Mike Goldstein - L Ron Hubbard's Financial Controller - Secret Lives - Scientology - Dianetics
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- Mike Goldstein - L Ron Hubbard's Financial Controller & Sea Org Member. Appointed "FBO Dictator"
"Secret Lives"
Scientology - Dianetics.
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Very fair interview explaining both sides of Hubbard. Goldstein runs Idenics, a Scientology spin off therapy.
+Keeping.Skepticism.Working ,
Thank you for uploading and sharing this video with your viewers. I do hope that you will allow it to remain available indefinitely as it clearly is one of the more unique pieces to a greater puzzle.
I also want to specifically thank *Mike Goldstein* for helping us, the public, with making information available for us to educate ourselves by speaking so openly about your experience with L. Ron Hubbard and the Sea Org (a 'department' or work force supposedly made up by the most strongly committed members within the Scientology organization).
21:24 firsthand explanation by Mike Goldstein of the Hubbard focus on "Flag" higher paying services, how it started, and then this eventually became what is today the "Flag Landbase" in Clearwater Florida. Mike gives just excellent background history. This talk by Mike has so many threads which lead to today's Scientology highest organizations, "Flag Land Base" organizations, and today's even Author Services Inc has roots in the jobs Hubbard first gave to Mike on the Apollo, the "LRH Properties" Chief position that Hubbard gave Mike at one point. It all ties into what's become of today's Scientology related organizations. Amazing back history. (I used to train staff in my 27 year career in the Sea Org, so this history from Mike is particularly dot connecting, my course room teaching/overseeing jobs in the staff training departments I worked in made me delve into the history nooks and crannies which Mike gives firsthand history answers to.)
Mike: I See no evil, Hear no Evil, Speak no evil.
"Some things Hubbard did were a good idea and some were a bad idea. He was just an ordinary guy like anyone else." End of story.
Thanks Mike. Based on your testimony I guess it's safe to go ahead and become a Sea Org slave and sign the Billion year contract.
He sounds still a little brainwashed to me, to you?
@@JamesRichardWiley Don't think at this late stage in his life, he did this interview in the 1980s, it's now 2019, he's likely soured completely on any hope that Sea Org L. Ron Hubbard's cult bureaucracy has any hope for the future for anyone. - Chuck Beatty, I knew Mike as a superior up the totem pole when I was a newbie in the Sea Org, and what seems to happen, as people get out of the Hubbard operation, they gradually only sour on the whole Hubbard con.
@@nicktalk8589 Certainly, which by brainwashing is meant enraptured with one's guru cult boss leader whose world operation pays one and tends to all one's creature comforts, as did and does the Sea Org Hubbard bureaucracy which runs the Scientology operation and keeps all the lifer Sea Org staffers fed and housed and jazzed up to do Hubbard's quackery sales and delivery. I did when I put in my 27 years in Sea Org cult dedicated staff work. If one's enough inside the bubble world, one transfers all hope to that world, and the outside world fades out of one's mind. Sadly. Mike's long since out, and Mike set up an "Idenic" quackery group
www.idenics.com/idenics1990.html
but I don't know what Mike's up to today It's all quackery to me today though. - I did 27 years mainly in the administrative ranks of the Sea Org Hubbard cult running bureaucracies. All a waste.
@@chuckbeattyo Thank you for answering Chuck. I do get the bubble. At least you're out now.
I really hope that Leah Remini has seen this series of videos, to interview those profiled for her show.
The most ingenious organization
I prefer " *Crime Syndicate* "
I think you mean "insidious?" 🤔
He was a madman
+Carla Eagle He was a magnificent bastard. A mad genius!
nope-just another narcissist-another adolph. completely full of shit . there's a sucker born every minute- and his replacement is just as bad if not worse. just another cult led by self absorbed self proclaimed mini gods and followed by the truly brain dead.
I remember Mike when he came through Flag (Clearwater) in the later 1970s. My first wife later became the FBO Flag and she then rose to CS-3, and she had to deal with Herbie Parkhouse, liaise, with Herbie who was the GO Finance guy "worldwide", and the Wendell Reynolds was the "Assistant Guardian Flag", and Wendell's wife was friends with my first wife and was our maid of honor at our marriage.
The missing finance people, who were in the "LRH Personal Office" were called "LRH Accounts" and that was Vicki Polimeni Liviningston, she was the position who handled Hubbard's accounts directly. Later on, when Vicki moved on or left the Sea Org, then it was Marlin Anderson who was "LRH Accounts". I believe, my educated guess, is the royalties were dealt with by the "LRH Accounts" personnel until later, when Author Services Inc was finally formed later in 1981-82, that's when the royalties
The "LRH Accounts" position actually handled Hubbard's money accounts like their position said.
And all of the staff in the "LRH Personal Office" were like that name says, they were LRH's personal office staff, which included his "Household Unit" personnel who kept up his "LRH spaces" (office and quarters).
The problem was all of these staffs were Sea Org members, the so-called "religious order" (monks and nuns, but allowed to be married) staff who were really the retinue of Hubbard's, something the IRS objected to that religious order staff were doing all these detailed things just for Hubbard, completely by his writings that today are all categorized as "religious scriptures" but the whole lot of these staff writings to the LRH Personal Office are really a big big reason the IRS did NOT have any option but deny Scientology tax exemption!
Hubbard just completely blatantly violated the rules of getting religious tax exemption for Scientology by the way that the "LRH Personal Office" was set up.
Mike's career directly interacting with Hubbard's, Mike was part of the formative "Finance Office" network, which is all Sea Org top managed.
Mike lived the period when Mike was taking direct orders, like all the other top Sea Org executives were, all illegal or rather all grounds for the IRS's denying Scientology tax exemption.
The one period Mike got elevated to the higher position as sort of the Marketing position over Hubbard's "properties" (the way Hubbard thought of himself is that Hubbard created various products, and he wished someone to set up a way to market and make income exchange for those properties). "LRH Properties Chief" post that Mike was given that whole tape lecture from Hubbard to do, I'm almost positive this position was in the "LRH Personal Office."
I've tried on my comments on various blogs explain that the later Author Services Inc, which was the final legal (to the IRS for tax purposes) separating the staff off to a whole "for profit" incorporated group, Author Services Inc, to finally take care of the money for Hubbard, within the rules the IRS wished.
Today, Scientology is still struggling with this Author Services Inc separation from the "church" of Scientology control.
Today, jump to the ramifications of Mike's full talk here, is that what Mike talks about, the "LRH Properties Chief" post became split, with "Materials Exec Int" in the church, and then Author Services Inc is totally the for profit side of Hubbard's "properties."
Excellent chunk of history and wholly a lot of weeds details.
I think Scientology's a crock of .... and not worth anyone's time today, even though I put in a load of years myself in the Sea Org (1975-2003), and finally concluded it's like Tony Ortega (the journalist) has summarized about Scientology. It fails to deliver anyone any super soul powers, and fails at what it claims it will do.
No soul astronauts are produced, yet that's what "Full Operating Thetans" are supposed to be able to do, they cannot fly out of their skulls at will.
Hail Xenu.
Chuck Beatty Chuck you always post cool shit in the comments section. Thanks for spelling out the various connections behind the organization of LRHs finances, and giving us a bit of historical context to Mike's comments.
No offense, but this is very difficult to understand
Monkeys are loose. Full of beans, sounds like to me. I let them loose... I mean, out of their cages... but I keep them in there... locked up in that room. If I was ever to let them monkeys out of the house, they'd be running this town inside a week.
I worked for 30 years over at the furniture department at the Eden's. Can't tell me everyone in this town didn't look down on me. And I worked for commission. Lucky if I made 300 bucks a month. Now I run the whole damn furniture department! Ehhh and I live in Bobby Ore's house!
Monkeys are in here. One day I think I'll let 'em out...
I was kidding. I wouldn't wish the monkeys on my worst enemy. These aren't cute monkeys. Nah. These are like those damn monkeys in "The Wizard of Oz"... only they ain’t got no wings... and they smell bad... these are vicious, mean-spirited monkeys.
People think I have got the power cause I've got the monkeys.
Nope. I've got the power because I'll let the monkeys loose... They don't understand......They goddamn don't understand THAT... and they goddamn don't understand me. But that's okay. That's all right, see... cause people.. they understand the monkeys.
@@JoeHeinedon't feal bad no one really understands Scientology but thats because it's a bunch of bullshit so it's ok.
Crowley is more understood than Hubbard.
Knightscroft Squire-Muldoon honestly, People like Mike Goldstein and Hanna Eltringham seem very intelligent, capable people, and I think L. Ron was as well. He was a bit crazy, maybe, but things like looking for lost civilizations, freedom from government, and self improvement are noble and worthwhile pursuits.
Thanks
It wasn't the GREATEST of situations. It was something akin to a CHAIN GANG.
You know. early on Ron's son from his 1st marriage--L. Ron Jr. (called Nibs)--no doubt would have been the heir apparent to running the show if he had stayed on. But he had a falling out with the elder L. Ron and so left the cult. I also have no doubt that L. Ron would have wanted a son or daughter to succeed him. I do not know if he had Quentin Hubbard in mind, but if he did, that obviously did not work out. I, personally, think he should have decided to turn over the reins to Diana (who I think is still in Scientology). Whether she would have wanted be in charge I have no idea, but I know that she would have been capable. I also think she would not have been afraid to do away with the RPF. The current leader, David Miscavige, who was not appointed by Hubbard or anyone but who seized power, not only continued the RPF, but is cruel and is a public relations disaster for the Church. Diana Hubbard would have been much better.
insightful comment
It is not a Church or a religion. Except for the Communications courses at the beginning it is an expensive, mentally destructive science fiction game with no win at the end.
Goldstein...his financial advisor? Goldstein? Talk about stereotypes
Hi, do you have the interview with Cyril Vosper? He was also featured on the Secret Lives documentary
Mystery + Truth + Fiction = Religion
Jo Weiss You could say the same things about the science of psychiatry - unless you had a pre frontal lobotomy! Science says you are just a cell infested skeleton on a life encrusted rock called Earth that came from a random freak evolutionary accident - a soulless meaningless eating-drinking-defecating machine! Is that YOU???
Remember that Hubbard and LaVey were both followers of Crowley. They learned from the best. All occults are the same.
+falsepride all "occults" are the same?
falsepride.
Hubbard and LaVey were thieves of superficial aspects of Crowley's teachings.
They were not "followers" of Crowley.
Occult teachers are not all the same.
All religions are the same. All about power.
This Guy. Satans little helper. how cute.
xiomana xoxoxo .. FYI Christianity is a cult to just older!
xiomana xoxoxo Dekisha Jones Atheism is the newest cult of all!
Got no vibes from this guy that he was an evil person
DENIAL DIVERSION FROM THE ACTUAL 13 YEAR OLD MESSENGERS.
Q: Did Goldstein get the level of Clear?
clearly...
its KSW PTS
You like him because you were duped by him
Monkeys are loose. Full of beans, sounds like to me. I let them loose... I mean, out of their cages... but I keep them in there... locked up in that room. If I was ever to let them monkeys out of the house, they'd be running this town inside a week.
I worked for 30 years over at the furniture department at the Eden's. Can't tell me everyone in this town didn't look down on me. And I worked for commission. Lucky if I made 300 bucks a month. Now I run the whole damn furniture department! Ehhh and I live in Bobby Ore's house!
Monkeys are in here. One day I think I'll let 'em out...
I was kidding. I wouldn't wish the monkeys on my worst enemy. These aren't cute monkeys. Nah. These are like those damn monkeys in "The Wizard of Oz"... only they ain’t got no wings... and they smell bad... these are vicious, mean-spirited monkeys.
People think I have got the power cause I've got the monkeys.
Nope. I've got the power because I'll let the monkeys loose... They don't understand......They goddamn don't understand THAT... and they goddamn don't understand me. But that's okay. That's all right, see... cause people.. they understand the monkeys.
great videos (all) but why is interviewer always so quiet...hard to hear?
It was probably for a documentary and these are the outakes another words the outakes were meant to be edited and the interview was most likely meant to be in a doc of some kind .
@@xiomanaxoxoxo3212 Channel 4 Secret Lives, 'L Ron Hubbard' from 1997- it's on CZcams.
Who does this interview?
he smoked cigarettes???????????????? what elevated being smokes???? OMG BYE
He not only *chain smoked* - but he *chewed tobacco* , was a heavy drug user ( _cocaine by the bag full, Mescaline, and a few other psychotropic drugs_ ) and suffered from _gonorrhea_ as well.
Ronnie wasnt so _enlightened_ - nor did he _practice_ what he preached now did he?
Hypocritical.Psychopathic.Narcissistic.Megalomaniac.Pathological.ConMan.
Lol
FIRST!
I find it strange how this man that has an overtly confident manner was just another sheep.I think a lot of them were very conceited people who already kinda thought they were special and Hubbard just exploited that.Hubbard struggled with the real world as well.he made a prison for himself by declaring things that he cud never be and had to stay away from most followers cos he was getting old and dying.the powers this guys talking about is more than likely hypnotic suggestion.a lot of his work was based around breaking people down.learning hypnotism he saw things he cud exploit mentally in people