SYM Symphony ST 125 L/C - VS - 200 A/C - Performance test
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Many of you has asked me what is the difference between the 2 engine options for the 2021 Sym Symphony ST. On paper the 200 Air cooled and the 125 Liquid cooled seem almost identical. Both make 12 bhp the only difference is that the 200 makes it's power 500rpm lower in the rev-range and also develops 2 Nm of torque extra. But when you ride them back to back the difference is obvious from the first few meters. And when you pull out the stop watch and time them the difference becomes even clearer.
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De cand asteptam videoclipul asta.... :)
Ți s-a îndeplinit dorința 😘
Both of those scouters are famous here in greece...!! An the new model is magnificent!!! Good job for the measurements!!!! Be careful with the cars!!!! Its clearly that the 125 is slower than the 200 besides the same horse power.... Good video...👌👌👍👍... Best wishes from Greece!!!
Thank you
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Fun to watch you riding / comparing the differences with the Sym small scooters. As a good man told me once upon a time when I was a boy, you can never have enough power or hp in any vehicle, simply because it’s there when you need it! Cheers, Rola (Oregon / USA)
Very nice video, you have just solve my problem which one to prerfer ...thanks
In Greece the price difference between the 125 L/C and the 200 is just 100 Euros so I went for the 200. Just changed the oil today at exactly 1000km. :)
Happy with the torque?
@@RideWithAlex I haven't compared it with similar scooters yet but overall I'm very happy with it. I do roughly 10km every day.
Φίλε αξίζει καθόλου ;;;
@@discorunner1754 Εχει ανεβει η τιμη λιγακι και λογικα σε λιγους μηνες θα βγει το μοντελο 2022 οποτε εγω προσωπικα θα περιμενα..
@@crashbandicoot4everr ρωτάω εάν αξίζει από άποψη
Ποιότητας,αξιοπιστίας,αντοχής, αν είναι οικονομικό ;; Αν βγάζει πολλά θέματα ;;
Μιλάς με άτομο ήρεμο γενικά το θέλω για βόλτα και εργασία δεν είμαι και λάτρεις της ταχύτητας σπάνια χαλάω κάτι.
Έχω Fabia μοντέλο του 2003 Και όλοι μου λένε εάν το αγόρασα από εξωτερικό είναι πένα.
Μου αρέσουν τα scooter θεωρώ είναι μια καλή λύση να περνάς και όμορφα στην βόλτα σου και να πηγαίνεις δουλειά παράλληλα.
well done alex. very nice video
Thank you very much!
Great video again.👍
We need a 200ccm Version of the watercoolt engine.😗
Something like that is in the DRG and it makes 16hp. Would have loved to see that in the ST but Sym didn't do it 😔
@@RideWithAlex That sounds interesting. In germany, we only have the AC-125ccm Engine in the Symphony, no LC and no 200ccm version. And no SYM DRG ...☹️
In Germany we have the Peugeot Tweet 200. It's the Same Scooter...
@@charliewatts7876 Nicht ganz, der Tweet ist weitestgehend mit dem Symphony SR baugleich, nicht dem ST. Außerdem hat der Peugeot nur die luftgekühlten Motoren, auch als 125er.
Aber wenigstens bringt SYM-Deutschland dieses Jahr den Symphony ST 125LC zu uns, auch wenn man hier immernoch keine 150/200er Modelle von SYM bekommt.
@@charliewatts7876 I am going to look it up, I did not know that.
Nice video man. Greetings from Greece!
Thank you
Great comparison. Enjoyed it. I wonder what would be the top speed difference between them. Just subscribed. I am gonna check now also the 8000 km review of the 200.
I think the 125cc L/C has a bit higher top speed.
@@RideWithAlex Thanks mate. I see. OK.
Great review . Thanks
Thank you! :D
I have just bought the125 lc 10/2/2022 blue mat with the small windshield for 3000€
Well I’ve seen 119km on my ST 125 L/C but in a much longer straight!!!Maybe i was leaning on the speedometer a little to gain some aerodynamic….😜😜😜!!Greetings from Greece Alex!!
I know the 125 L/C is better on the top end, it likes higher revs and can have a higher top speed the the 200 but through traffic the 200 has a bit better acceleration
Για πες εντυπώσεις γιατί σκέφτομαι να το αγοράσω.Το τελευταίο μοντέλο έχεις ε;
@@spyrosevoix check out this video: czcams.com/video/5g92IzcHKgk/video.html
@@spyrosevoix ναι το euro 5 έχω. Πολύ καλό απίστευτος χώρος κάτω από την σέλα. Αν μένεις Αθήνα ίσως να σε βολέψει και το 200αρι που έχει λίγο παραπάνω ροπή.
@@Dr0uk Χωράει full face κράνος κάτω από την σέλα?Γιατι πολλοί κάνουν παράπονα ότι δεν χωράει…
Very useful video!! What is the app that you are using for the measurements??
The app is called "Drag Racer" and it's for Android.
@@RideWithAlex why dont you do the same on the cruisym 300 to see if its worth it to give 5500 euros?
@@takis4954 I have a performance test of the cruisym, the video is on the channel :)
I definetly buy SYM.They have bulletproof engines.SYM LC 125.
Note.I changed.I bought Jet X 200.Brand new.I think it is same as ST 200 Symphomy expect lower ground clearance and more aero looking.
Nice video👍
Thanks
BRAVO from Greece you are really good.One question,the JET X 125 LC has the same performance?I have tested mine and i saw speed of 120 kilometres/hour.Thank you,and have a nice day.
The 125 LC is better in the high revs so it has a higher top speed than the 200,
Good Video 👍
Which App did you use ?
The app is called Drag Racer
@@RideWithAlex Thank you.
I will test my 125 too.
It may be faster 😉😎
Have a nice evening.
Right few days ago I got a Symphony 125cc because easier sell when I will sell because it doesn't need license such as 169cc, moreover because cheaper insurance. Despite it maybe I should have bought Symphony 200 because better torque. However if with a higher torque the 169cc scooter, to start from a standstill uphill to full load requires a throttle opening of half a knob (50%), I who with the 125 have a lower torque, could I get the same starting result from a standstill by opening the knob to 100%? That is: does the greater torque only have the advantage of less engine effort or does it limit the starting/pushing performance at an uphill start? If I had a 50cc compared to a 170cc surely the gap would be maximum, but between a torque of 10 Nm and 12 Nm the gap cold be compensated with the greater opening of the throttle? Please let me know Alex
Well more power is more power, if we both go wide open throttle the 200 will get of the line faster, I like the fact that I have extra torque at my disposal when I need it.
@@RideWithAlex Thank you Alex
Hello dear sir!
I just bought the 125 but the owner's manual doesn't include operating instrucions for the display/odometer!Can you please tell me where to find them online?
Many thanks in advance!
What about Honda Sh mode, how does it compares in term of acceleration between those two?
Very useful video, thank you Sir!
I don't know, don't have one to compare :)
Nice video buddy although I own the 125 but it gets the 100 easily and 120 tops. Your 125 straggles a bit and I don't know why. Maybe you have to accelerate progressively. Anyway good jod
On camera they always look slower then they feel in real life.
@@RideWithAlex oh man, I only see your dash
Maybe the rider weighs more?
@@stephen9040 that may also be that case, I'm not exactly skinny 😂
Rode a Pug Belville 125 in Greece - the Pug felt brilliant up to 80 but struggled after 80.
I rode a Honda SH150 shortly after and it was boring. Definitely had legs on the Belville upwards of 80 but it was too smooth with no real powerband off the line.
I’m guessing the LC motor in the Belville is the same as the one in the SYM LC and Pug Speedfight 4 125 LC.
With its impressive sub 80 KPH performance, they must be geared quite low. There was no way I was getting 100 from the Belville. Excellent scooter though 👍 pretty too.
What is your opinion. Both cost almost the same. Which one would you choose, the 125 lc or the 200 ac? Dont you think that the ac is old type of engine and maybe will cause more problems in the future?
I don't think it will cause more problems in the future, the disadvantage is that it's less efficient that the 125lc (uses more fuel).
Dear A ! Just made a 150 km trip on my new Symphony 125 ST. Great ! But, I find the rear suspension SO hard...Normal, or should I ask my mechanic to adapt them ? I mesure 1.85 with 80 kilos and drive alone. You are THE Sym expert and can maybe give me your opinion...? Have a Great weekend !😊
The preload onnthe rear shocks is adjustable, talk to mechanic and try less preload or more preload. I run mine with max preload.
oare intre jet 14 125L/C si 200A/C sunt aceleasi rezultate? avand in vedere ca la 200AC motorul e tot de 124,6 dar are cuplu 13,5nm, difera doar din transmisie si nu din CC?
Ar trebui sa fie fix aceleasi motoare cu aceleasi transmisii si pe Jet14 (125 si 200). Cel putin cel de 125 sigur e la fel ca cel din clip, jet14 200 euro 5 inca nu a sosit in Romania sa vad daca merge la fel ca al meu ST200 dar din ce stiu e fix aceeasi unitate propulsor.
@@RideWithAlex si ai idee, vine doar la pre-comanda sau o sa vina pana la inceputul anului viitor sa l poti cumpara direct din showroom, jet14 200 E5?
Astea de 200 de regula doar la comanda se aduc, dar poți vizita showroom ul și aflii toate detaliile, sau poți suna la numerele de pe site.
Καλησπέρα , Έχω Μια Ερώτηση Σχετικά Με Το Ίδιο Σκούτερ Που Έχω ... Το Symphony Μπορεί Να Δεχτεί Τροποποίηση Στα Αμορτισέρ Με Επισκευάσιμα Η Δεν Αξίζει ? Έχω Ακούσει Για Τα Σινεμπλόκ Ότι Θα Υπάρχει Θέμα ! Ευχαριστώ.
Μπορεί αλλά δεν αξίζει, σκούτερ είναι τι να βελτιώσεις
Hi, difference between ST125 and ST200? 125 engine seems more advanced
Even with it being air cooled I’ve had my SYM 200 full throttle for long amounts of time. Probably almost an entire tank straight. They’ll tank some abuse.
I've had myne for an iron butt full throttle, 1661km in 24 hours non stop. 12 full tanks of full throttle and it's still running fine 30.000km later.
Which Symphony ST 125 is better for city ride and journey's up to 100km no hills with passenger,air or liquid cooled?
Liquid cooled will be more fuel efficient, air cooled is a simpler engine so less stuff to go wrong 🤷🏻♂️
It's all about the transmission of 125lc, the rpm and torque are less but if you put others rings and variator you can make the difference...... I don't have sym, my scooter is speed fight 4 125Lc 12.8 and 12rpm, for this cubic and scooter is strong, but the best thing for my peugeot is that the transmission do great job without having other aftermarket part, all this "200"cc160cc real cubics air-cooled scooters sym, kymco etc can't make faster the 0-90 comparison to sppedfight...
The problem with my 169cc is that it makes it's power at 7000rpm, good for city acceleration but on a long trip I would need some bigger weights because at 95km/h it's at 8000rpm and out of it's power band. I would need something to reduce the RPM so at speed it would be in the power band.
@@RideWithAlex as you say is a city scooter not for trips, but if you want more speed, change the variator and rings. For your Sym you can find a lot and very good quality aftermarket parts to make your acceleration and speed much better without spend a lot of moneys..
@@herculesspeed. For the moment it's still under warenty so I am not gonna experiment with it, plus I want to see the limits with it stock as it comes from Sym. We'll see in the future, maybe next year.
@@RideWithAlex Sym in Greece sells the most items at least five years, and the most popular scotter is the Symphony 125cc, all the new Gen scooter looks and feels more comfortable and better quality, the parts and services are cheap and easy to find everything you need....after Sym, also Piaggio make very good sellings Beverly 250 and 300cc the best selling scooters , also Yamaha and Honda high prices scooter make good sells, especially 300cc cubics, Kymco offers are great but the popular models are very old, now Kymco make the new models and they have pottencial to make better sellings, Keeway is the new deal with some models with good prices and of course Peugeot Scooter the last two years have the lowest prices, great offers at least 500 and 1000 euros cheapest deals...Kawasaki, Suzuki you can find anywhere scooter, also all Scooter are euro4 and euro5 standard....
the maximum speed of the 200cc is 90kmh? Do the stock ones have any speed limitations put on them?
The maximum speed is 110 and no they don't have any limiter.
Do you think ST 125 L/C can cruise at 90 km/h on long trips with 2 people on it (aprox 130kg) without damaging the engine?
should be perfectly fine
I measure with the same app my symphony st 200 euro 4 and did 0-80kmh 12sec
Depends on the riders weight, i am about 110kg, plus the transmission on the euro 5 is different then the euro 4
@@RideWithAlex ok my weight is 85kg that’s why we have different acceleration numbers!
@fa fit Yep, so i guess if anyone want's to make his scooter faster, they should leave the engine alone and just go on a diet 😂. I can gain 3 sec to 0-80 if i lose 25kg 😂😂😂
@@RideWithAlex yes riders diet is a free way to accelerate scooter faster 😂😂 I start dieting to 70kg I guess my scooter acellarate then 0-80 at 10 sec😂
@@pannits 😂😂😂😂
Is the 125 sym symphony good for heavy people above 100kg or it's a bad choice?
It's good but the heavier you are the more you'll benefit from the extra torque of the 200
Since the fuel tank is near 7 litres then the 125cc. with a full tank can ride more or less for 300 km ?
Yea the 125 can get close to 300km on a tank.
As like in old movie no replacement for displacement... I have SYM Jet 14 200 carb version. I like it but it could be a bit faster or may be I am just used to my 690 KTM...
witch application do you use?
Drag Racer on Android.
Name of the app you used for mesuring speeds please. !!!
Drag racer
Salut, iti dau o provocare,
poti face te rog un video cu update
back shock absorbers, cu dublu reglaj rezervor de aer sau nitrogen,
pret model și loc de achiziție,
pe drumurile noastre scuterele sym cer amortizoare mai bune altfel te zguduie bine.
Sunt propietar de sym 125
Habar n-am de unde iei asa ceva, cat costa, si cat de mult ar ajuta. Daca cunosti vreo companie care face asa ceva si e dispusa sa trimita produsul pentru recenzie adresa mea de e-mail este in descriere, altfel eu nu am probleme cu suspensia la al meu si nu doresc sa investesc in suspensie.
Am mers pe unul cu suspensie modificata în străinătate, diferența este notabilă, atat la tinuta de drum cât și la confort.
Din păcate in afară de cele de pe site-ul chinezesc, care nu știu cât de fiabile sunt, nu găsesc ceva clar în online la noi.
As cumpara eu pentru mine, dar nu știu ce se potrivește.
Lipseste un magazin specializat care sa te indrume
Price in morrocco st125 2200€ st200 3100
no one did top speed for both. i's a shame.
Arround 100km/h
@@RideWithAlex for the 200?
@@hdidane00 yea
Any one know the stock size and weight rollers for the 125 please looking to upgrade mines
The stock weight is 10.1 but I don't know the size, I'll try to check
200 is faster and more comfortable because the rear wheel is 16" ,but i am frm Greece and for Greek summer the L/C is the best option.
I have the 125 lc euro 4 version.
The new euro5 200 has the 14 inch rear wheel, just like the 125l/c
@@RideWithAlex 😭
@@isorokueightbit1974 the rear tyre is 120/80r14 so it's a fat tyre and is comfortable on bumps if you don't overinflate it. I really like it.
A good test, but NHT 200 is a better bike.
What if you want a flat floor? :))
@@RideWithAlex It has one. Underneath it.
😂
Body weight to ratio and the wind. And your visor to your helmet is open
I ride with it open 90% of the time.
My Symphony 125 st with the big Givi windshield and Givi 33 topcase does 117 kms. an hour. Without it would be easely 123... One year old with 3.000 kms. on it. Quiet good. Great machine to do long distances at 90-95 kms. an hour. Enjoy the countryside and do not race like so many Big Motorcicle idiots...I've put a variator at my Sym dealer. More power and fluidness at low ranges. A must, I would think...Regards from Mallorca !
Why the phone is not same speed on the scooter..?
Because all scooter speedos have an error to them, they show more than the real speed
@@RideWithAlex no no it's wrong here in Morocco we don't have that problem and sym 125cc give 130 KMH speed...
APP wrong not the scooter
@@othmaneaitidir4541 GPS speed is not wrong, show me a 125cc Sym going 130, unmodified and the GPS speed not indicated dash speed. Even the manufacturer says top speed is 99km/h and I think I know my way arround a Sym scooter 😉
@@RideWithAlex czcams.com/video/rciwiNx1gNE/video.html
@@othmaneaitidir4541i ve st 200cc top speed only me 136km|h abd 130km if im with someone
I ve st200cc in morrocco top speed 136
Stock?
@@RideWithAlex nop top speed 136
@@pastossellami300 that's nice, must be using different parts over there.
Bring that in Philippines. Our 125cc scooter here can go up to 130kph stock engine it depends how you tune ur cvt and the driver 😂😂😂 it can race with big bike 🤣
If you tune the CVT it's not really stock now is it?
125 its better than the 200 ...same price same horses
Is it good for a delivery work ? Symphony 200cc
Yes it is :)
Wow sym Simphony s 125i ok
Good video .. i have a 0 - 100 with my ST 200 in my chanel
Well,I modded my 125 and runs almost identical to the 200!The difference up to 93 km/h from stop was 2 bikes length!
What did you do to it?
@@RideWithAlex I cut the exhaust tip to improve flow and modified the airbox making it less restrictive.I also cut a piece of the grille that covers the back of the air filter which made it more free flowing.The throttle response is much better,the bike starts with less throttle,it pulls harder and it spins from stop at non perfect tarmac(almost always-lol).
The noise now is the same in normal throttle position but louder and sportier when you" floor " it.
@@zzt231gr nice 😁
@@RideWithAlex I forgot to mention that in many random encounters with the latest Piaggio Medley 125 -also popular scooter in Greece- I am running head to head with them,which is a scooter that has ~14.5 horsepower.