Dr Monro was a real doctor of the Bethlem /Bedlam hospital and "treated" people with mental illnesses. The hospital did some horrific things to their patients, it's honestly disgusting when you read how patients were treated at the hospital. Those "treatments" did nothing for George but except probably worsen his condition.
@@anomalygIf you find yourself curious about the horrors of medicine, I suggest you to do a deep dive into psychology experiments from the 1900s specially between 20s to 80s, it shows how HORRIBLE AND UNETHICAL science was and the sacrifices they made other people/animals do in order to know what we know today. Specially this ones: - Little Albert’s experiment (one of the cruelest things I’ve ever read in my career - Bruce Reimer (and insult to humanity) - Stanford Jail experiment - the university of Iowa experiment on Orphans by Wendell Johnson - of course Mk Ultra experiment This are just a few. It is so sad to think our wellbeing today drags the pain of all this poor creatures (animals and humans ) who never agreed to be treated like objects
I'm thinking that Dr. Munro's treatments appeared "effective" at the beginning because of the shock factor. Slapping the king shocked him out of the panic attack that was coming on. But once the shock wore off, and he was expecting the harsh treatment, it was just plain old torture, and that isn't good for ANYONE. Famously, the reason Bedlam was exposed is because a journalist allowed himself to be locked into Bedlam for a short period time and he wrote the famous words that if someone wasn't insane before being locked in that place, spending only a short amount of time there would be enough to MAKE someone insane. So in many cases of mental illness, there is no cure. There is only management. And the best way to manage it is put that person in a place they feel safe, loved, taken care of, etc. Nowadays we do have medications to counteract brain imbalances, but again, that's coming down to just management, not cure.
for sure, so many disorders have been proven that there simply is no cure but psychologists always say the best way to help manage it is a loving and supportive community. and that's even for disorders that do have cures, the world really just needs more cognitive empathy.
That a-hole doctor knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he told George that Charlotte was pregnant. He knew exactly what would happen and that George would come crawling back to him. Absolutely sickening and manipulative.
You see the same scenes between them, but they used different takes. He's softer in his point of view than in the versions of the scenes we saw before. It's subtle, but pretty cool that they did that.
This episode is so well done. The attention to lowering George's voice and demeanor in his version, where in Charlotte's perspective he's yelling. What George is going thru to show up for Charlotte.
I'm so glad we're having more open conversations and better treatment for mental illnesses these days. Can't imagine how horrible it must've been for people in the past (and even now in some other parts of the world)
absoluttely horrific things going on now for sure, in the US it's completely legal to send people to jail just for having certain disorders because they're fully stigmatized.
(*this is from my personal experience of witnessing a loved one struggling. This episode and the 6th one are absolutely moving. Love George & Charlotte's love story)
and fears as well! although there are a plethora of types of episodes where it can just show a person's fixations, the majority often stem from paranoia, as it goes hand in hand with psychosis.
I always think I'm gonna watch these reactions and be totally fine but Michelle Fairley's performance as she's talking to Charlotte explaining what a mother will do for her son absolutely breaks me over and over again
It doesn’t matter how many times I watch the sequences with the doctor, it disgusts me so much and pisses me off. The doctor was so OBVIOUSLY on a power trip and had no intention of treating George, but controlling him from the shadows. He felt as if he were above George due to his ailment and took advantage of the trust they all placed in him. It’s even worse discovering that asshole was a real person.
AFAIK historians don’t really know what George III had. So different movies/plays pull from different presentations. I thought this actor did an excellent job.
It's interesting to see sympathetic portrayals of George III, especially to the US where he's easy to villainize. By all accounts he was popular throughout his reign for being a hard-working and moral man of the people. He was pretty strict with his children, especially his wayward sons (2 of which would become kings). I think some depictions of the monarchy tend to focus on it being this tremendous soul-killing burden, but it depends on the person, if you're good at it you're good at it, but some are not. I think the show has brought forward some of the issues he suffered later in life as an overall representation of his condition, although he suffered issues before, his first major breakdown was when he was 50.
Correction: THREE of his sons became Kings. George III was king of both the UK and of Hanover, both titles were inherited by his eldest son, then second eldest. UK laws then had the throne pass to Victoria, the daughter of his third son (who was already dead), but Hanover didn't allow for female rulers so was instead inherited by his fourth son.
I like that the show is willing to be very sympathetic to mental health issues and actually talk about them, considering how we need to fight these stigmas. Doing the portrayal realistically after age 50 would mean the story would push too far into Bridgerton itself. If he’s only 10 years into the attacks, that’s 1808. It’s only 4-6 years before the TV Bridgerton era happens. Best to show them in their own era. Plus all the drama set against the beginning of their marriage.
I recognized Doctor Monro as Mr. Collins from Lost in Austen, but shame on me for forgetting that’s Guy Henry. Aka Tarkin in Rogue One! (And yes, I know he has a major resume at this point.)
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Dr Monro was a real doctor of the Bethlem /Bedlam hospital and "treated" people with mental illnesses. The hospital did some horrific things to their patients, it's honestly disgusting when you read how patients were treated at the hospital. Those "treatments" did nothing for George but except probably worsen his condition.
Thank you for this insight. I am going to read up on this. How inhumane and HORRIFIC!!! This creates trauma.
@@anomalygIf you find yourself curious about the horrors of medicine, I suggest you to do a deep dive into psychology experiments from the 1900s specially between 20s to 80s, it shows how HORRIBLE AND UNETHICAL science was and the sacrifices they made other people/animals do in order to know what we know today. Specially this ones:
- Little Albert’s experiment (one of the cruelest things I’ve ever read in my career
- Bruce Reimer (and insult to humanity)
- Stanford Jail experiment
- the university of Iowa experiment on Orphans by Wendell Johnson
- of course Mk Ultra experiment
This are just a few. It is so sad to think our wellbeing today drags the pain of all this poor creatures (animals and humans ) who never agreed to be treated like objects
I'm thinking that Dr. Munro's treatments appeared "effective" at the beginning because of the shock factor. Slapping the king shocked him out of the panic attack that was coming on. But once the shock wore off, and he was expecting the harsh treatment, it was just plain old torture, and that isn't good for ANYONE. Famously, the reason Bedlam was exposed is because a journalist allowed himself to be locked into Bedlam for a short period time and he wrote the famous words that if someone wasn't insane before being locked in that place, spending only a short amount of time there would be enough to MAKE someone insane. So in many cases of mental illness, there is no cure. There is only management. And the best way to manage it is put that person in a place they feel safe, loved, taken care of, etc. Nowadays we do have medications to counteract brain imbalances, but again, that's coming down to just management, not cure.
Similarly, Nellie Bly was an American journalist who went undercover at a NYC insane asylum in 1887 to expose the horrors there.
for sure, so many disorders have been proven that there simply is no cure but psychologists always say the best way to help manage it is a loving and supportive community. and that's even for disorders that do have cures, the world really just needs more cognitive empathy.
That a-hole doctor knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he told George that Charlotte was pregnant. He knew exactly what would happen and that George would come crawling back to him. Absolutely sickening and manipulative.
You see the same scenes between them, but they used different takes. He's softer in his point of view than in the versions of the scenes we saw before. It's subtle, but pretty cool that they did that.
This episode is so well done. The attention to lowering George's voice and demeanor in his version, where in Charlotte's perspective he's yelling. What George is going thru to show up for Charlotte.
I forget how awesome this series was, thank you for revisiting it guys because it means I can revisit it too!
I would have loved to see the doctor in the chair. Very horrific how mental illness was treated back then. Sometimes even now.
I'm so glad we're having more open conversations and better treatment for mental illnesses these days. Can't imagine how horrible it must've been for people in the past (and even now in some other parts of the world)
Judge rottenberg center is STILL using shock treatment. It’s horrific.
absoluttely horrific things going on now for sure, in the US it's completely legal to send people to jail just for having certain disorders because they're fully stigmatized.
Episodes of Psychosis can trigger behaviours that reflect the fixations/interests of the person having the mental health break.
(*this is from my personal experience of witnessing a loved one struggling. This episode and the 6th one are absolutely moving. Love George & Charlotte's love story)
and fears as well! although there are a plethora of types of episodes where it can just show a person's fixations, the majority often stem from paranoia, as it goes hand in hand with psychosis.
I always think I'm gonna watch these reactions and be totally fine but Michelle Fairley's performance as she's talking to Charlotte explaining what a mother will do for her son absolutely breaks me over and over again
I love little things in Bridgeton with the Queen have deeper meaning after watching this series. Thank u for reviewing this❤
It doesn’t matter how many times I watch the sequences with the doctor, it disgusts me so much and pisses me off. The doctor was so OBVIOUSLY on a power trip and had no intention of treating George, but controlling him from the shadows. He felt as if he were above George due to his ailment and took advantage of the trust they all placed in him. It’s even worse discovering that asshole was a real person.
AFAIK historians don’t really know what George III had. So different movies/plays pull from different presentations. I thought this actor did an excellent job.
Thank you for your reactions, I enjoy them so much
It's interesting to see sympathetic portrayals of George III, especially to the US where he's easy to villainize. By all accounts he was popular throughout his reign for being a hard-working and moral man of the people. He was pretty strict with his children, especially his wayward sons (2 of which would become kings).
I think some depictions of the monarchy tend to focus on it being this tremendous soul-killing burden, but it depends on the person, if you're good at it you're good at it, but some are not. I think the show has brought forward some of the issues he suffered later in life as an overall representation of his condition, although he suffered issues before, his first major breakdown was when he was 50.
Correction: THREE of his sons became Kings. George III was king of both the UK and of Hanover, both titles were inherited by his eldest son, then second eldest. UK laws then had the throne pass to Victoria, the daughter of his third son (who was already dead), but Hanover didn't allow for female rulers so was instead inherited by his fourth son.
I like that the show is willing to be very sympathetic to mental health issues and actually talk about them, considering how we need to fight these stigmas. Doing the portrayal realistically after age 50 would mean the story would push too far into Bridgerton itself. If he’s only 10 years into the attacks, that’s 1808. It’s only 4-6 years before the TV Bridgerton era happens. Best to show them in their own era. Plus all the drama set against the beginning of their marriage.
The series is brilliant, but difficult to watch, because of the suffering of the King. Your reactions were great to see
All those things the doctor did to George just made him worse
poor george
Why is Grand Moff Tarkin torturing the King?
I recognized Doctor Monro as Mr. Collins from Lost in Austen, but shame on me for forgetting that’s Guy Henry. Aka Tarkin in Rogue One! (And yes, I know he has a major resume at this point.)
I forgot, how boring this episode was. It would be way nicer, if they could have incorporated it in some other episodes.
i think it was more heartbreaking than boring
It was content to show the king's point for the audience 👏