How Did Atatürk Beat Greece & the Entente? | The Turkish War of Independence
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The defeat of the Ottoman Empire left it at the mercy of Britain, France, Italy, and Greece. The Sultan in Constantinople had surrendered to the Entente, but Turks as a whole were not content to be occupied. Under Mustafa Kemal (later, Atatürk) and the banner of the Turkish National Movement, they would fight the Turkish War of Independence and create the modern Turkish state.
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it's pretty crazy that Turkey was fighting so many enemies after having lost a devastating war and still came out on top
It is but remember that many nations withdrew (Italy, France), others were annexed by 2 states (armenia), the Turks were being supplied by the soviets while Greeks didn’t have any help bc of the German sided king
the soviets didnt help for free... All those weapons and ammo's were payed by the uzbeks, The gold and jewels of the uzbeks that was seized by the bolsheviks was given to Turks (also the sword of Tamerlane was given to Ataturk, you can see it on the photos after Ataturk entered Izmir) and secondly Ataturk agreed with the soviets to not meddle in the caucasus and others turkic countries unlike the other pashas which wanted to fight the bolsheviks. The brits were supplying the greeks and the french were supplying the armenians in Cillicia which was under french control. The italians already knew it was a lost cause, because they wouldn't get the lands they wanted. Before leaving Anatolia the french sold their weapons to the Turks after the armenians weren't successful as a proxy. At the end they had tried everything except for direct war against the Turks which would have costed the French, Brits and Italians a lot of soldiers just like it did the greeks.
yes@@kostman_
@@kostman_ greeks had new, fresh army with weapons and suplies which was given by British army.
@@kostman_ the Turkish army had some equipment deals with the Soviets yes, but the equipment received was nowhere near enough
Ataturk was so based that people still crying about him even today. He was one of the greatest leaders of Turkic history.
BIJI KURDISTAN
AtaJEWS
Long live Mustafa Kemal Pasha long live,
@@GrecoByzantine1821 Biji kabristan
@@koktengri8724 Crimea is Russia, South Azerbaijan is Persia, Uighurs are slaves of China, Iraki and Syrian Turkmens are slaves of KURDISTAN. 25,000,000 million Kurds in Turkey. All good 🤫🤡☺️
There is no hopeless situation only hopless people. I never lost my hope.
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
Situation*
@@dugubuduyustug my bad bro my english so broken. Thanks
theres nothing we can do -Napolion
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is really a genius. Not at his time but one of the greatest leaders of all time.
A strategist commander against Italians in Libya, against Triple Entente navy in Gallipoli and against Greeks in Anatolia.
A motivator and tactician to organize a defeated society, giving nothing but hope, not to give up.
A governor to build up an economy and infrastructure.
A revolutionist to create a republic and modernize the nation.
All happened in a period of 20 years. Never seen before. Never seen after.
A genius. Period.
Nice analysis…I see in Ataturk a bit of Washington, Hamilton and Franklin…all in one…remember he founded Isbank - Bank of NY of Turkey which defined the financial system of Turkiye and economy which was a feodal system just a decade before under Ottomns for 600+ years…
Many more defining decisions around arts, language, history, education, overall freedoms and reforms in every aspect of a country…
Pretty amazing stuff…
You kinda forgot one of his most important roles.
He was a father. Not to just one or 10 people, but a nation. There is a reason he was given the surname "Atatürk" by the parliment, for no other last name could fit him better.
He was also a strongman dictator who suppressed his opposition with military force... but, potato potato.
A British military personel inspecting the Greek defense lines in 1922, said: "If Turks managed to pass these defense lines in 6 months, they can count themselves they passed it in 6 days" And Turks passed those Greek lines in like 1 day :D
in 36 hours :))))
Greeks were never a problem for Turks.
Today is the 100th anniversary of the Republic of Turkey!
I wish peace and happiness to the whole world!
Happy birthday Turkiye. Much love to you.
@@elaineturner7948 thanks 💐
Ataturk was and still is in my books one of the greatest politicians of all time. Very few can match his genius. And I'm not even Turkish.
Even we Turks can not unterstand him at all.
@@vatansenol9522 Looking at how fucked up our nation is now. We never deserved him :(
He is the proof of what happens when you pressure and insult a nation too much. There are two sides of this coin. You get either a reasonable leader like Ataturk or a passionate lunatic like Hitler.
Peter the great is better imo
@@solo_leo4454Peter the great is good. Both Ataturk and Peter did similar reforms too. But I think Ataturk is better as his nation was in a worse situation and he wasn't even a member of the government he even lost his role as a soldier later on and the government tried to execute him and they caused rebellions. Although both are genuises.
South part of Turkiye fought against frenchs they didnt left they were forced to leave you can check cities like Antep Maras and Urfa they fought very bloody battles even my great grandfather died against war with french.🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
I had no idea - this is an important miss from the video
Offical name of Antep is Gazi Antep (Veteran Antep) and Şanlı Urfa(Glorious Urfa)@@hgnostop
why you dont mention the "Hero Marash"@@qLenHoodS
@@taikutsunaneko9125 anlık Maraşlılar üzgün
Hayır terk etme falan yok,Fransa ile anlaşma yoluna gidildi,Hatay,Halep,Kobani,Rakka hepsi Misakı milli içindeydi,Fransizlardan silah yardimi alabilmek adına oralar Fransaya birakildi ankara antlasmasiyla
If one day my words contradict science, choose science
-M.K Ataturk
When it comes to the homeland, the rest is a matter of trifles
-M.K Ataturk
There are no hopeless situations, there are hopeless people. I have never lost hope.
-M.K Ataturk
A nation that risks death for its life and freedom can never be defeated
-M.K. Ataturk
The greatest war is the war against ignorance.
-M.K Ataturk
some of the reasons why he was a special man
Until Mustafa Kemal defeated the British, I thought even God was British.
-Gandhi@@yigithan3713
And that is why Türkiye nowaday dont need ottoman or Islam but principles
Turkey's principles are very civilized and modern
For example, women in Turkey were given the right to vote and be elected before France. Turkey is a very principled country but the geography we live in has been the victim of different cultures and different impositions throughout history. Turkey has always been a center of polarization, even during Atatürk's reign there were riots in the country, for example there is great polarization even in football fanaticism in Turkey, people are too attached to something in this country, I love this country and I believe that we will see good days, sunny days...
@@erenylmaz7872Cok guzel yorumlamişsin kardesim.
Love Turkey from Albania 🇦🇱 🇹🇷.
The high school in Albania that I used to study has the name of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
Love you Albania
Actually Enver Pasha died in the revolt of central asian turks against soviets
Right
O.c tarafi kanal, onu bunu katlettik diyor, bizi katledenleri hızlıca geçiyor
He’s more fondly remembered in Azerbaijan.
He was shot by an Armenian (Akadiyevich Yarkov or something)
Martyred*
Unfortunately "Mustafa Kemal Atatürk" close his eyes to the world today (10th November)
Rest in peace
nice video I always found this war incredible since Turkey just refused to accept defeat despite losing World War I
World War one ended with the treaty of Lausanne and Turks are the among the victorious , what kind of fake history that you were taught, it is mind blowing....
Hes so badass, he literally orders the british to get lost, and they obey in 2 hours
why are u biased towards greeks and armenians, turks has also suffered a lot during those times 12:21
Do you ever watched TV or news for the last few weeks?
We are second class humans, maybe even "animals"
It’s not bias if he’s stating an objective fact. The Turkish government explicitly ran on a policy of turkification of the Anatolian peninsula that expelled the native Armenian and Greek inhabitants. This was done out of both prejudice and the need to establish stability in the ottoman and later Turkish states. The only group that largely survived this genocide were the Kurds who continue to live in most of Eastern Turkey as a separate ethnic group from the Turks themselves.
@@motivationallizard6644 640.000 turks killed by greeks in turkish war of independence but i dont really see any one mentioning it
@@Aras-em6nz where are you pulling your sources from because that’s closer to the amount of Greeks and Armenians killed in the war. Most non bias scholars agree that at an upper estamite around 500,000 Greek and Armenian civilians were killed with around 30,000-100,000 Turks and you can literally look this up on Wikipedia for crying out loud.
@@motivationallizard6644 lol greeks accpeted all of it even gived up land after lozan am i the one who is crying? you are the one who rejecting the truth 640.000 turk are just killed in turkish war of independence think about balan wars and ww1 its esimated 500.000 to 2.500.000 turks killed by armenian rebels but i can understand your butpain keep crying and keep rejecting the massacers accapted by greeks
in Turkey its called "Kurtulus Savasi(Survival War)" not "Bagimsizlik Savasi" (Independent War). That explains the mentality of people better.
2 milllion Turk butchered in Balkans by greeks Sirbs or others and another 2 mil run to Anatolia, 2mil killed by armenians and rums(greeks in anatolia) in eastern Anatolia,
greek army didnt left any buldings stand or any 1 alive on its way to retreat , they raped put babies on bayonet and carry around like flag
only invasion group wasnt barbaric was Italians they aproached with a difrent tactic even build hospitals and gave local people free health care for a limited time
In fact, our teachers in primary school used to say: "They even cleaned the streets when the Italians were withdrawing." That's why we sympathize only with the Italians among the invaders.
Kurtuluş= independece Survival=Hayatta kalma it is independence war my man
@@mrsosiglover7334
It is survival if you are escaping death my man. Those invaders didn’t come to help us free from our Sultan. They came to butcher us all like they are doing it in Israel right now.
@@mrsosiglover7334 Independance is "bagimsizlik" ." bagimlilik" or "bagimli olmak" or " muhtac olmak" means being dependent...
let me explain further in an accident you can hear "survivor of the accident taken to hospital" translate to "kazada sag KURTULANLAR hastahaneye kaldirildi "
ayhan kardeşim bir şeyler anlatmaya çalışmışsın ama olmamış, in turkiye we do call it kurtuluş savaşı but kurtuluş isnt as the same meaning to be rescued or to survive. kurtuluş actually means to be saved, to be liberated or ,if we strech the meaning, to reach salvation. you may as well say that we werent liberated from another country or sth. and that would be true but meaning-wise it is more correct than the other. we should at least call it, even we dont have to its turkish and doesnt need to be translated, war of salvation or war of independence. survival war is just false grammer and even it was what you write was "war of survival" the correct meaning in turkish would be hayatta kalma savaşı so dont try to translate something which neither needs to be translated nor you have the skillset to translate
Some Hungarians often mention Turkey's example. Hungary did nothing to win the war, they dissolved their whole army, so the weak, sh.ty Romanian, Serbian, Czech army could annex 70% of Hungary forever. The Hungarian governemnt was also sozialist, then communist, and mainly not even Hungarian. While the Turks fought bravely for their homeland for years.
except that most of the land hungary lost was not even ethnic hungarian
@@catalyst772 I think it's true about Turkey as well. They deported millions of minorities and still have a lot of them. But in Hungary's case it doesn't count, minorities were immigrants or old minorities like the Slovakians, historically it didn't count at all.
Ottoman did the same thing as Hungary did,signed the treaty mudros and treaty of sevres,dissolved the army and accepted the defeat it was the faction "Turkish National movement" who fought against the Allies
socialists are always traitors to their nation, i never saw any exception to that. Turkish officer cadre is an independent thing, they didn't follow the orders of coward and weak politicians in İstanbul. They didn't disband their armies and fought on.
As a Turk, we should be very lucky that we have a leader like Mustafa Kemal. If it weren't for Ataturk, we would have been confined to the tiny land for turks in treaty of serves by singid official Ottoman government at that time. Fortunately, Ataturk tore up this treaty and established an armed resistance organization, creating a de facto government based in Ankara, and since he won the war, the invaders accepted the government established by Ataturk as the official government and The place of the serv agreement had to sign a new Lausanne agreement. If there wan't Atatürk, we would have to submit to the unfair treaty signed by the official government, like Hungary.
The best political leader of the 20th century, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk! He is not only a leader, but also a very good statesman, teacher and soldier. A man who attaches importance to science, art and technology. He fought against the most powerful states of the period. He replaced monarchy with democracy and passed many laws. Before many European states, women were given the right to vote and be elected. A unique man not only for the Turks but for the whole world! As we enter the 100th anniversary of our Republic, many people still remember Atatürk. If people still love and remember this man even though so many years have passed, he has a more important place than other leaders.
You are saying it like Turkey killed that many people or that many people. Like none of the invading or revolting sides didnt kill or raped a single Turk. You wouldnt belive the horrifiyng stories and acts done to Turkish people by those civilized countries.
The 6 arrow flag is the flag of the Republican People's Party which was founded after the war. It is an odd choice to represent the nationalist movement between 1919-1922. The nationalist flag was not that different from the modern turkish flag.
Also, all of the turkish flags has been used in this video is wrong. Ottoman flag was looking like today's turkish flag but with different proportions. Even the six arrow is looking to right down it has to look into right up. Most of the western content creators depicts turkish flags and icons wrong most of the time.
Both Armenians and Greek killed Turkish people. Both groups were attacking and killing Turks. Your video is biased.
Watch out for the armenians but w take
Killing a few thousand doesnt compare to the millions of greeks assyrians ans armenians that died. One is casualties of war the other is genocide
Those insects try to alter the reality, but we know that no Turkish soldier attacks groups before them attacking innocent civilians
@@deniz.7200 Litterally its funny I mean, they think Turks had time to spend their time and man power to kill Armenian civillians intentionally in a war like that lol. Thats stupid.
Yeah lets say turks did genocide
armenians didnt rebel and supported russians.
Like why? And how? If we assume this way turks which called armenians "the trustful nation" for like 3 centuries decided kill armenian "out of nowhere" while in a WAR??@@cyberdweller4366
Ataturk is one of the greatest statesmen and leader of the 20th century. Dude is a legend and a huge inspiration
What Ataturk means to me: Rational and scientific thinking, bravery and an infinite confidence, never surrendering, fine arts, poetry and music, a high sense of fashion and finesse, empowering women, always being progressive, secular humanism, rejecting absolutism, rejecting religious dogma. As an agnostic Turk these words of his always made me proud: "We are not inspired by the dogmas of the so-called holy books believed to be descended from sky, we get our inspirations directly from the nature and scientific humanist progress" Ataturk never dies. Long live Ataturk!
Atatürk Müslümandır ona atılan iftiralar umrumuzda değil.
Armenia, greece, uk and france and still surviving
As a somali
Mad respect
+ Russia, Georgia, Arabs who cooperated with the Brits and French, Ottoman Government and Turkish and Kurdish Rebels
@@user-rt5bj3pf9y georgia was fighting for their ethnic lands, turkey stole it
Don't forget Italy, Anzacs (Australia + New Zealand) and the Zionist Jews operating behind Ottoman lines.
@@Georgianmapping19283 Nope, It is not stealing, borders are drawn with wars, deal with it.
@@Georgianmapping19283 as a LAZ, cryyy about it 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Thanks to Atatürk Turkey's toll of the lost WW1 remained minimal compared to the much heavier consequences it had for Germany & Hungary with almost none Turkish majority regions ceded to the entente
Yeah, unfortunately!
@@soeppoes8949Stay, pressed!
@@soeppoes8949you are not that guy pal you are not that guy
@@soeppoes8949 SMELL OF Burnin greek butt :D :D
It wasnt. Turkeys pop was %80 refugee, %80 woman and man side of population which was %20 was sick, old, handicaped or kid. Just you knew what they did to German but not Turks...
Although the video is nice, it mishandles the issue of the Armenian problem. The Armenian problem arose when the Armenians committed terrorist acts against the people of the region to expand their lands, and the government forced them to emigrate. There is no genocide or terrorist act committed by the Turks against the Armenians. On the contrary, if this migration movement had not been carried out, the people of the region might have become enraged and launched an attack against the Armenian influence. Even though there were deaths due to the conditions during the migration period, this was a necessary migration movement and was never a genocide. This is also stated in many Turkish and foreign records. I would prefer you to be more sensitive about this issue and tell the truth with better research.
Yea right, so 1.2 million Armenians happened to " disappear " in the immigration? Seems legit.. Pretty sure you guys didn't commit any genocides and now you try to hide them under the carpet.
So around a million Armenians just vanished from eastern Anatolia around the time that the Ottoman army was "active" in the area?
@@happylad1979what about millions of turks that vanished too? why is no one talking about this?
@@eren3390Because we are the winners and people like to pick the side that got crushed the most. This video is obviously biased and you can see that by the amount of emphasis put on the supposed war crimes Turks have committed far more than those that were committed on Turks.
I'm pretty sure forced emigration is a form of genocide.
9:20 and because armenians revolted resulting in thousands of ottoman civilians deaths but what to expect from a western youtuber
During the indicated time (10:38), there were conflicts and violence in the region involving various communities, including Turks, Greeks, and Armenians. It is important to recognize that historical events are complex, and attributing responsibility solely to one group oversimplifies the reality of the situation. Multiple factors contributed to the events, and the dynamics involved were multifaceted. It is recommended to approach historical discussions with nuance and avoid making broad generalizations about any particular ethnic or national group.
The only bad thing about this video is claiming something as Armenian genocide
also the way you accused nationalist movement for killing innocent greek civilians because they had armenians, ı really lıke how you try to look neutral but u got that wikipedia sprit inside of you
Actually before the young Turks, the dominant ideology to save the downfall was "Ottomanism". When this didnt appeal to the minorities and they began revolting and killing locals around the empire, "Turkic" ideology gained importance and popularity. It is easy to see Atatürk's idelogy as tyrannic and brutal or heroic from different sides. So there should be a balance when evaluating his actions
Actually the turan ideology was forced when the young Turks overthrew sultan Abdulhamid II .
@@megalodon3655 yes. But if the ottoman ideology had been successful they would not have needed to do that. And you're also right it was forced but some people later legit supported the ideology. Also we should not forget that in many villages the turkic identify was more emphasized than an Islamic or ottomanic identity already.
@@dogukan7406 after sultan Abdulhamid II they stopped promoting ottomansim and promoted “pan Islamism” or as Muslims and myself call it Islamic unity or Muslim unity.It was after his overthrow then yeah turanism was promoted .
Bundan daha tarafsiz aciklayan ve dogru yorum gormedim
Does ittihadism look like kemalism but more nationalist or is it for me
Around 7:15, you said that the Ottoman parliament was closed because of that decree. It was Atatürk, who personally pushed for the MPs to vote for that decree knowing it would trigger them closing down the parliament by force and ending all -if any legitimacy the sultan and the Entente had. Truly genius.
Also, the french didnt just "leave" or "disappear"... huge armed public revolts forced them out. They (common citizens) were about to march on and enter Aleppo, but was stopped not to be exposed.
The population exchange with Greece was bipartial. Turks in Greece were deported as well.
There are also some evidence about the Greeks burning down a few quarters before they left İzmir. Overall, nice video but someone watching may get the idea that Greece was attacking lands they had the majority. They were either minorities or non-existent in the lands they attacked for. They commited widespread massacres in Western Turkey. Burning, razing, raping villages. It could have been better if you mentioned this part in your video.
But overall, nice work.
One of Ataturk's greatest understanding of warfare and how he shows his genius through this one line from him: "There is no 'line of defense', there's 'area of defense' and that area is whole nation." This quote from him is basically claiming all the great war era Military strategists findings are wrong. He basically says: "If you can't defend that part, retreat until you can. But if you can counter attack and take it back, why are you still standing there go take it." Not to mention the army he leads have at least fighting againts 2:1 ratio of enemy.
I don't like the way you underline Turks as "murderous" as none of the deaths were anywhere close to something that can be called a genocide. The west who murdered millions of Indians both American and Hindu, murdered millions of Africans (Leopold II) aught to refrain from accusing the Turks of any genocide. The Greek army was raping, pillaging and burning every Turkish home they could find during their retreat to Izmir. They tried that again in Cyprus and we all know how that turned out. Armenians, on the other hand, stabbed the Turks in the back during the war and they killed thousands of Turks who protected them against other militaries in their respective regions. You stab in the back, a nation who protected you for centuries, who allowed you to worship whoever you want. There were many many rich Armenians throughout the Ottoman Empire. Western powers wanted to hasten the empire's demise so they provoked all the indiginous populations living peacefully under Ottoman rule like they provoked the Arabs with Lawrence of Arabia. They never stopped doing this by the way. They've been still trying to destabilize the area by arming/funding/training Kurdish terrorists in Syria and Iraq and have them attack Turkish territory since the 1980's. All nations under Ottoman rule lived relatively peacefully for centuries and now look at Palestine, Iraq and Syria.
No one said Greeks and Armenians are angels and ofcourse they did harm the Turkish population of Asia minor, but it cant be considered a genocide and cant be compared with the Turkish acts which were organised by the government, while Armenian and Greek ones by the angry soldiers. Don't forget that they were retreating watching they homeland (asia minor) being captured by the Turks. So did Armenia when turkey invaded their new nation, and before ww1 when Russia retreated asia minor ( they felt safer under russian rule than under the ottoman one).
So the only distinction you can draw is that one act of violence was ordered by the government? What you're talking about is just empty political posturing. The government never wanted to wipe out Armenians.. if they did, they would've done that a long time ago. Ottoman Empire was crumbling and all the different ethnicities were being provoked by surrounding nations who wanted a piece of the pie. So it's really naive to say that they "felt safer" under Russian rule. They knew the empire was crumbling so some of their leaders got really nice incentives from Russians to start backstabbing. If you were an Ottoman general or government representative, how would you reacto to a group of people turning on you in a time of dire circumstances? It was just a failed rebellion on their part and deeming the events a war crime is purely politically motivated.@@xsfsdsdhen1739
@@tetefather If i was ottoman general? Well i cant imagine it. But i dont think ottomans should think the people they had enslaved for so many years would fight on their side, what would they expect...
Where the fuck are you getting this from? Enslaved? Do you even know what that means? Please.. your empty and misguided hate is getting childish. Ottomans never "enslaved" nations. Only western powers did that when they "colonized". Armenians were valued Ottoman citizens with all of their human rights INTACT. The only thing that can be considered unfair was that they were taxed more than Muslims, that's it. Even today more than half a million Armenians live in Turkey. Do not confuse Ottoman expansion with American slavery.@@xsfsdsdhen1739
Enslaved??
Ataturk didnt beat Greece, he beat all the occupation forces including Greece, England, France, Italy etc. and also inside divider groups.
He told the greek side of the war
greece was the only one doing any real fighting ,italy was on both sides yet again ,and france changed sides lol
@@wankawanka3053 Keep try coping, whole Europe kneeled before us!
@@wankawanka3053yeah greeks were the real losers in anatolia.
I'd argue Atatürk is the best leader in the world. He's a military genius and also has great ideals and during his time he has preserved great national and international relationships throughout his time. He modernized Turkey in such a short span of time it's literally unbelievable. God dammit even H*tler respected him and I'd argue it would be much harder for the nazis to start a genocidal war if he was alive.
I agree with my whole heart
Atatürk was not racist bro like H*tler, Atatürk was just love his country and did all best unlimited for protect it. If Atatürk lives to ww2 period, he might fight or do deals to H*tler, i can say that by a Turk.
@@ugurerdogan2366 He meant even Hitler respected his achievements
@@ugurerdogan2366 hocam ingilizcen var mı senin?
@@tarihimanyak9787 var az çok hocam neden sordunuz
The CUP didn’t want to Turkify the Empire, there were Greeks, Jews, Armenians and other ethnicities in the CUP, only after the coup of the CUP by the three pasha and their allies did they want to Turkify the Empire. Originally the CUP had minorities in it too.
Everybody wanted to claim the fallen ottoman lands. Greeks, arabs and armenians with the help of brits, french and italians. Also Turks did the same, the only difference they were the ones who succeeded the Ottomans not the other childeren of the ottomans.
Yep, it is such a nonsense considering CUP as Turkish nationalists! They were pro-Ottoman revolutionaries that their purpose was modernizing Ottoman while keeping it's empire status and Caliphate. Armenians were targeted simply because they rebelled as a Russian proxy in late 1914 and even Armenian PM Kajaznuni openly admits this but it is still somehow ignored..
The CUP of 1908 was very different from the CUP of 1914. They were an Ottomanist organization at first but by WWI they were going to enforce national unity through Turkification whether the empires citizens wanted to or not (most didn’t so they would die)
@@qernanded8161 Care to explain how exactly CUP was different while exactly same people were still in charge?? This is just false in every way possible, CUP was never Turkish nationalists, in fact most of them could be even called Islamists! This was why vast majority of them condenmed Turkish government established in Ankara while a handful ones who wanted to join got rejected by Ankara. It is such a laughable joke westerners completely ignore Armenian rebellion, Russian invasion of both Anatolia and Caucasus, CUP members and their plain sight intentions and fabricate ''Nationalists wanted to enforce national unity'' moronity..
@@ggoddkkiller1342 from its founding to 1908 the CUP was about two things: Ottomanism and Constitutionalism, and it was lead by Ahmed Rıza. The people that ran the CUP in 1914 were members of Osmanlı Hürriyet Cemiyeti (Ottoman Freedom Society), all identified as Turks, and were disconnected with the original founders and more concerned w territorial integrity. They turned very nationalistic and chauvinistic after the Balkan Wars. Also almost every CUP member joined Atatürk’s movement, though Atatürk was able to cultivate a couple İtilâfists too.
The video is very good, but the only problem is that we massacred the Armenians and Greeks because they massacred the Turks.. You never mentioned that they massacred us. I liked and subscribed you.
In my humble opinion this video is little bit far from objectivity .Armenians and Greeks are not the only nations suffering. Turks suffered the same pain at that time. Armenian and Greeks genocide, war crimes and rape in many turkish villages... You cannot portray the things that both sides did to each other as if only the Turks did it.
We call it typical westerner hypocrisy
They try to underestimate and ignore the injustices and genocides suffered by Turks, Muslims or other nations they see as Eastern. Even though they have done many times more than the nations they blame. Most of the time they do this insidiously, sometimes openly.
And how many turks died? Few thousand maybe to the tens of thousands which is terrible and a crime. Now how many greeks armenians and assyrians died? About 2 million you cant compare the numbers
@@user-en6be3cw8l you are so one-sided... numbars of turks died is not a ten or few thousend. Its millions like the others. As I said you cannot portray the things that both sides did to each other as if only the Turks did it. If you not agree with me stop looking the greek and armanian wiki sources and start looking turkish wiki sources too..
@@tal7830 Millions of turkish civilians died in ww1. Not in the greco turkish war in which about 30k turk civilians were killed along side that another 30k in the population exchange. If we were talking about ww1 then you would be correct. At the same time the greek civilians killed at that war was about 150k mpst of which came from the destruction of smyrna by the turkish army. I am not denying that turkish massacres did happen but they werent in the same scale as the genocides they inflicted
Enver wasnt assasinated by armenians he died fighting in Afghanistan against the red army
afganistanda deil ozbekistan ya da turkmenistanda
The French in the south didn´t just leave, they were driven out.
*Few fun facts that were not present in the video:*
Italy left as a response to Greek advances deeper into anatolia and British support of it. Which was promised to Italy. They even left their guns behind for Turkish troops to utilize.
French didnt simply ''leave''. They tried to fight Turks initially, lost the land of today's Turkey (with the exception of Hatay) and called a truce *after* that.
Armenia was supported by Russians prior to WW1 and during it. Armenian - Turk war was not as one sided as you claim it to be.
Also, you placed Armenian genocide 15 years into the future, which makes it look like it was the new governments deed.
Armenians were not carved up by Turks and Soviets. They were supported by British with guns, lost the war against Turkey during the independence war, wrote a peace treaty with Turkey and lost the guns they had gained from British. Turkey recognized the new state in caucasus as Armenia, Only for Russians to later invade it.
Communist Russia *did* support the new assembly by providing guns and helping transport Azerbaijan's Gold. They were hoping for a communist regime however.
India had good relations with the Grand Assembly. They even refused the call to send troops in, and have been officially against the war.
Azerbaijan sent gold to Turkey in the hopes of alleviating economic crisis and aiding the war effort. Which is one of the core reasons both nations have strong relations even today.
Greek megali-idea was initially supported by British, however Greeks refused to stop at their claimed territories and moved further into Anatolia. Causing for Grand Assembly to unite more people and garner support. Italy left due to this, Nobody was happy, including Greeks at home who saw the entire war after the first year as pointless.
Both Greece and Turkey have commited war crimes against civillians during this war. Both accepted it, Greeks have officially accepted it with Britain at the very start of Lausenne treaty. However, no compensation was given due to Greek economic crisis.
Both Greece and Turkey became great allies until the cold war. Their application to join NATO was a joint one, although Turkey was required to send troops to Korea *prior* to this.
Their EU membership was also supposed to be a joint application, however Turkish internal issues and coup alinated Greece and forced them to apply on their own.
Both countries had guarantee over Cyprus with British as the mediatery.
Both countries acknowledged the terrorism on Cyprus and Turkey has been on talks for a decade prior to invasion.
Turkey's initial intervention on Cyprus was, under international law, legal due to the guarantee. It was the second invasion people mistake for, where Turkish troops did not leave the island to this day.
I undrstand why people think there was an Armenian genocide but claiming a greek genocide is insane. Especially if you also don't claim greeks did turkish genocides.
It's not "Kamal", it's Kemal.
Kamal, not Kemal
Sus lan dallama @@can3619
@@can3619 First it was Kamal then changed to Kemal.
@@yigithan3713 But has it been changed?
@@can3619 always has been.
It's a bit funny, it is mentioned that there was an Armenian genocide, which there is no proven data, but there is no mention of the Armenians raiding the nearby Turkish villages with the weapon support of the Russians, raping the women and tearing the pregnant women's bellies to pieces. Later, of course, the Turks, strengthened with the support of Kuvayi Milliye (National Forces), responded. If this is considered a genocide, and you are talking about a country that is our neighbor and has an existing country right now, since the exact same thing was done to the Turks, what was done to us was also a genocide. I also have to add that although we offered to Armenia a few years ago that we would open our archives and that the archives of countries such as Armenia, England and France should be opened and investigated whether there was such a genocide or not, it was not accepted. Thank you for the historical information, even if it is biased and inaccurate.
As a Greek I still don’t understand how we lost at Sakarya it’s mind blowing we had better numbers but Atatürk was a genius I guess
Our best Rivals 🇬🇷🤝🇹🇷
Your army was not incompetent. Ataturk was truly a genius. He was also a great gentleman. As he passed among the dead Greek soldiers, he mourned them instead of celebrating the victory. He collected the fallen Greek flags. According to him, one could not set foot on a nation's flag. The captured Greek commander-in-chief said to Trikupis: "You are our guest. Don't worry, general, you did your best." With respect from the friendly and brotherly Turkish people to the Greek people. I hope we never fight again.
so many reasons we can list but all of them are military reason. for example the geograpy of battle. this place choosen by atatürk. he withdraw to sakarya river so it will harden the supply for greeks. he choose fight for area not for line. and this is really futuristic for that time. even greek army think he is crazy and it will be end of turks.
I wouldn't even see Greece as a rival of Turkey considering they were both played by western powers. I hope the hatred of extremists can be overcome by the idea of brotherhood between the two, similar, peoples.
Πιθανότατα είχαν καλύτερη στρατηγική λόγω πλεονεκτήματος του εδάφους τους. Βέβαια αν δεν κάνω λάθος αυτός είναι ποταμός κοντά στην Άγκυρα. Λάθος μεγάλο των δικών μας στρατηγών, ήθελαν να κάνουν εισβολή στην πρωτεύουσα τους (κατα 99% όταν καταλαμβάνεται η πρωτεύουσα από εχθρούς, σηματοδοτείται το τέλος του πολέμου). Έπρεπε ο Βενιζέλος και οι υπόλοιποι να συνθηκολογήσουν με την πρώτη ευκαιρία όταν πήραν πίσω μερικά εδάφη της Μικράς Ασίας. Υγεία…
Love Greece from Türkiye 🇹🇷🇬🇷
Before blame Turk's for armanian deaths, you should consider telling what activities armanian terror groups were doing at that time.
Erik Jan Zürcher's influence can be felt in this video. I am not going to spend a single minute to Turk hater viewers, but the creator should change its resources.
What do you mean?
My sources predate Zürcher. You can check them out in the description.
@khouyal3chiri197 Erik Jan Zürcher is a Turkologist who hold views that are quite mainstream in western academia, but not popular among a lot of Turks.
@@LookBackHistory like recognizing the armenian genocide?
@@khouyal3chiri197 Not really. He downplays Turkish Revolution by claiming it was a continuum from Union and Progress to CHP.
And he is not that popular in the West. Whereas Turks gave him a medal and highschools use his books.
As a Turk,I can agree that Atatürk is the best. I was crying all day long when it was 10th or November,2 days ago..
I Love how a western people teach and mention only Armenian and Greek genocide (which is happend btw) but not the Turkish and Caucasian genocide which happend nearly few years erliear. Tell me why you didnt mention when the greek army begun the offence and litteraly cleaning the turkish villiges during the War of Independence greeks killed 640.000 Turks (British esteemd), French and Armenian troops killed tens of tousands Turks too. During the collapse nearly 4 million Turks and Muslims (2.5 million from balkans, 1 million in Anatolia and nearly half a million in caucauses) persecuted by westerners.
YAŞA MUSTAFA KEMAL PAŞA YAŞA YÜCE TÜRK MİLLETİ
Turks did not commit genocide against anyone, they only defended their own lands 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
I belive people hate us becouse they just cant stand people they hate get what they deserve. we do not want to be enemies with anyone. We fought for our independence and won. Just cope with the past. And we could be friends.
They can’t cope sadly bro… they’re stuck 1000 years back when their countries were empires whilst we were still only beginning to enter anatolia. If they were able to cope, then maybe peace would be established tbh
@@ThatRandomTurk ironic coming from a turk and their ottoman dreams to this day lol ask erdogan and his views on said matter ;)
@@wankawanka3053 Because you think we like erdogan? Do not speak for turkey without knowing what we think of our government. 60-70% of our people hate him, the remaining 30-40% being uneducated people, elderly people, refugees and islamic extremists. We want a modern government who allows freedom of speech without getting punished.
@@wankawanka3053erdogan does not represent turks’ dream, he is a political manifester.
@@ThatRandomTurk Can you guys cope with the fact you monsters massacred million of innocent Armenians and currently still carry out an ethnic cleansing against the Kurd? Good to know you guys feel proud to be war criminals.
I think ATATÜRK is GOAT
Bro xd
Waht dhdhududud
Kind of one sided video and lacking important details but I expect nothing less from a Western channel. The Greeks still crying under all these video's is also very entertaining.
why the fuck they would spend their time and bullets killing innocent people instead of dealing with the major powers?? It makes no sense.
Wrong description and title, “independence”…. Colonized countries can can make “ war of independence”Turkey is never been colonized. But yeah some part of the country have been occupied just like France during WW2 by Germans.. What happened after WW1 about Turks was an after-math-war to keep the sovereignty of the nation and regain the occupied parts of mainland. This is called Kurtuluş Savaşı in Turkish language and war of independence is not a correct translation. The more accurate words can be Liberty War.
Greeks were very naive; it had not fought any war for 2000 years. How on earth they thought to fight against battle hardened Turks who have been fighting incessantly for years. French and Italians are childish too; they thought they would just grab the Turkish heartland. Yet they were more clever than Greeks. Seeing the fierce Turkish resistance they left the area they invaded very quickly. But Greeks continued to invade into Anatolia. At the end they were perished and slained by ottoman Turks and the ones left fled back to Greece. The instigator of all this invasion, UK, had tried a bit more but they gave up to. Arrogant English now have only a small island left..
Video is missing Genocides of Turks from Armenians Armed groups and Greece Faschist King and Orthodox Army.Turkish people never forget their ancestors life and blood.
Turkey is slowly becoming my favourite country. If it wasn't for the Mustafa Kemal Ataturk Turkey wouldn't be the country it is today.
What makes Ataturk valuable is not his military successes. There are many commanders in Turkish history who are much more successful than Ataturk. The real reason why Ataturk was so important in Turkey was his ideology, which was his greatest legacy. Today, some Turkish youth still embrace this ideology called Kemalism. Even though the current government is far from this ideology, there are 15-20% of people in Turkey who embrace true Kemalism.
As a Turk.There is missing information here, but it is still very nice presentation
Just another biased *documentary* like any other on youtube to promote this so called armenian and greek genocide meanwhile whitewash their atrocities in anatolia.
Not trying to justify what happened 100 years ago but I wonder why you never mentioned Armenians or Greek killing thousands of Turks in Smyrna and Anatolia during the war. Do you know how many suffered, how many women was raped and how many lost their houses/villages? You always have to approach the historical events from both sides but typical Western hypocrisy I guess :)
Also I would like to add a little known fact. As far as I know the name Atatürk does not means father of the Turks . The word Ata means something like Ancestor or forefather and the surname Ataturk actually mean The Turkic race is Ancestral. Even Turkish people doesn’t know this.
it means both
Yes it means both
As it's previously said before, "ata" both means father and ancestor. Also, the argument "the Turkic race is ancestoral" does not fits Atatürk's ideology. For him; being a Turkish is only defined by feeling and speaking Turkish as he famously said "how happy is the one who says 'I am a Turk'". Another matter of fact is Turkish nationality or nationalism never based on biological ancestry throughout history, for Turks accepted assimilated people as one of them and getting married to a non-turk has always been a welcoming thing to do in Turkish society. For example: European children who got taken by Ottomans from their families were never encountered racism after they converted to Islam and become "Turks", in fact most of them lived very prestigous lives(only after they were forced to forget about their roots). I also want to state that this does not means that the Turks were/are not racist, this culture actually make Turks more tend to racism because they expect minorities to submit themselves to Turkish culture, forget their original cultures and become Turks themselves, but they(Turks) were never xenophobic(ancestral/genetics based racism). Long story short; I don't agree your comment 😅
enver pasha didnt die to armenians, he died in russia. he wanted to rebel against the russians with the turkic people that lived in russia (kazakhstan, uzbekistan etc.) but unfortunately the russians knew they were plotting against them so the russians raided where the turks and enver pasha lived and they exiled enver pasha (i think this is the story).
It seems you also couldn't escape from populism. Armenians, Greeks etc. As if you have to say that word about Turkiye. Why don't you guys NEVER look at what they did to Turkish civilians in Balkans & Anatolia for a change? Greeks were a bunch of kids brainwashed by the ultranationalist ideas that claiming the once assumed lands they don't have a bond anymore. Also Armenians were always received great care in Ottoman Empire and many had respectable jobs and influence. However they jump into the nationalist train imposed by self-serving imperialist powers to use them against Turks just like they did with Greeks and Arabs. But Armenians added the treason and stab in the back to to list by hitting the Ottoman Army behind the frontlines while they were fighting Russians in Caucasus. Spreading chaos in Anatolia and massacring not only the Turks but also Kurds, Arabs and other minorities, villagers. After all these events, look at the region and ask yourself. Who benefitted the most and do people truly satisfied by the destruction of their empire? No. It is easy to blame Turks because it is what sold the most in your little world called the "west" nowadays.
Another amazing video
A very good question is, why did Greece give up Eastern Thrace? The answer is that the British forced them to, after coming to an agreement with Turkey on how the Straights would be run as part of Turkey. They thought it would be impossible for them to impose those terms if both countries controlled the narrow passage
Thank you SO MUCH, I've been thinking about this for so long!
Greeks had been fooled by the British. They were used as soldiers to fight for the gains of the foreigners. They shouldn't have trusted the British. In the end, what did we achieve? Nothing but death. Nothing but a still lasting hatred towards each other. The British couldn't achieve their ultimate goals too. But oh well, they just played a game and lost. But us? We killed each other for their game.. I wish for the issues to resolve and Eagen to become a friendly sea between us like It used to be under Atatürk's regime as he had good relations with Greece. "Peace at home, peace in the world" May he rest in peace.
@@isimbulamadm7972 Yes, I absolutely agree 👍 Yurtta sulh cihanda sulh. Yunanistan'dan selam 👋🇬🇷🤝🇹🇷
@@georgios_5342 Χαιρετισμούς από την Τουρκία, ζήτω η ειρήνη! 🇹🇷 ♥🇬🇷
@@isimbulamadm7972 mesajın çok güzel 🙃 Ben bir yıl önce Türkçe öğrenmeyi başladım, sen Yunanca biliyor musun?
Turkey won cuz turkish people instead of feeding themselves they fed the army
The one that got away. It's crazy how they had enough manpower to still fight after this must not have been Fighting as hard as the other Central Powers or it was just better leadership on their side.
I don't think the difference is raw manpower, but rather motivation.
for turks it was simply a fight for survival
while for greeks it was offensive war with two different factions
@@LookBackHistory like the Sikhs against the Afghans?
over 25% of the Ottoman population died in WW1 and the independence war afterwards, the highest out of all factions. This is somehow barely reported upon.
@@exarder1377 are you just shitting up from your ass or including the ethnic cleansing campaign of roaches?
Thought it was a well made video until realising how great emphasis was only put on atrocities committed by the Turks rather than those that were committed on Turks by the invaders as well.
hard to care for the invaders if you know what i mean
@@wankawanka3053 Nah, I don't know what you mean, greek boy.
Pulling back to Ankara and moving turkish soldiers to back was part of mustafa Kemal strategy. He move back and get advantage of rocky montain and geographic knowledge of central turkey.
Greeks are get far and far from their supplies which is in see cost.
Ataturk was disadvantages for armed forces.
He war with his faith an genius strategy. And the flag you use for representing Ataturk is nice detail. It is Türkiye's first politic party flag and each arrow symbolizes his principles the one of them secularism, which is help Turkey’s modern revolution.
The video is very good, but you are still wrong about the part where genocide was committed.
If genocide was committed, it was done by Armenians and Greeks to Turks.
Kazim Karabekir says about the war against the Armenians: "No one is talking about betrayal, except one person. The Prime Minister of the Armenians, Ovanes Kachaznuni, says yes, the Ottomans were right in the deportation. Because we betrayed it."
If we come to the Greeks, think of Izmir, it was badly damaged. Although the majority there were Turks, the promised "Wilson Principles" did not come into play.
The empire itself was already secular and divided long before ww1. Peace only remained eith tje Christians when treaty of Umar was followed. Sultan abolished jizyah in 1856.
Why you guys never said how many turkish civlillans killed by the others but when turks make something saying with exaggerating. 1915-23 1 million CIVILLAN turks were killed by armenian and greek forces im not included the army. from 1821 to 1923 this number goes up to 3.5 million turks - jews - kurds and another muslims. they both killed by balkan pact and armenian forces
Turkey and turk went true a lots of hard time and still going but they very strong people and goverment 🐺
Enver Pasha did not assasinated by Armanians he died in battle... Many things in the video is false or missinformed.
Atatürk was a skillful commander, who beat the Greece even though he was outnumbered against the Greece.
As a Armenian Turks beat our ass pretty bad
We are sorry for hundreds of thousands of armenians died during deportation and rebellions of armenian-russian forces and also turkish rebellions. Unfortunatelly 6 million people died including armenians, turks, greeks, kurds and others whether christian or muslim. Even though we fought in the past we neither hate greeks nor armenians.
great video but chronology is a bit fucked up sakarya war happened earlier armenian incident was much earlier when ataturk was in gallipoli and there was no ankara government also you mentioned ethnic cleansing of greeks but greeks who left anatolia in population exchange were more than double the turks who came in from greece homogeny of our cultures is because of that both in greece and turkey
I dont really make comments to videos but that armenian part in 9th minute bugged me out.Let me tell you what happened.Armenians started seeking independence like other balkan countries just before the WWI.They raided so many turkish villages with the support of Russians(guns&manpower).After those events Ottoman goverment wanted to take Armenians somewhere safe because they knew there would be counter attack so when they are moving to somewhere close to Iran,the convoys got attacked,armenians being killed along with ottoman officers but there is no way 2 million armenians being killed.They are not even 2 Million today with the wellfare of 21th century.I cant really understand how you feel comfortable while giving misinformation,your words are highly biased.I guess you have armenian background.Reported for misinformation.GOOD DAY
Because he was superior in leadership skills, intelligence, psychology, courage, military skills, moral, humanity and any other skills to ALL the leaders of those entente countries...
false information about armenians. only armenian sources says that numbers. sided.
4:54 Not all three was assassinated. Enver Pasha died in a war in Central Asia.
Mustafa kemal had the balls of uranium-iron dioxide
there are no hopeless situations, there are hopeless people
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk .
Father of the turks . father of the kemalism
Very good analysis!!
Thanks! Check out my sources in the description.
Constantinople was never Greek. Medievil Greek (romaic) speaking, yes. But it was always officially Roman (and held by ppl who self-identified as Roman) until it was taken by the Ottomans.
Same people, and the area was Greek even before they became Romans. It wasn't just Constantinople that was Greek, all of Anatolia was. Greeks self-identified as Romans because they were Romans, who lived in the Roman Empire speaking the languange of the Romans which became greek after the west fell.
@@mwvidz324 "all of Anatolia was Greek" is a gross over-exaggeration. There are too many fake maps on social media pushing that notion. But agreed on the rest, they spent more time identifying as Roman than anything else. And Greece can never claim Constantinople because it was politically always from an era of history that most of the modern ones either reject or try to re-write there history as 'never was Roman'.
@@DrRomaioi It isn't any more gross over-exaggeration than saying all of it is Turkish now.
@@mwvidz324 there were all kinds of races present, even before the Greeks got there. A tiny bit of home work would show it. People keep forgetting the (Eastern) Roman empire was extremely polygot.
@@DrRomaioi Yeah, there were also all kinds of people before Turks got there, most of them being Greek.
Atatürk is one of the reasons that tunisia gained independence
how so
I agree with the atrocities committed by the Turks on the Armenian issue (a Turk would also oppose this). However, this is not something done unilaterally. In other words, no one said to the Armenians, "Oh, let's kill this Armenian" for no reason. Armenians and their supporters may be triggered, but I don't really care, Armenians were not that "threatening" country for us. The problem is, if you attack the innocent people of a country at war, while they are unarmed and without soldiers, you will receive a response. You will not cry the moment you are exposed to the response.
For example, how did the Ottoman Empire grow so much? Have you ever thought ? He was implementing a policy called "İŞKAN". When the Ottomans conquered a region, they settled their own people there. In our understanding, there is no passion for killing innocent people and changing their religion/belief. Take a good look at the areas controlled by the Ottoman Empire; the language, belief and culture of not a single region has been changed. Likewise, look at African countries and colonial countries and you will understand the difference.
Well, many Turks were settled in the Balkan region due to the "İŞKAN" policy. What do you think happened to those Turks in the lost wars and uprisings there? Do you think all of those Balkan countries were angels of goodness and sent people back to our country, or did they do something else?
What do you think the Greeks (believe me, I have no problems with the Greeks, I love them) did to the Turks in their own country when they won the war and prepared to land in Izmir? Have you ever wondered this? Or will we accept such a thing as if it "never happened"?
I don't have even a single grudge/hate towards Armenians, I am against hypocrisy. The Turks have acted wrongly, but it irritates me that they do not do this when we say "we showed the massacres of our own people and their cemeteries, now you show them". I want people who are impartial about these issues to make this comment themselves.
Do you think this is fair?
Respekt an die osmanische Regierung, alle Länder sprechen ihre Sprachen und haben noch ihre Kulturen, und hatten keinen sklaven
First of all the ships who bombed the russian docks not the ottoman ships ottoman get the ship in the country because ship was casing by some hostail ships and we decided save them and change the ships name yavuz and midili and put the ottoman flag on the ships but we didnt change the crew than the crew decided make bombardment the russian pords and the russian saw the ottoman flag thats how ottoman get into the fight
Because Ataturk was him, that's it ❤️🇹🇷
Even in exaggerated Church declerations, Armenian population in Anatolia never have been exceeded 1.29 million. Some Armenian population(i.e not those in İstanbul or Izmir etc.), for protection purposes, isolated from Anatolia for a three year limited period as locating them in Syria, Lebanon and the land after named Armenia(by the help of SSCB). Total losses of Armenian, including diseases and natural deaths of old people during this period was below 56.000 (or less than 0.5 %) , much lower than the death rate of Turkic population. Some LOCAL clashes occured, some Kürts/Türks and Armenians killed each other but those prevented by the government before turning into a mass movement. There was never a systematic depopulatisation. After war, Armenians had the right to come back for their land without any resistance. A substantial amount of them came back also.
Sadly this was quite biased, for example it was Armenia which declared war on Turkey in 1920 not other way around! If you read the manifesto of first Armenian PM Kajaznuni he states it was them who started the war crystal clear, he even adds Turkish government in Ankara wanted to confer but they refused believing they were going to win! He also talks about their rebellion against Ottoman during WW1 and adds they were a Russian proxy and began preparations for their rebellion even before Ottoman joined WW1. But Armenian rebellion is once again completely absent in the video and told like Ottoman targeted ''peaceful'' Armenians all of sudden. It was Greeks and Armenians who were attacking Turks for capturing back their ''ancestral lands'' which were Turkish majority for hundreds of years including even Smyrna, Kars and Constantinople. And for this exactly reason atrocities against Muslim population was quite common from Balkans to Anatolia, according to Entente sources over 300,000 Muslim civilians were killed in Anatolia but it is once again downplayed! Westerners might try to rewrite history as much as they like they can not change historical facts and as long as wrongdoings of one side is completely ignored or even whitewashed like ''Armenian resistance'' Turkey will never accept any wrongdoings as well, it is just that simple..
Ah a Turk denying the Armenian genocide, and the traditional "it didn't happen, but if it did they deserved it" response at that too, just like a moth to a flame
@@AJPitty Ah a ''neutral'' westerner acting like Christian lives are more important than Muslim lives! Or perhaps you have no idea about history, let me help you:
German civilians who were killed during Holocaust? ZERO..
Russian civilians who were killed during Circassian genocide? ZERO..
Turkish civilians who were killed during so called Armenian genocide? HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS..
Care to explain how exactly that works, huh? And before you claim according to Turkish sources there were such Turkish civilian casualties it is according to ENTENTE sources over 300,000 Turkish civilians were killed in Anatolia!! Such humanist people you are completely ignoring or even whitewashing atrocities as ''Armenian resistance''. When you actually stop acting biased while both recognizing and condemning all atrocities against humanity we will join you! But sadly despite your empty talks there isn't a single western country which recognized it's atrocities against tens of millions of Africans, Native Americans, Indians, Asians, Aboriginal people so far! So lets keep our hopes minimal, shall we, after all you are just a bunch of clowns with humanism masks..
Ah a Westerner who calls everything a genocide except the events that took place in their own histories and contributed to the enrichment of Western countries. For instance, while colonizing almost everywhere from Africa to the even tiny islands in the Pacific, the Westerners, which caused the death of millions, continues to give lessons on genocide. The traditional example of "western hypocrisy" appeared with your comment, just like a moth to a flame :)
@@AJPitty Somebody can’t read past certain elementary school levels, can they?
Greece and Turkey are brothers!!!! ❤❤❤ 🇬🇷 🇹🇷
Indeed brother, have a nice day ❤️
Cheers to you, mate.❤️
No but we love all innocent peoples
I wonder how much DNA Greeks and Turks have in common. I imagine the majority of the Turk’s ancestors were Anatolian pagan and Christians before they mixed with Turkic settlers from the east.
@@cjc2 its true we are not look like the central asians
"Lion fighting a group of hyenas around him" Lion still won 😁
Sorry but i think you may have looked a little biased at some specific points, you say that both sides killed civillians but for some reason you talked about Turkish nationalism more than Greeks' which i mean makes sense considering that the video is about Turkish War of Independence though I cant help myself but think about this "genocide" topic being pretty sensitive so it shouldn't be explained one-sided. I believe both sides had killed innocent lives more or less, and just because the other had caused more damage shouldn't make the other one right or in this case to be looked down upon.
Sheer will.
This comment section is a dumpster fire
04:55 Enver Pasha did not die due to Armenian assassination. He died fighting against the Russians in Turkestan on August 4, 1922.
so proud!
i was looking for anyone to say something about the lies of genocide and none. As a Turk i need to say we don't accept those lies.(People may died under sircumstances of war bu it wasn't a genocide. At least can't even be comparable with what they did to Turkish people)