Would be nice to see this test again with the hood closed! The stock intake is either very well designed OR there’s a much more restrictive bottleneck elsewhere.
Hey Nick/Josh - did you guys ever do follow-up comparisons with a modded and tuned VR30? Would think it's best to retain the factory boxes, and a dry or oiled high-flow filter setup.
@concept Z, i have lower downpipes and exhaust on my car with BMS intakes. Is it worth using the aftermarket intakes over oem with those mods? I know you guys said towards the end of the video you weren’t sure if the aftermarket benefits more with the mods. I’m thinking of going back to stock and just buying the k&n drop ins as long as it’s better for me especially now with the summer coming around the corner. Please let me know thanks PS i run a jb4 also with +7 boost
So this car had stock exhaust, right? I'm wondering if the stock intake does just fine with LDP and CB exhaust upgrades. Or if the increased pull through is really bettered by having something like the AMS intake.
Yeah... try thinking about how the aftermarket utilizes baffles instead of enclosed air boxes. You are basically sucking in hot air instead cold air, hence the reason the OEM intakes are way better.
I absolutely love the R&D you guys are doing with the new Q50/Q60 platform!! Question though... when is the Manual transmission kit being released? Or is that on the back burner for now?
kinda sort of on the back burner for a short time. We just want to clear some space in our shop so we want to focus on finishing Nicks Z32 and the S15. once those are running and can easily get them out of the shop its back to the Q
That's what I did, just replaced K&N filter from the stock ones, when changed them back to the OEM ones, once I need to clean my K&N filters as a temp solution until my K&N filters are dry, oiled up and ready to go.
I felt a noticeable difference in power and sound going with dual k&n drop in filters in my Q50... And my Q50 is a naturally aspirated 3.7 You would think the gains would be even more impressive in the forced induction twin turbo 3.0T engine... I wish they would have tested them as well.
Well once you returned the car after the intakes and adjusted the air to fuel wouldn’t the results be much different as opposed to just tuning with stock intake? Should’ve tried some drop in filters
These dyno tests are neat and all but really don't tell much... First, you can't have the hood open and expect realistic results. The engine is normally running in a semi-enclosed environment with its ambient heat @ filter area being much higher than ambient heat outside the vehicle. While driving, different factors occur on whether the IAT @ sensor (feeding ECU, resulting in timing changes) is hotter or cooler X vs Y vs Z vs W vs... Has the vehicle been sitting in traffic, then gets to go; just starting off on a drive at highway speeds...well, both will have different results between X vs Y vs Z vs W vs... So, pretty difficult to get any real data on something like this, for real world results. Provided we know the basics of what needs to go in the engine and what it has to go through to get there, we could probably know what types work better than others, if we really think about it.
Nice!! Thanks for doing this test was surprised all the other intakes did not make their claimed hp. Can’t say the test was rigged yours made the least amount of hp. Can you use a fresh stock filter vs K@N filter with OEM when you do your modded/tuned tests? Thanks again for taking the time to do this.
Aye performance TT engines often have pretty optimized intakes already, the aftermarket ones do allow for far more sound from the turbos to enter the cabin.
Buyer's beware many of the Intakes for the VR30 motor especially with ones from Stillen have had multiple people in the Q50/60 reporting issues such as jerkiness and rough shifting. This may not be the case for all of the intakes here and it may only affects the 400HP variants but be aware that this motor may not take well to a aftermarket intake.
Coz Ceh hah it had plenty to do with the intakes. Go read the numerous threads in the Q50 forum. Nearly anyone who picked it up had issues, before and after the ecu update.
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I’m interested to see how K&N drop in filters would do with the OEM box.
It looks like your car heat soaked significantly. Did you let it cool down (and check the Charged Air Temps) between each intake vendor? Also, can you post the dyno sheets overlayed with each other?
EsTee Yep, the car was given about 15 minutes between the first and second runs, and about 45 minutes between second and third runs, plus at least an hour between intakes. Fans were kept on at all times and the shop is climate controlled anyway. The reality is the 300HP variant does heatsoak like crazy, but we've observed the whole "better first run" thing even on our Red Sport, with the second water pump, so we simply took steps to ensure this wouldn't be a factor in our testing.
The VR30 motor in general suffers from some pretty bad heat soak, if you take a look at the OEM radiators they are laughably small. Still nice that they chimed in with the testing and rough timelines between each of the runs.
Thats kind of disappointing. You'll be paying $250+ for some noise basically. Lol. What about the piping? It looks like the only thing replaced is the filters. Injen made an intake for the 1.5 turbo on the Civic and made 20+hp. But all the piping was replaced. Not just the filter.
AMS is claiming gains throughout all rpms but claims 17hp or more towards the top rpm range over the stock airbox setup. This is while using a custom variation of their Red Alpha tune for both products. I truly have my questions which could raise some doubts but no one will know except those guys behind the scenes. Was their favoritism shown? They want to selling their product, right? Bottom line, there is a lot of room for possible misinformation but not saying they are outright lying. This is why I've always be leary of the claims made by the company selling or promoting the product. No brainer...The NEED for independent folks to test this stuff and get to the facts to help the consumer. AMS wants to sell expensive intakes with 200% markup, i get it. Could the very good factory airbox setup which came with the car(saving $500) be made to match the AMS CIA by simply adjusting some of the variables in the tuning process? If it's a possibility then this would be helpful to know. I am tuning my 19" Q50 3.0T next month December, where all I am going to have a certified Ecutek dealer/Import motorsports tuning and performance company dyno tune my car. (I have added a popular brand of after market heat exchanger JFYI to benefit this tune.) I reached out to AMS, Nov 2019, and suggested that id like to do a back to back unbiased comparison to see what the best numbers could be for both the oem CAI verses Red Alpha CAI. AMS rejected my request to have a unit provided for this highly reguarded company to dyno test on the same day(cooler weather). I'm just interested in finding out real hp/Tq numbers for myself and was willing to be open and video the whole process since I'm investing and taking time to tune my 5 month, 3000k mile car.
I don't understand. How can it be called "cold air intake" when the actual filter is INSIDE/UNDER the hood where it is 1000 degrees in there? Unless someone can really enlighten me?
On the Q50 they're in an enclosed air box but the intake shroud has air ducts that get the air from the top of the grill. A drop in filter and lower downpipes will net you some game/ especially if you have jb4/uprev/ecutek.
GAD.. Try it with the hood down! That's the whole point of a CAI .. Heat soak too.. all that work for inaccurate real world result. Shows the factory air box + filter has good flow. That's really all you tested. Not the ability to scavenge cooler air.
Actually, none of these intakes use the hood to block heat from the filter. Some of them rely on the upper air duct to be installed, but that air duct doesn't require the hood to be closed. Running a car on the dyno with the hood closed is asking for heatsoak. We also gave the car plenty of time to cool down between runs and intake to make sure heatsoak wasn't an issue.
Concept Z Performance the fan blowing on the hood moves hot air and changes/disrupts the fluid dynamics of the air flow. In effect allowing the exposed filters to ingest cooler air than when at 50 in warm air letting heated air to enter the engine compartment. Don't believe me put a wireless thermometer on the outside of the filters, and on the front of the stock airfilter then go for a drive n see the differences. STILLEN and OEM will outshine the others. IMHO OEM is just fine. Fast Intentions full downpipes and CBE is the way to let the 3.0T breath
I think you might overestimate the volume of air a fan in front of the car moves in relation to what the intake is sucking in; we'll have to agree to disagree on this one I think!
Infiniti is severely underrating these cars from the factory. Check out our earlier video where we dyno our Q60 RedSport, they're definitely making more than their stated horsepower ratings.
@@Conceptzperformanceczp Ok, thank you. I just bought it and installed the AMS/Infiniti CAIs. Can't totally tell a difference with sound or butt dyno but hopefully it added some measurable amount of HP.
It's standard practice to dyno with the hood open to prevent the engine from overheating. Even the best shop fans won't move as much air as a car going 100mph+ would.
Thank you for the honest review . much appreciate it
Great video champs, honesty and clarity with numbers and theory to back it up.
It so easy to fool the masses. You have to love these kinds of test.
You just saved me a bunch of money. Thanks 🙏🏼
Such a great video. Saved us time and Money !
Would be nice to see this test again with the hood closed!
The stock intake is either very well designed OR there’s a much more restrictive bottleneck elsewhere.
Awesome editing and great comparison!
Thank you!
Hey Nick/Josh - did you guys ever do follow-up comparisons with a modded and tuned VR30? Would think it's best to retain the factory boxes, and a dry or oiled high-flow filter setup.
Thanks for the video!
@concept Z, i have lower downpipes and exhaust on my car with BMS intakes. Is it worth using the aftermarket intakes over oem with those mods? I know you guys said towards the end of the video you weren’t sure if the aftermarket benefits more with the mods. I’m thinking of going back to stock and just buying the k&n drop ins as long as it’s better for me especially now with the summer coming around the corner. Please let me know thanks
PS i run a jb4 also with +7 boost
So this car had stock exhaust, right? I'm wondering if the stock intake does just fine with LDP and CB exhaust upgrades. Or if the increased pull through is really bettered by having something like the AMS intake.
would love to see the AMS intake since Infiniti approves it for there vehicles
now that our Q60 is up and running again we might just have to look into that
Also please test the AFE TAKEDA intakes!!
I just called infiniti and the AMS intake allegedly voids the warranty LOL
@@thisGuy481my Infiniti dealer installed mine and warrantied it
Hi, will you guys be making an updated video on these intakes in the near future? Thanks
You guys never did a follow up video to this one... we want to know which would be the best intake with a tune and full exhaust please.
i like the velocity stack design on the 3D printed model.
Recently removed my Stillen intake due to a CEL. Do you think the verdict would be same with JB4?
So what about down pipes ? Which ones are better you guys going to do a video on that too ?
Please can you do a comparison video of the VR30 OEM stock intake using the various aftermarket drop-in filters.
I think the intake testing on this vehicle has run its course.
Yeah... try thinking about how the aftermarket utilizes baffles instead of enclosed air boxes. You are basically sucking in hot air instead cold air, hence the reason the OEM intakes are way better.
So glad you guys are local. Wizards
Put my stock air box in with K&N filters. Took off my AEM intakes... after seeing this video. Thanks guys!! Who wants an AEM intake set for free?????
Yeah bruh you still have that?
@@jfro0321 yes, got them put away in the box
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I'll take it
JDAWG713 I’ll pay for ship
I absolutely love the R&D you guys are doing with the new Q50/Q60 platform!! Question though... when is the Manual transmission kit being released? Or is that on the back burner for now?
kinda sort of on the back burner for a short time. We just want to clear some space in our shop so we want to focus on finishing Nicks Z32 and the S15. once those are running and can easily get them out of the shop its back to the Q
Thanks for being honest guys, since better gains were from OEM box, wish you could of tested an K&N filter.
That's what I did, just replaced K&N filter from the stock ones, when changed them back to the OEM ones, once I need to clean my K&N filters as a temp solution until my K&N filters are dry, oiled up and ready to go.
I felt a noticeable difference in power and sound going with dual k&n drop in filters in my Q50... And my Q50 is a naturally aspirated 3.7
You would think the gains would be even more impressive in the forced induction twin turbo 3.0T engine... I wish they would have tested them as well.
@@StormAutoAdventures yeah, i put a pair in my Rs, you can even hear it pull in more air. also improves your fuel economy from stock ones😀
Thank you!
Why did you never follow up with this video like you said you would??
Nissan's intake technology is the best. Do not doubt!
Well once you returned the car after the intakes and adjusted the air to fuel wouldn’t the results be much different as opposed to just tuning with stock intake? Should’ve tried some drop in filters
Retuned*
Yo where da links bruda?
These dyno tests are neat and all but really don't tell much...
First, you can't have the hood open and expect realistic results. The engine is normally running in a semi-enclosed environment with its ambient heat @ filter area being much higher than ambient heat outside the vehicle.
While driving, different factors occur on whether the IAT @ sensor (feeding ECU, resulting in timing changes) is hotter or cooler X vs Y vs Z vs W vs... Has the vehicle been sitting in traffic, then gets to go; just starting off on a drive at highway speeds...well, both will have different results between X vs Y vs Z vs W vs...
So, pretty difficult to get any real data on something like this, for real world results.
Provided we know the basics of what needs to go in the engine and what it has to go through to get there, we could probably know what types work better than others, if we really think about it.
Nice!! Thanks for doing this test was surprised all the other intakes did not make their claimed hp.
Can’t say the test was rigged yours made the least amount of hp.
Can you use a fresh stock filter vs K@N filter with OEM when you do your modded/tuned tests?
Thanks again for taking the time to do this.
Aye performance TT engines often have pretty optimized intakes already, the aftermarket ones do allow for far more sound from the turbos to enter the cabin.
When’s the updated test? Thansk
we've got a couple things in the works so if we find some time to get back to intakes once some new ones release
Buyer's beware many of the Intakes for the VR30 motor especially with ones from Stillen have had multiple people in the Q50/60 reporting issues such as jerkiness and rough shifting.
This may not be the case for all of the intakes here and it may only affects the 400HP variants but be aware that this motor may not take well to a aftermarket intake.
Coz Ceh hah it had plenty to do with the intakes. Go read the numerous threads in the Q50 forum. Nearly anyone who picked it up had issues, before and after the ecu update.
I’m interested to see how K&N drop in filters would do with the OEM box.
they do very well
Love mine
Anything besides AMS for the vr30 is loss of power
OEM BOX is already cold air, open your hoods and look!!!
Facts
It looks like your car heat soaked significantly. Did you let it cool down (and check the Charged Air Temps) between each intake vendor? Also, can you post the dyno sheets overlayed with each other?
EsTee Yep, the car was given about 15 minutes between the first and second runs, and about 45 minutes between second and third runs, plus at least an hour between intakes. Fans were kept on at all times and the shop is climate controlled anyway. The reality is the 300HP variant does heatsoak like crazy, but we've observed the whole "better first run" thing even on our Red Sport, with the second water pump, so we simply took steps to ensure this wouldn't be a factor in our testing.
The VR30 motor in general suffers from some pretty bad heat soak, if you take a look at the OEM radiators they are laughably small.
Still nice that they chimed in with the testing and rough timelines between each of the runs.
When are you testing the AMS intakes?
As soon as we get them in. We should be getting a few soon but no exact date yet
Pretty much OEM and save $$$. Not enough gains for the extra $$$.
Any plans on AMS?
yes, we just picked up a bone stock Q50 to test some more parts on
I was like 30 seconds away from buying an AEM intake before I saw this video 🤣
Obed Diaz same
On god gahha
It is at a cheaper price than the rest, with a large filter too
The AEM gives a nice audible sound of the turbos but unfortunately plagues the vr30 with maf codes
Thats kind of disappointing. You'll be paying $250+ for some noise basically. Lol. What about the piping? It looks like the only thing replaced is the filters.
Injen made an intake for the 1.5 turbo on the Civic and made 20+hp. But all the piping was replaced. Not just the filter.
seems the best one to go for is the AMS one we have yet to test it but as soon as we get a chance to confirm it we will post it
why no Takeda cold intake
iv been trying to find reviews and more info on those intakes. cant find anything.
@@juanclaudio7821 have you found any info on takeda intake, are they good?
Answer at 6:20
Try stock vs k&n drop in please
Rickyohh I think the OEM box and filter are the best opinions even if you are tuned.
No need. Without downpipes this car has massive restrictions
I think the AMS is the solution......lets wait and see....
So far I think the OEM box and filter are the best opinions even if you are tuned or not.
@@jnagime this was known 5months ago
All these intake just useless. Thanks guys. Now I can use that couple
Hundred for other mod.
AMS is claiming gains throughout all rpms but claims 17hp or more towards the top rpm range over the stock airbox setup. This is while using a custom variation of their Red Alpha tune for both products. I truly have my questions which could raise some doubts but no one will know except those guys behind the scenes. Was their favoritism shown? They want to selling their product, right?
Bottom line, there is a lot of room for possible misinformation but not saying they are outright lying. This is why I've always be leary of the claims made by the company selling or promoting the product. No brainer...The NEED for independent folks to test this stuff and get to the facts to help the consumer. AMS wants to sell expensive intakes with 200% markup, i get it.
Could the very good factory airbox setup which came with the car(saving $500) be made to match the AMS CIA by simply adjusting some of the variables in the tuning process? If it's a possibility then this would be helpful to know.
I am tuning my 19" Q50 3.0T next month December, where all I am going to have a certified Ecutek dealer/Import motorsports tuning and performance company dyno tune my car. (I have added a popular brand of after market heat exchanger JFYI to benefit this tune.) I reached out to AMS, Nov 2019, and suggested that id like to do a back to back unbiased comparison to see what the best numbers could be for both the oem CAI verses Red Alpha CAI. AMS rejected my request to have a unit provided for this highly reguarded company to dyno test on the same day(cooler weather). I'm just interested in finding out real hp/Tq numbers for myself and was willing to be open and video the whole process since I'm investing and taking time to tune my 5 month, 3000k mile car.
Did you ever get to doing any of that?
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I don't understand. How can it be called "cold air intake" when the actual filter is INSIDE/UNDER the hood where it is 1000 degrees in there?
Unless someone can really enlighten me?
On the Q50 they're in an enclosed air box but the intake shroud has air ducts that get the air from the top of the grill. A drop in filter and lower downpipes will net you some game/ especially if you have jb4/uprev/ecutek.
GAD.. Try it with the hood down! That's the whole point of a CAI .. Heat soak too.. all that work for inaccurate real world result. Shows the factory air box + filter has good flow. That's really all you tested. Not the ability to scavenge cooler air.
Actually, none of these intakes use the hood to block heat from the filter. Some of them rely on the upper air duct to be installed, but that air duct doesn't require the hood to be closed. Running a car on the dyno with the hood closed is asking for heatsoak. We also gave the car plenty of time to cool down between runs and intake to make sure heatsoak wasn't an issue.
Concept Z Performance the fan blowing on the hood moves hot air and changes/disrupts the fluid dynamics of the air flow. In effect allowing the exposed filters to ingest cooler air than when at 50 in warm air letting heated air to enter the engine compartment. Don't believe me put a wireless thermometer on the outside of the filters, and on the front of the stock airfilter then go for a drive n see the differences. STILLEN and OEM will outshine the others. IMHO OEM is just fine. Fast Intentions full downpipes and CBE is the way to let the 3.0T breath
I think you might overestimate the volume of air a fan in front of the car moves in relation to what the intake is sucking in; we'll have to agree to disagree on this one I think!
Concept Z Performance
Doesn't this car have 300hp at crank? Is Infiniti lieing or there is virtually no drivetrain loss? lol...
Infiniti is severely underrating these cars from the factory. Check out our earlier video where we dyno our Q60 RedSport, they're definitely making more than their stated horsepower ratings.
Nope this car is 99.99% efficient... Obviously they arent giving a crank rating.
The upgraded 7 speed automatic is very efficient
My 17’ RWD Q50 premium makes around 330 whp 🤣
I had to give this video a thumbs down because you did not include the AMS CAI. How could you leave that out????
it wasn't available for sale at the time. We have some in stock now and are waiting till we have some free time to give it the same test
@@Conceptzperformanceczp Ok, thank you. I just bought it and installed the AMS/Infiniti CAIs. Can't totally tell a difference with sound or butt dyno but hopefully it added some measurable amount of HP.
Pointless, who runs a car with the hood open???
It's standard practice to dyno with the hood open to prevent the engine from overheating. Even the best shop fans won't move as much air as a car going 100mph+ would.
Man! Who would have thought the OEM box designed for the vehicle would produce the most power??? 😂