I find it unfortunate that jungian psychology and stuff doesn’t seem to be taken seriously anymore because it doesn’t conform to the “modern” approach to science. If only society didn’t push it away and saw its merit in allowing us to achieve more social harmony. To me, it’s not about how “scientifically sound” a theory is. It’s about listening to the theory, verifying its merit based on a quick scan of my personal experiences, observations in the world, and general intuition. Then if it stands up, I will accept the theory. You have person A who accepts the theory, actually applies it in his day to day life, and BENEFITS from it. Then you have person B who rejected the theory and misses out on all these benefits. Moral of the story, don’t be person B - always keep your ears open.
Scientific validation doesn't work with 1 person A and 1 person B. You'd need a large group of people to test your theory and a second group to compare. For example, you take 100 people who are ENFJ according to your theory and convince them to follow your guidelines on how an ENFJ could improve themselves. You also take a second group of 100 people who are not ENFJ and let them follow the same guidelines. Afterwards, you compare the results. If the first group isn't doing significantly better, you can trash the theory. I'd love to see the results of such test because - while I'm convinced it's useful to identify personality types - I wonder for example why there would be 16 and not some other number. In my opinion, this "science" is currently at the level medicine was a 1000 years ago when the cure for fever was to let someone bleed. As soon as someone can produce undeniable and independently repeatable results, this science will be taken seriously. Until that time, it's all simply unproven theory.
Just on the side note, that is a very interesting way to think about the Ego functions, like a family. Hero: the superhero father Parent: the responsible, caring mother Child: the innocent, enthusiastic, slightly naive kid Inferior: the loving baby, who needs tons of love and care
I love how you get so into the lecture and start yelling it's really engaging to listen to someone so clearly passionate about what they're talking about
Like Carl Jung, one reading of anything he wrote is not enough, one listening to a C S Joseph talk is not enough, not even close. Listening multiple times is needed, the content is so deep. Unbelievably rich. Brilliant.
As an ENTP i’ve been able to use my functions to not only help my life, but the people around me too and its all because i can type them, talk to the right functions, and socially engineer them towards a better way of thinking. Thus giving themselves the tools to have a better life. And its all because of you so thank you so much☺️
Haha it took him 11.5 minutes into the video before he started talking about the actual topic, and he didn't start going through the types until 16:30.
I just want to say thank you for being so honest about the INFJ type. I literally teared up a few times but that's not a bad thing. I know just about everything that you say about INFJ's because I try to be as self aware as possible but to hear them out loud and to understand the damage that my flaws can do... it encourages me to stop hoping that I'm sufficiently covering up my flaws and actually fix them. Thank you.
Rebecca Hovland Yeah. His lectures can really touch a soft spot. and sometimes it can be a roller coaster of emotions (but mostly crying due to painful past experiences explained) - ESFJ here
I can imagine a cartoon series could be created based on these stories with the 8 functions inside of the human mind. Like in the animation movie 'Inside out', or figures, knights sitting around the round table, debating. It would be really educational and entertaining at the same time. And it would also reach a lot of people, also children. Easy to say as a bystander, I know.
I agree that developing the unconscious = maturity. You should totally do a lecture delineating how to get there, and how to make the most of it once you are. For example as an INFJ, when I'm in my ENFP shadow I write down all of my seemingly never ending notions, and then connect the dots & fully flesh them out once I'm back in my ego. Please never stop doing what you're doing or let anything derail you; I remember reading some of the vitriolic comments a while ago in response to your INFJ video & thinking "they're letting their reptilian brain take over & are missing the point entirely". I refuse to be one of those reactionary & immature INFJs. The reality is that so much of typology is pure common sense--what do well rounded, aspiring individuals strive to do every single day? The obvious answer is work on their weaknesses, fears, and insecurities. I suspect that this is why Jungian psych feels very much like everything coming together; at the heart of it, it's simply about becoming a fully integrated human being and the best possible version of yourself. Why on earth then, would anyone so adamantly rail against a tool that facilitates this kind of growth? It's beyond me. Anyway lol thanks for enduring the long comment & keep on keepin' on👍👍👍
14:45 How to use the Nemesis function. (It carries a person's worry, a person's concern, it carries a person's confrontrational attitude.) 16:22 ISTP, INTP Te Nemesis 29:02 ESFJ, ENFJ Fi Nemesis Thank you Mr Joseph. Very grateful for your Input!!
You made a good point about Se nemesis worrying about giving people space. I'm an ISTJ, and The mom of the first guy I dated yelled at my mom for having an intrusive daughter. I called a couple times during the relationship. One time I accidentally called her son when he was doing homework, and he apparently didn't like it. She said girls have no business reaching out to guys, and I had no business doing that. I have trouble with social norms, so I tried to learn from this, but this has really scarred me. I still feel I have the potential to be intrusive even though I always thought I've given people enough space. I've been talking to an ISTP for almost 15 years, and waiting for him to initiate doesn't work, and I feel like I'm going against the grain all this time.
Me INFJ...my mother INTJ. Her guidance “Stephanie! Are you listening to me?! I swear to god you are always lost in the clouds! You need to get back to reality. Get out of lala land and listen to me! You must NEVER trust anyone. You must rely on yourself!” Then takes a long drag from her cigarette and picks up her 16 ounce glass of vodka tonic. Thus endith the lesson. Now I leave and go climb my favorite tree.
Chase: ENTPs and ENFPs intertwine people's futures. Also Chase: Suggests to Fe and Fi Heros to go to the exact same place to become mature. I see what you did there, buddy.
My ENFJ mother-in-law is so amazing because she is very well-balanced with her Fe hero and Fi nemesis. She is an amazing host AND volunteers her time at basically everything possible. One of the most incredible people I’ve ever met.
Worry what people want me to do & Cannot remember any my own good experience in past but very good at remember my own bad experience are absolutely really really painful true about being an INTJ. 1,000xThanks, Joseph.
I keep having mental breakdowns watching your videos, but I keep coming back and I learn something new about myself and others everytime. It's addicting.
INTP here. I'm new to all this cognitive functions stuff and just been binge watching your vids for the past 2 weeks lol. Fascinating. Just subbed. It's like you've given me a new tool to hack away at my perception of the world and past interactions. Thanks to you I've come to understand and accept a number of personal things I'd like to mention, like why my brother and I see things completely differently and have often fallen out (I predict he's an ISFP) after listening to you I started to talk more on the moral side of things and his interest in cooking etc. and was surprised at his depth, we now tend to get on better. With my second brother he seems like an INTJ, I guess this explains why I tend to get on well with him and we would often spend long hours talking about abstract ideas like no-one else I know. There's also a 'friend' of mine who I've never quite understood. He seems to lack any logic or meaning in his actions and has really frustrated me when he starts talking about any subject I know something of; I've internally judged him as an empty-headed bleeding-heart liberal, so I think he's an ESFJ or P which I suppose would explain why we have zero in common. I'm unsure how 'solid' the whole mbti cognitive function science is, but it's definitely helped me better accept the way I think (stopped me thinking there's something wrong with me) and now helps me see beyond the differences I have with people I've interacted with. You've created so many light-bulb moments for me. Thanks. Look forward to your future vids
You won’t be disappointed, this is some of the best content not only on CZcams but on the entire internet. -Hearing this a second time seeing the nemesis as being the gateway to the Shadow, i see a lot of ppl are in their shadows more than I realized I think, especially when under stress, ( considering Covid, and the economic loss of millions last few years) it also can make a fast typing of someone more challenging.
The dope is strong in this one, ... "Master what happenned?" "A disturbance in the dope I see, wary we must be for the dopest season overdope us may" *gets ready for more #thedopest *
You should give yourself more credit since you're making something new, taking its own shape, after synthesizing all these other experts! If you're steering typology understanding towards a more accurate truth, there's a lot of people depending on your fine-tuning :D Although I appreciate all the citations of everyone's ideas, the way you put it together seems to have a lot of your unique insights, too.
Sniegel INTJ’s are suspicious of their surroundings by nature. The Ni dom is always looking at the hidden meanings, they’re not immature if they don’t trust immediately. You need to gain trust, it’s not just given.
My trust is a precious thing and an awesome privilege, but I'll give it to you if you earn it. Perks include intense loyalty and access to my ESFP subconscious, which is very funny.
seriously cant wait for the critic function, great work as always man 36:32 GOTTA LOVE MY PARANOIA LMAO, but seriously tho it's real and watching ur videos is helping me fight it big time, so...uhhh...thanks for that
When you talk about Ne Nemesis (Im an INFJ) I was confused at first because Im not paranoid about others intentions, but then I realise that I do actually jump to conclusions by thinking everyone has good intentions behind their actions, and thats my form of Ne nemesis. I think.
Just so you know, you really made a landmark with this here on Earth, and as an INFP I totally understand what you envisioned, meaning it is all for the Better Good. I don't only understand, I absolutely agree, we need to help people feel better, feel comfortable, help them to be happy even if my motivation is more idealistic than rational. So keep up the good work, you've already helped me understand some issues I experienced with different types and gave me the knowledge never to let any of them down that way again. Thank you honestly! I just love this series!
I loved this lecture! Something I’ve experience as an ENFJ is that Fi is like a little voice that keeps telling me “Oh so you’re going to ignore your own needs at the expense of the group” “Yes, keep doing whatever other people wants, I guess you don’t matter”
This is probably a very ENFP thing to say, but I can't wait for when you are famous and I can say I followed you before it was cool. 😎 It's amazing you know all this stuff, how much did you learn from your mentors vs from the books you have read? How did your mentors figure this out and why didn't they share it, or did they? How do I get better a typing, I'm having trouble with my friends? Do I watch interviews of the people you have typed in your videos and try to work backwards and see the elements you described in your how to type videos? I've seen all your videos btw, this is also the second time I've ever made a comment on CZcams and the first was recommending your channel lol. I'll ask the questions in discord as well so you don't have to answer here. I also have an identical twin brother, how would that affect the development of the four sides of the mind, we believe he is also an ENFP. Anyway, that's a lot but I'm trying to stay charitable 👍😁 Keep typing! A loyal thought vampire :)
36:54 this one is particularly accurate for me, and INFJ recovering from going through a downward spiral of negativity after jumping to catastrophic conclusions, all of this last weekend. Thank you Chase. Your work is amazing,
Worth the wait. But dang, when I first got the notification, I was so excited. Then I clicked and literally lol-ed, “You bastard! You magnificent bastard!”
Chase, Just wanted to let you know you did a fantastic job on this video. You’re hard work is and will pay off if you continue this path. With how integrated you are I am hopeful you overcome any obstacle to come your way, even your liver problem ❤️ keep this up man
Never thought I'd be studying this much again xD Finished all ~160 of your videos today finally, it was amazing, I've learned so much and it already helped a lot! Thank you!
So Ne nemesis shows a list of potentially dark fates for Ni hero to avoid and it asks Se inferior to to look at what other people are doing so that Ni hero chooses a better future. Am I correct?
As someone who has Ne Nemesis, I make correlations to a woman’s relationship with her family (esp. the father), her friends, mannersisms, behavior in some instances and induce that she will become a certain type of person in the future (possibly with me). I realize that I have severe trust issues that I have to work on. I tend to not leave any stone unturned. Even a tattoo in a woman has to mean something (I think her personality is dangerous). I tend to have rigid rules. INFJ’s aren’t too nice as people think. We also have flaws.
The whole link to storytelling is really true, to me it makes total sense that we love stories , which are basically about these functions and their interplay their conflict and the cognitive transitions that are played out in story beats and moments, people that represent the nemesis or the trickster or the hero, it's definitely why we care about stories so much and always have, it's somehow part of us, even though most people will never understand these functions, it's somehow natural and we get it but under the skin understanding these functions can help us write better stories.
I'm so damn socially paranoid (Ne) sometimes. I think people are rejecting me (Ne Nemesis) because I was rejected a couple times but being aware of this helps a lot. -INTJ
For me it manifests as the fear that someone is watching me or trying to kill me. That's why it takes me 10 minutes to cross the road, I always check behind my back etc. It's ridiculous and sometimes even pointless. I need to fix that issue
Yeah I’m constantly questioning people’s intentions and don’t know if they really are trustworthy and so I create my own fate in that I jeopardize the trust in my end (infj)
The fact that the shadow, especialy its primary function which manifests to the hero as its nemesis, is attracted to the ego is an incredible insight that deserves to go down in the history books
One of your best talks. Important understanding of how each type can grow by actively doing things specific to their needs. And the need is always balancing the introverted and extroverted side of the hero function. I especially loved the commentary on mutual understanding ( hearing John Lennon Imagine).
37:00 INFJ made me feel this way, I knew she didn't understand me(INTP) and because of that I knew that she would take that misunderstanding and extrapolate it. She made me feel like I was always up to something nefarious.
I get so frustrated with a certain INTJ all the time because he keeps assuming that I have bad intentions. If I prove him that I don't have bad intentions he just switches to other people and acts, just like you say, based on his assumptions about their intentions. It's so annoying and tiresome and I can't even count how often ive wanted to give up so far but he's still my best friend and I don't know how. ~ENTP btw
i'm an intj and you're literally describing me :'). I guess we just need validation/reassurance at times because we know what we're doing, but we are oftentimes skeptical of others intentions. I think this is because we're always so certain about ourselves but we feel insecure and fearful about other people because we can't foresee their actions, and are scared they would sabotage a plan, relationship, etc. that we foresaw for ourselves.
I'm an INTJ and crazy as it seems I did have one situation where my intentions were being questioned by another INTJ. I don't know what to say other than communicate with him. Somehow or some way, you would have to find out what is the issue from his point of view. Although I am still learning about cognitive functions myself, we are very much responding even though movement oriented. In other words, in most cases, we will only volunteer so much information that is requested. Therefore, you would have to dig down ask as many questions as possible to get to the bottom and find out the root cause. This may seem odd given that you are an informative type. However, I think this is very much necessary in order for both of you not to talk past one another. After all, even though there may be a general consensus that he believes you have bad intentions. What he believes is "that" very bad intention will probably be different from what you "think" that "he thinks" is that bad intention. Only thereafter will you find a resolution.
Cheez, when Chase started with Ne, I literally coiled back as if being reprimanded to my room lol. Sjoe! His stuff is so informative ... but I always brace myself when he gets to us INFJs. (No - not making assumptions. I will assume you do like INFJs too.) Okay, I need a drink now (kidding) :D
I love all the energy you put in your words ! Very interesting session. Every time you talk about INFJ it’s like firework, truly true, my ears crave to hear it, I'm a big fan ! Thank you !
I didn't expect, after so many years dabbling with typology, that I could still get that stimulated by it. All those videos have been on point, with depth and precision, and utterly dispel the vagueness that weights the theory down. And in this particular video, you are expressing so squarely so many things I knew, but didn't systematise. Thanks for sharing the knowledge. Also, love your style.
This makes so much more sense then the ¨Oh when you´re stressed you go ENTJ¨ or whatever. It´s not like your conscious functions leave. It can be something helpful that you can use whenever. Appreciate the clarification/assertion.
As someone who has Ne Nemesis, I make correlations to a woman’s relationship with her family (esp. the father), her friends, mannersisms, behavior in some instances and induce that she will become a certain type of person in the future (possibly with me). I realize that I have severe trust issues that I have to work on. I tend to not leave any stone unturned.
ahaha! I totally agree with the paranoia of the INFJ. One thing I just noticed recently. 2 of my recent romantic relationships (actually I do not think they really have been real relationships, more like romantic attempts) ended up because my "guts" told me that the girl really did not like me and that she was just being kind respect and I was bothering her so I should leave her alone. I pulled away from her and she after a while came after me wanting a date, which made me realize that I had been irrationally paranoid, and had suffered for no reason before, totally by my fault.
ESFJs and ENFJ's need to acknowledge individuality and respect people over social norms. That will help their Fi nemesis. ISFP's and INFP's need to see that social norms can actually help individuals...so quit being a wet blanket or critical of standard social protocols.
My understanding of myself and my shadow, is in harmony with your assertion of the Shadow's attraction to the ego and its sense of preservation in the form of the Shadow's cognitive functions. The shadow comes through in our blind spots when we aren't conscious of it, or don't at least acknowledge it's presence. Do you want to make your unconscious conscious? It's a whole lot quieter when it feels seen and safe.
Brilliant improvisation on the classical thinking. I'm absorbing all the nuggets of wisdom from various CZcamsrs to make sense of it for myself. Your channel.is very unique. Thanks for the work.
This is the reason why I mistyped as an ENFP at first! It was when my mental health was at its lowest. It was not apparent to me since I used Ne better than aux Ne users I know and even the average dom Ne users. Looking back, I was not really comfortable using it. The way I used it was motivated by anxiety and keeping up.
Any currency that benefits from "tax-driven money demand," and thus becomes a monopoly, will screw over it's subjects in favor of the issuer. Tis the nature of monopolies. Tax-driven money demand: "The purpose of taxes is not to finance the government, but create demand for the currency." No taxes on private currencies.
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Laughing throughout the video when you explained how to use this function. So nemesis function goes like, "Told you so, but you don't want to listen."
Hey guys, infj here. I really pushed some of my buds to the edge with my paranoia in my fit of depression. But guess what guys? I GOT BETTER AND THEY ALL CAME BACK. And you know what? YOU CAN DO THAT TOO, fellow infj or intj 👌🏾
I must confess after watching your videos I did at one point in time wonder if you were an entj but I'm wrong you're way too damn opinionated so you're definitely ENTP and that's cool though you're being yourself and you have no filter which is cool you're just you know doing what you do and you're good at it man
having never listened to this video in entirety, but having gone through a little bought with my Villain/nemisis function, I can see how this can become an ally. My current view of My Si as an ESTP is: "As your gateway into the unconcious, im gonna make you worried about things that you cannot deal with in the moment, so until you give the appropriate attention and focus on this task, I will remind you that it may fail if you dont get your act together". We will see if I change my view. edit: guess those paid cognative transition courses paid off.
Lol I get told a lot I am paranoid xD I used to think I was never wrong but I've grown from that... I can be wrong and that's so hard for me to believe, even now! Thanks for the advice :)
Спасибо ! Я выучился на психолога Эниостиля Анатолия Панченко.Сейчас его переняли и назвали по своему - Профайлинг.Вы более "крутой" и прекрасно дополняете мои знания и опыт , для улучшения людей, не такими как я хочу что-бы оно были,а такими какие они есть. Игорь.
Let me see if I got this right. "Nemesis makes sure the Hero is taking proper action to quell Nemesis worry. For the point of life is to become more than the sum of our parts." So Ne Nemesis strategizes information to give Ni Hero..... Hope I got it right, since I didn't last time.... Good work, Chase; I can't tell you how happy I am to have discovered your channel.
I had to put myself in time out. I was also studying for a test and there was this like blanket of negativity in the chat. Anyway, I was never really one to box anyone in, and that is what I perceived was going on in chat. Anyway, I am old enough to know better. And I shouldn't have been procrastinating from my test (which I just passed, hooray!) You live, you learn, and people become quite predictable (and boring, because the just crapola is never different, or funny, or surprising). I appreciate your efforts in trying to make people take a different path, but sadly, seems they will be stubborn in remaining to pigeon hole themselves, and use their letters to justify their negative behavior, Rome wasn't built in a day, anyhow! Very interesting stuff :)
Re-listening, again, and still loving it! This is one of my favorite jigsaw puzzles, which I enjoy hearing you solve. Btw, thank you for helping my Te nemesis & Ti hero to become best buds, because my Fe infant & Fi angel really needed these lectures!
16:22 ISTP, INTP
27:50 ESTJ, ENTJ
29:00 ESFJ, ENFJ
29:47 ENFP, ENTP
31:32 ISFP, INFP
33:43 ISTJ, ISFJ
36:34 INTJ, INFJ
43:02 ESTP, ESFP
Thank you so much 🤣
@Oakley John holy shit
@Oakley John liar
Very good job. Thanks
Te? Lol
This is s a c r e d k n o w l e g e
Btw, 37:25 should be a meme. "You wanna trigger my Se demon?".
I find it unfortunate that jungian psychology and stuff doesn’t seem to be taken seriously anymore because it doesn’t conform to the “modern” approach to science. If only society didn’t push it away and saw its merit in allowing us to achieve more social harmony.
To me, it’s not about how “scientifically sound” a theory is. It’s about listening to the theory, verifying its merit based on a quick scan of my personal experiences, observations in the world, and general intuition. Then if it stands up, I will accept the theory.
You have person A who accepts the theory, actually applies it in his day to day life, and BENEFITS from it. Then you have person B who rejected the theory and misses out on all these benefits. Moral of the story, don’t be person B - always keep your ears open.
well siad
You're not wrong
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ShadowQuik You ENFJ are you not?
Scientific validation doesn't work with 1 person A and 1 person B. You'd need a large group of people to test your theory and a second group to compare. For example, you take 100 people who are ENFJ according to your theory and convince them to follow your guidelines on how an ENFJ could improve themselves. You also take a second group of 100 people who are not ENFJ and let them follow the same guidelines. Afterwards, you compare the results. If the first group isn't doing significantly better, you can trash the theory.
I'd love to see the results of such test because - while I'm convinced it's useful to identify personality types - I wonder for example why there would be 16 and not some other number. In my opinion, this "science" is currently at the level medicine was a 1000 years ago when the cure for fever was to let someone bleed.
As soon as someone can produce undeniable and independently repeatable results, this science will be taken seriously. Until that time, it's all simply unproven theory.
Just on the side note, that is a very interesting way to think about the Ego functions, like a family.
Hero: the superhero father
Parent: the responsible, caring mother
Child: the innocent, enthusiastic, slightly naive kid
Inferior: the loving baby, who needs tons of love and care
yes
Or the superhero mother and the responsible, caring father
Who says the functions had to be opposite genders? Lol
@@77thFromChrist yeah the mother superhero works better and makes more sense
I love how you get so into the lecture and start yelling it's really engaging to listen to someone so clearly passionate about what they're talking about
Like Carl Jung, one reading of anything he wrote is not enough, one listening to a C S Joseph talk is not enough, not even close. Listening multiple times is needed, the content is so deep. Unbelievably rich. Brilliant.
As an ENTP i’ve been able to use my functions to not only help my life, but the people around me too and its all because i can type them, talk to the right functions, and socially engineer them towards a better way of thinking. Thus giving themselves the tools to have a better life. And its all because of you so thank you so much☺️
“The Tangent is strong with this one” - Yoda
Actually "Strong with this one the tangent is" :D
Haha it took him 11.5 minutes into the video before he started talking about the actual topic, and he didn't start going through the types until 16:30.
@@arturkvieira what type
Whenever you yell at the camera I can't help but think that you would make a great charismatic dictator 😂😉
Great lecture as always 👌
one day I will get the camera to melt.
@@CSJoseph lol
I just want to say thank you for being so honest about the INFJ type. I literally teared up a few times but that's not a bad thing. I know just about everything that you say about INFJ's because I try to be as self aware as possible but to hear them out loud and to understand the damage that my flaws can do... it encourages me to stop hoping that I'm sufficiently covering up my flaws and actually fix them. Thank you.
you are most welcome
Rebecca Hovland Yeah. His lectures can really touch a soft spot. and sometimes it can be a roller coaster of emotions (but mostly crying due to painful past experiences explained) - ESFJ here
I can imagine a cartoon series could be created based on these stories with the 8 functions inside of the human mind. Like in the animation movie 'Inside out', or figures, knights sitting around the round table, debating. It would be really educational and entertaining at the same time. And it would also reach a lot of people, also children. Easy to say as a bystander, I know.
@A.J. Kan あっぷ
That's genius
What about the movie the INCREDIBLES?
I agree that developing the unconscious = maturity. You should totally do a lecture delineating how to get there, and how to make the most of it once you are. For example as an INFJ, when I'm in my ENFP shadow I write down all of my seemingly never ending notions, and then connect the dots & fully flesh them out once I'm back in my ego. Please never stop doing what you're doing or let anything derail you; I remember reading some of the vitriolic comments a while ago in response to your INFJ video & thinking "they're letting their reptilian brain take over & are missing the point entirely". I refuse to be one of those reactionary & immature INFJs. The reality is that so much of typology is pure common sense--what do well rounded, aspiring individuals strive to do every single day? The obvious answer is work on their weaknesses, fears, and insecurities. I suspect that this is why Jungian psych feels very much like everything coming together; at the heart of it, it's simply about becoming a fully integrated human being and the best possible version of yourself. Why on earth then, would anyone so adamantly rail against a tool that facilitates this kind of growth? It's beyond me. Anyway lol thanks for enduring the long comment & keep on keepin' on👍👍👍
Immature INFJ’s have a tendency for hitler rage I’ve noticed lol
14:45 How to use the Nemesis function.
(It carries a person's worry, a person's concern, it carries a person's confrontrational attitude.)
16:22 ISTP, INTP Te Nemesis
29:02 ESFJ, ENFJ Fi Nemesis
Thank you Mr Joseph. Very grateful for your Input!!
You made a good point about Se nemesis worrying about giving people space.
I'm an ISTJ, and The mom of the first guy I dated yelled at my mom for having an intrusive daughter. I called a couple times during the relationship. One time I accidentally called her son when he was doing homework, and he apparently didn't like it. She said girls have no business reaching out to guys, and I had no business doing that. I have trouble with social norms, so I tried to learn from this, but this has really scarred me. I still feel I have the potential to be intrusive even though I always thought I've given people enough space. I've been talking to an ISTP for almost 15 years, and waiting for him to initiate doesn't work, and I feel like I'm going against the grain all this time.
Me INFJ...my mother INTJ. Her guidance “Stephanie! Are you listening to me?! I swear to god you are always lost in the clouds! You need to get back to reality. Get out of lala land and listen to me! You must NEVER trust anyone. You must rely on yourself!” Then takes a long drag from her cigarette and picks up her 16 ounce glass of vodka tonic. Thus endith the lesson. Now I leave and go climb my favorite tree.
scrillion6 I'm INTJ and on behalf of us, I apologize for your childhood hurts.
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@@Blackrazor_Daystar lol that's cute.
As an ESFJ this series is literally a revelation. Ty for all the hardwork 😁
Chase: ENTPs and ENFPs intertwine people's futures.
Also Chase: Suggests to Fe and Fi Heros to go to the exact same place to become mature.
I see what you did there, buddy.
Your system is the most comprehensive and understandable one. 🧡
Right?? Like finally all this mbti stuff makes sense
My ENFJ mother-in-law is so amazing because she is very well-balanced with her Fe hero and Fi nemesis. She is an amazing host AND volunteers her time at basically everything possible. One of the most incredible people I’ve ever met.
Worry what people want me to do & Cannot remember any my own good experience in past but very good at remember my own bad experience are absolutely really really painful true about being an INTJ. 1,000xThanks, Joseph.
What is going on here!?
Ohohoho no! Too real!
I keep having mental breakdowns watching your videos, but I keep coming back and I learn something new about myself and others everytime. It's addicting.
INTP here. I'm new to all this cognitive functions stuff and just been binge watching your vids for the past 2 weeks lol. Fascinating. Just subbed. It's like you've given me a new tool to hack away at my perception of the world and past interactions. Thanks to you I've come to understand and accept a number of personal things I'd like to mention, like why my brother and I see things completely differently and have often fallen out (I predict he's an ISFP) after listening to you I started to talk more on the moral side of things and his interest in cooking etc. and was surprised at his depth, we now tend to get on better. With my second brother he seems like an INTJ, I guess this explains why I tend to get on well with him and we would often spend long hours talking about abstract ideas like no-one else I know. There's also a 'friend' of mine who I've never quite understood. He seems to lack any logic or meaning in his actions and has really frustrated me when he starts talking about any subject I know something of; I've internally judged him as an empty-headed bleeding-heart liberal, so I think he's an ESFJ or P which I suppose would explain why we have zero in common.
I'm unsure how 'solid' the whole mbti cognitive function science is, but it's definitely helped me better accept the way I think (stopped me thinking there's something wrong with me) and now helps me see beyond the differences I have with people I've interacted with. You've created so many light-bulb moments for me. Thanks. Look forward to your future vids
You won’t be disappointed, this is some of the best content not only on CZcams but on the entire internet.
-Hearing this a second time seeing the nemesis as being the gateway to the Shadow, i see a lot of ppl are in their shadows more than I realized I think, especially when under stress, ( considering Covid, and the economic loss of millions last few years) it also can make a fast typing of someone more challenging.
The dope is strong in this one,
...
"Master what happenned?"
"A disturbance in the dope I see, wary we must be for the dopest season overdope us may"
*gets ready for more #thedopest *
You should give yourself more credit since you're making something new, taking its own shape, after synthesizing all these other experts! If you're steering typology understanding towards a more accurate truth, there's a lot of people depending on your fine-tuning :D Although I appreciate all the citations of everyone's ideas, the way you put it together seems to have a lot of your unique insights, too.
^^ well said. I am so thankful you are still with me, it gives me hope.
What a wonderful comment ❤
Oh the synthesis is revelatory indeed
So true, I’m glad you noticed that too!
i fifth this comment
Trying to get an INTJ to like you and trust you is horrible...
I understand. The INTJ must mature first.
I apologize on behalf of other INTJs.
Sniegel INTJ’s are suspicious of their surroundings by nature. The Ni dom is always looking at the hidden meanings, they’re not immature if they don’t trust immediately. You need to gain trust, it’s not just given.
My trust is a precious thing and an awesome privilege, but I'll give it to you if you earn it. Perks include intense loyalty and access to my ESFP subconscious, which is very funny.
36:32 INTJ
seriously cant wait for the critic function, great work as always man
36:32 GOTTA LOVE MY PARANOIA LMAO, but seriously tho it's real and watching ur videos is helping me fight it big time, so...uhhh...thanks for that
clearly your subconscious is extremely developed bc youre the most affiliative entp ever lol love it
it comes at great cost.
I’m an INFJ. Can confirm that I’ve got ALL the paranoia.
Like I’m worried that other people want to ruin my future plans.
When you talk about Ne Nemesis (Im an INFJ) I was confused at first because Im not paranoid about others intentions, but then I realise that I do actually jump to conclusions by thinking everyone has good intentions behind their actions, and thats my form of Ne nemesis. I think.
watch season 16 episode 5
Just so you know, you really made a landmark with this here on Earth, and as an INFP I totally understand what you envisioned, meaning it is all for the Better Good. I don't only understand, I absolutely agree, we need to help people feel better, feel comfortable, help them to be happy even if my motivation is more idealistic than rational. So keep up the good work, you've already helped me understand some issues I experienced with different types and gave me the knowledge never to let any of them down that way again. Thank you honestly! I just love this series!
I loved this lecture! Something I’ve experience as an ENFJ is that Fi is like a little voice that keeps telling me “Oh so you’re going to ignore your own needs at the expense of the group” “Yes, keep doing whatever other people wants, I guess you don’t matter”
This is probably a very ENFP thing to say, but I can't wait for when you are famous and I can say I followed you before it was cool. 😎
It's amazing you know all this stuff, how much did you learn from your mentors vs from the books you have read? How did your mentors figure this out and why didn't they share it, or did they? How do I get better a typing, I'm having trouble with my friends? Do I watch interviews of the people you have typed in your videos and try to work backwards and see the elements you described in your how to type videos? I've seen all your videos btw, this is also the second time I've ever made a comment on CZcams and the first was recommending your channel lol.
I'll ask the questions in discord as well so you don't have to answer here.
I also have an identical twin brother, how would that affect the development of the four sides of the mind, we believe he is also an ENFP.
Anyway, that's a lot but
I'm trying to stay charitable 👍😁
Keep typing!
A loyal thought vampire :)
Dope. I will answer all that in an autobiography.
Lol loyal thought vampire 😂
36:54 this one is particularly accurate for me, and INFJ recovering from going through a downward spiral of negativity after jumping to catastrophic conclusions, all of this last weekend. Thank you Chase. Your work is amazing,
Worth the wait. But dang, when I first got the notification, I was so excited. Then I clicked and literally lol-ed, “You bastard! You magnificent bastard!”
Chase,
Just wanted to let you know you did a fantastic job on this video. You’re hard work is and will pay off if you continue this path. With how integrated you are I am hopeful you overcome any obstacle to come your way, even your liver problem ❤️ keep this up man
much appreciated
Never thought I'd be studying this much again xD Finished all ~160 of your videos today finally, it was amazing, I've learned so much and it already helped a lot! Thank you!
Awesome!
Cadence Caddie
Damn that is major dedication.
What's your type? lol I stopped for a while bc of info overload.
@@chasingtheunknown3763 ENFP :)
So Ne nemesis shows a list of potentially dark fates for Ni hero to avoid and it asks Se inferior to to look at what other people are doing so that Ni hero chooses a better future. Am I correct?
yes
@@CSJoseph Thanks for answering.
As someone who has Ne Nemesis, I make correlations to a woman’s relationship with her family (esp. the father), her friends, mannersisms, behavior in some instances and induce that she will become a certain type of person in the future (possibly with me). I realize that I have severe trust issues that I have to work on. I tend to not leave any stone unturned.
Even a tattoo in a woman has to mean something (I think her personality is dangerous). I tend to have rigid rules. INFJ’s aren’t too nice as people think. We also have flaws.
The whole link to storytelling is really true, to me it makes total sense that we love stories , which are basically about these functions and their interplay their conflict and the cognitive transitions that are played out in story beats and moments, people that represent the nemesis or the trickster or the hero, it's definitely why we care about stories so much and always have, it's somehow part of us, even though most people will never understand these functions, it's somehow natural and we get it but under the skin understanding these functions can help us write better stories.
I'm so damn socially paranoid (Ne) sometimes. I think people are rejecting me (Ne Nemesis) because I was rejected a couple times but being aware of this helps a lot. -INTJ
For me it manifests as the fear that someone is watching me or trying to kill me. That's why it takes me 10 minutes to cross the road, I always check behind my back etc. It's ridiculous and sometimes even pointless. I need to fix that issue
Yeah I’m constantly questioning people’s intentions and don’t know if they really are trustworthy and so I create my own fate in that I jeopardize the trust in my end (infj)
You are definitely one of the most interesting speakers on CZcams. Amazing stuff, thank you
So well explained! You are a great teacher.
The fact that the shadow, especialy its primary function which manifests to the hero as its nemesis, is attracted to the ego is an incredible insight that deserves to go down in the history books
One of your best talks. Important understanding of how each type can grow by actively doing things specific to their needs. And the need is always balancing the introverted and extroverted side of the hero function. I especially loved the commentary on mutual understanding ( hearing John Lennon Imagine).
You, sir, are spot on. I am an INTJ ego and I remember my childhood ENTP mischief maker.
37:00 INFJ made me feel this way, I knew she didn't understand me(INTP) and because of that I knew that she would take that misunderstanding and extrapolate it. She made me feel like I was always up to something nefarious.
Aww man...I was so ready for this video. I even had my notebook and pencil out.
6:40 shadow attracted to the ego.
8:50. Interactive forces. Nemesis and Hero.
10:35 transition
11:50 use of nemesis
I feel sad that your videos are so low on views, definitely deserves more!
The lectures are a lot to stomach
It's your tangents that make your lectures so interesting, IMHO. 😊
Let no one say ENTPs don’t have passion! Great information which makes a lot of sense. Thanks!
Awww yeah!! I've been waiting for this!! This schedule system is really helpful!
I get so frustrated with a certain INTJ all the time because he keeps assuming that I have bad intentions.
If I prove him that I don't have bad intentions he just switches to other people and acts, just like you say, based on his assumptions about their intentions. It's so annoying and tiresome and I can't even count how often ive wanted to give up so far but he's still my best friend and I don't know how.
~ENTP btw
i'm an intj and you're literally describing me :'). I guess we just need validation/reassurance at times because we know what we're doing, but we are oftentimes skeptical of others intentions. I think this is because we're always so certain about ourselves but we feel insecure and fearful about other people because we can't foresee their actions, and are scared they would sabotage a plan, relationship, etc. that we foresaw for ourselves.
I'm an INTJ and crazy as it seems I did have one situation where my intentions were being questioned by another INTJ. I don't know what to say other than communicate with him. Somehow or some way, you would have to find out what is the issue from his point of view. Although I am still learning about cognitive functions myself, we are very much responding even though movement oriented. In other words, in most cases, we will only volunteer so much information that is requested. Therefore, you would have to dig down ask as many questions as possible to get to the bottom and find out the root cause.
This may seem odd given that you are an informative type. However, I think this is very much necessary in order for both of you not to talk past one another. After all, even though there may be a general consensus that he believes you have bad intentions. What he believes is "that" very bad intention will probably be different from what you "think" that "he thinks" is that bad intention. Only thereafter will you find a resolution.
Interesting. I like how you really flesh out a topic
Cheez, when Chase started with Ne, I literally coiled back as if being reprimanded to my room lol. Sjoe! His stuff is so informative ... but I always brace myself when he gets to us INFJs. (No - not making assumptions. I will assume you do like INFJs too.) Okay, I need a drink now (kidding) :D
INFJs are dope!
I love all the energy you put in your words ! Very interesting session. Every time you talk about INFJ it’s like firework, truly true, my ears crave to hear it, I'm a big fan ! Thank you !
I didn't expect, after so many years dabbling with typology, that I could still get that stimulated by it. All those videos have been on point, with depth and precision, and utterly dispel the vagueness that weights the theory down. And in this particular video, you are expressing so squarely so many things I knew, but didn't systematise. Thanks for sharing the knowledge. Also, love your style.
It sounds a bit as if the Nemesis was someone cursed (by the demon) deciding to push the hero to the limits, so he can slay the demon!
Scary shit you just said there
Oh the originals reference! Loved it and the lecture. And you've got another fan, my sister.
This makes so much more sense then the ¨Oh when you´re stressed you go ENTJ¨ or whatever. It´s not like your conscious functions leave. It can be something helpful that you can use whenever. Appreciate the clarification/assertion.
As someone who has Ne Nemesis, I make correlations to a woman’s relationship with her family (esp. the father), her friends, mannersisms, behavior in some instances and induce that she will become a certain type of person in the future (possibly with me). I realize that I have severe trust issues that I have to work on. I tend to not leave any stone unturned.
The Ne Nemesis is probably also saying "don't have kids out of wed-lock" or some unplanned pregnancy?
yeah, not recommended.
36:34-
I just realized Chase being more HYPE with this.
Thank you
ahaha! I totally agree with the paranoia of the INFJ. One thing I just noticed recently. 2 of my recent romantic relationships (actually I do not think they really have been real relationships, more like romantic attempts) ended up because my "guts" told me that the girl really did not like me and that she was just being kind respect and I was bothering her so I should leave her alone. I pulled away from her and she after a while came after me wanting a date, which made me realize that I had been irrationally paranoid, and had suffered for no reason before, totally by my fault.
That mini rant you made about INJ’s paranoia and decision making (based on said paranoia) hit me hard as an ENTP. Far out...! #truth!!!!!
ESFJs and ENFJ's need to acknowledge individuality and respect people over social norms. That will help their Fi nemesis. ISFP's and INFP's need to see that social norms can actually help individuals...so quit being a wet blanket or critical of standard social protocols.
Balance, balance is always the key. :)
💯
Yeah i finally found that they r made for the benefit of ppl n not really rules after applying ESTJ to my INFP brain.
@@celebrity_rooster7488 balance also means being able to tiptoe between the two extremes.
But how socials protocols can help people ?
My understanding of myself and my shadow, is in harmony with your assertion of the Shadow's attraction to the ego and its sense of preservation in the form of the Shadow's cognitive functions. The shadow comes through in our blind spots when we aren't conscious of it, or don't at least acknowledge it's presence. Do you want to make your unconscious conscious? It's a whole lot quieter when it feels seen and safe.
Brilliant improvisation on the classical thinking. I'm absorbing all the nuggets of wisdom from various CZcamsrs to make sense of it for myself. Your channel.is very unique. Thanks for the work.
you are most welcome
This is the reason why I mistyped as an ENFP at first! It was when my mental health was at its lowest. It was not apparent to me since I used Ne better than aux Ne users I know and even the average dom Ne users. Looking back, I was not really comfortable using it. The way I used it was motivated by anxiety and keeping up.
Any currency that benefits from "tax-driven money demand," and thus becomes a monopoly, will screw over it's subjects in favor of the issuer. Tis the nature of monopolies.
Tax-driven money demand: "The purpose of taxes is not to finance the government, but create demand for the currency."
No taxes on private currencies.
Guess what? You're amazing.
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Laughing throughout the video when you explained how to use this function. So nemesis function goes like, "Told you so, but you don't want to listen."
Damn this guy knows wtf he's talking about 👍
Ne Nemesis and Si demon is such a curse at times. Understanding it now has helped me a lot.
man please dont yell at the camera, i just wanna learn
i just wnt to be able to melt metal with my voice
C.S. Joseph. that would be cool 😂😂
@@alex.does.comedy Very good point, well made
Se demon, bruh.
Not, I like it. It’s passion
His hair was just the start...
Wow you played Injustice Gods Among Us, nice.
Hey guys, infj here. I really pushed some of my buds to the edge with my paranoia in my fit of depression. But guess what guys? I GOT BETTER AND THEY ALL CAME BACK. And you know what? YOU CAN DO THAT TOO, fellow infj or intj 👌🏾
Great video Chase! The movie Unbreakable is also a very good example.
UR CHANNELS GROWING SO MUCH
No wonder I’m so attracted to Klaus, he’s an ENTP!!! It’s interesting that the Hero and Nemesis can flip.
I must confess after watching your videos I did at one point in time wonder if you were an entj but I'm wrong you're way too damn opinionated so you're definitely ENTP and that's cool though you're being yourself and you have no filter which is cool you're just you know doing what you do and you're good at it man
Charles Benson gift and a curse LOL. Hard to keep to one topic when recording
having never listened to this video in entirety, but having gone through a little bought with my Villain/nemisis function, I can see how this can become an ally. My current view of My Si as an ESTP is: "As your gateway into the unconcious, im gonna make you worried about things that you cannot deal with in the moment, so until you give the appropriate attention and focus on this task, I will remind you that it may fail if you dont get your act together". We will see if I change my view.
edit: guess those paid cognative transition courses paid off.
Lol I get told a lot I am paranoid xD I used to think I was never wrong but I've grown from that... I can be wrong and that's so hard for me to believe, even now! Thanks for the advice :)
Спасибо ! Я выучился на психолога Эниостиля Анатолия Панченко.Сейчас его переняли и назвали по своему - Профайлинг.Вы более "крутой" и прекрасно дополняете мои знания и опыт , для улучшения людей, не такими как я хочу что-бы оно были,а такими какие они есть.
Игорь.
Let me see if I got this right. "Nemesis makes sure the Hero is taking proper action to quell Nemesis worry. For the point of life is to become more than the sum of our parts." So Ne Nemesis strategizes information to give Ni Hero..... Hope I got it right, since I didn't last time.... Good work, Chase; I can't tell you how happy I am to have discovered your channel.
I had to put myself in time out. I was also studying for a test and there was this like blanket of negativity in the chat. Anyway, I was never really one to box anyone in, and that is what I perceived was going on in chat. Anyway, I am old enough to know better. And I shouldn't have been procrastinating from my test (which I just passed, hooray!) You live, you learn, and people become quite predictable (and boring, because the just crapola is never different, or funny, or surprising). I appreciate your efforts in trying to make people take a different path, but sadly, seems they will be stubborn in remaining to pigeon hole themselves, and use their letters to justify their negative behavior, Rome wasn't built in a day, anyhow! Very interesting stuff :)
I’m learning a lot from these lectures. Shit’s getting integrated
Very lovely :) thanks alot. I am trying to learn about myself well :). This infj will master her shadow well.
Thanks, I needed this. It explains a lot of what I've experienced.
you are welcome
Absolutely spectacular video
Love this - I really needed this lesson today! 🙏
I freaking love you!!
Once again thanks for all this content keep it coming!
51:18 - 52:08 is great, you should use it as a promo piece or something.
as a maturing infp i can confirm everything chase says is accurate af
Most entertaining lecture EVER -- THANK YOU CSJ!!! Also, quite enlightening... Much appreciated!
Re-listening, again, and still loving it! This is one of my favorite jigsaw puzzles, which I enjoy hearing you solve. Btw, thank you for helping my Te nemesis & Ti hero to become best buds, because my Fe infant & Fi angel really needed these lectures!