Amazon PANICS! The Rings of Power Just Got DESTROYED by Warner Bros
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- Warner Brothers just announced they're working on new Lord of the Rings projects and it's GLORIOUS
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Lord of the Rings has no remake. Lord of the Rings *needs* no remake…
It's not being remade
One does not simply remake Lord of the Rings.
It is folly
@Wyatt you really think they won't try? Cmon
@@johndodo2062 Maybe decades from now sure, but that's not what they're doing rn.
We in the Tolkien fandom need to hold WB to a high standard with whatever they decide to do. No giving them a pass just because it's not "Rings of Prime."
I would think they would learn from Amazon's BS
Bring back the gate keepers!
Agree...
GATEKEEPING!
Start leaning on them today
@@TheBigBigSean Keepers! To the gates!
I would love to see much more of Tolkien, provided:
* Done with respect to Tolkien's legacy
* Quality acting
* Quality scripts
* Quality CGI
* NO woke BS
.
If not, forget it.
Forget it. Can't we just stick to the author's work.
You've got a snowball's chance in hell.
Hopefully Warner Bros learned from cringe of powers mistakes. There's nothing wrong with having black characters just make sure it fits with tolkeins work. An non of that lgbt nonsense is needed at all.
@@seasonedbeefs Well, he did mention stuff for a potential Fourth Age story so that could work.
IDC if its woke as fuck as long as they make the woke characters epic and the story good. Give me Galadriel or her daughter destroying entire armies of orcs while doing 360s and no scopes as long as its glorious
Peter Jackson’s message at the very end is the reason why his LOTR movies worked so well, he wanted to tell Tolkein’s story and not his own. Amazon couldn’t care less about the source material and the moment they decided to ignore it was the moment the series failed.
Thank you for your use of "couldn't care less" and not "could care less" (the latter seems to be used by too many people).
He deviated from Tolkien's story in a few key ways, but okay.
So many mistakes and shortcuts in his trilogy, but he tried so hard to try to keep to the books(which I've been reading since about 1970). I thoroughly enjoyed them. I even put up with the Hobbit. But amazon, no way in hell, don't need anyone to (enlighten me) on what he "really" meant.
except when he did the hobbit
@@stevewilson6193 and LOTR films. Anyone who thinks those are 100% faithful to the novel hasn't read it.
I can see it now….
Aragorn: You have me sword.
Legolas: And you have my bow.
Gimli: And my preferred pronouns.
Please no! Wokeness needs to be throw on the garbage heap of history, it really does.
Gimli pronouns are gonna be they/them.
Wouldn't be surprised if it be like, "You have my M4," "You have my Sniper-rifle," "And my Shotgun." Lol
🤣😂
I sadly think there's a good chance that this will be the case.
Peter Jackson's original trilogy was made with the intention of putting Tolkien's story onscreen with as much fidelity as possible to the literature. The people Amazon's writers are catering to just want hollow gestures of inclusion and acceptance in exchange for their viewership.
Peter Jackson's films are not the original. The Bakshi animated 1978 Lord of the Rings pre.dates Jackson's films. In fact Peter Jackson took scenes from the Bakshi film. Stuff that was altered from the book.
More importantly, the things it changed, I understood why they were changed for the sake of the jump in format - even in those instances where I disagreed with some changes. It was done from the point of view of cinematography, not from the point of view of "gotta please the modern audience and reflect the world we live in" B.S.
Two Directors have brought "Lord of the Rings" to screen.
One director (Ralph Bakshi) read the books.
The other director (Peter Jackson) saw the film.
Peter Jackson was the first person to produce all three books as a trilogy of movies, hence my use of "original trilogy." And I said as much fidelity as possible to the literature--I didn't say it was a perfect 1:1 recreation of the books.
@@gaebren9021 No one gives a shit.
I heard an article refer to these new warner bros movies as "The tolkien Cinematic Universe."
We don't need to tear apart a historical statue to sell off the crude chunks of it.
Tolkien wrote the beginnings of a story about compassion, mercy, forgiveness, and sacrifice from the trenches of the bloodiest battle of WW1. We owe it to him to protect his legacy.
Just that. His world was one where higher ideals are meant to be upheld. Duty, honour, not giving in to dark urges. None of the characters go out of their way to find orcs and kill them. Their fights with such beings are always defensive. The closest we get is when the combined army under Aragorn march to the Black Gates but even then they wait for the gates to open while still standing in their own land and it is Sauron's forces who rush out to attack.
Faramir is a throwback to the Dunedain, one of those who swore friendship to the elves of Beleriand and who created the civilisation of Numenor before Sauron corrupted it. It was one of the things that the movies failed in, showing Faramir as weak against the ring. It was only the appearance of the winged nazgul that prevented him from seizing the ring for himself.
Such grand ideals are near alien to modern audiences where the vigilante reigns supreme and violence is always the answer.
@@damionkeeling3103 You'll want to ease up a bit. Eomer and his crew wasn't handing out pats on the head to the Uruks, and Aragorn saying "lets hunt some orc" wasn't to turn them into pets. Sure, it was to free their friends but they weren't planning to "talk it out". :)
The Return of the King is seemingly headed back to theaters in April to celebrate the movie's 20th anniversary. Multiple movie theater chains, including Regal and Cinemark, have updated their websites with showtimes for Return of the King. Based on the listings, it appears RotK will come back for a limited time beginning April 13.
Furthermore, Cinemark's website states the runtime is 4 hours and 20 minutes, so it looks like it's the extended version! :)
4:20 lol
@@Throg_Morton my Bday - 4/20 - guess ill be going to see it that day
20th anniversary?! Dear god... I'm fucking old.
They should show the whole trilogy.
The extended editions were in select theaters last year too. They are absolutely worth going to see again on the big screen. They were made for the big screen.
One does not simply reboot LOTR. Its gate keepers are guarded by more than just fans. There is talent there that does not now exist. The great eyes of fans are ever watchful. They are perfect films, riddled with fun, and jokes, and faithfulness to the original story. The very words they say are a creative tonic. Not with ten billion dollars could you do this. It is folly.
Amen, it takes something they know nothing about, humility, honesty, loyalty, passion, and love is all you need to make a good LoTR movie. To sum up what you said in a sense
excellent post
This is the only comment, everyone else can go home, thanks for participating.
FOLLY!!!!!! 😂😂😂
(And a terrific Boromir riff, bravo:)
Ehhh... as for 'faithfulness to the original story', I think people gloss over how much Jackson changed and how much of an uproar there was among fans even back then, 20+ years ago. I remember very well some die-hard book fans who wouldn't go anywhere near Jackson's films.
One does not simply remake the best movie trilogy ever made in all of human history. It shall not pass.
If they wanted to take a shot at The Hobbit I'd be cool with that though.
You are using reason.
That is forbidden!😠
They should do absolutely nothing
Best comment ever
The trilogy did miss and mess up the chance to explore Saruman. Instead there was unnecessarily long fight scenes. That could be mended.
The Ricky Berwick namedrop was too good, known the dude for so long now. So cool to see everyone recognising his greatness
Dude would pull more people if he played gollum than whoever else they could probly get... He'd probly be too hilarious though.
He took the hand he was dealt in life and won the game!
I woke my family up laughing at that face swap. Ricky is funny enough to be viral without the disability jokes...
Honestly a collection of films about tales present in the silmarillion would be amazing. The 1st age has many stories that would be epic on the big screen.
I love the power of the Tolkien fandom. I wonder if WB know the consequences of ignoring the lore, even in the current day its a gamble
They're totally tone deaf if they didn't pick up on the fan reactions. Part of me thinks the execs are buying into Amazon's propaganda about how well RoP did and now they're losing the towel and going for another lap in the money pool. I hope we get OG trilogy quality and not The Hobbit trilogy this time.
It would be a huge win, both with the fans and in money, if WB actually did listen and put together a respectful series.
WB has the ability to crush amazon AND laugh all the way to the bank.
All they have to do is respect the source material.
Well they’ve seen the consequences unless they’re blind and deaf. Whether or not they care about them remains to be seen.
What lore ? Name a story in The Silmarillion for me, I’ll wait.
Not on the side of Hollywood, trust me, but as an _actual_ huge Tolkien fan, all the constant dickriding makes me a little nauseous. His other books are boring, straight up. The Hobbit was pretty boring and it was adapted into boring movies. The Silmarillion is almost as boring as it is hard to follow. It does an amazing job of fleshing out the world of Middle Earth, and it’s not a ‘bad’ book by any means, but it’s boring. The story of the Fellowship is one of the greatest stories of all time, that’s why it’s so beloved. We don’t need an ‘extended Tolkien universe’, because it wouldn’t be Tolkien, he didn’t write anything else worth adapting to the big screen.
So, please don’t call yourself a part of the ‘Tolkien fandom’ if you just mean you enjoyed the movies and don’t know a singular thing about the books. Call yourself a part of the ‘Lord of the Rings fandom’ if anything. Am I gatekeeping ? Nah, not really, because I don’t personally classify myself as part of the ‘Tolkien fandom’ because it’s already completely made up of ignorant culture warriors who, while on my side politically, don’t actually know anything about J.R.R. Tolkien. They just like the LotR movies and wanna act like they’re the authority on the lore because the crazy Leftists are race and gender swapping, and they hear from their favorite CZcamsrs that it’s ‘against the lore !1!1!1!’ It’s akin to seeing the cringy ‘LIBTARD gets owned by facts and logic’ and it makes me not want to associate with people who otherwise agree with me.
They seem to be distancing themselves from the woke cancer, so I'm cautiously optimistic for what they put out
All of the subplots in The Hobbit trilogy were still miles better than the entirety of The Rings of Power with Sauron/Walter White and GUYladriel.
FACTSSSS
Amen brother!
Yes, but giving a pass to shit because of a much greater pile of shit next to it is not a good thing...
@@hedinsee6830 at this point that's all we can di
@@durrangodsgrief6503 And I lament the days when we actually had good products coming out regularly instead of having to celebrate exceedingly rare decent things as miracles lately.
Peter Jackson's Lord of the rings is perfectly perfect. There is no such movie and there will no ever be. You still get tears by the end of LOTR in Mithlond when Gandalf leaves to Valinor, even 20 years after it's release when you watch 11h LOTR marathon the bond to characters grow strong. You are a member of the fellowship saying goodbye to your friends feeling emptiness in your heart.
Excatly The Reason Even A Hardcore Tolkien The Lord Of The Rings Fan I Didnt Go See The Return Of The King What You Just Said And Not Wanting Th Trilogy To Be Finish. 🥲🙏
Well, it's far from perfect. But we're certainly unlikely to see anything better.
I always see it as imperfect in many ways but still absolutely magnificent
@@SW-fn7cl Agreed, the good outweighs the bad and the extended editons and the skip button help.
@@SW-fn7cl Same
Hold your ground, hold your ground! Sons of fantasy, of literature, my brothers! I see in your eyes, the same anger that would fume the heart of mine. A day may come, when the courage of fans fail, when we forsake our friends and break all forms of Tolkien lore, but it is not this day. An hour of Amazon and bad reboot when the age of fandom comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, the real fans! For Tolkien.
Legendary 👌🤙
lol im not a man and neither are the 100million other female fans. but i see your point..
I think that it will be very difficult to get fans hyped if they don't come out and say "we'll try to be loyal to the books and do something like Peter's trilogy". If you wanna adapt Tolkien, thats the bare MINIMUM.
I'm not getting hyped until I see something promising on the screen. Amazon kept saying they were gonna be loyal too. Right now we've just got a few rich folks banking on an idea to pull in another boat load of cash.
TBH I'm gonna need people from a different country to make these things, because American companies are *_obsessed_* with pandering to new audiences because they think that will make them more money.
I don't want to see made up female characters and unnecessary romance in my Tolkien stories about friendship and loyalty!
I want to see the book stories translated to the big screen, and that is that.
If I don't see WB come out and explicitly say "We will not race or genderswap any characters in order to pander to people who hate Tolkien for being a white man." then i'm going to refuse to watch.
So I already know I won't be watching anyway.
I'm over LOTR and Star Wars. They've been butchered, and you can't bring back a franchise that's been killed
@@ringofasho7721 sure you can. The original minds have to be involved and open minded to the idea that modern society and ideals do not need to be adapted to the film. For instance going from using real people dressed as orcs to cgi everything that walks and isn't human like they did in the hobbit. That change alone could have made the movie a bit more appealing
I'm so burned on movies right now, I'm extremely wary about anything announced concerning LOTR, but I am very proud of this fandom. The Men of the West joined forces and stood strong.
I hear ya on being burnt out on movies.. I struggle to consume any shows or movies now days. Every thing just seems really mediocre and generic now days. Maybe I’m just getting old …34
@@88-V-..-A-..-N-88 I don't think it has anything to do with age. I'm 24 and I've just tapped out on movies and tv. I've mainly retreated to books. So many good stories you'll never see in filmed media.
@@deanreaver3268 same. I've always loved reading, but recently I've become a voracious reader, especially for books that aren't sanitized for a "modern audience"
@@deanreaver3268 Got a list of books?
@@FeiXenogears Wanted to ask the same thing. I find this same drivel nonsense in books too. So burned out from our modern media in general. I love books, but beyond something written from Brandon Sanderson, it's difficult to find good quality these days.
I would love to see Glorfindel brought to life on screen with Peter Jackson directing and overseeing it.
PJ and co replaced him with Arwen in "Flight to the Ford".
@@ir8free that was a good move imo
There are inconsistencies in his character between the LOTR and the Silmarillion. The LOTR states that the Glorfindel in the third age had lived on the other side of the sea in the time of the trees, but the Silmarillion states he was killed in some battle in the first age. Some speculate those were not the same, but Tolkien rarely reuses names except when remembering forebears and to imply reincarnation.
Beren and the Silmarils? Plenty of quality source materials.
"And Gollum will be Ricky Burwick."
You got me with that one 🤣
Ricky would ROCK THAT SHIT! If Ricky is cast a Gollum I would throw every dollar I have at this. I would steal the copper pipe out of my neighbors house and throw that shit too.
Rings of Power Season 1 managed to make Game of Thrones Season8 look like a masterpiece!!!
😂😂😂😂 good job Jeff Bezos!
The Rings of Power did so well that simply announcing more movies had literally everyone forget that the released only a few months ago.
XD That sarcasm can cut.
I think the joke would work better the other way around: these rumors made everyone REMEMBER that "oh yeah, RoP was a thing!", because it had already flopped hard and everyone forgot about it.
I would love to see "The Scouring of the Shire" done well. Especially because the Peter Jackson trilogy, great in many ways, left this key part of the book out. To my mind, the Scouring is the true ending of the Hobbit's journeys and illustrates how much they have learnt and grown through their experiences.
Peter Jackson left it out as it would of been a depressing end to the movies.
@@markimusmaximus7870 If you have read the book, it's the opposite of depressing. The hobbits use what they have learnt, and the gifts of Galadriel, to overcome adversity and rebuild the Shire for the benefit of the whole community.
@@wylde_hunter I have read the books. You do get a little taste of the scouring during Frodos vision in the movie. I think he must've filmed it but decided to cut it out as it would've dragged the ending of the movie out even more. Also Saruman popping back up at the end, after the defeat of Sauron & the destruction of the ring would've been a bit anticlimactic.
@@markimusmaximus7870 a depressing end to the movies? The ending that they did was pretty much the saddest bloody scene that exists in literature- to my limited knowledge.
And also, a fact that Tolkien understood all too well, a World War affects everyone and eveything; so even the Shire would not be spared the ravages of war. So that did disappoint me a bit at the end of ROTK.
I can’t get enough of Howard Shore’s score for the original trilogy. Combining huge choral riffs with the panoramic shots in the films really made them feel… epic.
Listening to that interview with Peter Jackson always makes me wonder what has gone wrong. Even if you wanna hire a diverse cast, how can you forget to respect the very creator that created the wonders you should be proud to be working with? How can these people act as if they were greater than the giants that came before then?
It’s the woke bs and it’s made these people big headed and entitled. They think they are the next Shakespeare yet put no heart into their work only their ideology and arrogance as well as corporate greed had a play and many are just there for a paycheck. At least PJ and his team agreed there would be little if none of their ideology and stick as close to the source material and respect Tolkien and his work.
I'm sick of the whole "diversity" thing. Why can't a storey or movie focus on plot, character and entertainment? It's gotten ridiculous
@@olliefoxx7165 "Diversity" that's done the exact same way every time.
The little thing called arrogance
The Silmarillion is my favourite book of all time.
If there were to be a respectful, authentic movie adaptation of it from the likes of Peter Jackson & Fran Walsh, then it would make me so happy.
Starting with Illuvatar's creation of Arda and the Valar and Melkor's betrayal. Then the awakening of the Elves and their tribal migration and separation- then the creation of the Silmarils, the kinslaying, and the oath of Fëanor.
Would love to see Morgoth on the big screen. But he needs to be at least 10 times as menacing as Sauron.
I'd say it impossible. It's as unlikely as getting a complete adaptation of the Bible, or the Edda.
There's not enough substantive narrative cohesion in The Silmarillion to make any film adaptation. It reads like an index, and for good reason because it essentially is an index. There's plenty of other good source material out there which would make for amazing films (Sarum, The Things They Carried, Maus). I think it's time to put Tolkien's work to rest. Let it die with some dignity.
Embracer do NOT have the right to the Silmarillion. Gary was wrong on this. Nobody has the rights to motion picture capture of that literature.
@@franknb7827 They could make it documentay-like or some kind of mix. And I would love every second of it. Maybe a series format would work better.
@@franknb7827I have a hard time thinking the silmarillion is anyone’s favorite book for that exact reason
Elrond's dramatic "CAST IT INTO THE FIYYA!!!" at the end gets me everytime 😂🤣🤣
I think my favorite part about the rings of power is how pro Galadriel, girl boss all the actors are... yet none of them know how to properly pronounce her name..
It's just so obvious that no one involved is a die hard Tolkien fan.. I would be surprised if any of them have read the Silmarillion for pleasure(not for an acting job) let alone unfinished tales.
Done properly, I'd love to see a movie trilogy covering Beren and Luthien, The Children of Hurin, and The Fall of Gondolin. I think that would make more sense than trying to adapt the whole of the Silmarillion.
I would love to see that too , but if I am not mistaken, WB dont have rights/license for 1st and 2nd age. If they do have the license I have much more hope and faith they could do better adaptation knowing that as far as we know they have kept Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, and Phillipa Boyens in the loop, especially Phillipa that women really knows Tolkien lore very well, amazing screen writers who co write together with Fran and Peter to make the LoTR trilogy we all love. I saying this knowing their track record compared to those delusional screen writers we saw from Amazon RoP
Don't hold your breath unless the death of Chris Tolkien has brought about a complete sea change in management of the Tolkien Estate regarding Silmarillion rights.
My God not those three back to back... I want to see some happy endings too...
Oh god the children of hurin. All my homies hate glaurung
The silmarillion is more for a really well done serie.
The only good thing I saw out of Rings of Power was my CZcams feed started recommending me a lot of deep dive lore videos made by real fans and I learned a hell of a lot about the setting that I previously didn't know.
Men of the West is a pretty good channel.
Same here.
That’s exactly how I feel. I even bought the book. Half way through fellowship right now.
there was an interview with jeff where he said something along the lines of "my kid is a huge tolkine-fan and told me not to f this up."
I'd love to know what said kid had to say about the show, given how monumentally it was botched.
The best thing about that Rings of power was the real fan base comments. The real fans are so creative and hilariously funny. I spent hours of entertainment reading their reviews/comments. I never watched the tv show or Amazon whatever it is on.
Hopefully WB can see that all they have to do is follow Tolkien’s themes and lore, and the Tolkien fan base will throw money at it. The Tolkien fanbase is the true gatekeepers of Tolkiens legacy, and they will not be so easily ignored..
They wont see that though. Movie studios and streaming sites these days cannot stop shooting themselves in the foot. They cant make a product without forcing their own agenda into it. WBs WILL screw this up.
It baffles me how having the source material, hundreds of millions of dollars, and the technology to recreate anything they can imagine, and still just come out with garbage 😕
ROP was trying to turn LOTR into something it was never meant to be and LOTR/Tolkien fans saw right threw it and wanted nothing to do with it.
I just hope they make something good. It would just be extra satisfying in the current climate.
The new WB employees are just remaking the entire catalog, it would seem. HP too! Ridiculous. The current films are still completely relevant.
I am totally for Ricky Berwick being Gollum! 😂👍
I've got a better one for Gollum
Jeff Bezos!
They took his precious away.
I'm not sure if Mr Berwick has the acting chops for that role. I mean he's a nice guy, but this is an important role, he has high standards to measure up to.
"We should honour Tolkien and put some of his messages in, not our own messages."
THAT is what is wrong with cinema today. We stand on the shoulders of giants, and their messages are our foundation. Modern media wants to cut out the giants from underneath them, not realizing that when they do, they need to re-learn their messages first before they can bring their own.
Tolkien speaks to us about serving a higher goal and being faithful to that goal and our vows even at our own expense. That comes before "we need to be who we want to be". Unless you want to raise a generation of degenerate, selfish idiots.
I can't help but think there is still a lot of good stuff Tolkien wrote that hasn't been properly adapted to TV/film yet. Not the way Amazon did it, obviously, but as Men of the West said, the Angmar War would be amazing.
@n n A lot of it were cut out for the sake of continuity and consistency. And I presume some stuff, especially from the appendix, borderline crosses to the content of the Silmarillion which nobody has rights to.
I would prefer Hollywood stay away from LotR until they can produce something without following the ''modern message'' rules and not having the entire cast look like people from metropolitan LA
The best part about The Rings of Prime, was that fact they made Sauron the most likeable character in the whole show.
Extended extended version... hell yeah! And it better be like 3 days long. :D
I hope whatever WB makes ultimately culminates in the War of Wrath. Can you IMAGINE the epicness of seeing all of the Balrogs fighting in front of Melkor?! Not to even mention Ungoliant! If done right they could make a film franchise equal to Peter Jackson's trilogy.
Unlikely.
It would suffer from massive timeskipitus.
Also about the Balrogs and Melkor?
Sometimes more is just more.
The appearance of Durin's Bane in Fellowship is epic BECAUSE to the people of the Third Age it's lttle more than a bygone legend that even a Maiar servant of the Valar fears to face directly.
Putting more of them on the screen actually diminishes the one in Fellowship, trivialising it almost.
@Mountain Nomad VFX I hate that you're entirely correct. I've just always wanted to see Melkor and his personal bodyguards in action. Sadly, I doubt anyone can do it justice. Your point about Durin's Bane is spot on. I forget that it really was special because of Gandalf, Gimli, and Legolas' reaction to seeing him. Particularly Legolas' reaction IMO. The only time throughout the trilogy that he really shows fear is AWESOME.
@@mnomadvfx I don’t know man. I say go big or go home. IMO the best parts of nearly all fantasy genre movies is seeing the hero/heroes overcome terrifying enemies and win outnumbered, against all odds battles. I think they need Morgoth, Ungoliant, Ascalagon, and some Balrogs to bring that sense of impending doom to a new trilogy.
I'm cool with them making more movies personally - in fact I would love the entire universe to be on film - but they gotta do it right. No woke shit, no studio meddling, no shitty outsourced effects, just tell the tales as close to original as possible. Shit they could start with a Beren and Luthien movie, I'd kill for that. But do it right
Good luck with that
@@graviton7236 They won't. All shall love the Woke and despair. At least, that's what they want.
After what WB Games just did in allowing time in the passion project of Hogwarts Legacy... and the $$$$ they made off of it so far. I have a glimmer of hope. First time in a long time.
"Do it right" is the operative phrase. RoP is what we got with no care or concern beyond throwing money at the project. They would need to be done by people with love of the original works, and the power to push back against anything that could corrupt them.
To Late for that, ain't going to Happen anymore
Glad to hear your thoughts! Thanks for the shoutout man. Curious to see what becomes of this, certainly hoping for something that stays true to the heart of Tolkien, like what Jackson gave us.
I knew you watched Critical Drinker; didn't know you also watched Nerdrotic.
would be very cool to see a few of the immense wars against Morgoth, story of the silmarils, the removal of valinor from arda, etc
your channel is the only one i trust anymore in the tolkien fandom. Keep doing amazing work man.
The greatest cross over!
Hail Nerdrotic and Men of the West!
Yup when racists and Nazis unite its always a good time
I thought Men had just bad content but they're outright neo-Nazis way to KEEP the Tolkien legacy alive lol
I wrote a review on Amazon after the release of the first two episodes and was cautiously optimistic, giving it 4 stars.
I came back in January and tried to edit my review down to 2 stars and a hefty judgment of this stunning shyte.
It was never published.
Tells you all you need to know.
For _"modern audiences"_ really means modern propaganda.
I approve of Gollum being played by Ricky Burwick. He's perfect for the role
Gollum with a Gun
Can’t believe Gary isn’t at 1,000,000 subs yet. He straight up has the best takes, most researched videos and most knowledgeable host. Gary rocks.
I think he would be there already but CZcams basically halted the growth of most channels in 2020-2021. So many channels were getting hundreds of thousands of views and not growing. Quartering did several videos on that.
He should get there by the end of the year though
Racism
He's steadily rising. Think he was around 4-500,000 just before Rings of Power came out. I can see Gary continuing to gain in popularity to the point called in as a guest on TV news to discuss these WB movies by the time they come out (although maybe just Fox News because of his " unacceptable views" on certain things.
I honestly hate superhero movies but I even find myself watching the Nerdrotic videos on them just because I enjoy the videos that much. But the whole Friday Night Tights things is a bit much, I don't have 3+ hours a week to devote to a CZcams channel.
@@DJSkandalous for sure. Yeah, I like Jeremy, but he plays it safe, far more safe than Gary does. I mean, I remember when Gary was a small channel. However he made so much (awesome) noise that he went on their radar fast. He truly is one of the best, of our kind of creators, on here.
Hey, does he ever talk to Doomcock anymore?
@Brett Baratheon I am not sure. I haven't seen them streamed together in so long so I would assume no. But who knows if they made amends behind closed doors. "Overlord DVD" was a great and unique channel. But he fell into the Mike Zeroh category with the click bait titles and constantly Kathleen Kennedy is fired videos that never came true.
Whenever I see that scene where Saruman gets stabbed, I remember the interview with Peter Jackson where he tells how he wanted Saruman to scream... and got then lectured by Christopher Lee that a man stabbed in the lung does not scream, but only makes a soft 'aaaah...'. He further elaborates how he remembered that Mr. Lee was an active SAS member during WW2 who actually had seen some (probably nasty) special ops stuff and decided to not argue with Mr. Lee. Sigh, I wish Christopher Lee would be still alive and could maybe have a word or two with those disgusting people.
I wonder if WB will have lore from their Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War franchise come into play. I wouldn't be surprise if it is in direct relation to them. Although they are completely non-canon and forks off the OG lore, they have a lot more respect for it and its spirit than Rings of Power IMO
The Simarilion was my favorite Tolkien stories. Whilst most characters don't get the same attention as the trilogy characters, the tales were just incredible. I would have loved a good adaptation of the 2nd age. Amazon didn't drop the ball, they threw it on the ground and it bounced up and knocked them out.
I'd love to see Feanor and his saga with the silmarils on screen
I think the biggest issue is they only had the rights to the LOTR appendices and not actually the Simarillion. With what they had the show isn't bad.........It is just incorrect.
Amazon never even made it to the game.
@@madzac1000000no, it's bad. Why does a stone sink?
Assume these are done in the same spirit as Jackson's films:
I would love to see Ungoliant and Morgoth's alliance and destroying the trees, then Morgoth being terrified at Ungoliant's power.
But most of all I would love to see Beren and Luthien, perhaps one of the most beautiful love story ever written, and it must included with Huan, the Hound of Valinor .
Because if you want your movie to really get you in the feels, it must have a dog. No just any dog, but a loyal and brave friend and protector.
I want WB to give PJ as much time and support he needs to make a good LOTR adaptation....I want to see the epic dunk on "Rings of Prime" and this whole terrible writting era.
I want the feeling of watching LOTR for the first time again.
Hopefully WB won’t screw over PJ like they did with him and the team on the Hobbit. Probably on the worst studio meddling and screw over I have ever seen.
@@lunagrace2872 100%!! Do it right, respect the source material...or don't do it at all.
@@thomad4 That's your requirement for making a good film? Terrible!
@@fz7694 How? You have an epic story that has resonated with millions of people all over the world for decades...what benefit is gained by deviating from that story?
@@thomad4 That's not my point. I meant that there are many crappy films that follow the source material which the fans eat up solely because it follows the source material. That doesn't equal a good film. Because at the end of a day a film is its own thing.
The requirement for any kind of storytelling is: do you have a good story that needs to be told? Anything else is secondary. If you want LOTR nr 7 done by Peter Jackson because he "follows the source material" then you're just another clueless shill for these suits squeezing anything left of the money teat that is LOTR.
You've done a man's job sir. Carry On.
I basically see two options here:
#1 They make a series in the setting of the eastern parts of ME so they can show all the "modern audience" stuff without it looking awkward in a "this is how it is done!" move. This would be the careful approach.
#2 They do a full badass movie, bringing something from the story of Rings of Power to the screen in the most fantastic way ever seen, giving Peter Jackson full reign. Not because they are into that, but because they know this would be total destruction for Amazon.
Warner bros is lucky that hogwarts legacy is a success
Why? Isn't Harry Potter owned by Universal?
@@Eidolon1andOnly no wb has the rights
You can thank kotaku and polygon for that. If they wouldn't have ordered people not to buy it, it wouldn't sold 7 or 8 million instead of 12
@@jameshurley776 Ah, gotcha. Thanks.
Why?
Give Jackson Angmar or another epic tale straight from the books, such as the War of the Last Alliance. Allow him time to get everything right and I believe there’s a chance it could be good.
The Children of Hurin 👌🏻
People forget that most of those jacked-up views are made mainly from CURIOSITY! Each view doesn't necessarily equal one approval. I watched the whole of Season 1 as a comedy skit I was asking myself "how bad can it really get from here" and it delivered each episode.
At this point, I am no longer hopeful with anything being produced. After what they did with Willow, I am done. I hope Peter Jackson doesn't sell out.
One can only hope WB & New Line go the way of Jackson’s LOTR trilogy with everything they make using Tolkien sources (and not the Hobbit and definitely not the amazon-ROP way)
Not not only that...
What they could tell?
The first age? A good telling of the Second Age?
See what they did with The Hobbit, they forced a Trilogy of ONE BOOK.
Wokeness is not only DANGER, milking it to death is too.
Help us Peter Jackson,
You're our only hope.
They used the term For Modern Audiences. It's going to be a Woke Mess. - Doc
@@topclips1872 No… But you are way too negative
I hope they do better. Jackson's LOTR'S was garbage.
Rings of power feels like a bad trip we don't want to remember, but we keep getting reminded of it
Always on point. Keep up the great work!
I don't even remember how I found this channel but it has been so refreshing finally hearing takes again that aren't garbage after all the good channels I used to pay attention to were banned in like 2019
The Galadriel horse scene never fails to crack me up.
I personally would like Peter Jackson to do the entire Chronicles of Narnia. The Hobbit movies being drawn out aside, he knows how to keep a narrative across films.
Before you get too excited, let's not forget how they mangled The Hobbit.
A lore-accurate movie with Melkor as the antagonist would be badass.
Would have to be at least 3 movies long tbh, melkors story covers thousands of years and a ridiculous amount of stories are intertwined with it. The lord of the rings alone only takes place over 1 year, imagine how much time you'll need to tell melkors story.
It's been a long time since I read these books, but if they have access to "Unfinished Tales" as well, I would be most intrigued by a (multiple season) series starting with Tuor escaping his slavers and his quest to find Gondolin (featuring the Vala Ulmo), then the fall of Gondolin and the journey of Earendil and at the end the Valar kicking Morgoth's rear end.
Imagine seeing Tulkas beating Melkor’s ass on the big screen.
And the story of Turin would be epic
@@johnord684 that woul be so good and the story of beren and luthien
Gollum portrayed by Ricky might be the best re-casting idea I’ve ever heard.
The Rings of Power wiki page has been scrubbed. There is now no reference at all to any of the criticism, or the audience reception.
I never get enough of the commentary of these videos bring me joy. Thank you, nerdrotic.
Tolkien fans like myself won't watch rings of power regardless of what they do. Their abomination of the second age cant be undone. The Lord of the Rings movies left out a great deal anyway, I mean Jackson did very well given the constraits he had in terms of time and money but even his movies are lacking in many areas. He did get the overall theme and what he did produce was true to Tolkien in spirit. The problem with doing any of Tolkiens work is you cant skimp on any of the detail its important. I will give you an example: In the movies Arwen comes to Argorn and the hobbits after amon sul, in fact its Glorfindel who battles some nazgul at the last bridge and then finds the party and leads them as far as he can into the trollshaws when the nazgul attack again. He then commands his horse asfoloth to bring Frodo to rivendell as he stays and fights off the Nazgul. So the point here is Jackson, captures the spirit of the event with Arwen but even he takes a lot of license. What Amazon has done has discarded even the spirit of middle earth completely. Just look at the portrayal of Elrond, its ridiculous. Anyway, Im done ranting, lol.
Jackson's quote will NEVER get old. Wise words, I wish Amazon had heeded them.
I wish Jackson had heeded them.
Excellent suggestion, put out a remastered, extended - extended cut, with bonus extra director's cut and including the cinematic original release and remastered cinematic original release, both with and without commentary, the making of and extensive collections of all the cast and crew and special effects crew right down to the stable hands who worked the horses and trained the actors etc. talking everything LoTR with merch, merch and more merch. Also, this done in multiple media from DVD, to blue ray to bloody laser discs.
And do a full re-release cycle in cinemas at the same time as the original Harry Potter movies, remember when they used to say there was only one block buster per year? well LoTR and HP stopped that BS.
Yes, this is the "take the free money just lying there on the table begging to be picked up" shot.
The audience actively does not want "remake the movies to suit modern times" that is what the audience, aggressively, belligerently, does not want , let alone want to pay for.
Their option (singular) for bringing new stories to film is option two, make movies from the VAST amount of material from the Silmarillion and other accepted works. And do it in the timeless way, honouring the lore, there are lifetimes worth of stories there to be told in movie form.
Make cinematic Shakespeare (whose works are still inspiring people 400 years on) "though this would require a great deal of skill and care" they define themselves, "though" confession much?
I was so pissed off when I saw saruman get killed like that...betrayal of the story. But then I heard that Jackson had done it to troll Lee in reference to his roll as Dracula I thought it was actually awesome
Everyone says Silmarillion would be difficult to make as a film, and yes, especially the Ainulindalë, but you could do an awesome trilogy with Beren and Luthien leading up to the War of Wrath. You could have a quick exposition to cover the creation. Jump into Beren and Luthien's story for the first movie and a half, then the second half of the second movie would setup War of Wrath with the final being the fight against Ancalagon. If you wanted more detail, you could split it up into 3 trilogies. First being the flight of the Noldor, second being Beren and Luthien, then the final being War of Wrath. I would pay good money to see that done right, of course we'll have to wait for this wave of woke-ness to pass.
would love if they can do that, but I thought Tolkien estate never released rights/license to WB, I dont think they can do 1st or 2nd age, maybe just 3rd age where LoTR took place
Nothing difficult with ainulindale. C. Blanchett voiceover and we are going places. Bit of CGI.
@@VishnuZutaten
Should Varda or Namo narrate?
The Ainulindale in the book is from the Elves' perspective, it wasn't the actual Ainulindale. They could practically begin the movie with that chapter word for word with any of the elven characters reading it out and they can make the actual sequence where the Valar are in the void making music.
Or Children of Hurin as one, max two movies would be so cool...but done respectfully
I would LOVE for Peter Jackson to make a movie about Beren and Luthien.
That shot of Ron Swanson throwing his whole computer in the trash to ‘destroy the information about him that is on the internet’ is so unbelievable perfect for this whole debacle.
Bring me the Stories of Angmar and Melkor, done by Peter Jackson and no studio meddling in. Hell I'd pay my years salary for that.
I don’t see how a rings of power season two is even feasible at this point
And that is music to my ears
I'd love to see the story of Beren and Lúthien on screen.
I'd like someone to tell the story of Beren and Luthien.... that one would transfer well to the screen.
Nerdrotic you are like a fresh cup of coffee mate, I need more videos from you. Daily preferably.
"...and Gollum will be Ricky Berwick." Oh Jesus God YES, let's make this happen!
Nobody can take away Our Jackson trilogy and thats a good Thing.
Every year I watch them once
Extended or original theater release?
Would love a trilogy covering the timeline from the music of the Ainur to the end of the second age
'Where was Gondor, when amazon made Rings of Power ?'
Make tvs shows & movies with strong men leaders again 👍🏽💯
Actually. Let's just hope they choose better showrunners and screenwriters. If they sucked, it will be a mess anyway
I'll go definitively for op 2 The Silmarillion they have a lot to cover from, maybe even more than a trilogy! It would be great for the fandom to have the beginnings of the Tolkien realm in 4 or 5 movies. But needs to be totally and strictly to Tolkien Lore, so no misconceptions arise there i.e. Black High Elves, White privileged Orcs and gender changing empowered WOKE characters that don't exist in Tolkien's World. There... I said it🤓
I hav always thought that the game (even though not cannon) The War in the North was excellent. I think it would be awesome to see the real war in the north that ended in an epic phyrric victory where Dain and Brand both died. It would be awesome and we would get to see the true military might of Rhun
My personal favourite was that rts battle for middle earth 2.but thanks for the name drop of the game. Ill check it out
There are some movies that should not be remade or rather retold for another 50 to 100 years. Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings films are some of those movies.
Extended Extended editions please, its a mine of pure gold WB is sitting on.
Being a fan of the books first, then the Peter Jackson films. I'll not be holding my breath waiting for the new films (if they ever happen).
I rewatched the LOTR trilogy a couple weeks ago after not seeing it for a whole decade. Truly a perfect trilogy and never should have a remake.
I made to ep 2-3, can’t remember because it had nothing happening except Galadriel being more powerful than all the characters combined
That was one of the BEST part of 2022 was finding out the great and powerful fandom that is L.O.W and everything Tolkien. When most have fallen we stand strong against the tide and did not waver, thanks to people like Nerdrotic and anyone ells who called it out proved if we stand strong together with the lore and to the fellowship we can defeat the overlords who think they know better .HAIL!!! to Nerdrotic HAIL!!! to N.F.T and HAIL!!!! TO THE FELLOWSHIP!!!!
Damn that last clip of Peter, that's what a real director and artist sounds like.
i havent seen the new extended extended edition so i dont know if this was already done, but i think a movie based around the scouring of the shire could be very good
there is no scouring in the extended version unfortunately, saruman is killed in his tower as seen at the beginning of this video. The only sort of mention to this event in Peter's trilogy is when Galadriel and Frodo look at the water mirror.
Tolkien turned in his grave so much his remains surfaced in Australia
I've been re-reading "the children of Huron" by the late proffesor for the 3rd time in my life and I still think in terms of scope and scale it is Tolkiens best work. A true tragedy that I recommend to all fantasy enjoyers. Hail all!!!
I haven't read it, but now I will. Thanks for the recommendation.
@@2OldGeeksTalking Be sure you read the Silmarillion first. You can read the full Children of Hurin book instead of the chapter called "Of Turin Turambar" in the Silmarillion for a more fleshed out version. If you read Children of Hurin first, you won't understand anything about the story.
So this is how THE MESSAGE dies.....with thunderous applause.
A movie version (heck, even three films) depicting the war of the last alliance would be SICK AS FUCK! "Throw it into the fire!"
The Silmarillion has plenty of material from which to make some pretty amazing film adaptations with the right writers and directors. Children of Hurin, Fall of Gondolin or Beren and Luthien to name a few.
Gary killing it as usual. Nice work. Nerdrotic/Critical drinker 2024!
Gary is special. Really exceptional in his skill and insights.
@@kathleenhensley5951 And he has common sense, something that is severally lacking in our society today.