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Accuracy testing the legendary crosman premier air rifle pellets
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2023
- A trip down memory lane, the crosman premier is still regarded by some as the single most accurate pellet in existnace, the die 2 particularly are incredibly sought after and have accounted for numerous major competition wins in the history of field target. Sadly they barely get a mention in top flight competition nowdays
i test the crosman premier super magnum pellets in some really tough conditions. how do they perform nowdays? are they still the legendary pellet they once were? many people say the die 2 prems are the most powerful pellet ever to be made, others say they are the most accurate. lets see how the latest versions run through my air arms xti50. the xti50 is a flagship field target air rifle, where the crosmans really earnt their reputation as the best pellet in the world.
im curious where they are made now, im sure if they were made in the usa the tins would say made in the usa, not built in the usa? if anyone can confirm it,that would be great.
in the uk we also got a 7.9grain version sold as the webley accupel. it seems webley now rebrand h&n pellets as the current accupels.
they do say its not wise to meet your heros, this may just be a case of that. i certainly remember the hype of the premiers as a young lad. they were super rare to find especially in the die 2, unless you had contacts in the shops to supply you.
at short range they hit hard and have huge penetration but at range they are fairly inconsistant. i pretty much failed to hit any of the long range targets with them
if anyone has some original die 2 premiers, id love to give them a try!
History - early 90's, pcp's were generally more efficient with the heavier pellet, hence bisley magnums being the pellet of choice for a while, this choice swung over to h&n baracuda (blue label) then followed by baracuda match (gold label) until the first of the boxed prems, 7.9 were the preferred weight, but some stuck with the 10.5 as they could interchange between the baracuda match and heavy prems. The heavy prems were the hardest pellets known to mankind, giving many a blister if you had a direct loader or bolt with little handle.
Usual story of the time, companies ran dies too long and the quality dropped off, leaving the door open for a newcomer, so JSB enter the scene under the air arms own label in approx 1999.
What people did notice with set up and lead types was a gun set to do say 820 with 7.9 prems, if you then stuck a AA field 8.4 in the speed would remain at 820, so a heavier pellet running as fast as a light, which in gun set up terms allowed you to turn your set up down so the action wasn't working as hard.
Along side the boxed prems, you also had the choice of the original webley mosquito, which were a customer die crosman premier . Also available was crosman accupel yellow label, very similar to the mossy and sold in tins of 500 as opposed to the proper 7.9 prems which were boxes of 1250.
We have now had over 20 years of lions share going to one jsb manufactured brand or another and for the good of the sport, would love to see some viable competition to them.
For anyone testing other brands, there is a lead conditioning cycle to observe, you will find that not all pellets shoot from clean the newer german made pellets fall into this and its the same scenario if you dont clean between for example jsb and h&n, you will not get the best out of the pellet with the other lead in there - imho of course.
The complication that is around now for some of our uk made guns is the addition of anti tamper measures, generally the guns are set to be legal with a jsb manufactured pellet, so sticking the harder german pellets in will instantly give you a lower ME, if you have the settings available to run a like for like ME then thats good, but there will always be the smartass who points out that if you put a pellet in you aren't using it may not be as you expect...
Something else to consider now is as pcp's have progressed, its now a myth to say all pcp's run higher ME with a heavier pellet. I have examples that run higher ME with lights than heavies.
Have fun with the testing 😁
Awesome Dave thanks for that mate. I'm a little young for the full story so it's great to read it. I'll pin your comment too.
I've just been gifted some 15 year old untouched prems in light and heavy... Super chuffed about that,will do a comparison and probably do the full prep on film too.
What would you have been using to lube back in the day?
😉
Si built a bunch of BSA bitsas for us over the years, one nick still uses ,cz barreled was in the nice walnut stock now got one of young toms on, that makes(or it did when I bought it off si) max power with 7.9 accupells. Funny story with that rifle when I bought it. Si had just won the ukahft nationals with it. I bought it off him a fortnight after, flung a scope on it at mad that morning and we went straight out onto one of the double header shoots and I beat him with it 😆
@@tillysgunstocks the popular choice was lubrotechnic for lube, although lubing does have its own pitfalls. Needed to wash, then weigh thenlube.But only lube as many as you were going to use that 1 session and never days in advance as it seemed to go off as unlikely as it sounds. Freshly lubed, all good, old prelubed pellets were effectively scrap a week later. Sizing made more consistency and accuracy gains in prems in all my guns at the time.
I use only JSB pellets but i got once a card bord 1250 box domed Premiers 7.9grain that came with a HW97 i bought. Loved them! I did not know that they are not availabe anymore. That's why i could not find them.....🤔They had a nice tight fit in the barel and where very accurate on 10 to 25 meters. I never tried them on longer distance. Thanks for showing 👍
They look to be available from a few places if you search around, but they don't seem readily available as they used to be
The channel has kindly been donated a box of both light and heavy made around 15 years ago,so will be great to test them side by side 😀
The new single die Benjamin 10.5 are the premieres of old IMO. If you can get them in the UK, test them out and let us know what you think. Happy to send you a tin as well too just to watch you put them through their paces. Great content as always.
Hi mate, I've been keeping an eye out for them,but as yet I've not found them in the UK or Europe. I'd love to test them,as I've now got a couple of boxes of the originals from 2005-8 as well as the new tinned ones and would be great to have them all side by side...😉
Had some success with various Crosman pellets but they do not like to be mixed with other pellets. I would love to see you test some Daystate Rangemaster Kaiser .177 as my HW99 @10flb loves them. Super tight groups out to 30yds (my max at the moment) and very consistent. I found the Crosmans a little like the RWS Superdome and Superfield in .22. I got some good results but had consistent flyers. I would always get 2 or 3 flyers every 20 shots or so. My goto .22 pellet for my R10 and HW90 is the BSA Goldstar. I plan on trying some H&N FTT as they are a little cheaper and also the Kaiser in .22. Great vid as usual
I often use the .22 version in my HW90 and they are surprisingly accurate and consistent.
What helps the weihrauch rifled barrels is that they are choked at the end which helps i believe a lot.
The crosman pellets did dominate FT back in the 90's over here in the states. They had to be washed and lubed. I Always assumed the worn out dies made the pellets sold in the metal tins at walmart, etc... You have a very windy area to shoot. Sub 12 ftpds is a bitch in tricky wind like that. Maybe try early in the morning wind the wind is calm. I also only shoot sub 12 over here. Windy days like you had I would just put the gun back in the safe....wait another day. Sometimes I will set my bench rest flags out and practice reading them. I can shoot good in the wind with flags, I Enjoy the videos. Thanks for taking the time.
Hi mate thanks for watching 😉
I enjoy pushing myself in the wind, infact I feel lost if I'm not aiming off a dot or 2 😆
The plan going forward is to run out to 100yds,sub12 and likely in a decent bit of wind..
It'd be nice to find somewhere sheltered with 50m for some testing though
I use these for hunting in my hw100,,very accurate and hit with a good thump,,it all depends on what your barrel likes so can't knock them at all,,trying different pellets until you find the right one is what it's all about,and as for windy conditions,well all pellets will suffer from that no matter what make they are.
I used to use the OG prems in the early 00's (before lazapell and lazadome came out and JSB pellets hit the UK). I'm 99% sure the original boxed pellet were 7.9's, they were the same as accupell but apparently the newer and better dies were all premiers and when they wore out they were sold as accupell. I think most people used these, if you wanted 10+ grain pellets you went with Bisley magnums.
One of the fellas in the comments here said they are working on some new designs, it'd be great to have more options for a viable comp pellet going forward. These particular ones are nothing like the original boxed prems performance or quality wise.
My rapid 17 loved them out of the box
Iv used these a fair bit and I found that there is 2 weights of pellets in 177 the 7.9 and 10.5 I had better results with the heavier for some reason, I don't know what the quality control is like these days as I'm still on old stock but I thought nothing of taking headshots with them out 50-60yrds on corvids and bunny's but prefer closer
Would be very interested to see if there is a significant improvement using the copper plated 10.6gn Crosmans.
I really really like H&N field target trophies they for me are much much better and uniformed. And my weihrauch's in .22 are very very accurate. Tethered hole at 25 yards I've shot one single hole groups of 5 at 25 yards. At 50 yards less than half of an inch with some touching.
You can still buy them in the box, N M products in Sheffield has them, great shop with loads of different types of pellets 👍
Hi Scott, do you know if the current boxed version are the same as the originals? Or is it just that they can get 1250 pellets in a box as opposed to 500 in a tin?
I've a stash of 7.9 boxed ones , newest will be a couple of years old and they're just as good as the old ones .
I use them in all my springers.
I believe the tinned ones have pellets from various dies , box ones are still one die.
Hey Tommy,
I called Crosman today an asked about the Built In America vs Made in America. All made in Bloomfield ,NY. Just a marketing change. They said if made in China or elsewhere the tin will disclose that.
What are they like, weight variation wise?
You can still buy the prems in boxes marked Die 1 from J Ramsbottom, but only the heavy ones. The tins were always worse as they are a mix of different dies. I have a few boxes of the old 7.9s that I use for 25yd springer BR in my Venom Mk2 TX, trying to use them very sparingly!
We've been donated some 15 year old boxed heavies and 7.9s to have a play with. It'll be great to do all the prep from back in the day on them and compare them against the modern tinned ones😀
I shoot these in my maxxim gen 2 and they are so good. Dime sized group at 25 yards all day. Not too light and not too heavy!!
I have used them for years
they are cheap and if you bother to clean them it makes all the difference :)
a really good budget pellet :)
These recent ones have really large seams down them mainly on just the one side, they have the same basic silhouette of the older ones,and the older accupells but they are nowhere near the same standard of build. It's a shame as I'd still be using the accupells if I could get more like my last old tin.
Depends on the barrel I think, my bsa ultra loves premier domes, they are pellet on pellet and 50yard+, but my bsa r10 hates them, almost identical barrel manufacture, yet one is a laser and the other a blind turkey shoot.
Thats rare among demonstrators in YT when testing for rifle accuracy but the right position really when trying to extract a scientific result from rifle accuracy. The prone position minimizes negative factors that are inevitable in the seating or standing firing positions. A stand/ bipod under the rifle further reinforces accuracy. Breathing, pulse, wind, elevation , distance, recoil, velocity, pellet weight,temparature, eye and mental status of shooter and angle also affects accuracy among others. In short, really can't wait to see an accuracy test for rifles and pellets where a rifle is fixed in a vise inside a controlled environment. This will. settle once and for all whether negative factor is on a particular rifle or pellet. Just saying😊
FYI - Crosman are testing prototypes of new dies - straight out the baggie they gave me to try they were quite consistent. Every bit as the AA I was shooting. That was version 4, supposedly working on version 4 now
They may make a return yet
That's interesting news, are they made in the USA? It'd be great to see some new versions as good as they used to be.. these latest tinned versions are not a patch on the originals
These are good for pest control at shorter distances. The head diameter is larger than on their 7.9 grain pellet. This is quite noticeable when loading them in a spring piston air gun.
Sheffield air rifles are selling crosman premier in the old style boxes. They only have 10.5s at the moment but they did have 7.9s available a while back. I've no idea if they're old stock or what and i have no affiliation with them whatsoever. I bought a box of 10.5s but they didn't suit my hw100 so if you would like to try them Tilly you can have them mate
Here in the States Crosman .177 7.9hp and 10.5 domed have always been the go to for small game and pest control. General rule of thumb was the 7.9 for pumpers close in and the 10.5 for springers out to 35yards. I don’t think they do well over 900 fps. or at long distance but then I don’t believe at their price point they were ever intended for competition or distance. I do believe the 7.9 in the new can, I’ve heard now made in Brazil, are of better quality now but still can be found at around 7 usd for a tin of 500 count and I’ve just reordered the 10.5 in the 1250 count box for 30 usd. We’ll see if they have improved.
i live in the US and have never seen 10.5 177 pellets, all i ever see is the 7.9 pellets although even though i have a number of 177 guns i don't shoot them, i only shoot 22 but even in though haven't seen crosman domed pellets in years, all i can get are the hollow points which by themselves aren't to great but if you drop a dab of super glue and stick a bb in the hollow point with a dab of oil in the skirt you can get some decent distance out of them but they tend to be a little on the loud side with the crack from the dieseling, will a sub 12 gun even diesel?
I just got back inside from slinging .177 monster redesigns, 13.43 grains at 854 fps; and they will argue with your title. 😂
I do still use the 10.5 grain brown box crossmans for more economical plinking. But my current tune is too hot for them beyond 30 yards.
They're manufactured in Crosman's Bloomfield, NY headquarters in the USA,
Just checked my tins of crossman pellets and the crossman pointed ones have Made in the USA on the tin but the others have Built in the USA. These are all the same age and were purchased from the same shop at the same time. This is rather confusing wouldn't you say. Be interested to hear if you are able to find out anything about this. Keep up the great work and looking forward to hearing if you can find out anything and if you are able to get any older crossman pellets and run a test against the modern ones. 👍👍👍👍
See my comment above for explantion...
@@tonyv8925hi Tony sorry but for some reason i am unable to find or see any other comments that you have posted.
I used this to my Avenger .22 and its lights out.
I just used up last two boxes of Prem's in carboard boxes, die 4, they were over 20 yrs old. Accupels were great too in the right barrel but are a looser fit and don't work in my HW98.
I use these in 7.9 gn , they are very good out to 30 - 35 yards, no damaged ones in the tin , very little swarf, and a good price from ramsbottoms, 😁👍
Here in the USA, it's considered an OK plinking pellet and not too bad for the mass market off the shelf Walmart type air guns. Those who are more serious about accuracy and consistency lean more towards the imports. JSB, H&N RWS and the like. Almost twice (sometimes more) the price but you pay for what you get. Bashing tin cans is fine but for things like HFT, target shooting or ratting where shot placement really counts, I wouldn't use them
Can't believe this, I only went out and bought a tin of these yesterday to try them out. How uncanny is that!
Brilliant in my FX Cyclone 177 the best under 15 mm at 25 y
Everyone moved onto Prems after RWS changed the antimony content in Superdomes. The 10.5gn pellet of choice back in the day was H&N Barracuda Match and it was only knocked off the top by JSB's.
I'll hunt through my old pellets and see what i can send you to test.
It's amazing how the pellets of choice have changed over the years. The h&n are still up there in some disciplines but jsb definitely have the edge at the longer ranges still(in sub 12)
It'd be great to do a vintage vs modern pellet test...
Hitting the phoenix in this wind ,with sub 12 air rifle and this distance is a good try man 👍🏻.
That was fun to watch, is that by any chance the scope i am ordering next week? The falcon endura 3,5x25x56 .. and if so, what is your thoughts about that scope? Anything to consider before ordering, choose between the element titan in 3x18x50 and the endura, thanks 🙏👍🇸🇪
Hi mate yes it's the endura on the xti. As a direct comparison the smaller element scope will have a slightly deeper depth of field, the endura is more like a lower mag ft scope. It range finds pretty well even at 25mag.
My big discovery 5-25x56 Ed PRS scope on the 9015 now is much nicer to my eyes than the 56mm titan. The endura is slightly more compact overall with good image definition and nice reticle. I couldn't fit the discovery onto the xti with readily available dovetail 34mm mounts. The endura went on lovely... If you can't try one first, I'd be inclined to go with the endura especially if you have a rifle with dovetail mounts.😉
@@tillysgunstocks thanks Mate, i was thinking on the endura for a fx panthera 700 in .30 cal for medium and long range hunting of birds and rabbirs and for longer target work 100 m and up, the panthera has pic rails, but should work with the fx no limit mount. Been looking through a endura and as a pro photographer i loved the colors and contrast, did not feel tiresome to look through, felt more like one of my L - lenses. The titan in 3x18 was on more for the elevation range of 150 moa, but the 100 the endura hosts should get me out to 300 meters with center glass/turrets
As a kid I remember seeing box’s of these everywhere. I wasn’t allowed a pellet rifle till 15.
I've just managed to buy a couple of boxes of the originals from the early 2000s and a mate has some knocking about from the 90s. It's going to be great to see if the old ones were really as good as everyone says.
@@tillysgunstocks definitely
I’m 38 now.
So when I saw them it was the 90s.
All the air riffles I saw was springers. BSA mainly.
I remember people used to say a £400 scope was extremely expensive
Times change so much.
The prems in the box was All we would use in the SM100 and RN10 in field target and it wasn't very often there would be problems with them superb pellets
I've got some original boxed prems here to test side by side the new ones. It'll be interesting to see if the originals are actually much better..
Recently, I picked up the last two tins, from a shop that was closing down.
Paid £20 for the two tins. 😎
Tilly i can let you have 50 of the original 1250 in a box 7.9 grain crossman premier i have 120 in the box but i am keeping the box and a few for memories sake from my F.T days without exception the best pellets any of us could get. They are immaculate have been stored well there if you want a try
Hi mate, I've got full original box of the heavies here, as soon as the wind dies down I'll do a proper side by side old Vs new
See how good they really were...😉
I still use the cardboard box ones in my rapid and hw100. 10.5 gn is one mm longer than the 7.9
I dial out to 70 yards with my hw100 and premiers remain stable.
I think the wind swayed the results a bit .
That wind on the farm definitely wasn't working in their favour mate, however.. I shoot in that most days. These ones in the tin are poorly formed and wild downrange. The old boxed versions are like a completely different pellet on build quality and downrange performance.
The 7.9gn accupells would run to 70yds with a good degree of consistency 😉
Quick question.
What are those mounts you are using in the XTI 50?
Hi mate, they are 34mm tier ones, got them used,off Connor, they fit the AA dovetails absolutely perfectly 😉
@@tillysgunstocks
Thank you 👍
Do you wash and lube these pellets prior to shooting them?
Not these particular ones, no amount of prep will cure the poor forming of them, they are all pretty well miss shaped. When I get some originals here to test I'll go through the full prep they used to go through years ago.
It'll be interesting to run prepped Vs straight from the tin on the originals though. When I get some, I'll do that too 😉
Used to use 7.9 prems for field target shooting
Better or worse than current stuff mate?
Any particular dies that you ran?
Much better than JSB could shoot sub 10mm groups at 55 yards with my Ripley ar5 which had a polygon barrel Steve only made a few of them with this barrel as it was too expensive mine was the one featured in airgun world I bought it from my mate Danny Dacombe who sad to say is no longer with us and we used to use die 4 they were the holy grail for us Yorkshire boys
ive a few boxes of 7.9 and 10.3 both shoot very accurately in my s400 , The ocaisionally show up on that auction site , i just buy them straight away
Wasn't it the 7.9 GRN single die boxed what they used for FT ..? Not the 10.5 grn
They were both available boxed as the original prems, later on the 7.9s were basically only available in the uk as the accupells. Having used plenty of both the boxed 10gn are the most consistent in the wind 😉
These latest ones are essentially nothing like the earlier versions in build or performance
I got a tin a while back and put them through my Daystate Huntsman Revere and the first shot went straight into the bull and the rest scattered like buckshot😂
When I started sending these pellets at FAC speeds…the accuracy I thought I once achieved is NOWHERE NEAR what many other brands have given me. Especially out past 40-50 yards. The difference between these Crosman and H&N, JSB, and FX along with as I said many others is just mind blowing. No comparison honestly. You get what you pay for. I’m not saying they are garbage but I am saying I’m not shooting them past 25 yards and only plinking…NOT HUNTING!💯😉
Hi tilly i have 50 original 7.9 grain prems from a box of 1250 unfortunately i only have 120left and I would like to keep a few in the box they are in excellent condition from my F.T day's in the 90s there if you want to play sorry there's not loads but enough to have a look
Hi mate,I've got here a full box of original heavies here now so I can do a proper side by side, original Vs new test. Just waiting patiently for a break in the wind. Its been so windy the last 6 weeks it's really frustrating.
Thank you for the offer though, I really appreciate it 😉
I have used these years ago so thought they would be as good today. How wrong was i they are nothing like they were back in the 80s. Sorry Crossman but i will not be using your pellets in the future.
I still shoot FT (AA class) using.
7.9 grain Accupel or Crosman domes.
Washed.
Then weighed.
Per tin. They have less out of spec pellets than JSB.
For me they are more consistent than JSB Exact
The older(crosman made)accupells ,despite being pretty grotty looking pellets do perform very well through most barrels. These recent premier's are nothing like the earlier versions in size,weight or build quality. They esentially look like they are using the same tooling of 20years ago. The flashing and seams are bad.
If I can get my hands on some original 90s made prems I'll do them side by side, I'll see if I can borrow a 90s ft gun too. That would be cool..
@@tillysgunstocks
I still use my Daystate CRX
or Steyr LG110FT and the modern Crosman domes or Webley Accupel.
My Weihrauch HW77 will not group with them, but it stacks RWS Super domes on top of each other.
I still have an empty Accupel box, I shot the pellets long ago, but the box is handy during the ammo prep stage.
It’s not lead they cover them with graphite to prevent oxidation
They are now renowned as a budget pellet being about half of the price of premium pellets in the USA!
_If you rifle likes them for plinking and stuff why not._
*Maybe not for field target in a fancy rifle tho! 😁*
They aren't that cheap here mate. About the same price as h&n currently. It's a no brainer really and not surprising they don't feature anywhere in major competition. Shame really...
@@tillysgunstocks in the USA those are very affordable!
A bit less here in Canada but not too bad
_But I sure wouldn't pay Jsb/ H&n pricing for them._
Still a good pellet.....maybe behind jsb. But still good
I still have a boxed version sitting in my ammo bag. If you want them let me know.
It would be Interesting to put them up against a new modern tin of them for comparison 👍
Hi mate. Have you got an idea how old they might be? I'd love to give them a test. Side by side the new ones..
That’s a really nice offer, bud.
Good on ya. 👍
@tillysgunstocks I'll have a look but at least about 5 years.
@tillysgunstocks well I have gotten them out and as the date on the bottom of the box says.....may 2016,so its entirely up to you. Just let me know one way or another.
I use them in my 510 tdr out to 35 yards. Work okay for me.
Yep I'd expect at around 35yds they would be fine. They always ran through the AA mags nicely on account of the head shape too
Is that Ian kirk wat was in army 30 odd years ago...eg northern Ireland...
The .22 version out of my benjamin akela are superb. Only the H&N Barracuda Match groups better from that gun
Clean and run through a sizer and as good as anything else
"as a young lad, through the 1990s".
Boy do I feel old. 😟
Sorry mate 😞
Did you notice where I referenced the older ft guns as nearly antique...😆
My crossman icon hates crossman pellets I use JSB
These 10.5 gr pellets perform poorly in all my pellet rifles. The 7.9gr round heads, however perform quite well. Also, of note, Crosman is now contracting from Chyna their 7.4gr pointed pellets. These pellets perform horrible in all my air rifles...shoot pattersn instead of groups. You can tell which tin is from Chyna and the other in USA by looking at the top of the tin...Chyna--blue circle around the top with words and a red white black bulls eye in the middle. The USA made pellets/tin is the traditional red over blue with a picture of the pellet in the middle. I am deeply disappointed that the bean counters at Crosman are destroying a long traditional quality products company...I have been a user of Crosman products since the 60's.
I appreciate the spirit of this but the verdict on accuracy really should not be applied here at all. With all that wind as a variable... it's really pushing those little pellets around.
You have a very nice setting for a shooting range.
Nothing wrong with that, I can see
I used to buy them in a cardboard box. Back in the day when the njr100 rained king in field target shooting
I reckon a lof of viewers might think it's all click bait. But I remember them being so rediculously accurate mate.
@tillysgunstocks I've been looking for them since I bought another rifle a few years back. I didn't know these were the same pellets, only in a tin instead of a box !
The pellets were filthy back then too mate, I remember me mam shouting at me for using her kitchen sieve to clean the pellets with washing up liquid and hot water. Then moaning at me for using her towels and hair dryer to dry the pellets off before giving them a squirt of pellet lube ! Ahhh, the good old day indeed mate 👍
Is a OK pellet...more to de price/quality side...H&N and JSB are far better...also more money
I have some of the originals from the 1990s here to test against the new versions. It will be great to see if they are still as good as the old ones. The old ones are almost legendary in the target scene 😉
@@tillysgunstocks right now the quality control as dropped, the lead is hard and they have imperfections
Ha! Just got my first air rifle two weeks ago (Reximex Lyra) and asked for some suitable pellets and got these exact pellets.
Edit. Its that bloody awful gun you're using 🤣
I bought way too many of them based on their past reputation. They're pretty bad. Some slip right into the bore, while others are an extremely tight fit, right out of the same tin.
You are using the wrong pellet - the Tins are garbage, you need to test the 10.5gr BOXED pellets (1250/box) these are superb quality and come from individual dies.
Nope they are not uniformed enough they come in different sizes and weights so they are not the most accurate. Maybe .177 are better but not .22
If those squares are just under 5mm each, then two of them is just under *HALF* of a centimeter.
What 5mm is half a cm so 2 of them squares 1cm (just under) what you smokin it must be good🤔🤔🤔
@@ste6004 Apologise, you're right. I was thinking in inches.
I did say I was old. 🙂
Your disappointed in those !!! You should have had MY Crossman premiers a few years back , son bought me two boxes in .20 for my weihrauch , wouldn't even push through into the breech ( and yes it was a .20 not a .177 ) had to buy a sizer and size EVERY goddam one .. thats right EVERY one .. 1250 in total .. my fingers were as sore as a bears arse after he'd wiped it on nettles in the woods ... DON'T BUY AMERICAN PELLETS .. and it duz say " made in the US.of.A on the boxes ... work ok now .. but nowhere near as baracuda's from H&N
Regarding Made/Built, I bought these two tins, from the same shop, no more than 5 years apart. 😕
i.ibb.co/584ZqV8/premier09072023.jpg