The sheer scarcity and sophistication of that tool kinda reinforces my notion that any half-decent disc tumbler lock is better than any pin tumbler lock, though.
100%, I've been learning and practising picking recently, pin tumblers are pretty basic for me at this point but I haven't been able to crack a disc detainer yet. Granted I don't have the special pick but I do have a basic pick for disc detainers.
Nickel is magnetic. Along with iron and cobalt. Also the nickel coating may have been thick. The only lock picking experience i have is ordering a lock picking set from the internet, however I know my metals Damn I sound like an ass
I can see why you lockpick, I have picked my first masterlock in the back of a truck that was turning a lot with only paper clips. I was on a 10 minute timer to make the picks out of the paper clips and pick it, not to mention it was on something heavy so hard to move around. Overall it was very fun, and it makes me want to invest in real lockpicks and harder locks.
I recently bought two stainless steel 'resysta' Gerda padlocks (50mm and 30mm). The keyways look quite roomy, but the pins are pointed, so pretty tricky to pick as most of my picks slip off the tip of the pins (except the sparrows hook with the dimple on the tip -but that won't fit around the warding on all 6 pins on the 50mm and won't even fit in the keyway on the 30mm). So Im very impressed with them both as general casual use medium security locks
It's easy in theory. In practice, security pins and tricky warding make many licks a real bear to open. Remember, you're watching one of the best lockpickers in the world working under ideal conditions. In practice, something like this might be enough to convince any would-be thief that the next storage locker and its Master No. 3 would be an easier target.
Ive never picked a lock in my life, and dont think i ever will, but i still find ypur videos really interesting. Im just curious if you close your eyes when you pick locks.
@@Anonymouspock We do see more of it. Nickel plating is not that rare. It's just like chrome plating but not quite as shiny. And possibly more durable depending on conditions. Protects the underlying metal from corrosion. Not really necessary for brass so here it must be more of an aesthetic choice. Chrome plating is still more common though because some people are allergic to nickel.
I feel like gerda contracted a company called "Secure" to make this. The core is exactly the same as the "secure" branded disc detainer locks I find at the dollar store. They also make Master No. 3 rip offs that are actually laminated WARDED locks.
Hey LPL, I've wondered about the security by obscurity of this disc deteiners locks, since just you and Bill have the adequate tools for picking it, what are the chances of someone picking one of those without them? I have one cheap chinese copy of that feature on the video on my bike
It's really more of a combination lock, if that makes sense. It just has a lot more dials with fewer positions, and operated by a key instead of manually lining up the dials.
I didn't see anything on the website stating it was nickle plated brass. Just that it had a "nickel plated body". Or in the case of this particular model "Massive nickel plated body"
Years ago Gerda had some nice, good quality products, on par with another polish producer, LOB (now part of Assa Abloy, unfortunately). Some time ago, however, I believe mid 2000, they either started outsourcing production or selling branded products, because quality dropped significantly since then. Now I don't recommend their products, whether padlock, lock or doors, except one product. It is the reminder of "good old days" - TYTAN ZX lock, very good quality, massive lock. We had two of them installed on garage doors (without weather cap) and one of them rusted. We had to cut doors to gain access... Bosnianbill tried opening one, he didn't beat it. Maybe you could give it a try?
I looks like this lock has the weakness of all the early DD Chinese cores; you can lever off the core retainer disk with a screwdriver. Does it have the bypass able plastic actuator too?
English version below. Apel do ludzi z Polski: Zbierzmy się, wyślijmy LPL kilka różnych zamków, kłódek i wkładek Gerdy. Cena wysyłki do USA może przerażać, ale w grupie damy radę. Wpisujcie się poniżej! Appeal to people from Poland. Let's gather and send LPL few different locks, padlocks, cores from Gerda. Cost of shipping to US may be frightening, but in group we can do it. Comment bellow!
I feel like gerda contracted a company called "Secure" to make this. The core is exactly the same as the "secure" branded disc detainer locks I find at the dollar store. They also make Master No. 3 rip offs that are actually laminated WARDED locks.
Depends on the price. Gerda has a line of low-security 'budget' products, besides the 'extra-secure' ones. And even a very basic disc detainer lock will stop most amateur thieves.
Hey, nice take on a Gerda lock! I'd want to ask you something, though. Do you think you would be able to get your hands on a Gerda Tytan ZX Plus? I've been using this lock for well over 15 - 20 years now and I've never had any problem with it. I was always wondering if this lock could be picked in any way. I'd really love that, thanks!
I have a Chinese shed lock, guarding only a mower, that is exactly the same as this but 'brass' , the brass has rust spots on it , at least the keys are stainless.
There's a trailer hitch lock here in Australia made by BiLock. But it's only 6 pins instead of 12 and it's still not cheap. Abloy Protec has a good rep but they're very expensive.
@@xganterx Indeed it would, i have a tiny vertical gym locker padlock and a huge ass class 4 shipping container lock with their old core, it is an incredible hassle to use just cause of the difficulty aligning the key right to go inside
LPL, while I have no doubt you are a highly talented picker, I’d like to see these picks in an environment the locks would be used. I ask only because some locks may be more difficult or impossible while in use. On the workbench you may have an advantage not available in use.
And that’s the point I’m trying to make. While on a hasp he would have a similar approach but on my gang box at work I think picking would be much more difficult.
Hi LPL, just a question, if the lock has say, 6 discs that need picking and you are using disc 1 to tension the core why do you not have to pick that first disc? I hope it’s not a stupid question
I'm looking for a gym locker lock, I just got broken into with a dolor store letter turny lock. I'm ready to upgrade guys, what's the safest lock for a gym locker room lock? I was considering a HYT Chain Key... Thank you all.
The consensus seems to be that they are cheaply made in China now. There's a comment a few up from this one of yours that mentions what they're been doing in the past few years.
I'm Polish, and i've laughed. That's a good one. And about intelligence - we have many top-tier thinkers in Poland. But still ordinary citizens, fell for a new trends of stupid being cool and easy. That's sad, but it's like that.
Truth is.... how many purple could pick a disk detainer lock? Even cheapo ones take a moderate amount of skill. That lock looks nice and beefy with its 70mm body and 12mm shackle. Out would be enough to put most people off.
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To be honest any lock that takes you more than 30 seconds to pick I consider to be decent at this point! lol
The sheer scarcity and sophistication of that tool kinda reinforces my notion that any half-decent disc tumbler lock is better than any pin tumbler lock, though.
100%, I've been learning and practising picking recently, pin tumblers are pretty basic for me at this point but I haven't been able to crack a disc detainer yet. Granted I don't have the special pick but I do have a basic pick for disc detainers.
>makes disc detainer pick
>picks all the disk detainer locks
Not Abloy
Hearing those tumblers go "click" is like watching a chiropractic video. No wonder I'm addicted to these vids.
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Nickel is magnetic. Along with iron and cobalt.
Also the nickel coating may have been thick.
The only lock picking experience i have is ordering a lock picking set from the internet, however I know my metals
Damn I sound like an ass
yes, yes you do
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No, you don't.
Nickel doesn't dissolve into copper, that's one of the reasons why it is used in ENIG platings (copper -> nickel -> gold).
Nah man. Not at all. I had no idea nickel is magnetic. I would have bet money and my first born that is wasn’t.
Thanks to your Video‘s
I got the Basic Theorie of Lockpicking, and that Safed my day.
Greetings from Germany
This channel is a passion project
How do the keys compare to other Gerda locks you have? That may be a clue to whether or not the lock is made by them or came out of China.
your nice and short videos are perfect for procrastination
Nice video, as always! I love your channel, LPL!
Just picked this type of lock the shutter vision. Great job.
I can see why you lockpick, I have picked my first masterlock in the back of a truck that was turning a lot with only paper clips. I was on a 10 minute timer to make the picks out of the paper clips and pick it, not to mention it was on something heavy so hard to move around. Overall it was very fun, and it makes me want to invest in real lockpicks and harder locks.
looked pretty impressive in the preview :D
Locks made of mystery metal beg to be destroyed.
Great picking as always . thanks again!
I recently bought two stainless steel 'resysta' Gerda padlocks (50mm and 30mm). The keyways look quite roomy, but the pins are pointed, so pretty tricky to pick as most of my picks slip off the tip of the pins (except the sparrows hook with the dimple on the tip -but that won't fit around the warding on all 6 pins on the 50mm and won't even fit in the keyway on the 30mm). So Im very impressed with them both as general casual use medium security locks
Both you and BosnianBill are awasome !
Awesome disk pick my friend.
Wow! I can almost see you in the shackle!
It seems locks need a revolution. The same old tension, set pins, then unlock looks frighteningly easy.
It's easy in theory. In practice, security pins and tricky warding make many licks a real bear to open. Remember, you're watching one of the best lockpickers in the world working under ideal conditions. In practice, something like this might be enough to convince any would-be thief that the next storage locker and its Master No. 3 would be an easier target.
That tool is epic.
Hello LPL! How many takes do you typically do on a video like this? Ever run into any locks that you got unlucky with and had to re-shoot?
Making tools together...very cool! Love your vids!
Ive never picked a lock in my life, and dont think i ever will, but i still find ypur videos really interesting. Im just curious if you close your eyes when you pick locks.
Pozdrowienia z Polski :)))!
This is the Lockpicking Loooouyouuur
Episode [1000] show us ALL the locks you have
Picking locks is like the adult fidget spinner
Noż kurwa mać Gerda! :)
I have one. I thought that it was better than others padlocks because of the higher price 😉
I should note that nickel is actually one of the three common ferromagnetic materials, the other two being iron, and cobalt.
But why would you make something out of nickel? It doesn't strike me as being cheaper, otherwise we would see more of it.
@@Anonymouspock We do see more of it. Nickel plating is not that rare. It's just like chrome plating but not quite as shiny. And possibly more durable depending on conditions. Protects the underlying metal from corrosion. Not really necessary for brass so here it must be more of an aesthetic choice. Chrome plating is still more common though because some people are allergic to nickel.
I feel like gerda contracted a company called "Secure" to make this. The core is exactly the same as the "secure" branded disc detainer locks I find at the dollar store. They also make Master No. 3 rip offs that are actually laminated WARDED locks.
A lockpicking montage would be cool
Its a beautiful lock. BUT not very effective for the price. Amazing job as always. You make it look super simple.
Darrell G sure, as long as you have a one of a kind custom made lock pick....
Hey LPL, I've wondered about the security by obscurity of this disc deteiners locks, since just you and Bill have the adequate tools for picking it, what are the chances of someone picking one of those without them? I have one cheap chinese copy of that feature on the video on my bike
Disc detainer is just a fancy lever lock
It's really more of a combination lock, if that makes sense. It just has a lot more dials with fewer positions, and operated by a key instead of manually lining up the dials.
I didn't see anything on the website stating it was nickle plated brass. Just that it had a "nickel plated body". Or in the case of this particular model "Massive nickel plated body"
Lock picking lawyer I want to see you picking abloy disc detainer lock those are my favorite padlocks.
The Protec II? I've only seen one person do that. And he made a special tool to do it.
Would you be able to go over any gerda locks you may have in your collection?
Years ago Gerda had some nice, good quality products, on par with another polish producer, LOB (now part of Assa Abloy, unfortunately). Some time ago, however, I believe mid 2000, they either started outsourcing production or selling branded products, because quality dropped significantly since then. Now I don't recommend their products, whether padlock, lock or doors, except one product. It is the reminder of "good old days" - TYTAN ZX lock, very good quality, massive lock. We had two of them installed on garage doors (without weather cap) and one of them rusted. We had to cut doors to gain access... Bosnianbill tried opening one, he didn't beat it. Maybe you could give it a try?
Someone would need to send him one.
Is there any chance you could do a video showing the different kinds of key locks? I.e. pins, disc detainers, dimples, etc?
What's your opinion on cyberlock? have you tried one of those locks yet?
iv been a subscriber long enuff to see you can pick anything. if you were picking out a padlock based on all your knowledge which one would u pick?
See his Top Ten video on padlocks.
Nickel and Colbalt are Ferromagnetic as well as Iron
I looks like this lock has the weakness of all the early DD Chinese cores; you can lever off the core retainer disk with a screwdriver. Does it have the bypass able plastic actuator too?
Is there a video for how you guys went about making that disk detainer pick?
English version below.
Apel do ludzi z Polski: Zbierzmy się, wyślijmy LPL kilka różnych zamków, kłódek i wkładek Gerdy. Cena wysyłki do USA może przerażać, ale w grupie damy radę.
Wpisujcie się poniżej!
Appeal to people from Poland. Let's gather and send LPL few different locks, padlocks, cores from Gerda. Cost of shipping to US may be frightening, but in group we can do it.
Comment bellow!
this lock is depressing with the gerda stamp on it, would have expected far better from them
I feel like gerda contracted a company called "Secure" to make this. The core is exactly the same as the "secure" branded disc detainer locks I find at the dollar store. They also make Master No. 3 rip offs that are actually laminated WARDED locks.
Depends on the price. Gerda has a line of low-security 'budget' products, besides the 'extra-secure' ones. And even a very basic disc detainer lock will stop most amateur thieves.
It really seems like a Chinese knockoff of the real Gerda padlock. I wonder whether Gerda knows about it.
Pretty sure this was a Chinese bootleg
well remember he's using a custom disk detainer pick. few thieves would have something like that. only a real pro would.
Where did you get the lock from? My first thought is that it might be a counterfeit.
You must try gerda zircon or lob tantal and i think not only pick but try to open forcefully
Hey, nice take on a Gerda lock! I'd want to ask you something, though.
Do you think you would be able to get your hands on a Gerda Tytan ZX Plus? I've been using this lock for well over 15 - 20 years now and I've never had any problem with it.
I was always wondering if this lock could be picked in any way. I'd really love that, thanks!
You may have to send him one.
I have a lock I think I'll never be able to pick. May I send it to you for a video?
I think you should do a pick attack then brute force attack with bolt cropper and grinder
I have a Chinese shed lock, guarding only a mower, that is exactly the same as this but 'brass' , the brass has rust spots on it , at least the keys are stainless.
The' brass' is probably paint. The cheaper Chinese ones are pot metal painted to look like brass.
Nice one... Where to get that pick? Thx
Ok. So I have seen a few videos on padlocks and trailer locks if they are all crap what does a person buy? Is there any recommendations? Please?
There's a trailer hitch lock here in Australia made by BiLock. But it's only 6 pins instead of 12 and it's still not cheap. Abloy Protec has a good rep but they're very expensive.
Brass or S Steel. Who provide better reliablity.
Now that you have a proper tool, do you think it's time you took a crack at the ABUS Diskus 20 series?
What do you think about assa abloy Phillips 250?
Can you please try to get ahold of a finnish ABLOY lock? The older version, the keys are half circle shaped
That would be interesting.
Its called Abloy Classic.
@@xganterx Indeed it would, i have a tiny vertical gym locker padlock and a huge ass class 4 shipping container lock with their old core, it is an incredible hassle to use just cause of the difficulty aligning the key right to go inside
He got around to the Abloy Classic in July, 2019 at (921). Don't know its age.
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Is it possible to pick disk locks with a flag pick for example? Or any other type of pick besides this tool?
in the lock's defense, note the time: 2:52
Like the joker says about Batman "where does he get these wonderful tools"
Can you please show how to pick with normal picking tools like what you would find in a starter pack or beginners set
he has many times, a simple pick job i done with just a regular hook and a regular tension bar, IE 90%% of his videos.
Was happy to hear post malone and Joe rogan talking about you. Did you get some new subs from that?
Hello! I have been thinking about getting into lockpicking recently, and was curious what a good starting lock, and pick set would be?
www.sparrowslockpicks.com/kick_start_p/s0.htm
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Is there a lock that you couldn't pick? If so, which one?
hey i would like to know which kind of tools u are using
How long would it take u to pick it without the fancy tool??
LPL, while I have no doubt you are a highly talented picker, I’d like to see these picks in an environment the locks would be used. I ask only because some locks may be more difficult or impossible while in use. On the workbench you may have an advantage not available in use.
He's holding it in his hand. Out in the street, they'd be attached to something.
And that’s the point I’m trying to make. While on a hasp he would have a similar approach but on my gang box at work I think picking would be much more difficult.
Any word yet about those picks being produced?
I used tohad a lock, i was like knocking it. I just put it on my gate and gave a knock and it opened. I think because theres grease
Have you ever tried to pick an abloy classic lock? Should be tricky to pick. Also for more challenge you should try any newer abloy locks.
Any chance of seeing you pick a lock with a paper clip, just like they do in the movies?
Mike Stanfill he already has one with hairpins and I doubt a paper clip would be able to tension well
@@KhenbishM I mean I would have thought a condom wrapper wouldn't tension well but he done did it in the Valentine's Day clip.
Can you pry the bottom out of that lock?
Im from poland and i have one on my garage doors 🤣
Hi LPL, just a question, if the lock has say, 6 discs that need picking and you are using disc 1 to tension the core why do you not have to pick that first disc? I hope it’s not a stupid question
It still needs to be rotated into position.
Is there a lock you have failed to pick?
I’ve heard him mention that he hasn’t been able to get a few in some videos before, like his top ten nastiest keyways one.
The first question is how did you get that disk.... Something That tool
How hard is it to pick without a special tool??
LPL can you please pick my wife's mind? I can't ever get in and understand how it works.
scratch the surface a little to see what's underneath
Just throw the whole wife out and try again
Don't know about her mind but with the disc detainer tool LPL made with BB he will have no problem picking her nose.
@@Gribbo9999 :U
Can't pick a beaver?
I'm looking for a gym locker lock, I just got broken into with a dolor store letter turny lock.
I'm ready to upgrade guys, what's the safest lock for a gym locker room lock?
I was considering a HYT Chain Key...
Thank you all.
Watching LPL defeat these disc detainers....I need further instruction
Is there a video where I can learn what different things mean, such as when you say a thing is binding?
Yes, check Dark Arts Lock Picking's channel. He's been making a series of beginner videos about things like that.
Isn't nickel magnetic?
If this is cheap pot metal I would have expected LPL to try some kind of brute force attack after picking it. Prove what is suspected.
I'll take any excuse to have him grab the Ramset again.
Any questions? How about what lock do i buy if i don't want to get robbed? LOL
A better one than the guy next to you has. That's really your only chance/need. Thieves go for the easier target, every time.
Have you done any videos for a krypto combination bicycle lock?
Check Potti's channel. He does lots of vids on combination locks.
How can I get one of your disk retainer picks get tool and video
Counterfeit?
Amazed to see the Gerda name on this!! Is it a knock-off?
The consensus seems to be that they are cheaply made in China now. There's a comment a few up from this one of yours that mentions what they're been doing in the past few years.
Hey LPL can you try picking GERDA tubular door locks? They are very common in Poland and unlike anything I saw on this channel.
You would need to send him one. I doubt he can read Polish nor know where to find one.
Bosnian bill próbował i nie dał rady ;] czcams.com/video/tLeiPmfm-2s/video.html
Time for a plumbing torch meltdown
Or the Ramset. :)
Reminds me of an old joke.
How did the Germans invade Poland?
They marched in backwards and said we're leaving.
@@paulelderson934 Maybe, but still above others who tried to break Enigma codes xD
I am a German.
I'm Polish, and i've laughed. That's a good one.
And about intelligence - we have many top-tier thinkers in Poland. But still ordinary citizens, fell for a new trends of stupid being cool and easy. That's sad, but it's like that.
Where can i buy all These Tools?
Yo where can I get one of those tools lol
I'd love to see you open and comment on Gerda Titan - your friend Bosniabill has one and he failed to open it. Maybe you could?
This lock is a legend in Poland - probably saved thousands of houses from burglars.
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Can you take the core apart
Yes... if I wanted to destroy the lock.
Truth is.... how many purple could pick a disk detainer lock?
Even cheapo ones take a moderate amount of skill. That lock looks nice and beefy with its 70mm body and 12mm shackle. Out would be enough to put most people off.