Low Angle Plane Shootout! What's the best value?
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Which low-angle jack plane is the best value? I check out planes by Stanley, Veritas, and Tay.
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Rex, I appreciate the fact that you decline to shill for tool companies, and you don’t accept gifts from them. I feel that it keeps your reviews and recommendations honest.
Thank you! I appreciate that!
That's literally his trademark
@@oliverdelica2289 I do not think "literally" means what you think it means.
@@RainDog222222 Dont be pretentious. He was just complimenting Rex's channels honesty. You knew what he meant.
@@g.pblack507 Yes, he meant NOT "literally" but figuratively. And beyond all that, he was simply making a light-hearted joke...the literal opposite of pretentiousness. o:)
Great video as always Rex. I would like to mention the two blade centring screws on the Veritas so it always feeds the blade straight with no twist when adjusting depth of cut. Incidentally, the Veritas low angle plane was the first brand new plane I ever purchased and I cried twice. Once for the cost, and then it was tears of joy when I first used it. I ran upstairs to show my wife the ultra thin shaving I made, like I was coming home from school with an A+ in math...
Y'know, if you have a drill press you could always drill & tap the sides of the Stanley for hex socket set screws that will do exactly what the ones on the Veritas do. Just have them long enough to do the job, but not long enough to stick out above the surfaces of the sides when applying pressure so you can still use it on its side on a shooting board. Don't know what size set screws Veritas uses, but I'm sure you can figure it out.
Breakfast time, watching the vid. I get up to make a tea and my two year old in the background bellows " look daddy, a fairy! " made her morning Rex. Thank you for the great content
Saved me the time buying the Taytools I appreciate that! Good humor in this video too!
I hit almost complete set of old Stanley bench plane and I love it every single one
Great review. I love the no nonsense approach. Very well done. I am really new to hand tool wood working and this sure helps. thanks!
I have learned so much from your show. Especially about planes. Thank you. I also have a shop fairy that sings.
I have the Veritas 62 1/2 LA Jack . It is an amazing piece of kit . Used it for 5 years now . it is practically my goto plane .Especially the PMV11 blade.
Great video and I appreciate your realist view of wood working. Many of your peers just use all the fancy tools we can’t afford or don’t have space for in our shop.
I just wanna say, in my research phase of setting up my first dedicated workspace I've circled back to a number of your vids multiple times. There's enough info in them that I am still picking up things on the subsequent rewatches. Also your brand of humor & blunt delivery helps.
I am just in love with your videos, they are so real and practical, thank you
Thanks Rex. I was looking for a low angle and you helped me the most. I come to your site because I know you will give me the information I need straight up.
I use to do basic carpentry and wood working years ago, find your vids very entertaining, easy to watch and I have learnt afew things to, keep up the good work!
I purchased the Veritas 62 over a year ago and it is just a joy to use every time I pick it up. Yes, it's on the pricey side but well worth it. I don't regret spending the money for one moment.
SO LT how bout the tool fairies? Aren't they a nuisance?
Great and helpful review. Thanks for taking the time and effort to share this.
Rex,
Thank you for the great video.....as a beginner woodworker, I appreciate the detailed information you consistently provide on your channel.
I needed to get an additional, larger plane for larger projects (I only have one other plane, a TayTools low angle block plane) so I purchased the Stanley Low angle Jackplane that was part of your review, keeping my fingers crossed it would work well for my needs and I wouldn't be sorry I did not purchased the Veritas.
The Sweetheart plane was not especially flat, but about 10 minutes of work on my diamond stones and it became "more flat" than it was before. LOL. I intentionally did not look at the edge on the really thick blade, because my OCD would have required me to sharpen it using my Veritas Jig. I made some cursory adjustments to the blade depth and straightness, then shoved it down a 1.5" piece of Birch and then a 1" thick scrap of Padouk.
The ease and quality of the cut was much better than I had hoped for. The sound when planning was like a sheet of computer paper being sliced by a plane blade or chisel when I am drinking beer showing my friends, wife or anyone that will listen, how sharp my hand tools are. That sound was and continues to be, music to my ears.
Anyway, thank you for pointing out how good this plane is.....especially for the money.
Keep up the good work sir.
Mark Nicholson
Former, US Army - EFMB,
Combat Medical Specialist
1/94 FA MLRS
I always learn something new watching your videos, even if its not your topic!
I finally bought sweetheart low angle jack plane last week, and sharpened the blade over the weekend. I am in love with this plane. When I glued up my bench top, I did not pay attention to grain direction, and they are all over the place. This plane eats it as breakfast.
I picked up the Stanley SW No. 62 from Home Depot online for $113 shipping and tax included. Ordered Jan 1, received on Jan 3.
Just tried it out. This plane is great. It bears repeating - this plane is great. Thank you Rex!
Rex, outstanding job. Thank you so much for the great, very well presented content. Ordered the Stanley from your link. I had been waiting and this video was the clincher for me. So, Thank You so much for your time and effort in putting out your content. Watched several and subscribed. Looking forward to following you moving forward. Thanks again and God Bless.
Thanks for the advice. Bought the Stanley and works fine.
I enjoy the humor (and wisdom).
Set quirky factor to 1000! All ahead full! Love this side of Rex.
Thanks Rex, another fine and informative video
Hi Rex, my stanley has just been delivered today! thanks from england
Veritas make some stunning tools! I love everything I've bought of theirs.
THIS is the review I was looking for!!!! THANK YOU!!!!
I own a Veritas low angle jack plane and I absolutely love it. I salt money away, then try to make my big-dollar purchases at a show, when they offer a little bit of a discount. I have not so much as a moment's regret about spending the money.
Excellent display. Tks
Thank you Patreon’s! I’m not sure how many more channels I can support!
I LOVE this video! It's one of my favorites.
Great video, I love the comedy in these videos
Great shootout. I think you covered the relevant range just great.
Thank you!
Excellent review.
I really appreciate your objective, no punches pulled reviews. I used to buy old Stanleys and tune them as users. When I got my first veritas plane, the low angle jack, I had the same reservations as you, worrying I’d scratch it if I looked at it sideways. That quickly gave way to it being the first plane I reached for even when I didn’t need a plane... Non of the Stanleys I own are as much a joy to use, or perform as well. They are slowly getting replaced one by one with veritas planes because imho that extra price is worth it. Just my 2 cents.
Similar story in my small workshop. I had planes from Dictum which are a good start into handtool woodworking. After I could use a friends No. 7 low angel from Veritas I started to replace my planes from Dictum. As Rex and you said, at the beginning I'm very carefully with the Veritas planes, but after some time I use them without thinking about the price. ;-)
Thanks REx. Great video. Veritas makes lovely kit.
Great vid... Thankyou.
I really enjoy your plane videos. I have been a woodworker all my life and have a large collection of planes. Still a few gaps that I want to fill including a low angle jack
perfect review
First video of yours I’ve seen. Interesting. If I was a professional woodworker, I’d buy the best. But being a weekend warrior, my Stanley Sweat heart collection of planes and chisels suits me well...no complaints.
Very informative review on the Veritas. Have had only two Veritas planes from more than 12 years ago, now I “want” more Veritas!
Great review and hilarious to boot!
Honest review, pesky fairies, and good humor. What more could a viewer want.
Nudity? Nah, probably not.
excellent video.
I was looking for a review on the Tay tools plane, I appreciate your vids
Wow what a great and thoughtful review. Rex, you’re an ally to woodworkers with less of a budget! If I spring for any tools I’ll be sure to try and go through any affiliate links you might have. Thanks again!
Many thanks. Mind you, I still really like my Marples bladed planes.
man, I love your channel. keep posting!
Will do!
Thanks for the video. I have been contemplating a low angle plane for a while now and think I might try the Axminster one or the Stanley so thanks again, keep up the good work. PS. We have Cornish Pixies over here and they do the same stuff but with more mischief.
Good review, tool fairies...nice touch.
Thanks for this review, Rex. I love the comparison methodology and I feel I can trust your independence and your track record in using hand tools. Based on your video, I just purchased the Stanley via your affiliate Home Depot link. This will be my first proper venture into hand planing!
I finally put in some OT at my day-job (actually night shift) and sprang for the Veritas. The price is comparable to Wood River or Lie Nielsen, but there are a variety of blades available, upon which to blow even more money. I haven't bought any extra blades, yet, but the plane itself has been a joy to use. I still want to buy a 5 1/2, someday, but this will serve nicely, for now, and I think it's versatility will be valuable even after I have all the bench planes I desire.
Best plane I've used, can so much with them.
Thank you for sharing. This is my first time even see one used. Looks like I should go for a Stanley. $150 will take sometime to get though. Thanks for sharing.
It's only around 125 through amazon and less though Home Depot.
@@RexKrueger Must be on the web site for Home Depot. I will check it out. Or maybe my wife can get it for my for Christmas. Thanks.
Your right
You shouldn’t get scared with the tools that you bought and not to put in display
a veritas/lee valley loving new sub here! after decades of struggling with soso antiques, i broke down and bought a couple of veritas planes. angles sang and the earth moved.
joking aside, one thing to remember is that veritas and lie nielson are both made in north america, L N in the us and veritas are made in canada. that is a big deal to me
WOW! I was ready to send my Veritas back because it didn't play music! I'm glad you told us about the shop fairies! I can't say positively, but there are several blades available for the Veritas with different angles. It probable that one of those blades might have solved the tear out problem you had. The blades, of course, are not free. Veritas did another smart thing when they made their low angle smoothing plane in that they made it big enough to use all the same blades they make for their LA jackplane. Thanks for the video.
Ditto I have a collection of Veritas planes love em. Have no trouble plaining against the grain even in Western Australia Tuart with the correct blade angle that is sharp and throat closed to about 1/32 ". Tuart is notorious difficult to work.
@@murraypotts924 I'll take your word for the Tuart. I'd never even heard of it before. I think the Veritas L A jack is the only Veritas plane I own. In conventional planes, most of mine are made by Millers Falls. They are, for the most part, copies of Stanley planes although they have a better lever cap. Some, but not all have aftermarket blades. Lately. the plane I reach for first is the Miller's Falls No. 15 which is fifteen inches long and comparable to the Stanley no. 5 1/2. Millers Falls went out of business in the mid 1960s. I don't know if they were ever sold outside of the U.S. and Canada.
Thanks for the thorough review. Got me off the fence.
I bought my stanley 62 a year ago after the same analysis and comparison with the premiums. A year ago you were saying that bevel up planes were luxury, and that bailey styles planes could do the same thing. Only the dumb one won't change his mind. Thank you for all your work and honest opinions. I never miss a video. Salutations from France
I still do think they're a luxury, but they sure are nice!
Awesome video Rex !!!!!!!!!!! I need to get one of those Stanley Low Angle Planes.
I think you'll be happy if you do!
Thanks Rex! Very good video. You have a really good channel.
I appreciate that!
I thought this was an excellent video. Thanks
I don't have the time or desire to rebuild old stuff and try to make it work again so dragging and old Stanly or whatever out of the trash and make it work is out of the question for me. That said I tried the Veritas at the Woodworkers Show 3 or 4 times and never got to use one that some kid hadn't tried to plane the concrete floor and twisted every adjustment on it to the point that they were like the Stanly in the trash pile. I did get to a hand tool event last spring to see the Lie-Nielsen. Everything was sharp, set up and there was someone there who was a woodworker (not someone from accounting) to help you try anything. I fell in love with the Lie-Nelsen 62 and bought it on the spot. When it was delivered I pulled it out of the box and wiped off the excess oil, flattened the back of the blades ( less than 60 seconds each) honed a primary bevel on a blade, put it in the plane and it was working as beautifly in my shop as it did at the show. that's worth the extra money to me.
Thank You !
Your handmade specimen looks "the goods", I would have expected it to be nearly as good as the Stanley. Love to know why it was so easily outclassed>
I don't know if you ever saw it but he also had a video where he compared his handmade plane to the Stanley: czcams.com/video/tKurALHFDPI/video.html
I *so* loved this video - totally freakin' brilliant!! :) And you had me laughin' me arse off in bits, too LOL
A fun amd honest review. I have never usrd s low angle plane once , but i watched the whole review because it was SO WATCHABLE! Don't think i will buy one though!
Also! Heard about folks getting Stanley’s that were out of square…. So I bought 3 to return 2. 2 of these 3 happened to be out of square. (I’m assuming I just got unlucky with these 3 …or, barely lucky enough) …super happy with the 3rd!!
… possibly a useful approach.
Cheers!!
Good video buddy
The shop fairies bit was priceless. LOL.
Gotta admit that the first video of yours I watched was about a year or so ago. Didn't like your presentation back then, and it was a while before I bothered watching another one. I've definitely changed my mind, though. You kind of grew on me. :-) You have a very honest style that is very refreshing. Keep up the good work.
I have the Veritas LA jack and love it. One very nice feature you didn't touch on was the tiny little screws at the front of the blade that keep that end of the blade able to go back in exactly the same side-to-side position when you put it back after sharpening. It's a small thing, but darn convenient and a genius move on their part.
Great job comparing the planes, covering pretty much all the pertinent issues. I was surprised to see the Taytools was so bad. Always thought their stuff was supposed to be good.
I'm glad I've converted you; I know my style isn't for everyone!
1. As stated in another comment, you get a new blade and hone it at a higher angle and you, essentially, have a new plane. Don't buy the higher angle blades. Just get the standard 25 degree blade and hone it at 33 for an effective 45 degree angle. Get another and hone it at 45 for a high angle (52). Get one of the toothed blades for really difficult grain.
2. Veritas has a set of low angle planes: jack, jointer and smoother. They all use the same blades, so get the whole set. Set up each of the three blades at different angles (low, standard, high) and you really have nine planes.
3. You never talked about the side set screws. I use them to make super fine adjustments to the side to side angle of the blade. It's much finer than using the Norris adjuster, so you can get the blade perfectly parallel to the mouth. And then it keeps it from moving, which is really important when skewing the plane.
4. Get the PMV blades!
5. Seriously? You're afraid to use an expensive tool? What's up with that? An extra $100 over the course of 10 years is $10 a year. That's seat cushion money.
The old woodworker saying is, "Get your second tool first because you're going to get it anyway." Get the most expensive tool you can afford. You won't regret it.
Such a true statement (2nd tool 1st)!!! Then substitute "best" for "most expensive" and you've nailed it. Most expensive is not always the best.
I have a Taytools plane, it was my very first one. If I would’ve known when first starting out, that precision is just about EVERYTHING, I would’ve thought a little harder on that purchase.
Don’t get me wrong, it works just fine. But everything about it is off. The sole wasn’t flat, sides not 90*, frog is crooked (drove me crazy until I figured out it was that and not my blade)... It’s good for roughing and stock removal.
But getting everything true and flat and straight on that plane is wayyyyy more effort that what it’s worth. Honestly, you’ll thank yourself by buying more expensive tools. Don’t think you can get away with cheap, you’ll drive yourself friggin nuts.
Tx you. Very good vidéo. Tx again
Great video Rex, was looking at buying one of these and was wondering if the Stanley was worth it. Thank you.
I just got my factory seconds veritas LA Jack...was SUPER disappointed until I realized I wasn't shooting, but then Jones it to the York bevel and absolutely love it. 11/10. Great video as always!
What are you saying and you is this Jones person?
@@alext8828 over a year ago I got my veritas low angle jack plane and was initially unsatisfied until I *honed* it to a 38° "York" bevel and it's worked wonderfully ever since.
About tear out. The beaty of a bevel up plane is that you can grind the bevel to a steeper angle that better handles irregular wood. Better yet, get another blade so you can have both.
And off course, Veritas sells blades that comms pre ground at different angles.
And as always, an entertaining an educational video Rex!
Stefan Eriksson
And while you are screwing around with different bevels, setting etc, I just readjust the cap iron on my bevel down Stanley and continue on.
I'm pretty sure Rex covered the use of blades ground at different angles in a previous video. It's an interesting way to get more use out of a tool, and I can see how the rigidity of the plane could make a difference in how well that works.
@@ardvarkkkkk1 the whole point of this argument is that technically you don't need to buy an additional smoothing plane if you have the low angle jack and instead just get a second blade, to do the job of both planes at a lot less cost.
@@johndoe920
Point is, unless you want a different camber, there is no need to change blades on a bevel down plane.
@@ardvarkkkkk1 except if you need a bigger plane for jointing, or if you need a plane for shooting, or if you want and even smoother finish with less tear out than you get from 45°, because you can just aswell get an attack angle of over 50° on a bevel up.
Part of the selling point to making, upgrading, and restoring tools to me is the fearlessness
I could have spent 120 euros on a new set of Spear and Jackson saws, but I know I wouldn't have done the set up on them because I'd be scared.
I just bought those same three saws at auction for 12 euros in a crusty gross state, and with a little set-up they're cutting better than any saw I've ever handled!
Enjoyed. Upgraded from subscriber to...Patreon.
I have a Lie-Nielson and am happy with it, but I must admit that I do the big work with big old wooden-bodied jack planes picked up at the flea market for peanuts and fixed up.
Great vid. I am in need of my first plane well I do have a mini Stanley that I got for $5 from lowes. It actually works ok if you tighten the screw with a tool but not by hand. I will probably go with the Veritas since I am trying to make just one plane work for all my tasks. I tend to agree with you about a tool is meant to grab and work without worrying about it. I have chipped my good axe and my good spoon gouge but they still work great:] I like Stanley but there quality is not what it once was and cheap tools is there bread and butter. Ty Dewalt or whoever owns them now.
Welp, finally bought the Stanly. 150 was a bit much considering the only other plane I have was 8 bucks at a flea market but I'm hoping it fills some holes the smother cant. Great video, thanks for the advice I think the only thing I'd really want plane wise is a decent pointer!
I've got the stanley sweetheart low angle jack and a veritas low angle smoother and I'd agree with both assessments of the the tools. Obviously the veritas smoother is slightly different from the jack, not so good for edging boards for example, but still everything else holds up.
Shop fairies, WD40... 🤣
Thank you for the very helpful review, and the laugh!
Glad to add a smile to yr day!
impressive
I built a bench for my son last year
my good friend Paul may like this one
Halfway watching the video and I was struggling to finish the video first and then give my compliments!! Gret video, and one of the best reviews I have seen on CZcams! To the point, comprehensive, professional, and unbiased!! Thanks a lot!
I also enjoyed the singing fairies!
I have tried maybe 6-7 different new Stanley planes, and I think the bevel up is by far the best. I agree that it cannot be the only plane, and one plane cannot do it all, but you can have extra blades to handle the tricky tasks: one for scrubbing and another with a secondary (very) high angle to do surfacing might make this an only plane. Just a thought.
The casting on the other plane can be milled again, to turn it into a Norris adjuster, but why go to the trouble if you can return it!
Again, I want to know where to get spare blade? No luck for me on the Stanley 62.
Just looked at home depot site and they list blade number, but not in stock at Stanley. I wonder if other manufacturers blade would work.
I'm really glad you enjoyed this video! I cover blade switching in a previous video.
I have recently gotten into using hand planes and I have to admit that I must also have an infestation of Shop fairies. I think my fairies have been hypnotizing me with the 'shiny object' - the Veritas (or Lee Nielsen) low angle jack plane. After watching your video I will have to reconsider and do more tool shopping (it's the ONLY kind of shopping I like!!! :). Thanks for the honest (as always) review.
I have the Veritas, and I really like it. But I don't know how to use it well. The homemade one is really pretty, though!
Thanks for this video Rex. I'm in the market for one of these, and as you mentioned the Tay caught my eye just because of the look and the price, so happy I saw this video before buying. I'll likely end up with the Stanley, but I'll see if I can swing the Veritas. There's also the Lie Nielsen, but it looks like it might be similar to the Stanley but at the Veritas' price. When I buy I'll do it through your affiliate link, thanks for taking the time to make this video!
My only Taytools plane is a small router, and it pretty well persuaded me not to buy any more Taytools planes. But, I love doing business with them for almost anything else. Well, you know, sometimes Harbor Freight is good enough. But Taylor sells a lot of things--machinists' squares, straight edges, calipers and such that are just fine at a really good price, and some things, like Wood Owl auger bits and Narex chisels that are excellent.
A thumbs up for the WD 40 fairy spray.
The Veritas. It's a great plane and if you want the best it's well priced. Of course you can get by with something else, I've got an ancient stanley no5 that I got 35 years ago with a samurai japanese plane iron which is well set up and nearly as good but I instinctivly go for the veritas even for small jobs, it just feels right and works great. I'll have to check which iron i've got in it because it keeps it's edge and doesn't need regular sharpening (i'll get back on this as i bought a few different blades to see which one worked best for me)
The Lie-Neilson is only $260 and it’s perfect out of the box.
I am a 'wood worker' for over 30 years and have built all different types of projects.. the first tools I bought was from Lee Valley.. there planes are the model called Veritas and they are the best.. over the time I worked in different shop and I also used there models of planes and the Veritas is better than any other version.. the Veritas planes were more money but they are still perfect after over 30 years so the cost is worth it !!
Recently bought the Stanley, which arrived perfect in every way.
No wonder that TayTools no longer sells a low-angle jack plane!
Thank you for sharing your comparison. Home Depot is cheaper. I may have to get one of them soon, just have to get the kitchen pass.
As I understand it, you can get a high bevel angle blade for the Veritas that makes it perform better at dealing with highly figured woods. I'm thinking about buying the Veritas with two blades, a high bevel and a standard bevel.
The trick to the low angle, bevel up format is to have two or more irons: one ground to the standard 25° and another ground to a higher angle for difficult grain. I have my high angle ground to about 35°.
If all woodworking channels were filled with bad dad humor and not the super stupid humble brag "oh wait here's my new $2500 domino joiner and my literal f***ing handheld CNC woodworking mill and also BTW I have a literal different pair of Nike Jordans' in every single shot"
More people would be into this hobby.
Rex is so criminally underrated. He even makes my wife laugh sometimes and she absolutely does not give a damn about woodworking beyond the fact that I'm refinishing our dining table.
If I buy a shirt for work, I can't wear it to work because I'm afraid of messing it up. Even if it cost $5 at a big box. Because my job gives me access to highly-figured wood at cost, I got talked into getting a Lie-Nielsen #5 with a 55* pitch. I've got no anxiety about it at all.
For an extra hundred bucks... Christopher Schwarz, in one of his blogs, said that he worked for years with nothing but a #5 -- roughing, jointing, and smoothing. I'm still a hand-tool newbie, but if I had a time machine, I'd just have a premium jack plane and a card scraper.
FWIW...which ain't much.
Your approach to not buying expensive planes is the same as my approach to not buying expensive guitars.
If my guitars can't get dinged a bit, I don't really want to take them out and play them.
My most "expensive" one is $1100, and came the way I wanted it to (plus setup, of course). The rest of them were 300-500, and I didn't feel bad throwing a bunch of customization on top, and even doing some myself.