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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2023
- The MTA hosted a special preview event, giving reporters a ride aboard its brand new R211 subway cars. N.J. Burkett has the story.
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It's nice to improve the train cars but they should also consider improving the platforms with screen doors to prevent ppl from being pushed on to the tracks
That's smart
That's already a thing being planned for, it was announced a couple months back
Ppl have a much higher chance at getting hurt from being caught in malfunctioning platform screen doors than falling onto the tracks.
MTA IS BROKE AND COMING FOR OUR WALLETS.
@@AndyB718 facts especially when public transportation should be free for the poor
so now what your saying is if the cart sinks there is no way to get away from the smell
a much fancier hotel for the homeless
dawg its not like the smell will travel more than 10 feet
@@nexztrah3712 lmaooo sir have you ever been on the Subway and have someone smell so bad that the entire car stink.....
@@bearwhite98 Yea I've been there before. But I'm sure if you go down two cars, you'll escape the putrid smell.
@@nexztrah3712 the smell travels far more than 10ft. You obviously don't ride the NYC subway system.
No doors between carts?! Ladies and gentlemen, get ready for the best "SHOWTIMEEE!!" performances you'll ever see lol
Try again go back to the 1930s another train before this one that had it BMT D type Triplex
Trust me its great, Toronto has it and its so nice to be able to walk through the ENTIRE train to find a seat or some space to stand- plus if there is an emergency then more people will be in the car and able to see
@@andrewisvrycool I agree, this is cool. Is that I know that in NYC their are people that ain't going to know how to act.
My heart sank when they started roasting the r46 😔
Riding that train is like riding in a luxury car. The atmosphere combined with the window seats and the plush suspension makes it one of my favorite subway cars
The best train
I'm gonna miss the 46s. Best subway cars in the system after the 44s were taken out.
I don’t know about luxury but i’m rockaway and I will miss the distinctive hum and door chimes of the train. But when riding those trains all the time, it’s good for a change especially the cameras.
You consider that a 'luxury' vehicle ? It is very deficient compared to other systems throughout the world.
@@quantisedspace7047🤓🤓🤓
Anyone who has traveled on urban rail transit in the more advanced Asian cities knows how deficient the NYC system is. It's an embarrassment.
It’s also a cultural thing. The people in Asian countries are generally cleaner, have good etiquette, etc.
True! I love to go to Europe, Russia or Asia and use subway right there, but not in NYC.
Yeah because their a homogeneous population that have a care for their area. Not these randos who don't give af
@@petrbutkarev4548 but europe is not a country and europe is not asia
@@rummanrk canada is dirty compared to dubai
These cars might be appropriate for Asian countries, but in New York City, a homeless person with strong odor is going to be able to smelled in 3 cars rather than 1.
bart has cars that can close doors but u can walk between doors
Europe has them too and probably other continents.
in latinamerica they have this type of trains
It's an improvement but hardly a subway of the future if you've seen metro trains from other countries. New York really needs to renovate all their stations.
Agreed, as someone who once lived in NY, it sad to see them miss golden opportunities to really shine and make the city better, but it's always easier to just give away gimmicks and say it's a good step forward (and cheaper).
It is genuinely sad that NYC thinks this car is considered “the future”..
This is still way behind subways in Asia. How is this the future when this is 20 year old tech.
Some countries just have trouble with how to prioritize things. I think in a way it's already quite telling that they were able to acquire new cars (and reading some of the comments, not seeing the benefit in that because of how old some of the metro network in security systems actually is, causing delays and what not) because the US in general is so car-focused.
Public transportation in a lot of US cities is considered as an afterthought, not considered something to immediately think of when designing a new area or redesigning one.
That, in a way is probably the cause of what is shown in this video.
And next to that: Asian countries in general tend to be much more technologically advanced than some Western countries like to portray themselves to be. We have an RFID-type payment system for public transportation and it pales in comparison to usability, speed, user-friendlyness but also implementation in general to all the similar contactless systems I have read about in Asian countries.
Next to this: in The Netherlands, we also dumped such a stupid amount of money in national adoption of said system that my brother had a Ukranian friend who told about the contactless system in the Kyiv subway be amazed the country hadn't protested for weeks because of the costs involved.
Their subway system allowed 3 or 4 types of payment products: cash money, tokens (something to do with family status, the friend he visited had some trouble explaining it in English), an RFID pass or your mobile phone.
Especially that last part took The Netherlands another 100 million or something to implement in a very bad, haphazard way, after having spend close to 3 billion for national implementation of the first contact-less system.
At the time of national implementation (2010), the system used technology from 1995 (With government shouting "this is the future!") , which had multiple universities warn government about because the chip used was NOT meant for electronic bank transfers because it was meant for shipping-tracking applications, and as a result, was not secure, and would run a serious risk of getting hacked (Which, as you can probably imagine, happened A LOT by students who tried to warn government what they decided to implement on a national level...ever since the chip has been upgraded...something they should've done from the beginning).
Now the homeless smell can travel freely between cars and people performing/begging don’t have to repeat themselves every car. What a wonderful time to believe!!
MTA needs to clean the subways and get rid of the criminals before these trains hit the scene.
The whole country’s a joke
@@SSNESS Unfortunately.
Don't like the removal of interior passage doors with the open walk-through of cars. It's imperative to have the option of isolating cars in event of emergency.
Yeah like are they asking for a guy to come on and line people up ??? Very unsafe and dystopian
Other countries already have trains that are like that. I actually think it looks really cool.
@@professional.commentator other countries are much more civilized...
Fr fr great point made
Well there are some points to be made. Yes, you are right, but what if a dumbass decided to harm an isolated train car with a packed car. Those people will have no option to run away...hence the removal of the doors. Better flow of people. But at least there are security cameras to help with that!
The R46 trains was the Subway car of the future and clearly the new R211 trains evolved from the R42/43/44/46, which were like cool & quiet spaceships compared to the R17, R22-28, R32-33... tho the horizontally corrugated stainless of the R32s were quite sleek, and the R40 slantface trains were retro-futuristic; two R40 connected-together make the best in-between open-air Subway rides, especially on the A train 🚆
Got Milk you know your trains...Are you a Car Inspector or Road Car Inspector??
@shabazzx6381 - no, I just liked to cut class and sneak into the Subways for rides around the boroughs; there was an exit-only staircase down to the Subways on Park Row(?) on an island block btwn City Hall, JR Music World and Woolworths, and any skinny kid like me could squeeze underneath the exit-only turnstiles... being an MTA motorman is like a dream job... my life is now here in California entertainment industry, and it's kinda sad to think about... with family back in east coast
@@gotmilk91 Wow!! J&R music world...I miss that store...They had all the Jazz music..From Miles Davis to Chick Corea and so much more..Good luck to you in the industry...😁
@@shabazzx6381 - I think there was a 'Bates'(?) rights next door... much smaller store that stayed competitive with J&R!
@@gotmilk91 Yeah you're correct...There was a competitive outlet next to J&R..However I cannot recall the name...City Hall Park always had live bands performing in the Park...Since Covid that is no more..
Now let's see them get spray painted 🤣💯😂
Lol…who’s going to be left to ride these cars. Everyone is looking to exit this over priced high crime toll gouging state!
The forgot the fact that one smelly homeless will funk the whole train up in one shot. No longer can you run to the next cart.
The subway car of the future? Europeans and Asian countries have been using these cars for 20 years.
panhandlers dream they will never have to stop at every stop and get on next cart
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not to mention the odors that would float around the train. now you can go to the next car if the previous car is smelly....
Shyne
And show time guys
Older car models had seats facing different directions, which is ideal for people with motion sickness. Now it looks like they're going to be fewer seats and they're all facing sideways. Doesn't look very comfortable but hopefully these cars will run better theoretically.
No trains have bid the sideways seats since the 80s
Extremely low priority issue
The "new" metro's in Amsterdam almost all have sideways seats and I'm not a fan. As for the motion sickness, I have not had it very bad (I only got to experience it after a severe corona infection gave me a malfunctioning balancing organ as a side/after effect) but the most annoying thing for me is how with braking and accelerating, you don't have a good way to stay seated upright.
Especially when a driver is in a hurry or the tracks are slippery and the emergency brake is applied to stop it is a very uncomfortable type of seating position, which is why I try to always look for the spots near the doors (in The Netherlands we don't have those metal bars/racks things, but 1 bar with plexiglass or something in it).
When the train accelerates or brakes, depending on driving direction, there's at least 1 type of movement I don't have to lean into.
In Amsterdam the sideways seats were used with the idea that metro travel typically is shorter distance so you might not have to remain seated as much as on a train.
The Amsterdam metro network is special/weird in it's own way given how the biggest part consists out of the old network in which 3 lines run on the exact same tracks and stop at the exact same stations for about 6 or 7 stops and only then branch out to different locations.
Sideway seats also allow for a much bigger capacity of standing passengers, and typically causes less obstruction when walking through the car, either because of wanting to leave or wanting to look for a different seat if possible.
I get the idea behind the design, but there are some things that leave a lot to be desired.
It increases total capacity to have as many people standing as possible, and sideways facing seats allow that.
@@unconventionalideas5683 Yes, I get that. But it was also adopted with the idea that travelling distance would be short and standing would not be as much of an inconvenience. That was all.
The reason I brought it up (and didn't clarify this well enough) is that the new metro's were also put into service on the North-Southline (The newest addition to the network) and that the idea was that people would travel from North to South a lot, but the opposite turned out to be true, which is what causes a lot of disruption due to the immense amounts of people boarding and exiting at some of the major stations.
So I can’t help but notice, this will make it easier for beggars to walk up and down the cars without waiting for stops. The bad smells with probably travel. Won’t be able to escape the idiots that light cigarettes on the train. Not to mention, it wasn’t that long ago when someone shot up the train. Imagine the damage he would’ve caused if these cars were in action when that happened. If it solves the whole “signal issue” I guess it’s a plus because they’ll actually be on time for a change but I can see a lotttt of flaws with this design.
Ding ding ding someone’s paying attention
If this train design was like this when we had the shooting, what you think would have happened
@@johnvyskoc4417 mass casualty
There are cameras on the train, so they can identify the criminal.
nyc should learn japense/hong kong train system..
they're bigger & a lot cleaner than nyc train....
even the metro card is better.
Cleaner because ppl are cleaner. Have you seen the ppl that ride the metro in US?
@@ID_iKONIC_VIP exactly!!! Also these new trains will be vandalised ...Unlike in HongKong or Japan
@@ID_iKONIC_VIP Next to this, I think a lot of Western countries also simply make the mistake of continuously trying to cut back on the wages of cleaners, and the amount of cleaners and cleaning time for each car.
We continue to think in money-terms only, instead of how it could benefit other people in a different way if we would just take cleaning more serious.
Yes, the culture in Asian countries is completely incomparable to most Western countries, but still: not thinking seriously about cleaning does not help this at all.
"R46s...the oldest subway cars in New York"
Oh right. The R32s retired...
remember taking my first ride on an R46 F train in the mid 70s when they first came out like it was yesterday -- they were shiny and impressive themselves at the time, i recall those orange seats especially catching my attention
The homeless and drug dealers have already ruined these trains in not even a freaking week
R46s have been running on the system since 1975, when Gerald Ford was president, Hugh Carey was Governor and Abe Beame was mayor.
Honestly I thought it was the 80s when it was released. They're almost 50 years old!? 🧓 holy ....
@@phil4863 Well yeah, the cars in staten island are 50+ years old. We had the R32s up until 2020 and they were 56 years old then.
@@phil4863 About 1975/1976 but some of them weren't delivered until the late 1970s.
Now, the unbearable smell from the homeless feet can permeate all cars instead of isolating it one car.
How about getting people to pay instead of coming at tax payers for bail outs ?
new and renovated subway statons will have barriers to stop freeloaders....
@@JitzyJT when will these ever get built? I would be less surprised to see human settlement on mars
Been watching them come into the system for months now very nice cars I can't wait to see both the 211 and the 211T
The sir ones too
The old ones have been running since the 1970's? Guarantee you that the new ones won't last half that long. By the way, the open passageway is an OLD idea. Back in the 1920's the BMT had a number of "Triplex" cars produced by Pressed Steel Car Company. They were 3 car sets with a passageway between the middle car and the 2 end cars.
ok so there's some misinformation
the R46s run on the A, C, N, R, and W lines, as well as the Rockaways Shuttle. Not the Staten Island Railway. The SIRT uses the R44s, which are older, and built in 1971, making them 50 years old. The R46s are only 46.
Yes. Some R46s need replacing but these aren't ancient like the R32s that ran about 5/6 years ago. Those looked and felt a lot more dated than the R46s, a modern, nice train that set a new standard in comfort/quietness for the subway (actually the R44s that the R46s were very similar to).
How is having less seats an improvement? Most people commute for close to an hour
More space for the train acrobats to swing and do back flips...🤣😅
I’m so glad I don’t ride the train no more.
The brand new R211s! been looking forward to this for a while now. It's pretty much a modern reincarnation of the R44s before they went through GOH. The R46s ran their course though not as smooth as the R32s did but it's time for them to be put to rest.
Wow, that's nice. So ARE you going to do something when you see scumbags doing what scumbags do? Now you will have proof but ARE you going to do something or these carts will look like old ones in couple of months?
Outdated. India, China and Japan is far more advance than any trains in the US or Europe.
Now this is New York City’s Subway Trains Fleet to the Future!
I love those R46 cars, there used to be some F trains with those cars a few years ago but not anymore. I miss those R46 cars so much that I take A trains for a few stations and then transfer to F train to my school in brooklyn though taking just the F train would take me to school.
Now, feeling really sad that A trains will have new cars soon replacing the R46s. I will miss taking R46 cars for the rest of my life.
You’re a nyc rat if you enjoy the trains…or maybe just mentally disturbed.
I totally agree. Sometimes at Atlantic Avenue I transfer from the R to the N train just to ride on a r46 two long stops. They are beautiful and cozy with the tan floors and soft white lights
@@P2Feener305 I don't mind if someone calls me a subway rat for being one of the millions who commute on the nyc subway on daily basis.
N andD lines still have R46
@@janelallen9125 W lines also has R46 I believe, but they are planning to replace A and C line with these new trains
Looks almost the same. I was thinking it would look more futuristic.
MTA hasn't broken the mold it set for the R143. This is just a modification of that car with a few small updates.
Cool! Less seats, no doors so a killa can run through the whole train, and.... a fare-raise!
I hope that the subway cars are made in the USA and those jobs were given to American citizens.
China 🇨🇳
They are made in Nebraska, and Yonkers. 🇺🇸
Made in America but by foreign companies. They used to be made by St. Louis car co.
@@henry7765 Actually no, it is manufactured by a Japanese company but are built in Nebraska, with delivery’s going via Yonkers.
What helped passengers from mentally ill and homeless people, were the doors. We were able to move to the next car, now we can't do that.
We need the doors. Put the doors back.
Technically the Open Gangway trains will also help passengers from the mentally ill and homeless people, since one can move away from them easily.
Also the Open Gangway cars come with a door to isolate the cars if needed, but only the train crew can access them if needed.
Their budget must be astronomical if they’re able to get this many batches 😳
I live in Vancouver BC & it’s not even close 😅
Hmm, going to miss the separate cars. If something was going on in one, I didn’t mind switching to another car to avoid whatever was happening.
There will still be separate cars for you to switch to with these Open Gangway cars.
Still 100 years behind Japan , China and Europe’s train systems 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
MTA subway only now showing what the rest of the worlds subways already have been using.
I know, right? But unfortunately too many people here are not fond of using any idea from the rest of the world since they think it’s bad for NYC. But they are wrong. ALL OF THEM ARE WRONG. To turn their back on the rest of the world.
Take the cameras off!!!! It’s not for protection, it’s for surveillance
They’re improving the trains but not the quality of the people harassing others on the train. Backwards as usual…
They need to put up barriers between tracks n people waiting for train
There won’t be any passengers for them to transport at this rate…
Will it keep the homeless from sleeping on them or give them more space. Is there more space for wheelchairs? The size of the doors was never the problem it’s people who ride the same trains every day and act like they forgot how to get off and go to their destination.
It's gonna be a heaven for the mentally ill individuals and the homeless people and immigrants coming from Texas to make it a home.😮😮😮
Add more seats!
Very nice. However they should have stuck with and used the 54" wide doors on the R142/R142A's, and R188's instead of those 58" wide ones, since passengers will still stand and block the doorways whichever door size is used, and this will still delays service as well. The 63" extra-wide doors that were used on the experimental R110A's and guess what - the passengers still block the doorways as well when they were tested on the (2) and (5)/ lines some 25 years ago. That's the old habits of New Yorkers that will never let die. THIW's.
There’s more space and with the open design people will now move around the trains more
My country has replaced the vertical grab poles nearest to the doors on our rolling stock with horizontal ones to prod passengers to stand further from the doors, but when its crowded & there isn't any room to stand further away from the doors, I've heard shorter people complain that it's now harder to find something sturdy to grab onto
But when passengers are not blocking them, they do load and unload faster. That, along with wheelchair accessibility improvements, would surely make the widening worthwhile.
@@unconventionalideas5683 The 54 inch doors will suffice and are more practical as well. The people will still block the doors whichever size doors are used, and this has been a way of life for over 119 years as well. The 45" doors starting with the Arnines, R27/30's, R32's, and R38's also worked well for a very long time, since they were staggered except for the Arnines.
Less chairs GREAT just great
It's time for us to stop being lazy! 🤣
@romansilentempire8309 have you tried leaning against the door or the wall atleast?
It's too similar to the existing R160s that are on so many lines to hype it as some "subway car of the future." It has some seats for wheelchairs, wider doors, narrower windows, green/red lights by the door, a digitized version of the old subway sign bullets, and open gangways on some models but the R160 has FINDs, automated announcements and much of the inside of the cars look like the R143/R160/R179 trains that have been in operation for about 15 years or so.
In Amsterdam we got new metro's that have huge diffuse light strips on both sides of the doors that light up white at the automatic announcement saying on which side to board or leave the train, turn green when they can be opened, and start blinking red as if in a Star Trek bridge declaring a red alert when the doors are closing, and stay red for a while when closed and departing (it's really cool to see when you are looking along the side and all those doors are blinking red :P ).
They can also show a constant red to indicate a bit more clearly that they are broken and taken out of service by locking them (they usually contain a reasonably sticker saying "DEFECTIVE" as well, but I tend to miss that the first couple of button presses :P ).
Probably the best thing I like about them (and I tend not to like them because of all the sideways seats) is that they decided to modernize/approach the look of the very first type of metro car Amsterdam used (nicknamed "Herring gull" due to the chrome plating the old ones had) to basically honor that type because it had a warm place in many people's hearts.
These new cars were the first with full walkways from front to back, before that we either had single-car combinations with no walkway between any of them (this was the case for the herring gull types) or 2-car sets with only an interconnection between those 2, and then having another 2-car set head-to-head connected to it (this last type being the result of a branch line of the network being meant for fast-tram service that had short platforms and did not allow for full-length metro's, which also were to wide for that line and as a result, required slightly narrower cars with retractable steps on the sides to convert to fast-tram service).
Our future subway cars is Europes 1980 surplus. We are decades behind in tech.
I know, right? And yet some folks here are just afraid of progress for no reason.
Get your information correct. You showed the R211T without the traditional end doors. These units will make up a smaller portion of the 211 fleet and MTA has an option to buy more if they are recieved well. The majority of the R211 cars will be of the standard end door design as will the R211S going to Staten Is to replace the R44 from the early 1970s. The R46 are on the N/W Brdway as well as the A/C 8 AV but Broadway is not getting the CBTC signal upgrade at this time with 8 AV and Queens Corridor taking priority and will suffer with the older equipment for now. I dont understand why they decided to upgrade 8 AV over doing Broadway since it runs through the heart of Manhattan's tourist spots in the Theater District, Tms Sq & Herald Sq.
They had better cars in Asia more than 15 years ago. NYC is literally just catching up.
Most Western countries are catching up, while at the same time trying to come over as being "so technologically advanced".
Asian countries surpass almost all of them with ease, just because in (for instance) The Netherlands we keep making the dire mistake that some systems should prioritize profit over usability and user-friendlyness.
(And I'm leaving out the fact that my government is known for completely messing up any IT-project that they get involved in, causing budgets to be exceeded by stupendous amounts, and eventually having an end product as the result that is incapable of doing what it was supposed to do).
We have a new payment system in The Netherlands for public transportation ever since 2010, and it required a tremendous amount of money to implement and upgrade it (we started implementing it in 2010 using technology already available in 1995, to give just one example) and it still does not what it is supposed to do, can't do what the old tickets were capable of doing, and favors profits for the transportation companies more than providing a favor for the people using it.
As a result, when something goes wrong (which is not uncommon) in the form of to much money being deducted, you have to put in a lot of effort to get this money back instead of the transportation company being forthcoming towards the user.
When people in my country call it user-friendly I tend to laugh at them and argue that it's anything but user-friendly by comparing it to old paper tickets.
their going to be stupid people who going to make it dirty ...
Future car, you mean back to the future, they have this in china , hong kong, Europe like 30 - 40 years ago
Hopefully schedule will be tightened a bit thanks to the quick acceleration.
I really don’t understand what’s with all the negative comments about the Open Gangway trains. Like seriously, don’t you all like the idea of improved safety and rider convenience? Don’t you all like increased capacity and the ability to safely move between train cars when the train is moving, thus getting you to your exit quicker? Other cities have this so why can’t NYC?
You dont understand the negative comments because you're a bit slow..Try and catch up
@@alexmunch6118 So you’re saying that you’re the one who doesn’t understand anything and needs to catch up? No wonder you’re spewing out nonsense that’s totally inaccurate.
🤣 they look exactly the same. Bet they all lined their pockets
The same as the R143, R160 and R179. There are some differences but they are just updates. They primarily look like existing trains inside and out.
What will they do to stop people smoking in the carts?
The r211 is probably the same train cars just like seoul south korea subway train cars you've ever ride! NYC subway r211 like south korea seoul subway.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, not the R46?!???!!!!
I love those cars. Their interior got the best seats than those bench seats we got today. R46 always, ALWAYS have a seat ready for you when you come in. I hate benchseats on those new trains cause you'll NEVER get a seat. Fact...
"The subway of the future" These look worse than the cars we got rid of 40 years ago here in Europe...
"a gleaming silver railcar that glides along the rails that seemed unimaginable just 20 years ago"
Now the whole subway TRAIN will smell like homeless . Thank u MTA. 😭🤣
are they replacing the r46s on the N Q AND W TRAINS
No only A and C lines and Staten island railway
Maybe the E F R will get some mixed in with R160/179
i thought all r46s
R179 Should Give some to G train
@@Stanf954 Jamaica Yard has a surplus of R160's. 1290 cars total. Here's how the cars are currently divided:
260 for the (E)
460 for the (F)
65 for the (G)
310 for the (R)
That's 1095 cars in service during peak with 195 spare cars.
sooo is it releasing this year? or is it gonna take yet ANOTHER year?
It's coming into service at the end of 2023
I like how they added a little bit more space in between the door and the seats for the people who usually stand in front of the door And I am definitely one of them
Connecting the train carts was the worst decision ever. No isolation from the loud subway performers, Jehovas witnesses, subway fights, and don’t get me started on the smelly homeless guys after 11PM.
Bad idea, MTA
That joke of yours is getting too old since it’s completely false and other cities have had this for years with no issues. In fact, it’s actually a great idea and nearly everyone agrees.
@@TheRailLeaguer It’s not a joke. It’s reality. Anyone who lives in this city and takes the train knows this. It works for other countries because the people there behave. The people is the problem and the city itself too since they don’t do anything about the homeless.
@@Jen-bl8tj Really because in the actual real world with you don’t live in, everyone is looking forward to getting the Open Gangway cars in service? I know that you’re also just as disappointed as everyone else is in how long it took the MTA to adopt this style, but better late than never. Besides, it can definitely work here.
No matter how new they're railcars are IF THEY DON'T FIX THE SYSTEM this all goes to waste...you got homeless issues that never had a solution...train late/delays is always a problem...and filty, smelly and subway stations and cars!!!
i went on that train from kingston-throops ave to euclid ave.
How long will it be before they will be vandalized?
It was already vandalized last year
Probably less than a week like what they did with the R179
People don't like to be sat facing strangers. Why not go back to having rows of seats facing forward? And why are subway trains allowed to violate the usual rules that place limits on the number of occupants? What happens if there's a fire?
Welp there goes the train fares to 3.75😂
Subway of the future?😂 Laughable. Canada had this 10 years ago and Japan had it 20 years ago
and their made by Kawasaki. Japan said "here, it's old to us now so you can have it"
Subway cars of the future? It's a train. It has doors that open and close to let people in & out. They've added cameras and some flat panel screens.... is that the 'futuristic' part? FYI Montreal has had the same style of cars with no doors between cars and all of the above literally for years. Nothing new. NYC should call them "current-gen subway cars that are finally no longer from the 1960s".
I wish the trains had actual colors, pay attention to how shiny these are and how dull the next one that comes is. that's what these will look like before too long and a wash won't bring the shine back
R46 on the SIR is crazy 1:49
As a person living in Brooklyn, NY and love to see/take the train. I believed that MTA just need to improve instead of getting new.
The new R211s is essentially an improved R46 train car, especially as the latter is already showing it’s age.
@@TheRailLeaguer why would they remove the separate carts.. and they made the doors wider instead of taller. What about us at 6’7”?
@@TheRailLeaguer I know you are just excited about the new cars along with other people but it is the Subway system that is suffering. Everyday, delays.
+ Homeless people.
+ Poor Maintenance.
But I am sorry but MTA isn’t putting all their efforts. NYC Subway is just off the rope.
March 10, 2023. The R211A’s have entered passenger service!! This is a transformative upgrade to the subway system and will allow the CBTC project on the 8th Avenue Line in Manhattan to keep progressing.
The modern train’s constant squealing is annoying. It’s as if the brakes are always engaged. 😖
They make it sound all great meanwhile all we want are more seats and open gangway allows for more trouble to spread in the car. I do not like it. Why can’t they make the r46 again? They had more seats and look nice inside.
R46's are 75 foot long with 16 less doors than other trains. Less doors equal longer dwell times at stations. Also, the areas by the transverse seats weren't utilized as standing spaces enough on those trains. While they are nice inside non-peak hours, the shorter cars with more doors are better for peak hours.
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I don’t believe those transverse seats are as much of a burden as you make it seem. Because of our arm span, you can fit more people seated that way compared to if it’s all horizontal. Notice that there is almost always a middle seat on the new trains empty? That’s due to our arm span preventing that extra person to fit. MTA made a choice with 75foot cars, you can still have the same seating with the extra 2 cars.
If anything this design of open gangway should be on the number IRT lines.
@@benjaminsmith2287
Over a few minutes trade off I prefer comfort but the MTA is going for that less comfort more speed trade off.
@@42luke93 I don't disagree with you. The seats in the R160s barely fit 5 across and there is usually some unused space. I like the R46, definitely my favorite train. But I do notice some issues during rush hour with the 75 footers vs. the 60 footers. I think the R32 handled crowds best because they had offset doors and no poles by the doors. But I didn't really like them as trains. They did seat a decent amount, though.
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Fair, thanks.
A good thing about r32 was that they didn’t put the pole in the middle of the seats and so an extra person could fit. Can’t stand seeing that pole waste a seat on all the new trains!
Much respect to the R46 cars...but it's time to retire & bring it more of the R211 on all lines.
How much lighter are the R211 compared to the previous ones. Lighter trains should be much more quiet.
I don’t get it. What did they improve? They’ve taken away doors a minus in a way for safety issues. And added cameras, or added more maybe? Uh’ is the speed that the train travels 2-3x faster, and how about the scheduled time is it actually on time? China, Japan, and other Asian countries have had unbelievably way better trains than us for easily 10 years. They’ve been in the present time at that period of time, and continue to improve with the years. The “improvements” if you can call them that (that is what they are choosing to call them) I see them as takeaways instead of improvements (how can you not see that as they are so few in all) it should be insulting to everyone. These we’ll say “improvements” are something that should’ve been implemented decades before 1975.
Welcome to the homeless motel on wheels
Attach a camera to the front that can detect when a person is about to be pushed so that the train can automatically stop on its own and alert other trains to slow down.... might as well do it now x)
thats something operators can do just fine, plus thats something you also do in the manufactuering.. these are built and about to go into service. way too late for that
@@843Reboot kinda true, so far atleast 5 full length trains have been built with 2 already being in the system, one with gangways, one with storm doors and these trains are expected to go in service later this year
@@C20F wdym
Graffiti Artists Meetup at 60th Street at 2am.
More can be done to upgrade the stations. They are old and falling apart. In the summer, they feel like ovens.
Meh doesn't look that much different don't like the open door system
All vehicles seat plan have to be change because of various virus spread protection .
Every vehicles inside passenger seat plan have to be change for various virus protection.
Safety first.. from all virus ... Have to ensure it first .
This type of vehicles aren't total safe for Covid19 / other viruses like this .
Covid19 / other viruses can spread so fast inside this type of vehicles .
So, passenger seat plan have to be change for all passengers & here need a proper technical solution.
We have to ensure the safety of passengers before launch any vehicles. Safety first .
Ima still do “ showtime!” at 6pm 🤣🤣🤣
Those trains are not are from the future! Look at the seats! Go to Europe and Russia and see what trains are there!
new trains won’t fix the daily “signal” problems the mta infrastructure is rotten and falling apart.
The trains are gonna be reliable still so at least that's one positive.
@@Bobby_Duku doesn't matter. The infrastructure is antiquated
These new trains will not only replace antiquated equipment from 1975, but will supply new trains for upcoming signal modernizations on the 8th Avenue Line.
What about bad smells
When will the 1 3 and 6 get the new trains those trains are so old too
Thoes are A division trains. The R211 is for B division which mean it’s literally to both to fit onto those subway tracks. There is a proposed replacement but they not for another 10+ years
@@Trainsallday it would be nice if that division was like this one cus the trains on those lines are terrible and not taking good care of sadly
@@pjay9875 the 1, 3, and 6 trains use R62 trains introduced in the late 80s. There are trains like this one for those trains called the R262. It will feature a lot of the same new features of the R211. If the R211 goes well then the R262 will be placed on order asap. However more hiccups with the R211 will stop the R262 form becoming reality
They're not that old. They're middle aged for trains. The 1, 3 and 6 will change trains when the R262s are out and that's not for a few years. What line will get them is TBD.
Please never put these on the 1 the barriers are necessary
Toronto had this since 2012 lol
A new home for homeless....
It seems like they have increased security and less seats for them to want to sleep on at least...