There's Something VERY Wrong With The New Audi SQ7 and SQ8... Watch If You're Thinking of Buying
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- čas přidán 12. 11. 2019
- I've been invited to the launch of Audi's new big sporty SUV - the SQ7. Powered by a clever 4L V8 Diesel with a host of systems designed to improve efficiency and response, this should be a fantastic car... but there's something going on. Let's discuss.
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My 2018 S5 used to lag awfully when you floored it from stop. I used to get caught out at busy roundabouts etc. Dealer flashed a gearbox update which solved the issue for me.
Which dealer
What model plz
The issue is that the engine noise through the speakers doesn't match the acceleration of the car hence you feel there's something wrong but can't quite put your finger on it.
Yup, 'sounds great' because you can make it sound like anything.
Seen many stories of the exhaust speakers rotting out, and then you have no sound and no power.
Must admit I think this was one of your best to watch reviews to-date. Liked the two-way conversational tone and light banter while still going into details and each others opinions.... And the car? Couldn't give a rat's arse about such a tech-laden monstrosity tbh!
Yup, I would buy any diesel. Love diesel-powered lumps. Want a Q7 V12 diesel. Or a V8 RR sport.
Q7 v12 brake disc's with pads 25k euro price. Parts alone.
@@RK1FX same option on the RS6- same brakes 😎💿💰🇩🇪
I'd rather have 1 SQ8 than 3 Ford Explorers 🤷♂️
We’ve got the most efficient engines to date, but the cars weigh the same as a small planet, so any savings are moot. They also handle like bathtubs.
and now they're diesel aswell! yay!
*barfs*
@@diogovieira3362 diesel torque cant even be compared with petrol
@@mladenbro8435 not even today.
Some guy sued the audi dealer in Lithuania because he described similar issues and wasn't warned in advance/couldn't test drive it without buying the car, he also blamed the stricter regulation tests and that he suspected it had something to do with lowering the emissions as much as possible.
Your channel is probably one of the best car channels around, I like listening to it as a sort of podcast while working. I like the more “normal” cars like this or smaller vs super cars personally but hope you continue to make videos for a long time and I’ll keep watching!
This is gonna be your first and last car launch invitation! 😂
Well, it wasn't my first lol
JayEmm on Cars hopefully it’s your last then.
@@CraigDurkee afraid not
Now that’s what I like the banter and discussion 👍😎 Keep up the great work
Wow the weather in Surrey brightened up quickly, and it got very mountainous, as it does.
I drive a standard Q7 and in 35k miles it has not once felt too large for the road. You cannot just jump in a car and expect to feel at one with it, that takes a little time so the size comments are ridiculous, there are much wider cars on sale. As for it not feeling fast, like most Audi’s it will be faster than the published numbers but the lag is big concern and might stop me from buying one so a useful if somewhat biased review.
Test drive you will be impressed
Great review, you two work well together:)
This is easily one of the best car review channels on youtube, totally deserves more attention. The good, honest, relaxed kind of commentary that I enjoy with good coverage.
As for Audi's my dad owned an Audi 5000 and he has hated the brand ever since lol.
Oh come one, they are talking 90% of time why the car is not pulling, how is that a review. EVERYTHING else about the car is "it's ok or it's decent", wow such indepth
I would definitely continue to buy and drive a diesel. It's the only realistic and reliable form of transport at the moment.
David Norman People are saying diesel is on the way out, so why are Audi using diesel engines in their new models? Personally, I have no problem with diesels, in fact I wish I’d gone for one in my new Q3, rather than the 35tfsi which is underpowered in this car.
@@georgewhiteford9869 Manufacturers are still using them because there's still a marker for them as much as governments are trying to make as much money as possible to phase them out. Audi know it's still the only real realistic form of engine that is the best of all world's. They've probably put so much money into development that it would be too costly to just ditch them. Company car drivers still drive diesel
George Whiteford Maybe should have got the 45tfsi
I drive a 2.0TDI 2019 Audi A6 and I can get nearly 800 miles to 55 litres of fuel (think that is around 1200km??) no petrol or hybrid car can deliver that with the 7.6 seconds to 60MPH, and the amount of torque the engine produces, for that efficiency, and no electric car can offer any of this for the price I paid for mine, so diesel is here to stay for at least another 15 years.
I hate these things and massive SUV's in general. They are a menace in inner-city Melbourne, driven by white-knuckled, terrified people with minimal car control and abysmal spatial awareness.
They're getting bigger too, it's like an arms race of who can have the tallest, widest boat - which they absolutely need so they can see over each other. But if you're in a normal hatchback or sedan, you have no visibility at all. They're heavy, expensive and inefficient. What was wrong with a good estate or sedan for families?
Q7s are terrifyingly large, and you guys have the widest lanes in the country! Yikes.
Some people need more than 5 seats.
TriHard Cx they should learn about contraception 😂
man ! I agree with you. Had the new a7 . When you put the foot down. The ECU is doing something to make sure the emission is met!
If you guys have more than 3 children, 2 of whom are still in isofix seats then you wouldnt take such a dim view of the Q7. Not a likeable car, I agree, but the most comfortable/practical family car it most definately is. Ive actually got rid of my RS6 because of this. Just not big enough to fit them all in. Seeing a few comments that everyone is a twat who buys one. Im a proper petrol head but family needs come first. People who make sweeping generalisations are mostly twats themselves.
In fact! Q7 is the only premium SUV I know of that has 3 separate seats with dedicated isofix points on each seat. If you don't want a minivan Q7 is the only option. GLS, X7, XC90 none has 3 isofix on the back seat.
@@taschenonkel exactly.
You’d need to be clinically insane to pay 70k for that let alone 100k
Malcolm R Monaghan
Doesn’t matter,
How many people are going to want to drop over 1k a month on the shi@ heap
Malcolm R Monaghan
😂👍
People love crap like this
mr house
Not so sure, at 40k - 50k: 2k deposit monthly’s of £399 - £450 I’d say they might but not at this level
That will fail
@@1970boggy that's what's very wrong with these cars. The price tag 😂. Only the rich well off will afford these. Did see a white SQ7 outside an estate agent
Love this review! Shared it with my local dealer up in Yorkshire. Test drive the SQ8 and was shocked my v8 diesel Range Rover picks up quicker initially even tho it’s got a lot less BHP & torque!
I will buy diesel engines for as long as i can
because you’re a farmer
@@SK-vc4nh vio
*:Would you buy Diesel again?*
Evidence would suggest, yes. Used Diesel cars also on average sell for more than their equivalent Petrol counter-parts!
Please test drive the BMW X5 or 7 M50d for powertrain comparison with the SQ7. Also a high performance diesel
You might not like those touch screens but the whole point is for the driver to not to use them but for the passengers audi’s cockpit can be fully adjustable so you can do everything you need on it
I've a 2.0 TDI 2020 model year A6, 200BHP and I love it I'd buy diesel again and again, until electric cars are a genuine alternative.
Me too.
i recently upgraded my RS6 Perfomance to an SQ8 and i can genrally say that its a solid car... it looks alot more sporty than the SQ7 and its a fully raw experience... no noise through speakers or anything... i think you need to do an updated reveiw on the 2021 SQ8 TFSI if you want to experience it properly.
EGR off, DPF off, remap, shame some sports cars :)
Until you reach a corner.
@@EvoraGT430 except on track they actually achieve sport car performance
@@jh5kl With their weight? you're joking
@@inspirice9844 nah, you need to see what they do on Nurburg ... They are proper quick around corners. Search it on CZcams. And then there is the RSQ8
Good video, refreshing as ever to see and hear great journalism. I think I would be more interested in the Touareg with this engine, style wise it’s just a bit more subtle and classy than the Audi.
I think these have been timed at 0-62 in 4.6. When you're moving children and gear they make a lot of sense. Real world 35mpg can be achieved, potentially 600 miles on a tank.
Wonder if it could be sorted with a remap
I really enjoyed this video. Could you bring another James in the future?
I'll see what I can do. Did you see our R8 video?
@@JayEmmOnCars No I haven't. I'll watch it tonight. Bdw, salutes from a Spanish viewer
You ought to drive a 1.3 Astra CDTi. THAT thing has turbo lag.
My money is on someone from Audi claiming, "the car was in Running mode and it was preserving the transmission" until so many miles had been covered
My money's on VAG knowing that the customer wouldn't notice or care. Customers who do care can choose another of their cars.
This is the first review I seen saying this car has turbo lag, most seem to praise the response.
If they're talking about the old version of the car, I believe it is very different
I like this. Two mates taking a car out for a test drive. A giggle just listening to them :-)
Glad you enjoyed the format
Great review, love both of you together. If this was £50k I'd still purchase a Jeep Trackhawk instead.
I bought an SQ7 after watching this video. I wasn't able to drive it first because of the Covid situation. I think it's a very handy car - I've covered 6000 miles in the 5 weeks I've had it driving between the midlands and Scottish highlands. I don't really feel this delay/lag issue, not in mine anyway, ir maybe it's just me. Now it's had an oil change I've thoroughly tested it on some suitable highland roads. It's very impressive. The only thing I do detect is there is boost from the supercharger, and then extra boost when the turbos kick in. So, in that sense there is a sort of lag.
There is no supercharger
@@JayEmmOnCars there is, the electrically driven one on the 48V system
That one drives a compressor which is supposed to eliminate turbo lag. It doesnt work.
I had the first gen of the SQ7. It was fine when running in, but became more laggy as time went on. After about 3 years it was as more noticeable. I live in Scotland and drive to England often so the motorway drives were seamless. I know drive a BMW X7.
He should've driven the pre-facelift SQ7. This thing was a beast. But because of emissions this car isn't as quick as before. How do i know? Because I've driven both
Software issued was sorted in the Bentayga that I test drove.
How does this compare to the original SQ7? The reviews I’ve seen for that one suggest it doesn’t suffer from the lag you are describing here.
I can tell you.... I own the previous model SQ7 - exactly the same as this one below. Utterly no turbo lag so I have no idea what these lads are talking about. Watch this
czcams.com/video/QnDdmUqQ7m8/video.html
9:43 is this the North Downs between Godalming and Dorking? I used to cycle around there, looks more spectacular than I remember...
"filmed on location" :D
The best quote ever ever ever "there are no good driving roads in Surrey"
I hate living in Surrey purely because I love driving. A combination of: Traffic, more traffic, road works, pot holes, really bad drivers, boring roads, boring scenery, traffic and traffic.
Could it be the adaptive drivetrain that vehicles have had for quite some time now?
So when you first get in and start driving, it’s learning how heavy-footed the driver is that trip, traffic conditions, steering inputs, braking inputs, and therefore since you’re also in Surrey, and the vehicle knows that too BTW....... It's keeping you, and potentially others in that area safer. Because how awful would it be for VAG if there was an accident in Surrey involving Audi's brand-new SQ7, at their launch event, plastered all across the various media sites?
Just a thought.
Drove it, you will love this car!
How wrong can you be.
I've got the previous SQ7..... Were you kidding with this review? (turbo lag???,handles like a barge???). I love mine and test drove anything comparable before I bought it? The 0-100kph figure is right. 900Nm is available wayyyy down low. I'm putting this interview down to queer poms.... here's a better review (same as mine)....
czcams.com/video/QnDdmUqQ7m8/video.html
Trust me, the issues in this were not overplayed at all, certainly not with regards to turbo lag. Big issue with lot of cars coming out in Europe
I must admit I was really looking forward to getting the SQ8 as my 4.4v8 diesel Range Rover replacement as it’s hot a similar engine but didn’t need all the space. I test drive the sq8 and pulled out worried as it didn’t pick up as quick as my 339hp Range Rover!! Once the power hit, it seemed quick but the window of power seemed really narrow near the top end... I mentioned this at the garage and they wanted a deposit to them check the car... I walked away!
Main point of purchasing this car is the 7 seats
And still wanting a fast vehicle
There's very few fast 7seaters this might be it
Others have smaller third row seats
Mercedes and BMW addressed the low torque qt low rpm problems by making the cars a mild hybrid. VAG went the wrong way, technologically, again. Dieselgate 2 perhaps?
The biggest issue with Audis is the lack of spec as standard, like you mention doesn’t even have memory seats as standard on a £75k car! Makes finding a good used one harder as so few spec things like lane change assist etc.
The thing with dieselgate... All the manufacturers have done it. Else they couldn't compete with one another.
I feel the same with the NCAP crash tests.. Its a completely defined test, hit x block at y speed with x offset etc. You can build a frame that does this very well, but hit 10cm further to one side, and it can be very crappy.
Now that was an enjoyable vid'. It's refreshing to hear a couple of geezers telling things how they actually are. There's too much fawning done toward car companies by journos because (I suppose) they're scared of not being invited back. Good work. :)
It’s the gearbox boys. All diesel Audi’s with that gearbox are slow to react.
It's not the gearbox
It's not the gearbox as it has been proven on other WLTP approved VAG diesels that don't have this ZF 8HP which still are slow to react from a standstill. These new WTLP approved diesels appear to have a certain and incredibly ridiculous software limit on engine power and throttle response to pass aforementioned WTLP requirements. Most customers report a 2 second "dead zone" while accelerating from a standstill and this is not even limited to diesels in the European region. American owners report a "dead zone" of 2,3 or even 4 seconds in their petrol powered Q8s accelerating after they crawl to a stop or slow down to 1-10 km/h during which the engine shuts down and activates it's start/stop mode.
Slow reactivity seems to be a shared problem of the last generation of V6 and V8 TDI.
@@BARATTI99 If that was slow image how bad it is now... Unbearable
Surrey has changed a lot since I lived there.
Tad Ka everyone seems miserable and uptight
Ed McCarthy welcome to Britain
Mmmm... me too. Lot more mountainous than I remembered.
The schematic of the car near the start of the video - you see those ball-like things on the exhaust? They are 'transducers' AKA speakers... in the exhaust... making a fake rumble noise.
Needs a remap!
I honestly wouldn't mind a diesel I like the effortless torque and you get decent economy I am now dailing a Rover 75 v6 and that 2.5 petrol v6 albeit sounds wonderful it drinks more than the behemoth of a car this SQ7 is. But if I ever was on the market for an SUV it would the Range Rover wouldn't look any further
1:07 the car of the future photobombed the shot
KY69 - lol. A welcome reminder I have matured none since 13!
Most people buy a crossover or SUV type thing because they don’t want to scrape their arse along the floor all day, most normal cars are utterly miserable in the back, plus the raised driving position makes driving in traffic much easier, plus you feel safer, you may not be, but that’s why people buy them. This end of the market is however all about lording it over everyone else and feeling superior.
Exige 430 owner, wasn’t he? Did we ever get an update on that ownership experience? I don’t think so.
He still has one, and an update will happen sometime I have just been crazy busy
How can you possibly get similar/worse milliage then a 6.0 V12 petrol in a turbo diesel V8?
Maybe because the car weighs the same as a small planet?
You are driving and testing in this video an audi q8 and you titled the video q7?
I want a review of the q7 pls
I am driving an SQ7. We used some exterior shots of SQ8. Underneath they are the same
how does it use that much fuel? my 18 ton truck does that empty!
I’m sure J knows that all those lovely V8 burbles are actually essentially an MP3 being played to the speakers of the car, ABT actually sell software as an upload to the ECU to emulate American muscle cars or any other car for that matter that comes comes out of the speakers in the exhaust, I can’t even come up with the words to explain how appalled I am that AUDI thought this was a good idea, I’ve had two new shape S8 V8 turbo petrols that thrilled me endlessly but this is just the beginning of the end. Come on AUDI, it’s not an S product,... this S brand has lost its way
I hope you’re right, range Rover with the SVR got it spot-on and frankly this is an embarrassment, I love Audi but this is just complete BS, that’s why I’m driving an M car now, although not many V8’s are left there either, but twin turbo V6 petrol is better than this nonsense
I think they use a "speaker" type of set-up to interfere with the pressure wave frequency in the mufflers as well, beacuse they actually sound bloody good from the outside as well
@@ryancaugust Actually, if you've ever had one of these on a hoist, you see it is a round resonator at the rear of both of the exhausts with a speaker-like diaphragm that amplifies the sound... It gets switched on an off via the DriveSelect
@Jack njones SQ7 competes with X7 M50d, not M50i.
Edit: actually, it competes with the X5 M50d, not with the X7.
Just had a quick look at what one of these things would cost in the Netherlands.. Just shy of 140000gbp. No wonder we have less of the nice specced cars here.
Nice review, re diesel it's not so much I wouldn't buy another on the basis of not liking them I like diesels for a certain job, what worries me is that government(s) will continue to penalise even new ones with latest tech and slowly start putting the price of diesel fuel up.
I ended up skipping through a bit of this video - did they end up pin pointing what exactly was "very wrong" with the vehicle. A good friend of mine has one, and it definitely pulls all the performance numbers that Audi claims (absolutely hoses his old X5 50M). If seat of the pants feel feel, the fact a large comfortable, practical SUV doesnt "feel" as fast as it is actually going, then perhaps you should buy a 1990's Honda Integra that feels like its going twice as fast as it actually is?
Yes we do. Criminal amount of turbo lag, which I suspect is introduced with the 2019 model
Why are there so many dislikes on this video ? I thought it was a brilliant review
Because it is designed to overwhelm and is arrogant - exhibitionist, elitest and trying to impress in every sentence uttered. Like we know more and then deliver shallow overused observations that are not necessarily accurate.
@@Bobwollaton How is this video arrogant, exhibitionist and elitist ?
Great video guys hope you do more!
I think the problem is that todays cars are to massiv, heavy and to perfect. You just can‘t feel what is going on. Take a 90is car with maybe 1200 kilos and 150 or 200 hp. These cars made real fun to drive. I say back to the roots!
Can only imagine the absolute tedium of being employed in the Audi exterior design department - must be like working for Indesit, Hotpoint or Smegg churning out fridges or washing machines. They’re not cars they’re packaging. Same story with most of these things.
I seen one of ure video u were saying 35 mpg on same car lol
Yep, that's the benefit of having the car for a week versus an hour
Yep, the thing that is very wrong with both of them ... is that I have neither of them in my garage!
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Hey Jay, love the vid! Glad we can count on you for telling it how it really is. Small note, not completely sure if true: In the University of Nijmegen I've picked up that, in combustion engines, it's basically a trade-off between Mileage and Emissions. Meaning, higher mileage (lower consumption) in a given engine will mean an increase in greenhouse emissions. I've also picked up, from a worker at a large oil-company, that we still have enough fossil fuels for hundreds of years to come.
Not sure of those two statements are true, but I do think they are. So, concluding: the SQ7 consumes alot of fuel, to keep emissions down, the latter seeming to be a real problem.
I love cars with all my heart and soul but (and therefore?) I would rather walk than drive one of these pathetic pretend-elegant, pretend-sporty, pretend offroad lumps.
John Mitchell Nah. She’s defo got a second-gen Beetle with the vase on the dash.
Seriously doubt it. By any quantifiable measure riding in one of these would be a hell of a lot more comfortable than walking.
I love cars too, proper petrol head. Hate SUVs but when you have 3 or more kids cars like this are a no brainer, purely for the utility and space. Never thought id see the day but im getting one. Only car that can have 7 seats up and room for double buggy. My RS6 wasnt big enough sadly. Q8 is utterly pointless I agree but not Q7.
Ok boomer
So a SQ8 with 900 NM does not cut it :)
The instant torque in this car was the main selling point for me, I drove the Bentayga V8 and was blown away by how it just teleported down the road
Just by a prefacelift variant...
Honza Štěpán what if you don’t want the pre facelift and you like the new features...?
Those hills and mountains don't look like any part of Surrey I've ever been to...
Just outside Guildford. Honest.
TIT I have a SQ7 vort and it is great
Nice what mpg you get on there lol these guys looks like giving wrong details , as i am aware car is powerfull
Would rather save money and buy a smaller BMW X5. 3.0D, took a test drive in one and it was quick enough and just about the right size for my needs
I have actually covered quite a few miles in the new SQ8, and I strongly agree with your criticism of the car. the acceleration is honestly terrible - a 2013 SQ5 TDI with 313 hp feels substantially faster. it is as if the car deliberately accelerates as 'gently' and lazily as possible.
however it is a great autobahn cruiser. turn on lane assist and cruise control in the comfort setting and it literally drives like a cruise ship. getting it up to speed is extremely effortless and the car is very luxurious. it just has nothing even remotely sporty about it...
How is 0-100kph in 4.8 seconds lazy for such a heavy car and a 0-70kph time faster than a Range Rover SVR?
@@chrisdabom
well it's the way the acceleration feels, the gearbox makes it pretty much impossible for you to give the car more than 3000 rpm (even in dynamic mode!), and when you actually try to floor it, nothing happens until you look down and see youre about to lose your license.
@@john2357 Something is wrong with that one you drove. Sounds buggered. Our dealership got our first facelift SQ7 (in NZ) today and it gets above 3000 rpm no dramas... When our SQ7 it was in transport mode, before our techs took it out during its PDI, it stopped at 3200rpm too...
@@chrisdabom
thats actually seems to explain it then, youre probably right man, my bad!
100grand?? That's brand new RS6 money. Why would you want this instead?
If you have more than 3 kids....Had an RS6 now sold for new Q7.
Engine sound fills shed from speakers,it’s nice when you enjoying rubber dolls too!🤣
11:17 - The car you should buy. Of course I'd buy a diesel, in my 20's now and still got my first car and I still use it daily, 1.9 TDI Polo. Not a single problem, extreme longevity, 50 MPG no matter how you drive it and plenty of pull for a little car
How many people would have the £ for this ? I thought the suv / 4 by 4 are not meant to be racers and fast
Here in NZ we sell so many SQ7s it just isnt funny!
Hmm never liked the SUV stuff do absolutely agree the V12 was ludicrous and yees I’d have one for the sheer novelty. I don’t the swift is under threat from this.
Please let me know some of your favourite roads north of london (where I live)
+ 1
The gearbox issue is not specific to this car, its with all the Audi autos whether its 7-speed Stronic or 8 Speed ZF. The software for the transmission is not as sophisticated as you get from other germans. BMW was way ahead in adapting ZF box they really nailed the software for it. Not sure why Audi can't nail down the seamless change you can get with the transmission. I have an A5 and hate the transmission especially with the lovely 3-litre v6 buttery smooth engine. it's a shame.
It's not a gearbox problem
100 grand is stupid money for four rings, a dark cabin and huge lag that somebody should've ironed out prior to release.
If I had to have an off roader I think I'd still prefer a Niva.
why buy a wagon on stilts? i dont get it
People buy SUVs for only 3 reasons:
1 - Serious off-roading
2 - Their hips have given up and they can't get into a lower car.
3 - They're a wanker
1 is a valid reason to buy a Land Cruiser (/Defender/Jimny/etc). 2 is a valid reason to buy a Kadgar (because that's a better badge than "cashcow") and 3 is a valid reason to punch them in the face. SQ7 drivers will all be number 3.
Because you don’t like scraping your arse along the floor, raised cars are more relaxing in traffic as you get better visibility, plus there’s a perseived caché to owning a large luxury SUVs.
@@ApothecaryTerry Or
4. They just want a High driving position and don't care about agility so they get a suv.
Perceived cache = want people to see them driving a fancy car more than they want an actual good car = number 3.
High driving position and don't care about agility...why do they want the high driving position? I'm going with number 3.
@@ApothecaryTerry some of us live in countries with real winters. for decades for us owning bmw's mercs and audis ment that you either had to store it over the winter or to be ready to regulary have real troubles using the thing. i've driven 3 5 and 7 series along with e c and s classes through the winters so i talk with experience there. when the high end SUV thing became a thing for us it ment that we could enjoy those cars in all conditions. yes they are no defenders or wranglers. but they are enough. yeah i would not own one if i lived in london. but millions of people dont.
another thing is that many people just like driving suv's, they like how they drive, they like how practical they are.
lol maybe you guys are trying too hard to dislike the car..
Absolutely and is embarrassingly obvious. As if they were paid to do that.
It's a shame that the people with money have zero taste. This segment needs to die..... fast. There are no benefits to having one of these over a normal car
I'd rather have the new Touareg tbh can't justify the extra cost of the sq7
So, like me, you're too poor to pay for it? My RS5 is pretty cool but, for the family, I would much rather this over a Touareg if money wasnt an object... Plus 7 seats too!
Would not buy a diesel. Would lease one. Also an RR Sport SVR is the same cost as this
When did Europeans become so sceptical about diesels? I am not saying they are better than petrols, but we can atleast admit they are a good alternative to petrol engines. Diesels became a big thing in Europe due to oil prices and regulations long time ago. Since then, we became aware of its good and bad sides. They are decent engines that are efficient, torquey and can be very powerful.
I have A4 2017 3l V6 quattro that spends 6.5 l in avg on a 600 km highway trip with avg. speed of 130 km/h. Get that with a petrol.
Can I just point out how this interior, with all its presently interesting electric screens for everything, will age terribly as technology continuously improves. While a boggo dacia will not age as much because of a relative lack of focus on tech
Like most VAG products, fantastic designs, high PERCEIVED quality but low cost engineering and cost cutting with suppliers, sub par engines, too much in group recycling and dreadfull reliability. Along with Merc (S Class apart) they've managed in the last 15 yrs to give the German car industry a very bad reputation...
It is very clear that what is wrong here is the lack of instant torque, any one silly enough to buy one of these rather than the E-Tron will loose shed loads of their money, diesel is dead!
I'll find out soon. Got an E Tron next
Does anyone know if the new generation Mercedes CLA(c118) also fake engine noise through the speakers?
Just wait until its two year old and get for a third of the price! Let some other poor sap take the hit! Does this have the ZF 8 speed? As my A8 3.0 diesel did and there was always a bit of a lag when accelerating then the sudden thud of power. I'd 100% buy another diesel the MPG cant be beat, you know my A8 was astonishing for range.
There's some lag to this but it's still very fast. It just doesn't feel as responsive as the old model because the new engine management software introduces some lag when you push the throttle but it's more comfortable in every way.