Redrawing + analyzing the Tigerstar and Sasha comics (REUPLOAD)
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- čas přidán 9. 08. 2020
- In this video, I'll be redrawing a page from the first Tigerstar and Sasha Warriors manga, and discussing what I think the main problems with the original are. I'll also show some of my research about the comic artist, because I think he might not be the one to blame for the quality.
Also, hope that you spotted my subscribe button animation!! I made it myself :))
The music is by Kevin McKleod! - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Sasha: but the look on that big, handsome cats face is priceless.
Tigerstar’s face: 👁 👄 👁
I always laughed on this part
👁 👅👁
He was cross-eyed
Greatest_Orange_Kiddo LMAO
omg hi Lali it’s Kat 😳💕💅
⊙ω⊙
Katze OMG HI 😳💓💓
I feel like the issue with the original art is that the artist tried to merge realistic human features with cartoon-esque cats and that sorta doesn't work,,, The thing is, the cats in the book are more semi-realistic, but in the sense that they look more realistic human than realistic cat, so it gets a tad strange.
idk just a hunch. He's clearly really talented though, but probably has more experience with drawings of humans and less anthropomorphized animals
I think i agree with this. While Northflower makes a great point in that you bring over things you've learned whenever you draw new things, there are also cons to that, and that's that sometimes you unintentionally bring over aspects and/or anatomy from what you're used to drawing. I started off drawing cats because of warriors, but even after drawing actual human characters for many years, I've been told that the way I draw eyes is still rather catlike. (Though apparently those who've said that seem to like it so... I guess whether this bleed is a con or a secret pro really depends lol.) Either way, I think it's plausible that the artist unintentionally leaned towards more human anatomy if they're unused to drawing cats.
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Sol‘ān Yes, but the Erins didn't draw this, a separate artist did. The Erins don't really have anything to do with the conversation.
I wouldn’t call the art in this manga terrible, I’ve definitely seen worse. I’d say the style doesn’t make movement for the cats look great, it looks wonky if anything. It’s also not coloured, so it makes it look more dull if anything.
It sometimes sort of looks like the drawing I would make when I didn't know how to do any anatomy yet, so I would try to follow anatomy a little too strictly -> stiff poses
Yo my drawings always look terrible and wonky before I color it in, so I just- I feel that
ikr! i agree with u so bad!
Mine are just horrible altogether 😓
Tbh I agree, Tigerstar without color kinda looks like Longtail :’)
I feel what happened is that they hired an artist with the wrong kind of experience, without checking that his artwork fit the style. The result is realistic looking cats with some of the scariest faces. This was clearly an attempt for the author to try and make it a "manga" by making the face like a 90s anime character and it falls flat on its face. I feel like if the author was making it a regular comic rather than it being a "manga", it would have turned out way, way, better.
I like this theory
Yea, we can see that the rest of the artist's "manga's" are waaayyy better than this
I am cr u sh ed I thought I made the first video private but apparently I didn't and it was up for over an hour :'D hope yall like elevator music
We do
elevator go vroom
Don’t worry North we love the elevator music
vroom vroom
I think the ring instead of the "usual bell" was actually a good touch.
Nice art northflower! I’m starting to realize just how hard it is on an artist to make a comic....having to draw enough pictures for one would be enough to give me a headache....but on a TIME LIMIT?? .............just no.
huh, i do this for fun.
Wait my comment has a heart help I’m not used to being special
there's a voiceover now!
me: *mutes the voiceover to check that the music is syncing properly*
me: "ok looks good!!!" *clicks export*
me: :))))) i did well
@@Northflowo yes, yes you did indeed 😌
Is your pfp kokichi from danganronpa?
@@jayceyanimatesstuff mhm
@@jayceyanimatesstuff D A N G A N R O N P A. AAAAAA-
The art in this manga isn't horrible, but it drains a lot of the personality of the cats with the limited movement and without books to describe everything. Most explaining goes into boxes, and I do like the Graystripe's Adventure/SkyClan and the Stranger/Ravenpaw's Path/A Shadow In RiverClan style better. It allows more expression, the cats are recognizable, and more action can happen if you can understand what's going on without constant exposition and explaining. Another problem is - there's no color to rescue them!
Also, I hate when people say they're "fixing" things. It's implied they think theirs is better, or that the original was terrible, especially when they lost the actual concepts no matter how "ugly" they are. I remember watching a video that "fixed" things that they claimed were the "worst", and by worst, they probably meant their level of appeal. They could have said redesign, and even then, their "fixes" weren't very great because they lost most of the original concepts and their redesigns were purely based on opinion, some of which lost their appeal because of that.
It seems there's more time being spent into the mangas. A Shadow In RiverClan seemed to take a sizable time, and though I know that if cats cry in real life, there's something wrong with them, it portrays human emotion and feelings - regret, hurt, and sadness. The cats in Warriors already have those emotions, so I think that throwing in human characteristics that cats can't normally experience like tasting and shrugging would be fine and would make it easier to understand these cats' emotions.
To be fair, we aren't cats so maybe tiger heart is really handsome in her eyes.
But I feel the art style might be a mix of timing issue, publishers being stingy, and the artist style not fitting on cats but again didn't have the time to make it work
*Tigerclaw
Tiger heart is tigerclaw’s grandson um
Tigerclaw not Tigerheart hhh
It's a mistake, c h i l l
Ooh I adore your voiceovers! Also that mouse is so cute I'm wheeping 🥺. Sasha yelling "fuck off" made me laugh so hard. You releasing your mistake with the ring had me wheezing as well. I love all your work my man, much love
i honestly really like the original comic (mainly the story, but i don’t really mind the art). i think some of the facial expressions are a bit wonky (i think the main issue was the eyes going off in different directions), but i think it’s fun ! i do love that sasha got to be a little sea cat that was adorable
ur redraw is rlly cool! i love how you changed things up instead of just mainly doing the same thing. i do also rlly like the ring sasha has around her neck 🥺 maybe it’s her owners? bless
sea sasha sea sasha! :3
2:39 caught me WAY off guard XD Had me laughing for 10 minutes!
Lol
Elevator music in the background
Thumbnail: how did it end up like this?
Me: HOW DID IT END UP LIKE THIS? IT WAS ONLY A KISS, *IT WAS ONLY A KISS*
LOL I JUST COMMENTED THE SAME THING
Jealousy, turning saints into the sea, swimming sick lullabies, choking on your alibis, but it’s just the pRICE I PAY, DESTINY IS CALLING ME, OPEN UP MY EEAGGGERRR EYESSS, ‘CAUSE I’M MR BRIGHTSIDE
Oh my god that's so accurate too
this manga hurt my soul, thank you for redrawing it jc it looks amazing hhh
and no dislikes on this video either, so that means people agree
Shasha
sHaShA 🤪 (:P)
Shshh
Northflower lol
Northflower Shshhashshha
Northflower even the captions know how you said it
2:38 This is my favorite part lol.
ok, if you dont get it she made tigerstar say F off
@@heyhihello9732 ya lol
Even though, like you said, it's obvious you're not used drawing panels like this, I still prefer your cause the caracters are way more expressives, and, as you aimed for a more cartounished style, you can make them more unique
One thing that I greatly love about your redraw is the value contrast (Oh, look at me using fancy words!). You’re colors go dark but also quite light in other places, which leads to a clearer more appealing look in general !
So I'm not only one who disliked art in "Tigerstar and Sasha", thank god lmao
Fr
Fr though, have you seen the squirrel or whatever it was that Sasha caught?
ikr
A thing that’s always bothered me about the original art is that the cats don’t have fur tufts... like they look naked
Claiming that you're "fixing" someone else's art is incredibly arrogant. You're basically just adding your own tweaks after the artist has done all the actual work. Nice to see there's at least one person in this fandom who understands that.
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She didnt say that she said redrawing
@@fallenflame1940 look at the last sentence they said
@@batkittii yea, so?
@@fallenflame1940 she’s saying that North fixing
I love it how she just has to add a ‘F Off’ to it
I didn’t expect an entire Warriors manga lesson
when i was in elementary school my friends LOVED the warriors novels but i was too poopoo brain to read chapter books so i read the comics ALL the time and now i have a bit of a soft spot for them, even though the art can be.. wonky at times. also the scourge manga is SUPER underrated i love it so much
once again, glad you don’t say fixing! this is really amazing by the way, I don’t care if it’s not as good as other people’s, it’s great in my opinion.
dude your shading is just a m a z i n g please tell me your secrets
I enjoy it a lot more becouse the original was pretty light and I personally found it hard to read! While yours there's a distinct show between the cats, the background, and the words
As I said it's for me personally but great job North it looks so good!!
North: Art can't be broken!
Me: *Smashes my glass painting after rage quitting*
Thumbnail: how did it end up like this?
Me: IT WAS ONLY A KISS, IT WAS ONLY A KISS
Dude your video concepts are so cool and creative, I love them!
I LOVE YOUR VERSION! the emotions are conveyed really well and your art style is just so good!!
When you started drawing “fuck off” in the speak bubble at 2:40 was really funny to me for some reason
i said it before and i'll say it again, the rise of scourge is the best warriors manga.
also, long shadows. i think they could've been more creative and would love to see how you change it.
I'd say Feathertail's Shadow is the best in my opinion
@@eifiekatx4483 you mean A Shadow In Riverclan?
In my opinion its change of winds is the best
i agree
Honestly, I LOVED the art. The markings and backgrounds got me really excited. Surprised not many others really like the art.
Why do so many animators undermine themselves. YOU ARE AMAZING
2:40
Bro...
Your version of the manga is really good!
I love your videos and your art is super snazzy
Man, you should seriously consider making your own custom comic, and posting it on Amino, or DevianArt, or Patreon, or something.
Yes youtube
No views and 12 likes
This comment is overused.
Ik sorry
Ah, yes
Love how North says Sasha.. “Shasha”
I do think yours is a big improvement. It feels a lot more natural with a more cartoony look.
You should redraw more covers! Your art is so pretty ♡
I think yours is better, or at least I like it more. Tigerstar faces in the og comic scares me a bit. Oof
The talk about "fixing" at the start reminded me of a time when I posted my artwork in a discord server, and someone dmed me with their TRACED SKETCH of MY ART, without my permission (they literally had my image with low opacity in the background...), and said "fixed it" like WHAT??? I didn't ask for you to, plus you're tracing without permission? They even had the audacity to post it in the server chat... Tracing is okay if you 1. Have permission or 2. Are tracing an image that is made for reference (like a photograph), or 3. Are tracing SKETCH ONLY for POSE ONLY or because you can't get a nose, mouth, eye, etc to look right. Of course that's my opinion, but it was also my art that they were tracing and those are my rules about tracing my art.
hm i actually think ur style fits perfectly for this comic!
There we are.
A voice.
2:38 was the purrrrrrfect part
2:40 lol
Me, not having ever read a single warrior cats book yet:
Also me watching this because I like Northflowo’s content: yes
2:40 pause real quick
I saw that-
Ayyy you fixed the audio
And such a cute and wonderful Subscribe button animation
You should do more re-draws!
btw as weird as it sounds your accent is very calm/soothing to me
2:40 is honestly the best analysis of that scene entirely
*FUGE OFF* oml yes I need that
I read the thumbnail in the tune of Mr Brightside, which made me read the title in the tune of Mr Brightside-
Your redraw is great
WOOOAHHH I LOVE THIS SOO MUCH
That style is old cats comics style
i’m ✨early✨
Nice I’m 16 hours late
that drawing is really good! defiantly better then the original!
AKFJASF I LOVE HOW YOU MADE TIGERSTAR SAY "FUCK YOU" FOR A SECOND AIOJSFAKF
you did great north!
Oo I really like your subscribe button animation!
your drawing is best!
I just read this and I agree on what you said about having a time limit
one part there's a cool scene, next we see cross eyed Tigerstar
I love the redraw!
I think yours it better. The original artist did a really good job but the semi-realistic art style looks more like Aristocats rather than Warriors. I think the more cartoony style fits Warriors better.
I like how you wrote fluff off in the chat bubble.
The mouse is so cute!!
He looks really good
i feel like the art for the manga doesnt really look like cats mainly there faces. they look more human then cats. nice art and video north
The mouse is what is appealing to me
I love it!
tbh ive always really enjoyed the art in the tigerstar and sasha books
I like the art style in HawkWing's journey a lot- I've only ever read 4 super editions and the art styles weren't the same- but I think it's interesting the way it's drawn/shaded
To keep my art accurate, at the sketch stage i look at refferences to make sure everything is accurate, and sometimes I just take a break.
This vid was made 2 years ago, ik, but what mainly bothered me about the artstyle is that it NEVER gave the cats fur- they never even drew any strong of fur or anything, just virtually nothing, and it made the cats look bald and uncanny. I feel like most people that don't draw felines alot forget that fluffy cats exist. But overral, I actually think the art style is quite nice- not something for me, I can say, but it can look very cool
You did a great job at recreating the page! *(Ahem... two years ago...)*
That is better than the original art style I think
I'm wondering, do you do commissions?
Is it just me or is that comic art much better then the current comic art we get in the warrior cats comics?
NorthFlower: **Talking**
Tigerstar: FUCK OFF
oooooh nice :)
2:40 "Fuck off"
I felt that
I REMEMBER THIS BOOK
i loved it
I’m just shocked that this only took you 2 hours
7:12. 100%, I would buy a comic in your version then on the other one. Not saying the other one was bad, it’s just that it is kinda confusing. But I love your design better then his design
I wonder what you thought of when you mentioned the ring...
Hmmmmm
I have an idea bUT
*why did they have to make the cat’s eyes human-like*
This isn’t meant to make fun of your accent but the captions said “Shashank” instead of “Sasha”
Also, PLEASE make more of these! I loved it!!!
i think that the artist also might be more used to lineless art, because the cover is really pretty i think
Nobody:
Northflowo: *elevator music.*
I believe that if there was no time restraints on the art I would have been better it takes me about 1.5 hours to make a single character reference
Hi, can I discuss an idea for map somewhere with you?
Comic book artists tend to cover up a lot of anatomical issues and emotion shots with cool poses and dynamics. even when they draw people, they struggle with expression and anatomy animals consistently exhibit a difficulty for traditional comic artists, however, even amongst that considered, the warriors manga is a bit sloppy, wether rushed or a lack of interest i cant say.
Why is the background music causing Deja Vu? I think I’ve heard this song before... in a nostalgic app game
I wish I could read the novel north style its so good
Aight. The Erins need to hire Northflower for a warriors manga.
Make it happen.
N o w.
As Bob Ross said: no mistakes just happy accidents
Everyone look at what Northoflowo wrote in the bubble min 2:45
But wait drawing a comic sounds fun now, it's hard, but it sounds fun
personally i kinda like the art style in the manga, i like the semi-realism (i like realistic warriors art) and honestly it looks kinda funny
it looks weird, but i like it