Pilaf needs to be limited or errata to not being able to get itself. The pilaf into pilaf into pilaf into pilaf into final hope slash is just as broken as a glimpse.
Cell games arena as a ban i think is ridiculous. I think its an insane consistency card and instead of killing consistency, people should accept these and have more decks with cards of similar effects. Simple as that. Pokemon works as an insane card game because of how consistent everything is, and if other TCG took some inspiration, it'd be less of a top deck fiesta.
If you ban cell arena you kill the entire deck !!! It s the only playable Cell card in the deck with the lvl 8 😅 If you ban it, you have to ban pilaf, zeno, kefla, goku blue in the yellow deck, blue vegito and so many cards. So no, bandai must only ban abused cards in the meta.
3:30 Ok so if we're touching Cell Games then Zeno needs to get hit too. No way we're just Nerfing Red and Green and ignoring the fact blue is the only one that can stack Zenos and board wipe back to back to back. Cell Games is not only a risk to use early since it doesn't give any damage presence vs a 4 cost Vegeta or Goku, but it is literally one of the only 2-3 energy loops Cell has to ramp for another 8 cost Cell. I call bs on that. Edit: As far as Zeno being blue locked, It's as if we're playing Yugioh and only Blue Eyes decks can run dark hole like what? lol.
Imo an errata on Godku would be the best for the game balance with an errata for Pilaf and limits to Gigantic meteor, Glimpse, Roshi, Cell Games, and Broly is everything that needs to be addressed.
Honestly at this point why is there a ban list coming out set 3 is about to come out soon and something else is going to replace topku some set 3 nonsense will be busted and people will be raging about that
I just posted a reaction about this yesterday, impecable news RIGHT AFTER i got the full rarity deck from your brother the other day. hahaha i see theres some LGS' that already banned ToPku and limited Kefla to 2
Because I think blue is fair and balanced. The deck requires big brain moves to perform. And it takes a lot of practice to learn how to properly play it.
@@philplaystcg420 I disagree that it's fair and balanced Zenoh, Pilaf, Galick Gun, Goku Black, sinister sickle, ect. Are all examples of cards that produce an insanely high value and are blue. I disagree with hitting combo extra's: Blue power awakening isn't even real 90% of the time, unless your against green or blue so I guess hit it but it's not a good card unless the meta only consists of late game big battle cards. Glimpse I understand wanting to hit because it creates a copy of any problem card ever printed current or in the future but your argument isn't to futureproof it's that you don't want other colors to get value cards. Gigantic meteor hit is arguably the same as hitting Gallick gun. I don't think it bandai will hit cell arena simply because it stops the deck from being able to make the one play it is supposed to make. I would agree with hitting gigantic strength to slow down the ramping the color can do as a whole. What i'm trying to say is your opinion seems very bias that it seems like you haven't thought of what a format would look like without topku.
I love how it took you so long to remember divine hammer, because of how trash that card is. All of the other two drops are 25k and then a secondary benefit, and blue’s is over here like “if you spent 4 energy prior and it managed to survive …. You can hit … for 30! Or it’s a completely dead card in hand.” Meanwhile every glimpse is basically 35k naturally because of the draw from drop. Cause it’s not blue without completely unnecessary restrictions.
Limiting stuff might be the best choice, if they end up banning stuff the color as a whole suffers especially when they release Leaders of the other universes they’ll be weaker from the get-go
Limiting cards is not the way to go, unless you're talking about choice restrictions. It would just make the game feel sacky and less enjoyable to play imo
No way you don’t talk about Pilaf or even Galick Gun. Saying playing a 25k extra for 1e is busted, that’s basically what Galick is especially since most of your cards are 10k combos and not much needs to be said with Pilaf.
He clearly is in Topku. And I don't want to ban leaders, so we have to look at their pieces. Red in general has FAR too many self awakeners, it's ok to lose one
Ban the topku leader. Roshi is only a threat in topku, rebrianne isn't a threat she's just a double striker just like the androids and Vegeta and Frieza. Blue has a roshi called mai who takes 2 life and if the argument is about his reduce cost for extras blue has Bulma for that. No other color has those. Every color has its ridiculous plays, but topku is the consistent problem. And why gigantic meteor? It's basic. These other cards are just detours to take the attention off of topku.
that roshi argument was kinda stupid tho, you literaly described why roshi is a problem. it does in 1 card what blue can do in 2... Yes roshi is only good in topku bc topku wants to awaken as fast as possible to start using is awaken ability, but i think the issue with roshi lies more on all the things it doesnt in a single card. awakening once per turn, 10k combo, 1 energy discount on ability use. I think its too much for a 1 cost tbh
@@wishmeluck1124 watch you mouth, learn how to talk to someone before opening it. Didn't like that did you? These first two sentences could have been left out of this reply just like yours. Anyway... All you were focused on was the roshi aspect, while red has a huge handful of self awakeners, you're worried about little ol roshi. I actually play this game and the only time roshi is a problem is when it's topku. Same can be said of all the red cards. We all know what topkus gameplay strategy is it, that was "stupid to point that out tho". Another thing is roshi is the only card that actually forces to take a life for an effect so yea we should clearly ban him for being balanced. All those choose up to effects that can be zero and still grant you the benefits is what should be considered to be an errata and or banned.
@@Limitless_Media Hitting every color will do nothing to balance the game. It will have the same effect as doing nothing. There will still be a BDIF and the bandwagon will proceed to cry about that.
I just thankful players don't do ban list
Pilaf needs to be limited or errata to not being able to get itself. The pilaf into pilaf into pilaf into pilaf into final hope slash is just as broken as a glimpse.
Cell games arena as a ban i think is ridiculous. I think its an insane consistency card and instead of killing consistency, people should accept these and have more decks with cards of similar effects. Simple as that.
Pokemon works as an insane card game because of how consistent everything is, and if other TCG took some inspiration, it'd be less of a top deck fiesta.
If you ban cell arena you kill the entire deck !!!
It s the only playable Cell card in the deck with the lvl 8 😅
If you ban it, you have to ban pilaf, zeno, kefla, goku blue in the yellow deck, blue vegito and so many cards.
So no, bandai must only ban abused cards in the meta.
3:30 Ok so if we're touching Cell Games then Zeno needs to get hit too. No way we're just Nerfing Red and Green and ignoring the fact blue is the only one that can stack Zenos and board wipe back to back to back. Cell Games is not only a risk to use early since it doesn't give any damage presence vs a 4 cost Vegeta or Goku, but it is literally one of the only 2-3 energy loops Cell has to ramp for another 8 cost Cell. I call bs on that.
Edit: As far as Zeno being blue locked, It's as if we're playing Yugioh and only Blue Eyes decks can run dark hole like what? lol.
Imo an errata on Godku would be the best for the game balance with an errata for Pilaf and limits to Gigantic meteor, Glimpse, Roshi, Cell Games, and Broly is everything that needs to be addressed.
Honestly at this point why is there a ban list coming out set 3 is about to come out soon and something else is going to replace topku some set 3 nonsense will be busted and people will be raging about that
Exactly. People crying and lack of originality in deck building is what's ruining the game.
Set 3 comes out over 2 months from now. That's not soon. The game won't survive until then if nothing changes
I see blue meta coming in after if this list came true 😂 pilaf loop is crazy that should be ban too
Right just ban everything good in every color that will fix the game.
I just posted a reaction about this yesterday, impecable news RIGHT AFTER i got the full rarity deck from your brother the other day.
hahaha
i see theres some LGS' that already banned ToPku and limited Kefla to 2
How am I half way through the video and I haven't heard a single blue card being mentioned.
Because I think blue is fair and balanced. The deck requires big brain moves to perform. And it takes a lot of practice to learn how to properly play it.
@@philplaystcg420 I disagree that it's fair and balanced Zenoh, Pilaf, Galick Gun, Goku Black, sinister sickle, ect. Are all examples of cards that produce an insanely high value and are blue.
I disagree with hitting combo extra's: Blue power awakening isn't even real 90% of the time, unless your against green or blue so I guess hit it but it's not a good card unless the meta only consists of late game big battle cards. Glimpse I understand wanting to hit because it creates a copy of any problem card ever printed current or in the future but your argument isn't to futureproof it's that you don't want other colors to get value cards. Gigantic meteor hit is arguably the same as hitting Gallick gun. I don't think it bandai will hit cell arena simply because it stops the deck from being able to make the one play it is supposed to make. I would agree with hitting gigantic strength to slow down the ramping the color can do as a whole.
What i'm trying to say is your opinion seems very bias that it seems like you haven't thought of what a format would look like without topku.
Im scared. If they touch Kefla U7 is even worse than before 😭
I love how it took you so long to remember divine hammer, because of how trash that card is. All of the other two drops are 25k and then a secondary benefit, and blue’s is over here like “if you spent 4 energy prior and it managed to survive …. You can hit … for 30! Or it’s a completely dead card in hand.”
Meanwhile every glimpse is basically 35k naturally because of the draw from drop.
Cause it’s not blue without completely unnecessary restrictions.
Facts!
Limiting stuff might be the best choice, if they end up banning stuff the color as a whole suffers especially when they release Leaders of the other universes they’ll be weaker from the get-go
Limiting cards is not the way to go, unless you're talking about choice restrictions. It would just make the game feel sacky and less enjoyable to play imo
No way you don’t talk about Pilaf or even Galick Gun. Saying playing a 25k extra for 1e is busted, that’s basically what Galick is especially since most of your cards are 10k combos and not much needs to be said with Pilaf.
Ehhhh. Definitely not a guaranteed 25K with galick gun. Blue does play extra cards, boss cards (0K) cards, and 5Ks too.
Where’s the blue cards lmao pilaf isn’t healthy
Idk how I feel about a ban list without some type of better crafting system.
the game is more than just digital tho. there is still a need for a ban list. and digital definitetly needs a better crafting system
I just want know I must be missing some think why lot CZcamsrs baning cell games llol
It's not bad while Topku exists, but if green returns to the meta, cell will be disgusting
not a single blue card on banned or limited, so he plays blue and is just sad. blue needs a nerf after top goku. its just toxic what they can do.
Green needs it far more than blue.
Just ban godku
Here we go again with the roshi ban….when he clearly not a problem
Agree
He clearly is in Topku. And I don't want to ban leaders, so we have to look at their pieces. Red in general has FAR too many self awakeners, it's ok to lose one
Ban the topku leader. Roshi is only a threat in topku, rebrianne isn't a threat she's just a double striker just like the androids and Vegeta and Frieza. Blue has a roshi called mai who takes 2 life and if the argument is about his reduce cost for extras blue has Bulma for that. No other color has those. Every color has its ridiculous plays, but topku is the consistent problem. And why gigantic meteor? It's basic. These other cards are just detours to take the attention off of topku.
that roshi argument was kinda stupid tho, you literaly described why roshi is a problem. it does in 1 card what blue can do in 2... Yes roshi is only good in topku bc topku wants to awaken as fast as possible to start using is awaken ability, but i think the issue with roshi lies more on all the things it doesnt in a single card. awakening once per turn, 10k combo, 1 energy discount on ability use. I think its too much for a 1 cost tbh
@@wishmeluck1124 watch you mouth, learn how to talk to someone before opening it. Didn't like that did you? These first two sentences could have been left out of this reply just like yours. Anyway... All you were focused on was the roshi aspect, while red has a huge handful of self awakeners, you're worried about little ol roshi. I actually play this game and the only time roshi is a problem is when it's topku. Same can be said of all the red cards. We all know what topkus gameplay strategy is it, that was "stupid to point that out tho". Another thing is roshi is the only card that actually forces to take a life for an effect so yea we should clearly ban him for being balanced. All those choose up to effects that can be zero and still grant you the benefits is what should be considered to be an errata and or banned.
he just want things get banned that he dont like or cant play against xD just dont do vids like this dude.
I gave every explanation why I thought they needed to be banned. But I guess lucky for you, only 3 things were touched
The only card that should maybe be touched is the topku leader. None of these other cards need to be touched.
Respectfully disagree, to make a balanced format for everybody that isn't true at all
@@Limitless_Media Hitting every color will do nothing to balance the game. It will have the same effect as doing nothing. There will still be a BDIF and the bandwagon will proceed to cry about that.