I thought it was cool how they took over the purifier but as you go further into the story you just realised how bethesda made the enclave the one dimensional bad guys
colonel autumn “this water belongs to the president who’s a robot” lone wanderer “did you know your president is a robot?” colonel autumn *fucking explodes from the shocking news of what he already knows* this game could’ve been written so much better
Fallout 3 had some rough edges when it came to branching paths since Bethesda hadn't really made a game with as many narrative branches as Fallout, even if they were inspired by the series beforehand. For a decision like this which they knew most players wouldn't even want to male; and fewer would have the stats to achieve, it was really more about just writing something which would justify having the option there in the first place.
There's much worse in that game than dialogues. Brotherhood protecting people from mutants - what fucking people even leave in DC ruins? Few scavengers and Talon mercs? Meanwhile they can't send a three man team to Big Town which is attacked on daily basis. Whole game feels like different people made different parts of the world and never talked about putting it together to make sense.
This dialogue was just terrible. "Eden could never be president, he's a machine that put itself in charge" "Oh shit you're right fam I never thought about it"
that's why when people criticize FO4 for having (plenty of) bad dialogues, i don't buy it. Bethesda literally almost never shined at these kinds of things. They're good, actually excelent at building dialogue that tells you something about their worlds and their background/stories. But interactions, expecially choice-related ones, are crazy and not in a good way.
@@yuzzo92 They had "decent" writings in Morrowind and Oblivion, Fallout 4 is arguably even worse written than Fallout 3 which is something I personally could never even foresee was possible. Skyrim too just, terrible writing at times, but DLC's were decent.
It's like he's not reacting to what you're saying. It looks like they recorded his "I give up" lines and then wrote what the player character would say later.
Thank you, Lyons... I really needed that little nugget of wisdom.... Also, I never realized how just strange this choice is and how it leads directly into Broken Steel where the Enclave is still putting up a fight
"Wow, you let him go, I'm surprised the wasteland didn't beat that out of you. 😃" The Lone Wanderer, who just obliterated Autumn with a Falcon Punch right befdore her eyes:
Colonel Autumn is the example of a villain that had a lot of potential but never went anywhere. Its clear all he wants is the enclave to serve a purpose and shares none of the ideals of Eden. The issue is the Brotherhood did the same thing it always does, hoard technology. Except this time their hoarding a water purifier and the most they'll ever use it for is to give out free water. Which at first is a good idea but the problem shown by Bethesda is its idealistic, in practice they were working Rivet security to the bone to do this. By what Autumn talks about is they wanted people to come to the enclave for water, protection, and a plan for the future. Which is incredibly grounded in reality compared to hauling it across the wastes, especially considering water seems like a non problem. It seemed like your father was less about drinking water and more about purifying the river itself.
There was an alternate history video that a CZcamsr did where Autumn was able to get the purifier code out of the Lone Wanderer at Raven Rock before eliminating that particular loose end, only for the Enclave to go from the clear villains of the series to unexpected good guys as once they destroyed the BoS, Eden decides to poison the purifier with another pawn and Autumn isn’t happy about it, thus causing him to turn on the ZAX supercomputer and save the Capital Wasteland from a terrible fate.
Christ, if you're gunna legalize it, why not like...have the character point out that Eden's already way past his 2 term limit or something. Not 'he's a machine' in a setting with a whole heap of sapient machines. It wouldn't be good but it would at least be a 'I have a stupid legal reason he's not legitimate' that works with the setting.
The Enclave could've been an incredibly compelling faction (maybe not even the 'designated villain' faction) with the struggle between Autumn, Eden and the rest of the Capitol Wasteland factions... but instead we have this, with the LW convincing Autumn to stand down because President Eden is an AI... which Autumn already knows...
@@brandenhauser1635 But the player has Sarah and a bunch of other Brotherhood pals outside. If you add in companions,the Enclave boys are getting outnumbered,but we won't since it's optional.
To me, the intelligence option is telling him Eden trusts you more than him and to fuck off as long as he's not capable of finishing Eden's plan (obviously it is a bluff)
Most annoying part about this to me, honestly, is Lyon’s unhelpful, snarky “I hope it doesn’t come back to bite you.“ Like, come on. You’re not helping the situation and the guy left without bloodshed.
The main antagonist is a supercomputer that thinks it's the president that you can easily talk into killing itself. His second in command is Colonel Autumn who tries to sabotage your main goal of providing clean water to the wasteland, but if your intelligence is high enough you can talk him out of it with some badly written dialogue. Go play FO3 it's amazing.
I hate to break it to you dude but this is just classic fallout speech checks, this shit happens in New Vegas all the time 😭😭 "Here let me point out one flaw in your plan." "shit u right son mb."
It's absolutely bizarre that someone could be swayed by the most surface level observations/arguments. Its not even "your president is a machine and is leading you astray" its just "your president is a machine".
@@xxlCortez Autumn thought it best to scrap that plan since it was pretty antithetical to what he was transforming the Enclave into. That's why Eden has to recruit you to put it in, instead of just asking Autumn to do it himself.
That's not surprising. In the grand scheme of things, morality-wise the Enclave has always been a mildly more extreme alternative to the Brotherhood of Steel (excluding the Lyons branch). The main noteworthy differences they have are that: 1. Their goals are different. The Enclave wants to rebuild pre-war America, the Brotherhood wants to keep dangerous technology out of the hands of others. 2. The Enclave has the resources to actually put most of their plans to action. The Brotherhood on the other hand has historically struggled for various resources. 3. Both factions oppose Mutants, even Ghouls receive poor treatment from the Brotherhood. It's just that some in the Enclave consider human Wastelanders to also be mutants (keyword being some). I find it funny how Bethesda, and even some fan communities, consider the Enclave to be something completely unforgivable. Even though over 80% of post-war factions are significantly worse.
Was about to say that i dont know why i liked the game living all alone in the wasteland, but im glad that i enjoyed it. The sounds, the feeling of being alone and the fear of low poly characters attacking me out of nowhere. Nowadays i prefer multiplayer games so i cant pretend im not alone - but whats weirder is this irl matrix glitch rn. I swear i heard a sound outside that sounded like Fallout 3 notification sound. When a message pops up and theres a slight sound. But ah well, life goes on, nobody's going to believe it and we certainly cant get to the bottom of this
The master from fallout 1 is the only final boss in the series that could realistically have been negotiated into surrender. Every other attempt at it is horribly wrote.
Autumn surrendering after his government amd army are decimated and a giant robot is waiting outside: Bad writing Lanius surrendering because "the west is too big": Genius
I had so much fun with Fallout 3- when I was 10, 11. That's just it. When you're an 11, 12, 13 year old, whatever, a young guy playing games, this was THE coolest thing out there at the time, and all the simplicities could be forgiven. What this game is is a game for adolescents and children wearing the disguise of an M rated game, including occasional things that step over the line. That's what I've realized fundamentally coming back to look at this and Oblivion. They were developing these two games for children, and for consoles- that's why the story is so fundamentally stupid and the enemies one sided, with pandering moral messages sprinkled throughout.. not to mention the unbelievably long and boring DC metro. It was literally designed primarily for children and there's no other explanation. I don't see these kinds of immature "omg this is sooo deep fawkes wont go in even though hse immune because its my destiny or something oOooOo and blowing up megaton is bad because liam neeson will be sad for 4 seconds" writing anywhere else. It's the sort of slop you find in the plots of children's cartoons but gamified. Fallout 3 succeeded because it's exactly what its target audience wanted, and at at a time when parents were known for just looking right past that M sticker on the box for the games. Full of things that were just a little over the line in terms of edginess, sexuality, all of that jazz to someone that age, but passe as a now 25 year old.
Well, he was being honest. He didn't shoot Colonel Autumn in the back, he punched him in the face.
with a plasma grenade
Honor must be upheld.
Always hilarious when two lines of dialogue is all it takes to convince someone to abandon their cause completely
The enclave felt so undercooked in this game, felt almost pointless to even put them in it.
@@nemesisa-type6721 yeah and the fact you cant side with them
I thought it was cool how they took over the purifier but as you go further into the story you just realised how bethesda made the enclave the one dimensional bad guys
@@nemesisa-type6721Hell the main questline felt very short all things considered.
@@cavemancult1999 Literally leave vault, go to megaton, go to boat, go to dr simulations molestation village, dad dies, get geck, end game.
The best part about this is, Autumn will undoubtedly get shot by any Brotherhood solders lurking outside that door after the player lets them leave.
Poor guy. He just really liked saying “chain of command”. Never bothered anybody.
colonel autumn “this water belongs to the president who’s a robot”
lone wanderer “did you know your president is a robot?”
colonel autumn *fucking explodes from the shocking news of what he already knows*
this game could’ve been written so much better
Surprised Pikachu face
Dude the way you have written this comment makes me want to save it somehow, this is fucking hilarious
I thought he exploded from the power armor punch to the face, but I could be wrong.
I guess I never considered that.
Fallout 3 had some rough edges when it came to branching paths since Bethesda hadn't really made a game with as many narrative branches as Fallout, even if they were inspired by the series beforehand. For a decision like this which they knew most players wouldn't even want to male; and fewer would have the stats to achieve, it was really more about just writing something which would justify having the option there in the first place.
the intelligence dialogue in fallout 3 really had me question about what it mean by intelligence.
Standards slip in the wasteland.
There's much worse in that game than dialogues. Brotherhood protecting people from mutants - what fucking people even leave in DC ruins? Few scavengers and Talon mercs? Meanwhile they can't send a three man team to Big Town which is attacked on daily basis. Whole game feels like different people made different parts of the world and never talked about putting it together to make sense.
This dialogue was just terrible.
"Eden could never be president, he's a machine that put itself in charge"
"Oh shit you're right fam I never thought about it"
FO3 is a treasure but but my god, the writing was awful
that's why when people criticize FO4 for having (plenty of) bad dialogues, i don't buy it. Bethesda literally almost never shined at these kinds of things.
They're good, actually excelent at building dialogue that tells you something about their worlds and their background/stories. But interactions, expecially choice-related ones, are crazy and not in a good way.
@@yuzzo92
They had "decent" writings in Morrowind and Oblivion, Fallout 4 is arguably even worse written than Fallout 3 which is something I personally could never even foresee was possible. Skyrim too just, terrible writing at times, but DLC's were decent.
@@SMGJohn this is also nostalgia glassery taken to the maximum level. This is simply not true.
@@iankummer truly the most fallout of them all haha
Lol funny how they didnt plan for you killing him like he said you would. Lyons comment was priceless after you instagibbed him.
"It's amazing the world hasn't beaten that out of you."
Lone Wanderer, who just beat Autumn's head off: 🙄
Pause
It's like he's not reacting to what you're saying. It looks like they recorded his "I give up" lines and then wrote what the player character would say later.
Thank you, Lyons... I really needed that little nugget of wisdom.... Also, I never realized how just strange this choice is and how it leads directly into Broken Steel where the Enclave is still putting up a fight
"Wow, you let him go, I'm surprised the wasteland didn't beat that out of you. 😃"
The Lone Wanderer, who just obliterated Autumn with a Falcon Punch right befdore her eyes:
Colonel Autumn is the example of a villain that had a lot of potential but never went anywhere. Its clear all he wants is the enclave to serve a purpose and shares none of the ideals of Eden. The issue is the Brotherhood did the same thing it always does, hoard technology. Except this time their hoarding a water purifier and the most they'll ever use it for is to give out free water. Which at first is a good idea but the problem shown by Bethesda is its idealistic, in practice they were working Rivet security to the bone to do this. By what Autumn talks about is they wanted people to come to the enclave for water, protection, and a plan for the future. Which is incredibly grounded in reality compared to hauling it across the wastes, especially considering water seems like a non problem. It seemed like your father was less about drinking water and more about purifying the river itself.
I had an idea of continuing Colonel Autums Story in a Mod where he wasnt shot in the back.
There was an alternate history video that a CZcamsr did where Autumn was able to get the purifier code out of the Lone Wanderer at Raven Rock before eliminating that particular loose end, only for the Enclave to go from the clear villains of the series to unexpected good guys as once they destroyed the BoS, Eden decides to poison the purifier with another pawn and Autumn isn’t happy about it, thus causing him to turn on the ZAX supercomputer and save the Capital Wasteland from a terrible fate.
Eden: I'm assuming direct control
Harbinger:
I'm directing this personally
Harbinger and Joshua Grahem have the same VA btw. the more you know
"YOU AGAIN"
*"Through The Fire And The Flames" intensifies*
Leave? Nah your coat is drip
It's as if the right has didn't understand what the Enclave even was, there's no reason for him to consider your arguments for a single second
Christ, if you're gunna legalize it, why not like...have the character point out that Eden's already way past his 2 term limit or something. Not 'he's a machine' in a setting with a whole heap of sapient machines. It wouldn't be good but it would at least be a 'I have a stupid legal reason he's not legitimate' that works with the setting.
The Enclave could've been an incredibly compelling faction (maybe not even the 'designated villain' faction) with the struggle between Autumn, Eden and the rest of the Capitol Wasteland factions... but instead we have this, with the LW convincing Autumn to stand down because President Eden is an AI... which Autumn already knows...
I don't see how he thought about fighting a Power Armored guy with his equipment.
Seems like an oversight.
It's a feature, not a bug.
Well, he did have a few guys of his own with him, and they had power armor of their own. So, there's that.
@@brandenhauser1635 But the player has Sarah and a bunch of other Brotherhood pals outside.
If you add in companions,the Enclave boys are getting outnumbered,but we won't since it's optional.
He has multiple of his own heavily armed men in more advanced Power Armor in the same room. He thinks he already has the advantage.
@@Stefan979-and liberty fucking prime
" Courier 6 to ED-E "
Write it down ,write it down!
Amazing acting. Thank you Tod
Ironically the world HASH “beaten” that out of him 😂
To me, the intelligence option is telling him Eden trusts you more than him and to fuck off as long as he's not capable of finishing Eden's plan (obviously it is a bluff)
0:57 "He assumed control."
Ah, Harbinger reference.
lets be honest... you NEED to have Fawkes for that final battle
Most annoying part about this to me, honestly, is Lyon’s unhelpful, snarky “I hope it doesn’t come back to bite you.“ Like, come on. You’re not helping the situation and the guy left without bloodshed.
She says as though you don't sacrifice yourself not even a minute later in the original game
If they ever remaster this game i hope they allow him to survive into broken steel and then have more of an impact in that dlc
that’s not really possible since his voice actor passed away in 2016
The fact you can forgive him is just another testament to the Lone Wanderer’s fathers teachings
Well I mean... you didn't shoot him in the back...
10 out of 10 sir
As someone who never played FO3, and only New Vegas...What is this conversation?
The main antagonist is a supercomputer that thinks it's the president that you can easily talk into killing itself. His second in command is Colonel Autumn who tries to sabotage your main goal of providing clean water to the wasteland, but if your intelligence is high enough you can talk him out of it with some badly written dialogue. Go play FO3 it's amazing.
I hate to break it to you dude but this is just classic fallout speech checks, this shit happens in New Vegas all the time 😭😭
"Here let me point out one flaw in your plan."
"shit u right son mb."
@@aquatic4760 You can talk people down in both, it's just that NV didn't feel like a concussion when listening to it.
They picked a really weird voice actor for an Enclave colonel.
The failure of Fallout 2 and 3 is not allowing you to join the Enclave properly and doing the right thing.
"I guess I'll trust that you wont shoot me." *gets punched in the face*
At this point I'm more surprised if these fallout videos end with no killing
It's absolutely bizarre that someone could be swayed by the most surface level observations/arguments. Its not even "your president is a machine and is leading you astray" its just "your president is a machine".
You didn't shoot him at least 😅
On my first playthrough i had to pick this option because i was low health and didnt have any stimpacks left
Shooting at his back
Did you just...grenade punch him?
*BRUH*
Too bad his laser pistol doesn't work the way it should after the ending
autumn should be the president instead
It just works.smh
Seriously, the elegant way you just flex taped his fucking head... am I embellishing? I'm probably embellishing at this point.
I love Fawkes as a follower but he can be so annoying
The Enclave barely seemed like bad guys in FO3
Poisoning the water supply to wipe out all life in the Capital Wasteland sounds kinda bad.
@@xxlCortez Autumn thought it best to scrap that plan since it was pretty antithetical to what he was transforming the Enclave into. That's why Eden has to recruit you to put it in, instead of just asking Autumn to do it himself.
That's not surprising. In the grand scheme of things, morality-wise the Enclave has always been a mildly more extreme alternative to the Brotherhood of Steel (excluding the Lyons branch). The main noteworthy differences they have are that:
1. Their goals are different. The Enclave wants to rebuild pre-war America, the Brotherhood wants to keep dangerous technology out of the hands of others.
2. The Enclave has the resources to actually put most of their plans to action. The Brotherhood on the other hand has historically struggled for various resources.
3. Both factions oppose Mutants, even Ghouls receive poor treatment from the Brotherhood. It's just that some in the Enclave consider human Wastelanders to also be mutants (keyword being some).
I find it funny how Bethesda, and even some fan communities, consider the Enclave to be something completely unforgivable. Even though over 80% of post-war factions are significantly worse.
Fallout 1,2, and NV: God tier writting
Fallout 3: *YOU AGAIN!*
Tbf, despite how corny that line is, I do find it funny and memeable
Damn right, I regret not picking F 1 and 2 for free like I did with NV, the story is so good
@@jro-lf9ps there's a steam sale going on, they're basically free, bought the collection of F1 F2 and Tactics for like 5 bucks
Honestly criminal how little Colonel Autumm is used in the game
1:55
You Lose 😅
I see the comment section has the nerd rage perk lol
Don’t we kill a “colonel autumn” in fo4?
I wish we could convince Bethesda to hand the Fallout IP to a competent developer with our mid intelligence
Of course you are not letting the man who killed your father walk away. Forgiveness was beyond me at that point too.....
Was about to say that i dont know why i liked the game living all alone in the wasteland, but im glad that i enjoyed it. The sounds, the feeling of being alone and the fear of low poly characters attacking me out of nowhere.
Nowadays i prefer multiplayer games so i cant pretend im not alone - but whats weirder is this irl matrix glitch rn. I swear i heard a sound outside that sounded like Fallout 3 notification sound. When a message pops up and theres a slight sound.
But ah well, life goes on, nobody's going to believe it and we certainly cant get to the bottom of this
The master from fallout 1 is the only final boss in the series that could realistically have been negotiated into surrender. Every other attempt at it is horribly wrote.
This game gets dumber every year.
Autumn surrendering after his government amd army are decimated and a giant robot is waiting outside: Bad writing
Lanius surrendering because "the west is too big": Genius
Fallout New Vegas Community and its future
Chapter 1.
Fallout New Vegas and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
fo3 feels so...rushed. which is funny considering...
The Brotherhood of Virgins
I had so much fun with Fallout 3- when I was 10, 11. That's just it. When you're an 11, 12, 13 year old, whatever, a young guy playing games, this was THE coolest thing out there at the time, and all the simplicities could be forgiven. What this game is is a game for adolescents and children wearing the disguise of an M rated game, including occasional things that step over the line. That's what I've realized fundamentally coming back to look at this and Oblivion. They were developing these two games for children, and for consoles- that's why the story is so fundamentally stupid and the enemies one sided, with pandering moral messages sprinkled throughout.. not to mention the unbelievably long and boring DC metro. It was literally designed primarily for children and there's no other explanation. I don't see these kinds of immature "omg this is sooo deep fawkes wont go in even though hse immune because its my destiny or something oOooOo and blowing up megaton is bad because liam neeson will be sad for 4 seconds" writing anywhere else. It's the sort of slop you find in the plots of children's cartoons but gamified. Fallout 3 succeeded because it's exactly what its target audience wanted, and at at a time when parents were known for just looking right past that M sticker on the box for the games. Full of things that were just a little over the line in terms of edginess, sexuality, all of that jazz to someone that age, but passe as a now 25 year old.
Just because the game had some bad writing doesn't mean that its for children. Get the fuck outta here with that overly dramatic bullshit.
Growing up is realizing most Bethesda games are sinfully mediocre.
we've all done this why post it