Discussing Free Speech and Academia | The Cancelling Of American Minds With Greg Lukianoff
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A Note From Lawrence:
Greg Lukianoff is a First Amendment lawyer by training. During his education he began to see how, even among organizations ostensibly created to help protect free speech, how actual free speech was improperly being conflated with harassment or bullying. When he went to work as a legal director of the nascent Foundation for Individual Rights in Education in around 2000, he quickly discovered that in academia, the one place where free speech and open inquiry should be valued above all else, actual free speech was under attack. In the intervening two decades, during which he rose to become director of that Foundation, now renamed to encompass the fact that the attacks on free speech that began in academia have proliferated throughout our society, he has actively worked to fight these attacks. Beyond his legal work, he has become a prolific writer. His 2018 book, co-written with Jonathan Haidt, entitled The Coddling of the American Mind, was influential in encouraging debate and discussion regarding the origins of the victimization mentality that was becoming prevalent in Western Society.
I have been admirer of Greg’s for some time, and have wanted to have a dialogue with him on the podcast. This year, with Rikki Schlott, Greg published The Canelling of the American Mind: How Cancel Culture Undermines Trust, Destroys Institutions and Threatens us All, and it provided us the ideal opportunity to get together to discuss both his own personal experiences , and also the general concerns we both have about the issues that form the heart of the new book.
What followed was a fascinating conversation about issues we should all care about. Regular readers of Critical Mass and listeners to The Origins Podcast will be aware of some of the examples and concerns we discussed, but I expect will nevertheless be surprised by the ubiquitous infiltration of cancel culture ideas into our society. We actually begin by defining Cancel Culture, a term that has often been misused and misunderstood in the popular media, and then discuss a variety of examples, before closing with a brief discussion of the ways that we can possibly combat it to produce a more tolerant, democratic society, and to save higher education as well. I hope you are provoked, enlightened, and energized by the conversation.
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Thank you both Greg and Lawrence for sharing your time and work, peace
Good evening Lawrence and Greg
Again super grateful for your shared conversation.
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There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge. Isaac Asimov.
Then why didn't that jew go back to Russia?
@yuntakukai1002 The irony of your disgusting response almost makes it funny. Sure does sum up the state of America right now. Almost a fascist state.
Thank you. At least some are still sane.
Excellent
Love the work Greg is doing. Absolutely awesome.
" Academic leaders and Business leaders are really the central part of this problem..." -Lawrence
Thank you, gentlemen. Can someone please provide links to the four court cases, as I wish to review them. I knew of a couple, remembered them from a law class, but am interested in the loyalty oath case.
Love ya LK.
Great talk! Thank you for sharing this:)
Very interesting discussion.
Please interview Jeffrey Sachs and Lawrence Wright
Excellent discussion. I feel like autodidacts have the advantage. The world at your fingertips. However, visiting academia is fulfilling. There are people who are as enthusiastic as you.
Somehow, a degree has come semi-circle. Trades used to be the dismissed. Now if you are a quality tradesman and salesman, you can make more than an ivy league grad easily.
Meanwhile a college degree limits your options to some extent in an environment where there is so much expendability because everyone can do it to a greater or lesser extent. Exceptions abound who are the ones in the right place at the right time with the right relationships and or any of them.
01:35:10 To be fair, the only books the right want banned are specific to the location and topic ,namely books aimed at children.
Greg, what universities have College Student Development and Administration Masters and PhD programs? I am aware of the University of Wisconsin La Crosse, but where are these institutions, is there a list?
It's one thing to study Jung, Kohlberg, and Chickering as development theory. It's quite another to study Kendi and DiAngelo.
Universities have become like the movie animal house except admin is the animal
The head tracking is dizzying, while cool it needs better settings. Thanks!
Is this a function of Apple Center Stage? It's a little annoying, for sure.
I may be paraphrasing, but the statement that:
"the most important thing is... _'awe and doubt'_ "
is a beautiful summary of the human condition.
It captures the essence of humanity, both spiritual and rational.
You should have both, they both reflect deep feelings we all have,
but they are in opposition, and we should all feel that tension.
Science could be described as the _religion of doubt._
The only fundamental truth is doubt of any truth.
No individual is capable of establishing objective truth.
Science is a community that follows not-obviously-false ideas.
In the end, we can feel awe and love, and take it to our heart,
but not make shallow claims that our feelings are universal.
Inside, the awe dominates, but outside the doubt must reign supreme.
I like how the camera tries so hard to give us a better view of Lawrence's magnificent shiny calvity.
It is quite saddening to hear about this situation in modern western societies, being from the UK this doesn't seem as prominent but of course I am aware this is still very strongly apparent here too. But I'm always thankful to Lawrence and his many amazing guests helping to spread free education, humility and rational thought across the world.
"quite saddening to hear about this situation in modern western societies, being from the UK this doesn't seem as prominent"
Good joke 😄
@@yuntakukai1002 It wasn't a joke.
@@KeelanJon I'm thinking it was a sarcastic way of stating that they disagree and it is actually as prevalent here in the UK.
I, as another UK individual, would agree with the sarcastic remark.
Although I probably would have chosen a less condescending way to disagree.
Something more like this;
The Tory party seem to have forgotten the "conservatory" origin of their name and adopted diversity inclusion and equity measures as a matter of policy.
The education department are also being taken to court regarding their "far left" educational "teachings" that seem to have crept into schools.
It would seem the "mind virus" of "postmodernism" seems to have infected the political system of the UK as well.
Just have a look at the things Jeremy Hunt has been saying and the "backlash" at his diversity and inclusion "spending"
For an example of "cancel culture", Graham Linehan.
do an interview with neil degrasse tyson ,. he has embraced the ideoligy and has gone full woke
1:08:54 no you're lying, majority of people are not pro-israel. and you know it.
57:30 "[Student protestors against Sam Abrams at Sarah Lawrence College] take over the President's office...which by the way, I think was another case where it was catered." Hahaha, a catered event!
Krauss defended Epstein as the financier tried to restore his reputation after his release from jail " I don't feel tarnished in any way by my relationship with Jeffrey. I feel raised by it. " After Epstein's release, krauss took his money to bankroll the origins project at Arizona state university. Epstein on record gave krauss $250,000 nevermind what he gave off record
Shredder on a full court press.
Rules that can be set aside. Just a list
Wake me up when its over
Thought you were woke.
Pain creates memory. Permanant
“Addressing hate speech does not mean limiting or prohibiting freedom of speech. It means keeping hate speech from escalating into something more dangerous, particularly incitement to discrimination, hostility and violence, which is prohibited under international law.”
- United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres, May 2019
That’s like arresting people before they commit a crime. How do you keep hate speech from escalating without limiting it? The only way is with more speech - arguing convincingly against the hateful speech.
@@karagi101Yes, that totally worked on Weimar Germany and Rwanda. The answer to violence inciting proto Nazi newspapers and tribalist talk radio is more speech.
Even if humanity saw the same patterns repeat over and over again that lead to large scale mass killing, free speech is more important than hundreds of children and adult noncombatants being sadistically murdered.
Incitement is the key
@@Locrian08 We have laws criminalizing imminent threats of violence against a person (and in most countries, violence against particular groups based on sexual orientation, sex, nationality, skin colour, religion,…). Violence means physical violence btw.
Guterres has a lot of experience when it comes to saying dumb things.
God Lawrence likes to talk too much. Brutal.
Are you addressing the behavior of the former president, now that you’ve entered the political fray as well as members of Congress? They’re powerful too.
The teachers of black Americans should focus on making good grades something to be proud of or sexy instead of nerdy.
If they were pirates we would already be dead.
42:04 to 42:35
Perhaps it’s being a jerk to someone who is constantly being jerked around for being who they are i.e. being short
You seem to be looking at this from the jerks POV and not the POV of the targeted person
trash amazon adverts appear before the video and trash follows through and through...
Sorry But to me its fact since 1989. Can not "recant" because of actual pain. Time Looped. of course
As an emigrant from the US, it’s clear that US culture and institutions are thoroughly diseased by Dishonesty, Inauthenticity, Insecurity, Cowardice, and micro Power-Trips. These viruses are highly corrosive and dangerous. People who stay and resist and reform, as Lukianoff does, are admirable.
Jews
Unfortunately, a lot of the things mentioned here are also problems in Canada, the UK, and to some extent, other parts of Western Europe.
I've listened to enough of this bullshit.
God, this is idiotic.