me of dementia. Most likely either Lewy body dementia or Pick’s disease (which usually starts around 45) it could even be a mix of things it is a game :). Could be that she was no longer aware of murdering her family and her subconscious used these stories as a form of confession.
    So she starts off as the worlds worst mom and kills a child or two and copes with writing stories for fame, then gets dementia, drinks her own cool-aid, kills and keeps up the cycle while forgetting.
    If that's the case she might believe what she what she wrote thinking that it's the only viable answer.

    • Kuza
      Kuza Před 2 měsíci

      Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20
      Revelation 6 1st Seal: White horse = Roman Empire conquering nations under Trajan 98-117 AD & Gospel spreading rapidly. 2nd Seal: Red horse, bloody civil wars with 32 different Emperors, most killed by the sword. 185-284 AD 3rd Seal: Black horse, economic despair from high taxes to pay for wars, farmers stopped growing. 200-250 AD 4th Seal: Pale horse, 1/4th of Romans died from famine, pestilence; at one point 5,000 dying per day. 250-300 AD 5th Seal: Diocletian persecuted Smyrna church era saints for ten years, blood crying out for vengeance. 303-312 AD 6th Seal: Political upheaval in the declining Roman Empire while the leaders battled each other. 313-395 AD
      Revelation 7 Sealing of 144,000, the saints, before trumpet war judgments, which led to the fall of the Roman Empire.
      Revelation 8 1st Trumpet: Alaric and the Goths attacked from the north, the path of hail, and set it on fire. 400-410 AD 2nd Trumpet: Genseric and the Vandals attacked the seas and coastlands, the blood of sailors in water. 425-470 AD 3rd Trumpet: Attila and the Huns scourged the Danube, Rhine & Po rivers area, dead bodies made water bitter. 451 AD 4th Trumpet: Odoacer and the Heruli caused the last Western Emperor (sun), Senate (moon) to lose power. 476 AD With the Western Roman Emperor (restrainer of 2 Thes. 2) removed; the son of perdition Popes took power.
      Revelation 9 Two woe judgments against the central 1/3rd and eastern 1/3rd of the Roman Empire. 612-1453 AD 5th Trumpet: Locust & scorpions point to Arabia, the rise of the Muslim army. Islam hides Gospel from Arabs. 612-762 AD 6th Trumpet: Turks released to attack Constantinople with large cannons (fire, smoke, brimstone). 1062-1453 AD
      Revelation 10 The little book is the printed Bible, which was needed after the Dark Ages when Scriptures were banned by Popes.
      Revelation 11 7th Trumpet: Martin Luther measured Roman Church; found that it’s an apostate church, not part of true temple. The two witnesses are the Scriptures and saints who proclaim the pure Gospel and testify against the antichrist Popes. Papal Church pronounced Christendom dead in 1514 AD. Silence for 3.5 years. Then Luther posted his 95 Thesis, which sparked the Protestant Reformation and brought the witnesses back to life. Millions of Catholics were saved.
      Revelation 12 Satan used the Roman Empire to try to wipe out the early Church, Satan was cast down as the Empire collapsed.
      Revelation 13 The antichrist beast Popes reigned in power 1,260 years, 538-1798, is the little horn of Daniel 7, son of perdition. The false prophet Jesuit Superior General rose to power from land (earth) of Vatican and has created many deceptions.
      Revelation 14 Points to great harvest during the Protestant Reformation & wrath on Catholic countries who obey antichrist Pope.
      Revelation 15 Overcoming saints victorious over the beast. Prelude to 7 vials and judgment on those who support Papal Rome.
      Revelation 16 1st Vial: The foul sore of atheism was poured out on Catholic France, leaving them with no hope, led to revolution. 2nd Vial: The French Revolution started in 1793, killed 250,000, as France had obeyed the Pope and killed saints. 3rd Vial: The French Revolution spread to rural areas of France, where Protestants had been killed in river areas. 4th Vial: The bloody Napoleonic wars shed the blood of countries who had revered and obeyed the antichrist Pope. 5th Vial: Judgment on the seat of the beast. Papal States invaded in 1798, Pope imprisoned, removed from power. 6th Vial: The Turks vast domain dried up, they were only left with Turkey. They lost control of Palestine in 1917 AD, Israel became a nation again in 1948

    • REDARROW101_A5 Personal
      REDARROW101_A5 Personal Před 5 měsíci +1

      Ironic since the game tries to write it's self as wholesome to a degree. Like at the end you literally all the photos of the Devs with there families in the credits.

    • Your Shoulder devil
      Your Shoulder devil Před 5 měsíci +4

      That makes sense.

    • DeonX
      DeonX Před 5 měsíci +52

      "drinks her own kool-aid" 💀💀💀

  • Ryu No Ishi
    Ryu No Ishi Před 3 měsíci +6

    So neat, this game intrigued me when I was younger. I too came to the conclusion that the matriarch was to blame at least in some part. Hadn't considered Walter's monster being her nor Barbara's hook man being her but that makes a lot of sense and why wouldn't she be involved in all of the deaths if she was tied to so many already.

  • Noa Binnendijk
    Noa Binnendijk Před 3 měsíci +17

    "She'd have to have eaten twenty or so to actually ingest a deadly amount" okay, but is that based on the average person or the average small child?
    Small children's lethal doses are a lot less than grownups', and on an empty stomach like Molly had it can take even less to kill her.

    • Preston
      Preston Před 2 měsíci +1

      Specifically more then 3

  • dragonxomega
    dragonxomega Před 4 měsíci +4

    It sounds like the fog could be alzheimers, or elderly dementia. Like she forgot what she done, but suddenly, she remembered. The other thing I notice as well is that a lot of the deaths could also be trophies, as I've read that serial killers often keep mementos to relive their acts. Maybe, the stories might act as both trophies, and ways Edie feeds her narcissism and justification for her abusive behavior.

  • Quakers.
    Quakers. Před 4 měsíci +5

    As sad as this game it’s so beautiful the storyline, the plot even the deaths where all unique and portrayed sweetly.

  • Rowan
    Rowan Před 5 měsíci +3853

    Fun fact about Milton's disappearance: there is another game that the developers made that supposedly explained what happened to him, and the game is in the style of Milton's art. I haven't played it for myself yet, so I don't know if that's true, but it seems interesting.

    • Rowan
      Rowan Před 4 měsíci

      @Arai See Oh wow, that sounds so amazing! I really need to play the game for myself.

    • Arai See
      Arai See Před 4 měsíci +2

      It's far more likely that Milton got lost in the woods and died of drowning.
      Even though the game was highly stylized, there are several parts of it that mirror the Finch house. The location/stages include a castle that you enter from the tree, a lazy giant whose description sounded like Lewis, the dark wood surrounding the house, the single river that goes to the sea, the tall King statue in the last stage located where the old sunken house should be, and in that last stage the player need to race against raising water to meet the King at the top which sounds suspiciously like drowning.
      Also while developer claimed the King was Milton, we should also remember that his wife was created from his painting/imagination. Therefore his son whom we played was also an imagined construct.
      I suspect the entire Unfinished Swan was actually Milton's last glimpse/flashes of his life. He imagined what his life would be with a wife and his son coming to save him.

    • Firemaker125
      Firemaker125 Před 4 měsíci +1

      The Unfinished Swan is the game

    • MissMongiMayhem Mx3
      MissMongiMayhem Mx3 Před 4 měsíci

      @Specsboy1999 thank you

    • Quern
      Quern Před 5 měsíci

      @KILLNET🇷🇺 t b

  • Ratchet4647
    Ratchet4647 Před 4 měsíci +5

    This reminds me of a Joseph Anderson video from a few years ago where he also pointed the blame a Edie. In fact, CZcams autoplay kindly took me right to that video when this video ended. Glad to see MatPat arrived at similar conclusions from much of the same evidence!

  • Saori Hernández
    Saori Hernández Před 25 dny +2

    Molly’s death always make me think about the hallucinations and i got to the conclusion that after eating the entire toothpaste, leaded to some convulsions, because after researching, if you eat toothpaste in a extreme quantity, it can have some effects like convulsions, which finally got her to hallucinate and died.

  • StayFrosty
    StayFrosty Před 4 měsíci +5

    One of the most amazing and magnificent games to ever be made. I loved every second of it.

  • Lucky Fun
    Lucky Fun Před 4 měsíci +3

    My mom came in and sat in the last 7 mins of the theory and ask me if there was a book to this. I'm going to get the game just to show it to her. She always loved it when I would try to include her in my interests.

  • Matthew Mozingo
    Matthew Mozingo Před 5 měsíci +2324

    I think the “concept” binders in Edie’s room are actually concept sketches for each family member. Since the game tells us that Edie was a skilled artist and painter. She also frequently paints members of the family and is the one who made all of the memorial portrait plaques around the house.

    • Kuza
      Kuza Před 2 měsíci

      Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20
      Revelation 6 1st Seal: White horse = Roman Empire conquering nations under Trajan 98-117 AD & Gospel spreading rapidly. 2nd Seal: Red horse, bloody civil wars with 32 different Emperors, most killed by the sword. 185-284 AD 3rd Seal: Black horse, economic despair from high taxes to pay for wars, farmers stopped growing. 200-250 AD 4th Seal: Pale horse, 1/4th of Romans died from famine, pestilence; at one point 5,000 dying per day. 250-300 AD 5th Seal: Diocletian persecuted Smyrna church era saints for ten years, blood crying out for vengeance. 303-312 AD 6th Seal: Political upheaval in the declining Roman Empire while the leaders battled each other. 313-395 AD
      Revelation 7 Sealing of 144,000, the saints, before trumpet war judgments, which led to the fall of the Roman Empire.
      Revelation 8 1st Trumpet: Alaric and the Goths attacked from the north, the path of hail, and set it on fire. 400-410 AD 2nd Trumpet: Genseric and the Vandals attacked the seas and coastlands, the blood of sailors in water. 425-470 AD 3rd Trumpet: Attila and the Huns scourged the Danube, Rhine & Po rivers area, dead bodies made water bitter. 451 AD 4th Trumpet: Odoacer and the Heruli caused the last Western Emperor (sun), Senate (moon) to lose power. 476 AD With the Western Roman Emperor (restrainer of 2 Thes. 2) removed; the son of perdition Popes took power.
      Revelation 9 Two woe judgments against the central 1/3rd and eastern 1/3rd of the Roman Empire. 612-1453 AD 5th Trumpet: Locust & scorpions point to Arabia, the rise of the Muslim army. Islam hides Gospel from Arabs. 612-762 AD 6th Trumpet: Turks released to attack Constantinople with large cannons (fire, smoke, brimstone). 1062-1453 AD
      Revelation 10 The little book is the printed Bible, which was needed after the Dark Ages when Scriptures were banned by Popes.
      Revelation 11 7th Trumpet: Martin Luther measured Roman Church; found that it’s an apostate church, not part of true temple. The two witnesses are the Scriptures and saints who proclaim the pure Gospel and testify against the antichrist Popes. Papal Church pronounced Christendom dead in 1514 AD. Silence for 3.5 years. Then Luther posted his 95 Thesis, which sparked the Protestant Reformation and brought the witnesses back to life. Millions of Catholics were saved.
      Revelation 12 Satan used the Roman Empire to try to wipe out the early Church, Satan was cast down as the Empire collapsed.
      Revelation 13 The antichrist beast Popes reigned in power 1,260 years, 538-1798, is the little horn of Daniel 7, son of perdition. The false prophet Jesuit Superior General rose to power from land (earth) of Vatican and has created many deceptions.
      Revelation 14 Points to great harvest during the Protestant Reformation & wrath on Catholic countries who obey antichrist Pope.
      Revelation 15 Overcoming saints victorious over the beast. Prelude to 7 vials and judgment on those who support Papal Rome.
      Revelation 16 1st Vial: The foul sore of atheism was poured out on Catholic France, leaving them with no hope, led to revolution. 2nd Vial: The French Revolution started in 1793, killed 250,000, as France had obeyed the Pope and killed saints. 3rd Vial: The French Revolution spread to rural areas of France, where Protestants had been killed in river areas. 4th Vial: The bloody Napoleonic wars shed the blood of countries who had revered and obeyed the antichrist Pope. 5th Vial: Judgment on the seat of the beast. Papal States invaded in 1798, Pope imprisoned, removed from power. 6th Vial: The Turks vast domain dried up, they were only left with Turkey. They lost control of Palestine in 1917 AD, Israel became a nation again in 1948

    • Púca Miscellaneous
      Púca Miscellaneous Před 3 měsíci +2

      The thing that bugged me about that is that Edith said she was like 10 when Edie painted her portrait.

    • Killerhub93
      Killerhub93 Před 5 měsíci

      I loved playing this game. What a beautiful an wild qorky game. There is a theory that the brother escaped or left to the swan princess game I think?

    • Gerardino Moses
      Gerardino Moses Před 5 měsíci +2

      It took my 4 seconds to process that jump scare

    • Sylfa
      Sylfa Před 5 měsíci +7

      Considering she made those elaborate paintings/wood burnings for each dead family member, yes I agree that the concept binders would clearly be for her artistic endeavours.

  • lior yunfh
    lior yunfh Před 4 měsíci +1

    I've been subconsciously waiting on this episode for so long and to actually see it in my feed made me unreasonably happy! Amazing work, as always

  • YourLocalPie
    YourLocalPie Před 4 měsíci +2

    My mom played this game back in 2020 and I played it in 2021, one of my favorite games to this day and I’m glad you made a theory on it!
    The house always reminded me of the Weasley’s house from Harry Potter haha.

  • Dara Meng Long
    Dara Meng Long Před 2 měsíci

    I’d love to see a revisited theory in this after Matpat goes through some of the points in the comics and such.
    It really seems like a story on negligence and a grandmother who didn’t know how to cope and possibly some intermingled mental illness

  • Turt
    Turt Před 4 měsíci +1

    I remember playing this game when it came out, and it's super cool to finally see such an in-depth video going into this amazing game.

  • Spyro Shurtagul
    Spyro Shurtagul Před 4 měsíci +1

    I played this game a bit ago and remember it being so odd and couldn't wrap my brain around the point. It was interesting for sure, but I took it as some fantastical, odd bit of mayhem. Watching this theory really gets my thoughts going. It's been a bit, but from what I remember, what you say makes a lot of sense! Thanks for looking into this game!

  • Ellie Boakes
    Ellie Boakes Před 3 měsíci +1

    Here’s my theory, maybe she loved family so much so when her dad and husband died the family felt incomplete, so she started killing/causing the deaths so reunite her family with her father and husband and wrote the stories to cover it up but wrote them in a way her family would want to die due to their hobbies and interests they were passionate about, but with the story Edie wrote to Edith, “I lost my way, I got turned around” she realised how badly her obsession with family got, she’s lost more family than actually trying to get them back together

  • Aimee Bartol
    Aimee Bartol Před 3 měsíci +1

    When you watch the story on GT Live Edie seems like someone caring kind and also someone no one would pay any attention to after part one because you only see that Edie either coughed up too much blood or died of old age.

  • Angela D.
    Angela D. Před 4 měsíci +3

    I LITERALLY LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH I AM SO HAPPY YOU ARE REVIEWING IT AND GIVING IT A THEORY

  • Charles Halcomb
    Charles Halcomb Před 5 měsíci +3727

    The fact that you represent Edie as an old woman in a suspicious hat, reminiscent of a certain British monarch, is incredibly humorous to me

  • Judson Ewing
    Judson Ewing Před 3 měsíci +1

    9:53 I find it kinda funny that sometimes matpat says in a theory that one part of the theory that the community in the game have been theorizing for years. Its its just like yup i solved it! :)

  • Alexandra Burke
    Alexandra Burke Před 4 měsíci

    Watching this, I’m immediately brought back to all the discussions made in the past about whether the game made by the same developers, ‘The Unfinished Swan’ is connected to the lore of ‘What Remains of Edith Finch’ or not (I wont spoil either sides’ arguments). But I’d love to see Matt’s analysis on this and whether he can see it giving hints to the Finch’s story, or simply being another game by Giant Sparrow.

  • E SECRET L ANGEL
    E SECRET L ANGEL Před 3 měsíci +1

    I think the family curse started as a few tragedies, Ingeborg (Edie’s mother) died possibly of childbirth along with her second child, Odin (Edie’s father) bring his family and house to another country.
    Edie probably liked the attention and then some things happened like Barbra falling over the banister and Calvin falling off the cliff (even if the stories were embellished)
    At some at least one person in the family (possibly Edie) developed munchausen by proxy/Factitious disorder imposed on another and started to use the accidents to spread the legend of the Finch curse.

  • Zombie Chicken
    Zombie Chicken Před 4 měsíci +1

    Interesting theory! I've not heard this angle yet, just wanted to point something out- maybe that "silence" period from the alleged monsters causing the shaking in walter's story represents the calm Edie had when Dawn and the kids moved in? Walter did die in 2005 when Edith jr was around, so- maybe its a timeline of events connection?

  • BrenGamer
    BrenGamer Před 4 měsíci +79

    Regarding the cold open, I’m pretty sure MatPat’s entire mind palace is in the style of FNAF at this point.
    Regarding the theory, I’m not into it. I think there may not be that a complicated narrative, and it’s just about family history and tragedy. I think the fantastic stories were a way to cope with the tragedy, and turn the family’s deaths into a way to remember who they were. The stories don’t just explain the circumstances of how they died, they tell you something about that family member.

  • Unicornmittens2.0
    Unicornmittens2.0 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Ok so the story is played as Edith Finch while you see her son at the end of the game cause of you look down you see a big stomach therefore the birth sequence at the end is the boy you see at the end of the game being born the game also gives you multiple hints that your character is pregnant.

  • ☆YourLocalArtPerson☆

    I remember watching E&K play this, and although I understand some deaths, there was still a lot left for me to be confused about.

  • Jessica Schultz
    Jessica Schultz Před 2 měsíci

    I've always thought it's really mysterious and creepy that every Finch family member was buried in the Library, too... Any ideas why?

  • Zero Tolerance
    Zero Tolerance Před 4 měsíci +4139

    Calvin theory: his broken leg likely implies he broke it by jumping off swings like he did in the tale, Edie knew he liked doing this, so that’s why she built one in front of a cliff.

    • Partial Bullet
      Partial Bullet Před 2 měsíci +4

      Isn't that why the fence is broken in the flashback?

    • Vox Volhynia
      Vox Volhynia Před 2 měsíci +40

      @Taylor Anderson Taylor theory: their copied comment likely implies they tried to steal another comment but added a few typos to make it "original". Edie knew they liked doing this, so that's why she made sure it was posted as a reply.

    • Shia
      Shia Před 3 měsíci +1

      @Taylor Anderson you are embarrassing

    • C moon
      C moon Před 3 měsíci +23

      @Taylor Anderson waiting for season 3

    • Masterraccoon
      Masterraccoon Před 3 měsíci +8

      @Taylor Anderson lol

  • SweetlySad
    SweetlySad Před 4 měsíci +1

    I actually gasped when I saw the title. I absolutely love this game, it's so well made.

  • Moonfly
    Moonfly Před měsícem +1

    I love that no matter how dark the theory is he always puts a meme at the end

  • JillByers
    JillByers Před 4 měsíci +4

    What if the crutch is some kind of family remembrance item? Like what if the crutch belonged to Calvin, then Barbra used it to protect herself, then Walter got it.

    • Mila Cruz
      Mila Cruz Před měsícem +1

      It's too big for a child

  • J1010H
    J1010H Před 4 měsíci +1

    I'm going to have to disagree with this theory of Edie being a killer as opposed to there being a "curse" in the family; remember that her mother and brother both died, which is what drove Odin to leave Norway, and that presumably many other family members before had died similarly tragic and/or early deaths. Her making stories is a coping mechanism probably passed on to her from Odin, albeit in different ways; Odin writing two published books to try and understand and accept death, while Edie wrote embellished stories for others in the family to remember those who died, likely started after Molly's death, who was also mentioned to have strong sense of creativity (this trait, among others, is also present in the whole family, seriously just about every member did something related either to creative writing, some other creative trade or implied, either openly, subtextually or interpatively, to have a strong imagination). In-fact the fantastical creativity of the family feels like a distinctly Norwegian trait; as a Norwegian myself I can draw parallels between the creative stories of the Finches and fairy tails we have here in Norway, and even various stories present in my own family. We have a tendancy to embellish the known or let our creativity run wild for the unknown.
    The deaths overall are all accidents by pure misfortune, by negligence, and/or by a form of self-fulfilling prophecy caused by the family's very strong creativity combined with turbulent and forceful emotions and familial relationships, perpetuated with by the belief of a family curse.
    Also unrelated to the theory and my above spiel (or maybe there is some connective tissue) but it's rather noteworthy that the family of Norwegians, who left to try and escape a family curse, settled on Orcas Island, an island that looks rather uncannily like the Nordics when viewed on a map, and still experienced the curse. Just additional food for theorizing.

  • Monroe Robbins
    Monroe Robbins Před 5 měsíci +1358

    And lastly, Milton: the last we see of Milton is him, in his own drawings, making a door, and going through it. I think Milton escaped, I think he was one of the lucky ones. You can fake handwriting, but it’s harder to fake drawings, so I think Milton drew him going through a door. I think Milton escaped, to become an artist. Find a wife, even have a child, the protagonist of The Unfinished Swan. But that’s my crapshoot, I doubt it’s true.

    • Monroe Robbins
      Monroe Robbins Před 5 měsíci

      @Strawberry crepe cookie yeah… huge bummer :(

    • Strawberry crepe cookie
      Strawberry crepe cookie Před 5 měsíci +3

      *Oh my god.*
      So.
      Many.
      Bots!

    • arfsnm dgn
      arfsnm dgn Před 5 měsíci +1

      @V bucks Roblox hahaha

    • V bucks Roblox
      V bucks Roblox Před 5 měsíci +2

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    • Monroe Robbins
      Monroe Robbins Před 5 měsíci +2

      @Gatineau B. I know, that’s why I brought it up (but thank you for clarifying, I did not, so it could be confusing for those who don’t know, so thank you).

  • Napawat K
    Napawat K Před 4 měsíci +1

    Edie is an artist and storybook maker. The concept binders could just be short for concept art. Afterall she painted everyone’s portraits 🤷‍♂️

  • Baltimore's Lioness
    Baltimore's Lioness Před 4 měsíci

    You took this story somewhere I had no clue you could take it. I truly enjoyed it!! Opened up a different prospective.

  • Kyle Fleming
    Kyle Fleming Před měsícem

    This was an awesome video and a definitely a fun addition to the Finch fandom and theories but there are a few holes in this such as certain family deaths like Sam who got pushed off the cliff by a deer, Gregory who drowned in a bathtub, Calvin who was crushed in a storm, Lewis being beheaded at the cannery, Edith’s mum who died after Eddie passed away and then finally Edith who died in childbirth. Other than those family members being unexplained, the whole “mole-man living under the house” article was something I never even considered and yeah it’s a little too coincidental for that to not be a reference to Milton which does make Eddie seem a lot more sinister and suspicious. The comic book thing has bugged me since I first played and I’m glad you brought it up.

    • Kyle Fleming
      Kyle Fleming Před měsícem

      Sorry not “Milton” being the mole man, “Walter” being the mole man.

  • Azure Shin
    Azure Shin Před 4 měsíci

    I love theories like this. It's not a genre I play but I love the deep lore dives. Hope there's more :)

  • Unknown Variable
    Unknown Variable Před 5 měsíci +1585

    The lore is my favorite part of this game. You never really know what truly happened and a lot of the reasoning and explanations are based on your imagination and intake on the game. Nice to see a theory on it

    • Sofía Cuenca
      Sofía Cuenca Před 5 měsíci

      This is why is one of my favorite games

    • Kyra Hirowrath
      Kyra Hirowrath Před 5 měsíci +3

      eldat; Wait a minute that actually sounds cool, not the whole suffering in the underworld bit but Techno doing someting like being Doomguy and killing all sorts of demons does. i think your bot is a bit useless and just goes to show how much cooler techno can be than you instead lol

    • Alexandria Trenier
      Alexandria Trenier Před 5 měsíci +3

      I love that too. The blur between truth and tale thickens. It peaks my curiosity.

    • V bucks Roblox
      V bucks Roblox Před 5 měsíci

      @Redstone Creator hahahha

    • Redstone Creator
      Redstone Creator Před 5 měsíci +2

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  • FoxInSoxx
    FoxInSoxx Před 4 měsíci

    Would love to see you guys dive into the lore of the Cube Escape mobile series. For a growing series of pretty rudimentary puzzle games, they’ve built a fantastic backstory for their little psychological thriller project.

  • Amir YZP
    Amir YZP Před 2 měsíci +1

    Leaves me with one question, why didn't the curse get dawn?
    Maybe Edie wanted her to follow-up on her path?

  • ILoveKimPossibleAlot
    ILoveKimPossibleAlot Před 4 měsíci +8

    I am so excited to get new Edith Finch content.

  • Alcaste
    Alcaste Před 3 měsíci

    God I love this game. Whenever it comes back up I have to tell everyone to play it.

  • Lil Norty
    Lil Norty Před 5 měsíci +2041

    MatPat you should do a theory on the game “Oakwood”.
    • missing kids
    •letters that explain a story
    • Dinosaurs
    Every thing you need to make a theory.

    • Mzhru
      Mzhru Před 4 měsíci +1

      And the quarry

    • Jerwas
      Jerwas Před 4 měsíci +1

      Another one for the theory, bingo!

    • Frey74
      Frey74 Před 4 měsíci

      you just described (insert horror game here)

    • {+} coffee {+}
      {+} coffee {+} Před 4 měsíci

      dinosaurs .. DINOSAURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Y4SSSSSSSSS

    • paint3
      paint3 Před 4 měsíci

      @Max December same

  • Boomer Dwight
    Boomer Dwight Před 4 měsíci +2

    OMG finally someone answers my particular question of Barbara's tale and how it truly went down.

  • Wave
    Wave Před měsícem +1

    I appreciate that this theory is able to maintain credibility by conveniently avoiding the numerous deaths that cannot possibly be attributed to Edie. And by appreciate I mean that I find it to be entirely disappointing.

  • jay
    jay Před 2 měsíci

    i remember hearing somewhere that milton actually escaped through a mirror and is theorized to be a character in one of the studio’s unfinished games

  • Holly Brawner
    Holly Brawner Před 4 měsíci +2

    Someone hasn't seen The Villain of Edith Finch by Joseph Anderson. He talked all about this like a year ago, I'm kinda surprised he hasn't seen it.

  • Caelin Eveler
    Caelin Eveler Před 5 měsíci +1132

    Can't wait for a sequel, "What remains of Matpat's Sanity."

    • Meiou Bunny
      Meiou Bunny Před 5 měsíci

      at this point what sanity? i dont think he has a lick of it left.

    • The Rogue Wolf
      The Rogue Wolf Před 5 měsíci +7

      It'd just be a five-hour montage of FNAF jumpscares and "the box".

    • Redstone Creator
      Redstone Creator Před 5 měsíci

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    • Complex2Live
      Complex2Live Před 5 měsíci +6

      I can't wait either

    • Don't Read My Profile Photo
      Don't Read My Profile Photo Před 5 měsíci

      Don't read my name........

  • Baylie
    Baylie Před 4 měsíci

    I was super excited for this theory (as I loved What Remains of Edith Finch) but overall this was super disappointing for me, it just didn't make a lot of sense and a lot of what is blamed on Edie could be explained in other ways. (For example, recklessness) I definitely liked that Pat tried to do a theory that was not overly theorized and it was something that I hadn't heard before but a lot of the evidence and such felt like it was cherry-picked to fit this villain plot twist.

  • Annika Kandoll
    Annika Kandoll Před 2 měsíci

    I think a lot of the mystery and inconsistencies of this story can be chalked up to it being of the Gothic genre. Of course there's someone who's lived longer than anyone else in the family, there needs to be a witness to all these deaths, a through line and record. All but Edie's and Dawn's deaths are tragic accidents or mysteries. It's hard enough to deal with death in the family from old age or illness. To have so many preventable deaths surely did a number on any survivors, and coping mechanisms can be wildly unhealthy. Like becoming obsessed with the death of each loved one and chronicling it. Maybe Lewis's painting was started before his death because Edie had a sense of foreshortened future about her family, where she couldn't picture them living for very long.

  • TheAdvertisement
    TheAdvertisement Před 3 měsíci +2

    2:36 I love how Matpat refers to an unstable Jenga tower as "late game". xD

  • Meghan Cobourn
    Meghan Cobourn Před 4 měsíci

    I literally wrote my undergrad thesis on this game!! So excited to see you play it

  • Hyper Fixation
    Hyper Fixation Před 5 měsíci +2282

    I have two theories about the monsters who killed Barbara.
    1) They could have been her fans from the monster convention she was supposed to attend. Since she had to stay home and couldn't go to them, they came to her. We know how there are some crazed fans out there who take their obsession with their idols dangerously far.
    2) The radio in the comic also mentions "a gang of hoodlums terrorizing Orcas Island tonight." They were the ones led by the Hook Man, so maybe when she overpowered him, the rest of the gang finished the job.

    • Asher Animates
      Asher Animates Před 5 měsíci +1

      grats on trending!

    • Verdant Mistral
      Verdant Mistral Před 5 měsíci +19

      While watching Matt's playthrough, I thought the twist of Barbera's story was going to be the bandaged man with the hook for a hand was her dad. He is injured at the beginning catching his hand in a saw. I kind of wonder if that is still sort of what actually happened?

    • BloodRoseKitten
      BloodRoseKitten Před 5 měsíci +15

      @Timothy Joseph Bonilla I kinda agree with the Boyfriend Murderer theory myself. A guy plays a nasty prank on his girlfriend that goes a little too far, she breaks it off, keeps a crutch out of emotional distress and the boyfriend and/or hired hands come back for her.

    • Windego
      Windego Před 5 měsíci

      The 1 while unlikely. It strengthens matpat theory.

    • Timothy Joseph Bonilla
      Timothy Joseph Bonilla Před 5 měsíci

      @Sara Fontanini Rape then murder

  • Wonder Boots
    Wonder Boots Před 4 měsíci +1

    its even more fitting for the family to be called finch
    does a finch kills its young?
    Some peck at the chicks and accidentally kill them, and then toss them or sit on them. Others will throw the chicks from the nest as if they were already dead. Other parents brood their young but never feed them even after several days
    it seems like the mother finch isnt the best mother, just like somone else we know...
    Other parents brood their young but never feed them even after several days, seems similar to the story of starving the child to death

  • That Fuckin Loser
    That Fuckin Loser Před 3 měsíci

    Something I noticed about Molly’s death was that everytime she changed into a different animal, it's a bigger animal who needs to eat more. Almost like as she's drifting off, she's becoming hungrier and hungrier until death consumes her. Which would only make this much sadder.

  • Dragon in the void
    Dragon in the void Před 2 měsíci

    When he said “stories handed down from generation to generation “ and “unreliable narrators th doling their versions of events” I instantly thought of the Generation Loss arg.