New Zealand rugby pundits react to the Springboks thrashing the All Blacks | The Breakdown
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As a South African I appreciate the humility our Supersport pundits have. New Zealand pundits' arrogance is annoying. I want France to beat the Brakes off the All Blacks to shut these people up.
Humility? Sarcasm, right ?
You dream . All Blacks won’t lose twice
@@drisszyani3497remember how the Irish beat them twice in NZ?
SA pundits humble? Hahahahahaha
Please guys play nice. AB and Boks are brothers. Rugby is a game that creates brotherhood around the world. I’m South African and personally love the ABs and their brand of the game. Let’s keep it civil. I think the ABs will go very very far in the tournament, maybe even take the crown. Who knows though! What an amazing tournament awaits.
Pundits could learn a little from the humility the players showed after the defeat.
LOL. Hell would freeze over first.
A humble All Black 🤣🤣🤣
They were their own worst enemies. Scott Barrett's IQ is clearly a bit below par. He blatantly led with his should onto a player who was retreating on the ground. There was ZERO MITIGATION for that. Nobody moved into his line and it was a dangerous action. Does it first need to be a fractured neck before an All Black gets properly sanctioned?
The reasons that he got off lightly are:
1) He is an All Black and "World Rugby" needs them to be in the knock outs for money-spinning purposes.
2) The All Blacks are one of the serious contenders for the World Cup and if they lose Barrett they are too lacking in depth at lock to be serious contenders.
If it were the reverse with a Springbok doing that to an All Black it would have been an immediate red. Recall Bismarck du Plessis's LEGITIMATE tackle on Dan Carter a few years ago that got an immediate red? Even the Kiwi commentators on that one were saying that it was poor refereeing and it was a legitimate tackle.
Now we have a review system and they STILL get it wrong. The lost IRB farts sitting in the boardroom calling themselves "World Rugby" are destroying this game. Over the next decade, I expect viewership to drop dramatically as a result of these farcical antics. Why not just introduce a handicap system up front instead. Then at least their agendas are transparent.
I suspect that I will stop following the World Cup early this year due to "World Rugby" creating another farce as they did in 2019 where they disrespected the smaller nations. Likely to be more exciting golf being broadcast anyway. Nobody needs "World Rugby" BS.
@@juanwiese3273 never seen a humble saffa is well
I'm an All Blacks supporter but we just weren't that good lol. Be humble
Been a all black all my life but I really don't like the arrogance of these pundits sometimes. Take a loss on the chin we were outplayed boks played brilliantly fair play to them.
I couldn't agree more 👍as an Irish man I've been in awe of the ABs my whole life and respect them as a Group and kiwi fans, but these pundits are usually always so biased and arrogant, what a shame!😊
Thank you. Its what is always asked of the Springboks when we lose, its only fair to then give it.
@@Chris_Rugby congratulations Boks 👍 Ireland sends her respect and shitting my pants 😂
Well said, stop all the excuses take it on the chin.
Pretty easy to out play a team of 14 players...
It's quite evident that they refuse to acknowledge that the All Blacks' lack of discipline was the clear reason for their loss in the game
It seems like they aren't used to being penalised😂
I thought the 35-7 drubbing was the highlight of the weekend. But this 50 minute whingefest tops that easily 🤣🤌
If we had lost the bledisloe cup and the rugby championship cup, the boks would have got a beatdown. Why would the abs go all out to get injured for no gain? This match was just on the schedule, it had to he played foster wanted the a team to stay fresh. The 1 major injury was not self inflicted and it was something that should be investigated.
Jeff's take is the worst. A blind man on the moon could see the clean out.
They couldn't take the pressure...it showed with the lack of discipline and they got a beating. The loss, according to Jeff, is everything BUT the AB poor form:
The 7-1 Bok bench, the bunker, the ref.... piss poor take, Jeff.
@@merlotonthego6412They simply cannot accept that they got their asses whipped. Pure arrogance. It had to be the ref. Just can't give us any credit for the amazing game we played. Total disrespect. Hope France destroys you!
No. Scott went for Marx. It's clear that it was a dangerous tackle. Who was he cleaning out? He went low to knock Marx with the elbow.
but its not a red though, contact was on his shoulder
Disagree
Exactly he went straight for marx hitting him downwards and not forward
@@bottomeyeview2767 Doesn't have to be head contact to be a yellow. It's dangerous play. He's diving off his feet into a ruck, first penalisable offense. He's tucked his arm/leading with his shoulder, second penalisable offence, diving onto a man lying on the ground who's nowhere near the ball, third penalisable offence. Even if there was no head contact (there was) he's done enough for a yellow/red there and much like Farrell's tackle the week before, he was never in a position to do anything legal before Marx's head popped up at the last second or whatever they want to argue, so there's no mitigation AFAICT.
@@bottomeyeview2767 it was a shoulder completely off the ball. Even if it didn't hit marx on the head, its still a yellow!
Wow, that Barrett 'clean-out' was the most cynical seen in 2023, and if they can't see that, they have no place commenting on the game.
I fully agree with you. That was on purpose and dangerous. Red card,a big yes.
Definitely I’m not sure what this pundit is seeing saying it was barely a yellow!come on there’s no clearing out needed that was an intentional hit and a straight red!
These 🤡 would make perfect trump voters. See no evil...
That alone made me realize these guys are salty losers.
Think you will find similar from most teams (especially these two when playing each other) Barrett was probably returning the favor but wasn't as sneaky as most of these "cleanouts" are. Have a look at all the forwards heads after a game. 🤕
Fcking hell, Jeff Wilson trying to say that Barrett just went off his feet is a joke. Shoulder charged a prone guy on the floor, I am speechless.
Pathetic punditry!!!...emotional reasoning devoid of respect for the boks. Completely below the belt. The Boks smashed the All Blacks so hard it is still yet to sink in for these guys.
15 infringements in the first half alone means that everytime the Bokke tried to play rugby the All Blacks stopped the game...for those who struggled at school...
Exactly right. They moan about how easy it was for the Boks to win with 14 men. But they had 14 men because they couldn’t front the Boks up legally.
Touche!!! Well said, and an excellent summary
I was angry as hell when I watched this. I was excited to get the full breakdown of what was good or bad about NZ rugby as well as their reflection on what the Springboks did to totally dominate the All Blacks. I have learnt absolutely nothing 😢
When Ireland beat them in that 3 Test series a few months ago, it was the exact same.
Thats because Sky is now probably the poorest rugby broadcaster worldwide. Dont worry you are not alone. I can barely watch breakdown now. Bring back rugby reunion.
Patric Gallow is a sore loser. Why is he bringing up the bunker everytime?
It is not about the winning or losing... my piont is about Barnett's cheap shot playing a player off the ball with a dangerous clean-out. He will face no further sanction as per disciplinary committee..... so has the standard been set for the world cup???????
As a kiwi I never watch The Breakdown for the analysis. Even though they are former players they have no idea what is going on or a tleast can't explain it. Watch Squidge Rugby and Wibble Rugby for analysis.
As a Bok supporter, it’s always been a highlight to watch AB/Bok games; not only for their intensity and display of skill, but also for the professionalism, respect and camaraderie shown between the teams off the pitch and after the whistle has blown. These pundits do us fans of both great teams a disservice. Rather wait for squidge rugby’s video.
Agree. I thought England’s pundits were bad enough, not wanting to rock the boat, but this lot are in denial. The racism of trying to blame the ref is beyond pathetic.
Agreed 100%
South Africa 🇿🇦
All blacks are an amazing team. Pity many of the fans and talking heads are such bad loosers. Always blaming the ref or making excuses. Glad the refs finally catching the sneaky "fouls" that the Abs pull. That said, consistency in reffing needs to be upheld.
100% accurate. Great comment.
@northernhound3899 What categorises "referee" as a race again? Methinks you don't understand what that word means...
I have been impressed by the humility of the NZ supporters.
I am annoyed with how two faced these NZ commentators are. If you watch analysis of how the All Blacks infringed over and over on purpose you realize how dirty the All Blacks were on this night and the ref. made them pay for their own actions.
They have been clever infringers for a good few years and how many times was R McCaw offside and played away?
Breakdown on the breakdown
Don’t worry New Zealand, this is what you call “Fair refereeing”. I know this term is unfamiliar with you guys, but you’ll get there!!!!
Danko.... How many matches should have gone this easy but due to shit refereeing 😂🎉
Yup
Yes. It is definitely new to these guys.
Clearly the defeat suffered by the All Blacks was so severe, resulting in Jeff Wilson experiencing a concussion and subsequently impairing his ability to provide coherent and rational comments.
It’s frustrating to see the pundits excuse Barrett’s clean out. It was stupid and intentional. Love my ABs but they really need to sort out their mental battles and decision making by next weekend. Best of luck to SA, hope you guys carry the south and take the cup home (again).
Fact is it was a disgracful clean out, Mr Wilson can try and defend it and look all over the place for excuses. Just call it what it was a disgrace!!
Imagine it was RG Snyman doing that to Ardie Savea lol. This Wilson doos would've gone all out saying "THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE". He's Biased and can't seem to handle it when the ref actually penalizes them.
Jeff causes too much on the breakdown in general. Him and Sir John argue most of the time
Just a dumb cleanout no maliciousness, that's rugby it aint tiddly winks...
@@OldbeanOOf course it's not tiddly winks, as New Zealand found out. The cheating thuggery of that pseudo cleanout had no impact on the Springboks. If anything, it simply motivated the Springboks to give the All Blacks a comprehensive hiding. Was great to watch.
When SA complains about officiating and unfair red/yellow cards, we are told we are bad losers... Welcome to the club! Not to mention in the previous match... AB beat our lineout by walking over the laws.. this time the officials were told to keep an eye out for it, and the AB's were punished. So you don't want officials to look at this so that you can get away with it, ya?
The ABs still crowded the lineouts but got pinged for early engagement.
Took the words right out of my mouth. We as Saffas have been calling for consistency. We want to win fair and square and if we lose let it be our fault. Now that things have gotten out of hand the rest of the world is coming to the party.
Exactly...
I couldn't agree more about the pundits - this episode wasn't great (too much complaining and too little analysis)... Where my opinion differs, as a fellow South African: let's stop playing the victim - we're good enough to focus on the quality we've been producing. If people want to complain about how they were treated unfairly, they're going to do it regardless of what we say (or arguably even more if we try and get them to stop). We basically had to sacrifice Rassie for a year to prove a point - and I feel like we can now move on from an era where we were known as the dirty bunch that were targetted when it came to penalties and bans (if you rewatch some of them, you'll realise that, in hindsight, a lot of them were validated)... Let's prioritise what's important and enjoy the rugby the springboks have been giving us (and are most likely still going to).
@@jacqueskirstein9833 true. Very true.
I’ve always appreciated how gracious in victory the kiwis have been historically.
I’m saddened by how sour the pundits have been in response to this loss…
September 8 can’t come soon enough.
Which bits were sour..???
@@pita3908 I know you commented on the full video on the All Blacks YT channel so I assume you’ve watched the full video. This was a 50 minute whingefest by this panel and some journalist trying to discredit the Boks and how dominant we were. All of this was sour except for when JK showed some face.
The majority of kiwis have been gracious and humble in defeat. But you should take a seat with goldie and co and whinge further.
@@pita3908 You are joking, right? I can't take this question seriously. They literally whinged non-stop.
open the other eye Pita.......please. @@pita3908
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These Pundits could learn some humility from the majority of the AB fans who are doing their nation proud.
they are no different from other o/s sport commentators - they all moan when their team loses - why do you expect nz commentators to be any different
As a Kiwi I was shocked that the AB's were totally outclassed by the Boks. Well done to them. I don't mind the Boks beating them occasionally. Personally I think there was no plan B and hopefully they will regroup and put on a better display next game. Once again well done the Boks!!
Thanks friend.
As a springbok supporter I love the rivalry, and it great to be on the winning side. Disappointing to listen to this garbage on the programme, think us normal fans are above this arrogance
I think your spot on the all blacks were outclassed and had no plan b. Even when all blacks had their quick counter attack chances.( Which I think they are the masters of and make alot of team pay for). The spring boks seem to be one step ahead all game. I'm a wallaby fan and know the All blacks will learn from this game and do well in the world cup. Even tho we're all rivals in the championship Ill always want the southern hemisphere teams to do well in the world cup. Fuck France and Ireland
As a Springbok fan I dont mind the regular losses to the far more consistent All Blacks, as long as we mainatain our record as the team with the best World Cup record.
Blaming the bunker for extremely poor discipline
NZ pundits are in denial. You are no longer No.1. Don't blame the referee or the opposition for poor NZ play.
Mate we haven't been no.1 since winning back-to-back world cups, this team has been average since and needs a new coach / direction, South Africa are number 1 and the awesome Irish are looking to take that title, were not all sore losers lol.
I can understand why Eddie Jones calls NZ journos "Fans with keyboards".
These guys are just "Fans with mics".
How ungracious in defeat can you possibly get?
I think the guys are watching a different clip. This is no different from Owen Farrell. He should be punished.
Couldn’t agree more
well at least Farrel was tackling someone who was playing the ball. This is actually worse which says a lot!
Lets look at the clean out of the Springboks. Through the gate cleaning a possiable All Black player that can steal the ball. Malcom Marx, lying on the floor. Barrett,from the side into a player that has no chance of stealing a ball. Ye same scenario. The rugby IQ of this panel is shocking. I'm so glad that the All Blacks and their coaches still knows their rugby. It would be very sad to see the All Blacks fall as far as this panel in regards to knowing how rugby is played.
They achieved a little more than you so I think there rugby IQ's are just fine
@@lloydoconnor2862stop being dumb, the clean out by Barrett was so obvs a dangerous clean out. And was obvs that the springboks clean out they showed was fine, they can’t accept that they got battered and were shown to be nothing special
@@lloydoconnor2862achieved more, still gave a brain dead take.
Craziness 😂
Show some humility guys. As hard as it is to accept, the era of all black dominance is over. Between NZ, SA, France and Ireland, anyone can win on the day. Jeff Wilson's arrogance is actually embarrassing.
Yaaaaaah. Sometimes you just need to accept defeat and take it on the chin. Sounds like the English mind you.
@@hiltonbaron1588maté don’t lay it on us English!Every rugby nation f****g whinge!
Geez get over it, they are the most humble ppl who gave credit where credit is due, this is a discussion panel to provoke thought and constructive criticism, you want them to spend 30ms talking about nothing!!..
Agree, the guys clutching at straws bigtime
Respect to you, your colleagues lack the same class.
Kiwis calling out consistency and complaining about the ref.... How the tables have turned. 😊
Yeah I remember when rassie called out BS calls....actual BS calls and everyone had a problem with it. Now these blokes have a problem with some refereeing decisions
Keep hamering they where only 14 men. I'm so sorry that the All Blacks did not have the discipline to keep 15 men on the field. New Zealand made a mistake that resulted in the 14 men. Additionally the 7 forwards that has been chosen is in the rules. The All Blacks could have also done it but dit not want to take that risk. Very smart play from South Africa and could have gone bad with only 1 reserve for the backline.
What is Jeff Wilson smoking??
Jeff Wilson is nauseating to listen to, Kirwan more so
agreed, they are insufferable.@@whattinsanaemh9449
Smoking toenails
Bags of money
Some bad shit, that's what
Ag please accept that the Boks handed you a proper whipping and move on. Don't find excuses with the ref.
100% thrashing
Total Annihilation!
F... up properly!!😂😂
clearly a very tough pill to swallow for them
As a Frenchman, I always find it insightful and eye-opening to hear pundits' opinions from New Zealand, South Africa and Australia on rugby in general and test matches in particular. I thought SA played superbly and the ill discipline of the ABs just a result of the immense pressure they were under all game long. This arrogance many of you point at sounds to me like doubt and shaken confidence. But make no mistake, despite good recent results and home ground, France is going into the opener with an undersog mentality and huge respect for the ABs
Bon chance, mon ami!
Biggest opener of any world cup ever. It will be brutal for who ever looses. The upside is look at what happend to the Springboks in the last world cup. A loss can still see you win it.
points of order.
1. Ref went to bunker once each half. The bunker is there to be used. It does not slow the game as it is activated after a yellow card is already in effect. It speeds up the game.
2. Marx was not on the ball South African players played to the ball. Cleanouts of the ball and on the ball is 2 different things.
3. 33 min of play that's more then a point per min of play . I am sure the boks would have loved 50 min of play.
Pretty sure the AB wanted the play to stop way sooner anyway
Facts
I was not expecting this much cope from the NZ rugby pundits. I guess this is what happens when you can’t get away with constant infringements anymore. A yellow card could have come earlier and there could have been more.
Correct +4 unawarded scrum pens because the Ref had sympathy for them.
@@TheMarketSniper1 not to mention Whitelocks offside tackle that the refs said "he was behind last feet" because even more yellows would be insane
This panel should be Red Carded by the bunker till after the World Cup please !!!!
Love it!
I lived in nz and considered the general public some of the most unintelligent rugby fans. I can see where they got it from now..
To be honest considering how many woman beaters they celebrate once they're good at rugby, I'm not surprised they forgive reckless head shots.
I lived in Mangaung Bloemfontein for just over a year on a cycling tour. They were just the same. Clueless. And as for woman beaters. Rather that than lose your head through murder aye which seems to be nasty there
@@alritebudas if you dont have domestic violence in your country - pathetic trolling
@@bodybalanceU2 Yes domestic violence is also a problem in South Africa. It's pathetic that he would go there to troll. PS: in the time it took to write this comment 5 All Black wives had their faces smashed in. 🤣
@@alritebudshowing some of the same intelligence with pathetic comments like that 😡🖕
disgraceful pundit reaction
Watched the game in London with a bunch of SA and AB fans and atmosphere was great. Well done to both sets of supporters for the atmosphere both before and after the game. As a neutral, however, I watched this show with my jaw on the floor. The pundits and guests chose to winge about the bunker system, the length of the game and the ref instead of using their expertise to give us an insight into what each team did right or wrong. This would have made the show much more enjoyable and valuable to watch. Instead, we just got a string of excuses. To say that Barrett's second yellow was not a yellow is laughable. The AB's remain a good team capable of winning the WC, but your pundits on rugby shows need improvement.
These guys say that barrett shouldn’t have gotton a red card but he didn’t it was a second yellow and for me its defnitely at least a yellow 👌🏻
Was a red, it was about "Intent'
Well explained!
It was a yellow he got sent off because he got 2 yellows in total
@@TheMarketSniper1 It wasn't a red. Confirmed by the citing committee and fair play to them for that. He dove in for a cheap shot on a player on the ground but the shoulder to shoulder contact saved him from a red. Marx did hit his head, but on the hip of RG (I think it was) behind him.
Love the pundits , “don’t wanna take anything away from the Springboks “, yet taken everything away from the Springboks. Hahaha funny he started with that.
that loss clearly hurt lol
Yes like 57-0
@@mogamatsalie3334 keep living in the past buddy
@@mogamatsalie3334Still doesn’t beat what an imaginary woman apparently did to Goldies weak as all hell immune system in 95.
“Guys let’s not take anything away from the Boks’ victory and dominant performance.”
Does absolutely everything in 50 minutes to do exactly that.
Clearly not used to be being on the end of a decent hiding. Really expected more from Wilson. Respect for the ABs, not their pundits though. Dam chaps. Get it sorted
Jeff - thanks mate!!
You have just supplied the exact commentary Rassie needs to motivate the Boks - I think he'll have your comment about their last game being "the best the Boks can offer" on repeat play.
Agree 100pc.
The contrast between whats being said on this show and what ABs fans and Saffas are saying in the comments is telling.
I have so much respect for ABs and their fans. And to say Malcom Marx faked an injury when he was clearly bleeding is just absurd.
Who is this journalist and what are his credentials? Does he have any background in NZ that warrants his opinion matters in such discussions? Just whinging from him. Was painful to listen.
Eventually the new zealanders will realise that when you get a player sent off and lose, that's your own guys fault.
I agree, but also tell that to the south africans.
@@rhino2992 When did South Africans whinge about having a player sent off? We had three last years, all three were warranted and all three served out their suspension without a whimper. Of course every nation has its fair share of idiots but in all three of those cases, our sports news and channels reported them as being legit because they were. That is not what we see NZ pundits doing here...
Barrett"s clean out was a cheap shot at a player who was not near the ball. He went in maliciously with the right shoulder, Rugby is dangerous but these types of playing the man should be totally ruled out. ... Too many accidental head contact receiving red cards are ruining the game. you should always play 15 vs 15 otherwise there will always be disputes and cry babies
Say what they want, complain as you will, you got smashed
DeGroot looked totally beaten up after that game- Malherbe took him to school…..
Plus their 140kg baby Hippo
Springboks had all the momentum because they dominated the AB's and the refs calls generally goes in favor of the team with the momentum. Boks also figured out that Jordan loves that center channel and scores a lot of tries from there, hence Arendse intercept trie. Outclassed and dominated stop looking for excuses. Take it on the chin and move forward.
I wonder whether all those rugby supporters who always crucify Bok supporters for being bad losers, will see the irony in this video....🤔
To be honest had the boks lost and got a red for that we would see many videos trying to convince the world they were robbed. The ABs got a hiding and were not up to it but Boks whinge more than an any other country about refs.
I like how the NZ are talking about inconsistent officiating, we have been saying it for years but nice to listen when the shoe is on the other 🦶 😂
The idea of the Bunker is that the game can continue while a decision is being reviewed. I must be missing something. Pundits repeatedly stated that the Bunker was responsible for slowing down the game. Must not be talking about the same bunker.
its like warching CNN's take on rugby...
They didn’t know the difference between the TMO and the bunker. Shocking for professional pundits
Kiwis are the proudest people when the AB's win and also the biggest sour lossers 😂😂...... Just shows how much this nation loves its rugby
The AB’s lost the game because the refs clamped down on the cynical play near their goal line, they have been getting away with for the past 20 odd years. I hope this continues so the arrogant AB’s and their one eyed supporters can be shut up.
Bingo when you always get away with something you are shocked when someone calls you out. Welcome to reality all blacks
As a Saffa , I think the AB supporters have been classy. Way better than us usually. The pundits here are not in the same camp unfortunately
Big All Blacks fan and massive Springbok admirer. I have the utmost respect for New Zealand rugby and especially taking a loss on the chin like big men. Take your loss, acknowledge the beating, learn, move along, be an All Black with grace again...unlike...
Which game was Jeff Wilson watching? The reason why Scott Barret is being hauled over the coals is the cheap shot he took coming into the contact on the ground - the shot to the head with his hand/fist/shoulder is unbecoming of a great All Black jersey and Scott will be bearing the consequences of his actions.
Jeff, time to go see your optometrist mate, stop trying to gaslight the viewers, we're not blind, let alone stupid.
Sorry rugby pass, couldn't make it past 3 minutes with Jeff japping away...
Seriously guys? A bit of professional reality would be nice.
I'm only 6 minutes in and utterly stunned by the narratives they're choosing to push on this. The game was slow because NZ discipline was terrible and why on earth are they nitpicking the Barrett bunker review 😂
@@Gilescowdemdem Because he doesn't deserve any suspension (which was announced he hasn't gotten one)
@@jdhifwhere did I say he did deserve one? They're nitpicking a clear yellow card offense which is clearly cynical and unnecessary. Marx is barely even in the ruck.
@@Gilescowdemdemhe even said 'is it wreckless? Yes'. Well there you go yellow card. The bs excusing the first as a team yellow too. He got up from an offside position and played the ball/player. Again professional foul deserving a yellow. After the comments in recent weeks about other players getting (and deserving) bans and calls about player safety, the U turn was predictable but I didn't think we would only have to wait a week!
@@Gilescowdemdem Agreed. well if one team keeps on breaking the laws, then yes the ref is going to blow his whistle way more .....slowing down the game. You don't reach a quota on penalties conceded....
Saffa here. I think the ABs will bounce back big time. I love their brand of Rugby. Let’s remember that there is an international brotherhood of the great game and that at the end of the day the Boks and ABs are brothers. Great rivalry, but I can tell you for sure many lifelong friendships are made on the pitch between rivals. Let’s be good to each other please. God bless.
Get a room homo. Northern hemisphere have surpassed you
One of my favourite programs to watch but really this is a painful watch.All the excuses and blaming after being soundly beaten is not a good look 😮
Lol Scott dove head first into Marx on the ground with no ball - "he shouldn't get any sort of suspension"
Expect nothing less from New Zealand. They portray or attempt to portray that they have been hard done by. Their sent off scum bag took a cheap dirty shot and the tv camera picked it up- end of story. No contact to the head, only by accident not intention. It was a dirty cheap shot.
These guys seriously let themselves and NZ down on this episode. Learn how to be gracious in defeat. AB's get demolished so they decide it must mean there should be rule changes...how arrogant and out of touch can you be?
Wow guys... this is a pretty bad take. I was at the game and the NZ supporters were very gracious.
ssshhh..... you're interfering with the saffa circle jerk,don't spoil their fun.
Too right.
Is Wilson really trying to say that driving someone back off the ball in a ruck is the same as deliberately dropping a shoulder on someone on the ground away from the ball?
Yes, that's what he is trying to say.
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Forgive the pundits...they are nursing deep wounds because the physical force was sobering... awakening just 2 weeks before RWC.
It wasn't boring the tries from the boks were beautiful 😊
At last. A ref who expected AB to play from the same "law book" as the rest of the world. Barret's 2 yellow card can be debated at length. Bottom line. He was pinged twice, fairly I might add, and AB had to play with 14 men. We could lament this fact but discipline, or lack thereof, could always impact a game. Put the sour grapes away and just acknowledge that SA would have, in all likelihood, won regardless. Such was their dominance.
SPOT ON
Thanks to the AB fans for being classy on the loss. It was the biggest defeat for them in their history and the pundits didn’t make anything of that. Wish they could learn from the true AB fans and show some humility and not distract about the time of the game.
Honestly!apparently we English are wingers but these guy’s really can’t except that you were well beaten and the reason your discipline was poor was SA pressure!Also Barrett’s challenge was a clear red and should be cited for it.There’s no clearing out there just a cheap shot!
Do you mean whingers ?
Agreed - it was especially cynical in a WC warm up game. Makes me wonder if Mr Barrett had this in mind when intentionally trying to cause concussion to Marx
@@jetcimcozayep he lined him up for that hit!Looks like he’s got away with also!
Pundit: “I don’t want to take anything away from South Africa’s performance, but Barrett is an angel, and we lost because the referee was mean to us.”
These pundits dont rep kiwis who will all agree the boks were a force that night. BD presenters are mostly G men
Wow! J Wilson. One horror show. Just get over it man.
Even before cards the bokke were over the all blacks ?
Wow, from a South African, our analysts are quite neutral. From blaming the refs to showing clean outs made by the opposition that wasn't close to what barret did??? Eish sour grapes perhaps? Be humble take it on the chin and be ready for the next match up of two great rivals.
The clean out was dangerous, and the player was nowhere near the ball. To compare that to cleaning out a player on the back who is over the ball is just ridiculous. Everybody wants the referees to get it right, but then when the bunker is brought in to assist with mistakes, that’s a problem too. You can’t have it both ways!
I'm a NZer All Black fan and have been since 1976 as a kid. We simply don't have a good enough team to win this world cup, The French have a side that is every bit as good as the AB's had in 2015 and so do the Irish. The Spring Boks have a forward pack that can match them but their backs may not be quite as settled as the other two main contenders however as we know they can bring the passion that could bring the desired result. The only way the All Blacks could win is if they play to their absolute best potential and helter skelter works on those days. I just don't think it will. My heart wants to win but my brain knows better unfortunately. Reality hurts but at the same time I hope the All Blacks entertain the world and make the cup experience great for everyone.
They'll win the cultural honours
How's the rugby brain of yours working now?
This is hard to watch. The arrogance of these pundits is astonishing. Us Southies (South Africans) are often made fun of for being overconfident or criticising referee decision, but that is exactly what these pundits are doing.
Speaking from South Africa I do believe the AB will not allow that big score difference again or give us a run for our money. We can expect a much challenging and confronting game. We always appreciate a good game with your AB team. The next game will be much tougher since the WC is at stake for both sides.
It seems the hardest thing to do in world rugby is give the Springboks some credit.
So when South Africans complain about refs it is unacceptable? 😂 The irony
That Barrett guy should be banned for several matches. WR is a disgrace and the ABs are benefitting from a friendly and corrupt organization.
but they complain about Owen Farrel. Only when its against them do they have a problem with it. Hypocrites!
As a long suffering Bok supporter, I watched the Kiwis since the 90s get the rub of the green in luck and referee decisions go their way every single time, for 30 years. It goes against them once and they whine? Shut up! The best thing was not SA winning, it was the joy of seeing the most overrated team's luck run out in a big way! Hope France beat them with a forward pass, after the final whistle! Wish them no luck ever again, they had enough over the years.
But of course....when the ABs have become so used to preferential treatment, equal treatment will now seem like bias. "Well we got away with it for so long.....why the change in refereeing all of a sudden???"
@@renewablefuelsanalyst8263 absolutely, never questioned the rub of the green and now even saying Scott Barrett did nothing wrong?
Lol i have to say, when most countries lose they have a certain amounts of fans who blame the ref. However south africa impress as they take it further and seem as a nation to be convinced that there is a global conspiracy against them.
@@rhino2992 Well the fact that they can make a video of just one game (10-15 min long) of inconsistency and bad officiating is pretty telling , reffs are hardly ever held accountable for their actions and SA fans got a fire in their belly when rassy did it cuz that specific game was so bad that a team was allowed to play offside for 30+ min with no backlash
And world rugbys response was to tell him that reffs can get it wrong and then banned him for pointing it out for a year they couldn't even find a problem with his arguments and rhater insisted that he should have used the correct channels that never do anything anyway
A action they would then later apologize for
Just love your comment. 👍
As a South African the players and NZ coach showed class and humility , unfortunately the people on this show not as much, still have all the respect in the world for the players and coach this was a poor show 😅
Someone said that Jeff Wilson is the number one Sour Grape farmer in New Zealand .
if it were vice versa would they still be saying this?
bingo....if that was bakkies botha...and he only received a yellow and no citing they would be up in arms
Haha. Endless moaning by the New Zealand pundits. Jeff Wilson has quite an imagination 🤣 Men vs boys in that match.
Its all just play to influence the decision WR has to make about Barret today. Its like CNN who creates fake news stories to influence how people look at political issues.
Hopefully, the team isn't making excuses like these guys, otherwise France will blow them away... like they usually do in a World Cup.
Drew Mitchell said : People are only complaining because it worked. If it backfired, nobody would be saying it’s against the spirit of the game.
“You play to your strengths, SA did that. Find a way to beat it, not complain.”
The glassman is in denial 😂😂 I will be definitely watching their game with france
Good grief guys🇿🇦, you Kiwis are better than this. I know that.
Humility could go a very long way..
Excuses, excuses, excuses. For once the ref did a great job.
100%
You guys can't cope with loosing 😂
its "losing" mate 🤣
I have never seen these guys so hurt. I normally like them but they seem to not be able to accept the match
Scraping the barrel to find excuses for the AB loss. If the ABs discipline wasn't so off, we wouldn't have needed the bunker, right? Lost a bit of respect for these pundits that I always used to turn to for decent analysis
Lol. You're "still talking about controversy" because you lost! No one else found the game controversial. I've never heard such biased pundits in my life. It's hilarious! 😂
Geez do I look like this when complaining about the ref as a Saffa. Saying there was no contact to the head in that collision with Scott is being absolutely oblivious mate. I agreed with refs decision, its a yellow card but unfortunately a second yellow. Not a straight red
How the hell can you sleep at night knowing that you are outright lying through your teeth. Bias is one thing......flat out lying is a whole different ball game
The fact that these expert analysts think that Marx telling his captain to talk to the ref, after being cleaned out with a 110 kg shoulder charge off the ball, is akin to soccer players diving/shouting at referees/ faking an injury is the most pathetic claim I’ve heard on this show.
Besides being one of the most respectful players in the game, Malcolm Marx is well within his rights to ask his captain to speak to the ref about foul play. This happens in every game.
Comments like these make clear examples of rugby rules seem like muddy interpretations. Everyone who knows rugby knows that that was illegal and a yellow card offence….except, maybe, Bakkies Botha.
My word. What a shocking episode. They say South African complain about the refs, but my word they I have never heard a group complain more...
I’m an X South African living in Aussie and the Boks beat the Aussies as well. It was particularly satisfying to watch the All Blacks get thumped, especially that I live in Australia now 😂