Should you Replace Just Your Pool Motor or the Entire Pool Pump?
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- So when do you replace just the motor or replace the pump and motor? Usually, the pump is still good, and changing the motor is all you will need to do to get things up and running. But it kind of got complicated with the new Department of Energy (DOE) regulations banning the sale of certain HP pool pumps. And your customer may in fact be ready for a VS pump upgrade so what was once a black and white decision is a little more grey.
Chapter Marks
00:00 What to Expect in this video
01:05 DOE Regulations Overview
05:05 Hayward XE Series Pumps
06:33 Troubleshooting Tips
11:05 When to Replace the Entire Pump
14:50 Dual Voltage VS Pumps
16:39 Matching the HP of Your Old Pump
18:01 Upgrading to Just a VS Motor
21:48 Automated System Tips
23:05 Look At Local Manufacturers
If you have a single speed 1.5 hp or 2 hp motor that needs to be replaced, chances are that the replacement motor can no longer be sold to you. The best option would be to replace the motor with a Century V-Green stands alone VS motor or Nidec Neptune VS Motor. They are compatible with most pumps and come with a round or square flange. It is the most affordable option and if the existing pump is less than 5 years old I would suggest going that route. But if you need to replace the entire pump, here are some brands to look at.
Pentair was the first with their IntelliFlo VS pump and it is still the benchmark pump because there are just so many of them installed in backyards. When they first came out much thought they would never catch on and the first generation of the IntelliFlo did have a few issues. In the beginning, I didn’t like them much myself and thought it was a fad that would fade away. Now many states like California and Arizona require you to install one once your standard single-speed pump needs to be replaced.
So, Pentair being the first makes it the best, right? Not exactly, but you can’t go wrong with a 3 HP IntelliFlo VS pump. It features a great price point and is super reliable. The menu can be challenging to understand but it has a long track record and is tough to beat. The flow rate of the IntelliFlo VS is also excellent and if you choose to go with Pentair you are making a very solid choice.
I will say that one factor to consider when you have an automated system already installed is to go with the VS pump that matches the brand of your automated system. The only exception is the Jandy Aqualink which is compatible with the Pentair IntelliFlo VS. But in most cases, if you have Hayward Automation, go with a Hayward VS pump. If you have a Jandy Aqualink go with a Jandy VS pump. And if you have a Pentair Automated system go with the IntelliFlo VS pump.
Let me touch on the Jandy VS Pumps. These are very good pumps and feature Century motors which have a great track record in the industry. The only thing you need to note is that the Jandy VS pumps need a separate controller to work. If the pump is a stand-alone without an automated system you would need a JEP-R Controller or the iQPump01 to actually program and control the pump. These can be mounted separately from the pump on the wall for instance and the iQPump01 works over the internet so you can control the pump from anywhere. The flow rate is comparable to the Pentair VS pump and they also feature a 3 HP version.
With a Hayward VS pump like the TriStar 950 and Smart Pool control, you can control everything on your equipment pad that a stand-alone automated system can. You can turn on the heater, turn it to spa mode, turn on the lights, and much more from your Smart Phone using the Hayward OMNI Logic app. They also off a 3-year warranty on their new VS pumps with the TriStar 950 sporting a 4-year warranty. So Hayward is back in the game with their VS pump lineup. Not that the Jacuzzi pumps sold at Leslie’s are made by Hayward and are an excellent choice as well.
All of these pumps require a 230 Volt set up which can be a drawback if you are running your current pump off of 115 Volts. The solution for this is to install the Pentair SuperFlo VS pump which has been designed to work with 230 Volts as well as 115 Volts. It is a 1.5 HP VS pump so it has plenty of power for your older pool set up and it is also very reliable. Hayward has also made the TriStar 950 with Smart Pool Control a dual voltage VS pump. So you can also connect the TriStar 950 to a 115 Volt set up. The pump will throttle down from the 3 HP rating to a 1.5 HP rating and work fine with your 115 Volt equipment.
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I have a Pentair SuperFlo 1 hp pump and I am looking to replace it. You are using the wrong terminology when you say a replacement fits in the same footprint. That is not always correct. The unions may match up but in many cases the replacement pump is significantly longer in dimensions and, in my case, I do not have room to fit a longer pump. I would need to completely redo the plumbing in order to move the pump to a different location.
One of the other factors the new energy efficiency laws do not address and that is 3-phase power pumps. I had a customer that had 3-phase power to their home. However, they had a 1-phase 2HP Haward Superflow. I told them about the changes that were coming, so I replaced the motor with a 3-phase 2HP motor and saved nearly 50% energy. A 1-phase 2HP motor uses 12 amp hours at 230VAC. The 3-phase motor uses only 6.8 Amps hours. I did have to do some electrical upgrades including a 3-phase contactor with 110VAC coil so the timer could still control the pump. I recognize that most residences do not have 3-phase power, however, 3-phase power motors are significantly more energy efficient.
That sounds like a good third option. 👍
My tip is replace your pump now because it will cost you $3k next year due to inflation lol
Right? Crazy.
but it's already too late...there are no more pool pumps LOL
My Hayward Norhstar failed. I thought it might be the capacitor but still have the humming and then the tripped breaker. From what I gather hear you would suggest a new pump all together .
Yes, those are hard to work on and a new entire pump would be smarter.
Well I needed a pro to come out he suggested a Hayward Tristar EX . He said because I have a Jandy aqua link that would allow me to use my automation . I would truly appreciate your opinion . I do want to keep function or garage control for spa
The level of water is always like 2 inches low when the pump is on on the little window where the catch basket is should i replace the lid I already replaced the gasket and added some seal lube but it didn't work?
If it is running at full speed maybe there is air getting in there. If it has unions I would try to tighten those up a bit. Doubt if it is the lid itself.
I have a 25 year old 3/4 HP Duraglas pump. The pool is a basic 10k gallon setup with no water features or spa. I didn't realize that I should be replacing the entire pump so I've been replacing motors (been through many over the years) and pump to motor seals. What non-VS pump would you recommend as a replacement?
Those Duraglass pumps last super long. A pretty amazing product but the the wet end or pump pot area is definitely aged out by now. I wouldn't be opposed to a simple VS pump like the TriStar XE 1.25 hp. You can save quite a bit on energy going from a 3/4 hp to one of these.
@@SPL Thanks for the recommendation. It looks like the Tristar XE line is only available to pool professionals, which I am not. Do you have another recommendation for a pump that I can buy from a retail seller?
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Hayward sp3400vsp echostar poól pump just cuts out when starting up to prime like 10-15 secs. Check system lights stàrts flashiñg, pump stall motor error ón display. The shaft spins freely. There is no capacitator í could see on the motor! This problem started as their was a power outage at night from the power company to our home! Are these vsp motors sensitive to power surges when the power goes out to the house?
Sounds like air is in the line. Try priming it in spa mode if there is an attached spa.
Is it a bad idea to replace a 2hp whisperflo with a 3hp whisperflo? Can it mess up the pvc pipes due to the higher hp?
I think I asked this too early into video.
Yes, that would be overkill but you never really have to run it at the full 3HP.
I mean, I just replaced the bearings in my 1 Hp single speed Whisperflo lol, and others can also do that as well instead of replacing the motor and putting a VS motor on. That’s something the DEO also doesn’t realize consumers can do. Of course not all of them are as hands on like that, but there’s definitely a lot of them out there that would do the same.
It uses the same energy no matter what speed you run it.
if you attach a amp meter to the leads, you'll see the drop in amperes during the different speed settings. less amps means less on the wattages., which means savings on your energy bill
I agree with the government, We should get rid of the one trick pony pool pumps, Smart punps is the way to go.