Who's got a wide angle in the closet?! Subscribe & hit that 🔔(new video Mo&Thu)! 👉 bit.ly/PierreTLambert & instagram.com/pierretlambert. 👉 Learn how I became a photographer while working full time: goo.gl/NyT83e ps: music from goo.gl/9F7xqR, soundcloud.com/dogjames & soundcloud.com/randuski (thank you!)
shooting wide angle for portraits is amazing, ive seen portraits shot on wide angle and they honestly look incredible, thats why im here learning about them
Wide angle lenses (28mm or wider) have such a great depth of field, if you set the lens at f5.6 - f8 you can usually set the manual focus at around 2 metres and everything is going to be sharp!
Thanks for this! I just watched my pictures of France and I was a bit disappointed with the results from my 14mm lens because of the distortion which I did not apply correctly. But hey... that is learning. Got a few cool shots with it.
Matti Solanto had an interesting vlog called "Wide Portraits -Make Distortion Work For You" which made interesting points about wide angle portraits. To be fair, he used 24mm on full frame, and your definition for wide angle was 'below 24mm on full frame' so there is no real contradiction here. I like wide angle a lot, but I see two very distinct classes for wide angle: Rectilinear (where they pull the bend out of straight lines) and fisheye, where everything maps to a circle. Both kinds of wide angle lenses distort, but the fisheye is more like a funhouse mirror. I do think that your video is full of good advice and I have recently subscribed with full notifications. BTW, I love your enthusiasm.
Came across this video because I've just bought the Sigma 10-20mm f3.5 for my crop-sensor Nikon and now searching for guidance and inspiration. Love your enthusiasm and your engagement and subscribed to your channel for more!
Great video explaining this ! The longer I shoot the more I tend to get irritated with distortion and I rarely shoot on a length less than 50mm anymore. I wish there was such thing as wide angle with no distortion but it doesn’t exist.
only shoot landscapes with my wide-angle I don't shoot many portraits and just started street photography and use the prime lens that i just recently purchased and an 18 to 55 mm zoom lens if there is a better one to shoot I'm all ears
I‘m actually thinking about getting the 12-24mm f4 next but the drawback for me is that it‘s probably not performing too well for concert photography and I‘d have to buy a filter system for it, which makes it kinda unpractical for run and gun shootings.
I just got my first ultra wide lens yesterday. It’s a Tamron 11-18mm on my Nikon D7100. Got a hilarious very close up pic of the cat’s curiosity which nearly killed ME from laughing so much 😂😂😂.
I just got the Sigma 16mm f1.4 for my crop sensor Sony. So far I've been shooting more with the SEL50f18, but I'm really looking forward to do some creative portraits like what you just showed on this video. I like that big head - small body look you did on here. BTW your IG is bad ass!
Heya! Thanks a lot for the nice words! haha yeah you get cool effects! Oh at 1.4 it's going to be really fun!! This episode should be helpful for wide angle too: czcams.com/video/1bT5BRR5k_U/video.html See you in the next episode ;)
Hello Pierre, I would like to see what you could have done in the city with lead-in lines and deliberate abstract scenes of architecture. This could be very creative and much fun!
Thanks for the good tips, will come on handy, as I’m a novice, have an a6000, and just got two days ago a sigma 16mm, playing with it this weekend. Always great videos!!!
Great video Pierre! Bought a 15-30mm hoping to shoot a huge wedding party. I took few shots before and wow! I realize I won’t be using this lenses for that, however, will be using for landscape and star trails. Great tips ! ✌🏻
@@Pierretlambert i want to buy 2 lens for my a6500. 1 - 18-105 f4, and i dont know what about second, sigma 16 1.4, sigma 30 1.4 or rokinon 12 f2.0. I'm going to go to Europe for a few months, and I don’t know which one to choose. I want to take a lot of pictures, but the video is probably more important to me. HELP please:) I tend to think that all of them are needed sooner or later. But at the moment sigma 16 1.4 seems to me a good choice. Thank you!
Is it necessary to use a tripod when shooting wide. When I bought mine that was the advice I was given? This video encouraging me to use it. Thank you.
To be accurate, a wide angle lens sees more or wider than a human’s eye. A telephoto lens sees less or narrower than a human eye. With a “full frame or 35mm film sized sensor”, a 50mm lens sees approximately the same as a human eye. That’s why a 50mm lens was always known as a “standard” lens. So anything less than 50mm is wide angle, anything more is telephoto. A 28-70mm lens is an excellent “standard” zoom that ranges from slightly wide to slightly telephoto. What he is talking about here with less than 28mm is “ultra wide”, and will indeed give a lot of distortion with close subjects. Always bear in mind that this is for a 24x36mm sensor. With a Canon APS-C sensor, which has a 1.6x crop factor, the lens has to be wider. That makes an aps-c “standard” lens approximately 31mm.
Well done. Good points and auto mirror analog - some resemble fish-eye lenses. Trite but true - a good way to learn about a given focal length lens is to use it exclusively for a good while (e.g., several weeks of frequent use). I find that 24mm (FF equivalent.) w/a is helpful for close-in street photography shooting from waist level. BTW, the old metric is that anything below a 50mm (FF equivalent and approximate match for human eye field of view) is considered wide.
Pierre T. Lambert My goto lens is a 24-80 ff equivalent zoom, so the wide angle is there if and when needed - I’ll mount the 24mm ff equiv prime when I know the shooting session will be close-in/crowded venue and a wider aperture is an asset. BTW, let me suggest a future vid for your next country venue - light painting. Scenic or exotic subjects at dusk or night might be a good adjunct for light painting effects, unless I missed a prior vid you already did on this subject. Keep up the good work.
Ok, so let’s get factually correct, Talking about wide angle lenses: A wide angle lens is any lens that sees anything in a smaller perspective than the human eye; in the case of a full frame sensored camera, that is anything less than 50mm. A 35 mm lens could be termed “wide”, a 28mm wide enough for most landscape photography. 24mm is very wide, and wider than that is “ultra wide angle”. The last fifteen years has seen a lot of really good quality ultra wide angle lenses, that are a lot of fun to use. If you have an aps sensor in your camera, like a Canon EOS 700 for example, anything wider than about 32mm is wide, less than 15mm is extreme wide! Have fun with your photography, and don’t be afraid to experiment! #shoottheadventure
I recently purchased one, the one issue im finding is my one the corners are wiped out and it creates a black circle around my image can you help me on how to resolve this issue, btw it came with a macro lens as well so its 2 in 1
Tough choice - do you need the extra focal length or not? that's the big ? ps: new video just dropped! czcams.com/video/VitgJyYaMTo/video.html - Enjoy!
Another great video Pierre! Just wondering if you feel the 16-35 GM 2.8 is worth the extra cost over the f4 version. I'm shooting with an A7RIII and will be using it for real estate (work) and landscapes (play). Thanks!
Hey! Thanks :) Great question. I needed the 2.8 for shallower DOF in people shots and night scapes. Otherwise the 4 would have been great. The ISO being so good no need to justify the 2.8 as much as before if you're not looking for shallow dof. Maybe the f/4 is good enough imho. Then add a prime with low aperture if you ever need :) Happy Friday!
Glad the camera's fresh as a daisy after the clean. I dropped my 24-70 onto the steel deck of a ship during a recent trip to Iceland. Luckily it's a monster lens and only required a repair and readjust but it came back silky smooth. I hadn't realised that a few trips in hot weather 35-40degC had really dried out the lubricants. Sometimes there's a small upside to the downside or repairs ;-)
Ouch!! Damn glad for you it wasn't worse than that!! Oh did it dry it out too? Gotta be careful for my next trip :) Happy Friday, see you in the next episode!
Luckily despite it being very rough the deck was dry but the filter on the lens and the filter ring took most of the impact but messed up the lens alignment. Luckily the Nikon f2.8 whilst a few hundred £ to repair it is now serviced and silky smooth. And only 5 days in the workshop. Never damaged anything before and luckily I had a wide angle lens as a spare so still managed to keep shooting ;-)
Oh wow tough choice! Will you shoot super wide linke milkyway for vlogs ?Here's a new video on lenses actually! Oczcams.com/video/s7qiJUqGAQQ/video.html Enjoy!!
Pierre T. Lambert Pierre T. Lambert it is at 8:09 the not moving is sometimes not that easy though :) depending on the shutter speed. But if u set it on 10 seconds it just never gets perfect. Thanks for answering me so fast!!
Don't give advice about portraits.. Is obviously not your thing. And using wide angle for specific styles of portraits is actually fantastic to add dynamism and drama.
Who's got a wide angle in the closet?!
Subscribe & hit that 🔔(new video Mo&Thu)! 👉 bit.ly/PierreTLambert & instagram.com/pierretlambert.
👉 Learn how I became a photographer while working full time: goo.gl/NyT83e
ps: music from goo.gl/9F7xqR, soundcloud.com/dogjames & soundcloud.com/randuski (thank you!)
shooting wide angle for portraits is amazing, ive seen portraits shot on wide angle and they honestly look incredible, thats why im here learning about them
The rebel in me says "I'll use an wide angle lens for portrait if i want, even though it will look weird, i bet you can make it look good/artistic" :)
Wide angle lenses (28mm or wider) have such a great depth of field, if you set the lens at f5.6 - f8 you can usually set the manual focus at around 2 metres and everything is going to be sharp!
True!!! :)
Thanks for this! I just watched my pictures of France and I was a bit disappointed with the results from my 14mm lens because of the distortion which I did not apply correctly. But hey... that is learning. Got a few cool shots with it.
Hey Dennis! Yes 14mm is tricky to use! You can correct it in lightroom too. Hope you had fun in France!
Happy Friday!
i just bought an 11mm 2.8 fisheye. Which is distortion on purpose and it makes for some creative looking shots
Matti Solanto had an interesting vlog called "Wide Portraits -Make Distortion Work For You" which made interesting points about wide angle portraits. To be fair, he used 24mm on full frame, and your definition for wide angle was 'below 24mm on full frame' so there is no real contradiction here. I like wide angle a lot, but I see two very distinct classes for wide angle: Rectilinear (where they pull the bend out of straight lines) and fisheye, where everything maps to a circle. Both kinds of wide angle lenses distort, but the fisheye is more like a funhouse mirror. I do think that your video is full of good advice and I have recently subscribed with full notifications. BTW, I love your enthusiasm.
Came across this video because I've just bought the Sigma 10-20mm f3.5 for my crop-sensor Nikon and now searching for guidance and inspiration. Love your enthusiasm and your engagement and subscribed to your channel for more!
distortion is a form of art not necessarily a problem. we can't have everything
I had a wideangle 12-24mm zoom DX lens just collecting dust (just using my kit lens 18-140mm) but now I am looking forward to using this! Thanks...
This was super helpful and informative. Thanks man!
COMMENT NUMBER TWO:
I love the Windy City landmarks and images here in your video: I am born and raised in Chi-town! :)
Thank you
Great video explaining this ! The longer I shoot the more I tend to get irritated with distortion and I rarely shoot on a length less than 50mm anymore. I wish there was such thing as wide angle with no distortion but it doesn’t exist.
Great explanations!!! I am getting back to artistic photography and you explain some complex situations logically.
this is very detailed explanation! well done!
Welcome to Chicago. I just purchased my first wide angle lens. Thank you for sharing this great content.
Good job 👍 sir...
Love all the Chicago shots!
only shoot landscapes with my wide-angle I don't shoot many portraits and just started street photography and use the prime lens that i just recently purchased and an 18 to 55 mm zoom lens if there is a better one to shoot I'm all ears
I‘m actually thinking about getting the 12-24mm f4 next but the drawback for me is that it‘s probably not performing too well for concert photography and I‘d have to buy a filter system for it, which makes it kinda unpractical for run and gun shootings.
Hey Marc! Yes for concert it's tricky - unless you're on the stage!
Happy Friday, see you in the next episode!
But are you talking about the DX for Nikon? If so get it, is one of the best lenses you can get.
OBJECTS IN THE MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR.
Haha thanks immune didn’t sound right 😆
Fantastic video! Just recommended it to a friend who's looking for help with smartphone photography!
Thanks for sharing. really practical!
I just got my first ultra wide lens yesterday. It’s a Tamron 11-18mm on my Nikon D7100. Got a hilarious very close up pic of the cat’s curiosity which nearly killed ME from laughing so much 😂😂😂.
haha :)
Great video, first video of yours I have watched. I will be watching more, thank you.
Love the way you keep jumping around and try to pose for segments. Always makes me laugh. Great video dude.
Haha! Thanks man!
Well new video is out! :) czcams.com/video/uP0Dt48TW7Q/video.html
Have a great day!
I just got the Sigma 16mm f1.4 for my crop sensor Sony. So far I've been shooting more with the SEL50f18, but I'm really looking forward to do some creative portraits like what you just showed on this video. I like that big head - small body look you did on here. BTW your IG is bad ass!
Heya! Thanks a lot for the nice words! haha yeah you get cool effects! Oh at 1.4 it's going to be really fun!!
This episode should be helpful for wide angle too: czcams.com/video/1bT5BRR5k_U/video.html
See you in the next episode ;)
I just found your channel! So excited to follow!!
Thank you. Great video Pierre. My first Wide Angle is arriving on Monday, Canon EDF 10-18mm f4.5-5.6 IS STM.. can't wait to open it
Hey Jeff! Oh exciting! Let me know how you like it!!
How you did to fix the distortion from the building?
Hello Pierre, I would like to see what you could have done in the city with lead-in lines and deliberate abstract scenes of architecture. This could be very creative and much fun!
I will sure use it on the roadtrip to croatia! See you in 10 days! will check YT less on holiday.
Hey Jurian!!! Ohhh enjoy the road trip man!!! :)
I just bought a Sigma 16mm 1.4 for my Sony a6000 so this video will come in handy.
Oh nice!!! How do you like it so far?
Thanks for watching man, just put the new episode out, czcams.com/video/pvUNe-dLo9k/video.html enjoy!!! 😊
@Vuhlandes shoot 'Environmental Portraits" all the time... 24mm 1.4 GM is perfect.
100%
Glad to see your camera is back and super fresh, see you in the next episode!
Thanks Erik!! Yessss :) Happy wkd!
Let me know if you're ever in Norway!
I will!!!
Thanks for the good tips, will come on handy, as I’m a novice, have an a6000, and just got two days ago a sigma 16mm, playing with it this weekend. Always great videos!!!
Hey Ramon! Thanks man, that's awesome enjoy!! :)
Great video Pierre! Bought a 15-30mm hoping to shoot a huge wedding party. I took few shots before and wow! I realize I won’t be using this lenses for that, however, will be using for landscape and star trails. Great tips ! ✌🏻
Hey Thom! Yes that's the best! !
Ps: new video is live now! Enjoy!! :) czcams.com/video/cNlSfOxyz34/video.html
Well done Pierre... great insights.
Hey Tony, thanks man ! Happy Friday, see you in the next episode!
If you change your wide angle lens 20mm-60mm kit lens to 35mm focal length will the side of the image still make your face look wide? 4:30 mark
Thanks Pierre! Love your videos, thanks for the tips.
Came here to understand Christopher Doyle's cinematography in a couple of Wong Kar Wai films. It was really helpful. Thanks a lot.
Oh thanks! I’ll check it out :)
@@Pierretlambert you're welcome :) watch fallen angels as well as chungking express.
Rokinon 12/f2.0 on Sony a6300. Great indoor travel lens; museums, cathedrals etc.
Oh nice! Gotta try those one day :)
@@Pierretlambert i want to buy 2 lens for my a6500. 1 - 18-105 f4, and i dont know what about second, sigma 16 1.4, sigma 30 1.4 or rokinon 12 f2.0. I'm going to go to Europe for a few months, and I don’t know which one to choose. I want to take a lot of pictures, but the video is probably more important to me. HELP please:)
I tend to think that all of them are needed sooner or later. But at the moment sigma 16 1.4 seems to me a good choice.
Thank you!
Damn finally that one took a lot of effort!! Beautiful morning though and great tips :)
Now I understand better! Thanks for sharing those tips :)
Go get those awesome Africa pictures!
Very helpful, thanks Pierre!
Love your vlogs Pierre!!!!
Thank you Aweh! :)
Happy Friday, see you in the next episode!
Really informative video :)
Have to figure out now how to edit out the distortion in Lightroom! Didn't know it was possible to that extent. !
Hey Nishanth! Thanks a lot. Go to the "transformation' section in edit that's where you can do it :)
Happy Friday, see you in the next episode!
Pierre T. Lambert Thanks a ton Pierre! Can't wait for the next episode :)
Thank you for sharing
Great video Pierre !
Thank you Jerome!! :)
Is it necessary to use a tripod when shooting wide. When I bought mine that was the advice I was given? This video encouraging me to use it. Thank you.
Hi Maureen! Thanks for watching. Nope no need tripods at all! I hardly ever use them, gets in your way of taking photos :)
This is Good.
What software you use for editing the photos?
Thank you I was using wide angle lens today without tripod - after watching your video.
Oh awesome!! How did you like it? :)
Plenty of blue sky in shots at one of my fav locations but I need more practice.
Very informative..thanks
Thank you Handry!!! Do you have wide angles? :)
To be accurate, a wide angle lens sees more or wider than a human’s eye. A telephoto lens sees less or narrower than a human eye. With a “full frame or 35mm film sized sensor”, a 50mm lens sees approximately the same as a human eye. That’s why a 50mm lens was always known as a “standard” lens. So anything less than 50mm is wide angle, anything more is telephoto. A 28-70mm lens is an excellent “standard” zoom that ranges from slightly wide to slightly telephoto. What he is talking about here with less than 28mm is “ultra wide”, and will indeed give a lot of distortion with close subjects. Always bear in mind that this is for a 24x36mm sensor. With a Canon APS-C sensor, which has a 1.6x crop factor, the lens has to be wider. That makes an aps-c “standard” lens approximately 31mm.
Well done. Good points and auto mirror analog - some resemble fish-eye lenses. Trite but true - a good way to learn about a given focal length lens is to use it exclusively for a good while (e.g., several weeks of frequent use). I find that 24mm (FF equivalent.) w/a is helpful for close-in street photography shooting from waist level. BTW, the old metric is that anything below a 50mm (FF equivalent and approximate match for human eye field of view) is considered wide.
Hey Paul! Thanks a lot! Yes good point about the human field of view. Is 24mm your goto lens?
Have a great day!
Pierre T. Lambert My goto lens is a 24-80 ff equivalent zoom, so the wide angle is there if and when needed - I’ll mount the 24mm ff equiv prime when I know the shooting session will be close-in/crowded venue and a wider aperture is an asset. BTW, let me suggest a future vid for your next country venue - light painting. Scenic or exotic subjects at dusk or night might be a good adjunct for light painting effects, unless I missed a prior vid you already did on this subject. Keep up the good work.
Got it!
Good video idea! Might be shooting one today actually on Fireworks for the 4th ;-)
sir, I love your backpack, could please give me a link to buy it. thanks
Grazie))
Great video, loved the energy.
Thanks Gregory! :)
ps: new video is out! czcams.com/video/7yaFEFI5MGk/video.html enjoy!!
Recommended wide-angle lens for micro 4/3 that has autofocus?
Great vid. Just subbed. Looking forward to more
Hey HB! Thanks man & welcome!!!
Happy weekend see you in the next one Monday ;)
Ok, so let’s get factually correct, Talking about wide angle lenses: A wide angle lens is any lens that sees anything in a smaller perspective than the human eye; in the case of a full frame sensored camera, that is anything less than 50mm. A 35 mm lens could be termed “wide”, a 28mm wide enough for most landscape photography. 24mm is very wide, and wider than that is “ultra wide angle”. The last fifteen years has seen a lot of really good quality ultra wide angle lenses, that are a lot of fun to use. If you have an aps sensor in your camera, like a Canon EOS 700 for example, anything wider than about 32mm is wide, less than 15mm is extreme wide!
Have fun with your photography, and don’t be afraid to experiment! #shoottheadventure
I got lost but Pierre's going to high five me!!!
Please teach me... teach me!!!
Hey Miguel! haha you read, that's awesome :) 🖐
Hope to see you soon
I recently purchased one, the one issue im finding is my one the corners are wiped out and it creates a black circle around my image can you help me on how to resolve this issue, btw it came with a macro lens as well so its 2 in 1
Nice video. I have a 19mm f2.8 that I still don't know how to use it haha :) Thanks for the technical tips!
Hey Aza! Thanks mate, haha good try it out now!! I'm sure you'll get the hang of it :)
Pierre, thanks for the video. What is the song/track you use in the beginning of the video? Liked it.
You just got a like for saying "triple exciting" lol
Going full frame right now and cannot decide if I should go for a 24-105 or a 16-35 first...
Tough choice - do you need the extra focal length or not? that's the big ?
ps: new video just dropped! czcams.com/video/VitgJyYaMTo/video.html - Enjoy!
Buy two sell one lol
Another great video Pierre! Just wondering if you feel the 16-35 GM 2.8 is worth the extra cost over the f4 version. I'm shooting with an A7RIII and will be using it for real estate (work) and landscapes (play). Thanks!
Hey! Thanks :)
Great question. I needed the 2.8 for shallower DOF in people shots and night scapes. Otherwise the 4 would have been great. The ISO being so good no need to justify the 2.8 as much as before if you're not looking for shallow dof. Maybe the f/4 is good enough imho. Then add a prime with low aperture if you ever need :)
Happy Friday!
Pierre T. Lambert - Thanks Pierre, I’ll take your advice and put the savings toward a great prime! Have an awesome weekend!!
nice and fun video! thanks for sharing, cool photo at 8:09
Hey Felipe! Thanks a lot man :) Oh yeah that was in Tokyo!!
nice tutorial
Thank you 😊 glad you enjoyed!
Nice!
Thank you David!
...and if you shoot wide please use lens and perspective correction.
true! Unless you want the crooked effect :p
Have a great Friday John!
Portraits can also start at 35mm...
True! :)
See you in the next episode!
*28mm! :-)
Oh je pensais que tu étais un américain avec un accent anglais... mais l'accent français est trop mignon
Where is the bunch of wide lenses?
? ^^
Well , you said that you will leave in description a list of wide lenses
What shutter speeds would I use to get a photo similar to 8:09 ?
Hi!
1/4 or 0,4 :)
ps: new video is out! czcams.com/video/7yaFEFI5MGk/video.html enjoy!!
Thank you very much & I'll be sure to check it out. @@Pierretlambert
Pierre please make sure your horizons are straight(from14s - 44s) and again at 6.52 apart from that good info mate.
Hey Paul! Thanks for watching mate! Ah yeah will try to!! :)
Have a great day!
🤔Are you really falling out the the sky on every cut ? 😉
Glad the camera's fresh as a daisy after the clean. I dropped my 24-70 onto the steel deck of a ship during a recent trip to Iceland. Luckily it's a monster lens and only required a repair and readjust but it came back silky smooth. I hadn't realised that a few trips in hot weather 35-40degC had really dried out the lubricants. Sometimes there's a small upside to the downside or repairs ;-)
Ouch!! Damn glad for you it wasn't worse than that!! Oh did it dry it out too? Gotta be careful for my next trip :)
Happy Friday, see you in the next episode!
Luckily despite it being very rough the deck was dry but the filter on the lens and the filter ring took most of the impact but messed up the lens alignment. Luckily the Nikon f2.8 whilst a few hundred £ to repair it is now serviced and silky smooth. And only 5 days in the workshop. Never damaged anything before and luckily I had a wide angle lens as a spare so still managed to keep shooting ;-)
I got lost but Pierre’s going to high five me
Wow you read!! High five Isabella!! ✋
Have an amazing day :)
2470gm or 1635gm？？？？ torn apart between these two
thanks！！
Oh wow tough choice! Will you shoot super wide linke milkyway for vlogs ?Here's a new video on lenses actually! Oczcams.com/video/s7qiJUqGAQQ/video.html
Enjoy!!
Hey, it's Freddie Mercury!
he's back!
😅😅😅
Nothing that has to do with he topic, but am i the only one who thinks this guy kinda sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger?
And don't use a wide-angle lens for CZcams because you get Pierre spider arms. 😁
Haha yeah you noticed :D
:) 👍
good content.. way too much hype/ ego
My I ask how u got the girl in focus and not blurred while the people in the background people were blurred?
Heya! In which image? Usually I ask her not to move and I shoot at a low shutter speed! :)
Pierre T. Lambert Pierre T. Lambert it is at 8:09 the not moving is sometimes not that easy though :) depending on the shutter speed. But if u set it on 10 seconds it just never gets perfect. Thanks for answering me so fast!!
Don't give advice about portraits.. Is obviously not your thing. And using wide angle for specific styles of portraits is actually fantastic to add dynamism and drama.
Platon does portraits with a wide angle... how stupid of him.
Tastes and colors! :)
Damn Pierre.. Now I need to buy a new wide lens... 😂
Haha or rent :p