*Se7en* made me so UNCOMFORTABLE!!
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Original Movie: Se7en
27:06 "Ernest Hemingway once wrote: 'The world is a fine place and worth fighting for.' I agree with the second part."
Somedays, I do as well.
i prefer what the great late colonel sanders said "im too drunk, to taste this chicken."
@@tsogobauggi8721 He also killed himself, so I'm not sure he found it as fine and worth fighting for as he claimed.
@@robling1937 He was suffering severe mental illness and paranoia, and was consistenly shit-faced. Had he not been...
@move_i_got_this5659 We can teach the bible in schools if you agree we can teach the quran and the upanishads as well. All the religions or none of them.
John Doe doesn't think he's the best. He literally kills himself in his own plan because he judges himself just as terrible as everyone else.
But that's the problem. If *everyone* is so bad, then why does he bother with his plan? If no one is redeemable, if no one is a hero, then why hope people can change? Doesn't it really just all mean that God fucked up in making us?
@@CharlieSoze He didn't. That's why we are still here.
@@CharlieSoze it means that even in his pesimistic mentality, the serial killer was hopeful that his actions would make people think different. It goes against logic but that's how our emotions work
@@CharlieSoze Summerset would not have been judged by John Doe. Because he committed no sin. His plan was to discourage the public to do these sins, as he said "we see a sin on every corner". The murders would have been massive national news, and that's why John Doe says, "you can't see the complete act yet". He was so committed to wiping out the sin, he even killed himself.
Kevin Spacey nailed it on this role, like Anthony Hopkins nailed it when he played Hannibal Lecter on Silence of the Lambs.
Spacey had gotten famous from The Usual Suspects a year or so before this came out. He wasn't in the opening credits in order to keep it a secret that he was in the movie. Spacey later said the best part was the fact that he didn't have to do the press tours before the film hit wide release.
The irony is the fact that both of those villains end up winning in the end…..
Vicky: "With this build up, this better be the craziest thing I've ever seen."
Me: Giggles maniacally.
🤣
I had the same reaction 😂 🤣. I smiled like the Joker about to cause anarchy.
Fun fact: The studio wanted David Fincher to change the ending because of how much of a downer it was, but they let him keep it after Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman threatened to walk out.
When will studios learn to trust the directors… that’s why they flippin hired them. Let them make their film!
Perfect example of why studios need to stay the fuck out of it. They think they know what’s best but most of the time ruin it
Brad Pitt had it in his deal they couldn’t change the ending
Same thing happened on "The Shawshank Redemption". The studio wanted a re-write that would have watered down the whole film. In their ideal version, Andy asks the warden for a pardon and is immediately granted. It was to be titled "The Shawshank Exception" and we're all lucky *that* film never got made.
That ending was so memorable with one of the greatest plot twists in movie history.
I dunno. The prestige or the sixth sense is up there
@@MilkT0ast 6th Sense ending is overrated. Being in the theater for both movies, this one left people much more shocked afterwards.
And like that 🌬️
he’s gone…
Yes and no. The thing is, I've actually seen stories where the villain kills people based on the 7 deadly since and in most of them, he blames himself for the final sin (which is usually wrath or pride)....
However.... I thought he was going to take out both of them.... David was CLEARLY wrath from the get go.... but I was sitting there thinking William was going to be Pride.
The final way the killer brought about the finale of agenda was certainly a surprising way it was handled...
@@MilkT0ast The funny thing for me was that the plot twist of 6th sense was SO obvious to me, that I didn't think it was the big plot twist everyone was talking about... so I was still trying to figure out what the plot twist was going to be. When they did the big reveal I was sitting there going "What? We already KNEW that..... "
I was amused that I got it right without even thinking I had gotten it at all. :)
*picks up Phone* This isnt even my desk. * hangs up*
Honestly one of my favorite movie moments EVER lol
Pure Chad move.
Totally improved according to the Gunny. I heard him in an interview saying they were having a problem with the 'prop' phones ringing, and Morgan Freeman was in the middle of a great line - so he improved the line.
@@airborngrmp1 *improv'ed
Any time you hear "Whats in the box" you'll always think of this movie
Or...
"NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING!" from UHF.
And other films or shows purposely put in a box just to have another character ask that famous question.
No-one in the history of humanity has ever done "Buddy, buddy chest-shaving time".
Game of Thrones would beg to differ:
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never got invited, huh?
I just came from my best bro's house. We just had a 5 man sleepover and shaved each other's chests. Perfectly normal.
@@davew1647 Was that before or after the pillow fight in your jammies?
@AnonEyeMouse During obviously. Idk how you play Fluff and Scruff, but it sounds wrong.
The end scene is my favourite for a movie: so stressfull and unexcepted.
Kevin Spacey played an iconic bad guy and very smart
he didnt play non of them do...
He's also a bad guy in real life.
Kevin Spacey played himself...
@@nucl3arboNg In American Beauty, he played a straight version of himself.
@@DavidZ4-gg3dmHow do you mean?
Fun Fact: the prop head for Gwyneth Paltrow made for this movie was reused for her corpse in Contagion, after it sat in storage at the studio for years!
I forgot about that! I can’t remember where I heard it, but at the time I had to go back and rewatch se7en
Fincher has debunked this in multiple interviews. He never intended to show the head so a prop head was never made for this film. He tells a fun story on the commentary about a woman yelling at him after a screening for showing the head, and he had to remind her you never see inside the box.
No jury in the world would convict Mills for blasting him.
An NYC jury convicted the greatest president ever when there's no crime so you never know.
"Temporary insanity"
If he was a citizen... probably not. But since he is a police officer, John Doe was in his custody (which is a serious legal distinction), handcuffed, unarmed and on his knees 🤷 He might not get life in prison or the death penalty, but would definitely be going away for a loooong time.
@@hulkslayer626 Lol cops rarely do time even for unjustified killings.
@@hulkslayer626nah in these circumstances he would never do a day inside. And rightfully so
This is one of the best thrillers made. It's paced well and tense. David Fincher delivered at master piece.
There's so much to say about the gorgeous and meticulous way Fincher shot this movie (like the rest), how and when he frames the actors, how and when the camera moves, why it switches from static to hand held, in line with how the story unfolds and at which point it becomes more chaotic and fast paced. Simply majestic. And that iconic ending.
Everytime you watch the scene where Morgan Freeman laughs, you gain seconds of life...
But you then lose them when Pitt asks what's in the box.
It's all fun and games until you find Gwyneth Paltrow's head in a box.
It was Spacey's idea to not be anywhere in the opening credits or marketing materials (posters, commercials, etc.), so that his reveal was that much more impactful. But as the star, he's contractually supposed to get top billing, so the compromise was that he get top billing in the END credits.
It was the right thing to do, if we had seen his name in the opening credits and then half-way into the movie he hadn'ät shown up we would have known and his first appearance wouldn't have been as impactful at all.
"as the star"? "he's contractually supposed to get top billing"?
What are you talking about? He was in the last ten percent of the movie. How was he the star?
He was in a few good movies before Seven, but none of them were hits and he was in no way a Hollywood star at the time. He was great in The Usual Suspects, but that only came out a few months before Seven and didn't do well in box office.
You're talking out your ass.
@@CharlieSoze a simple online search will show you you're the one talking out of your ass.
@@CharlieSoze "the star" and "top billing" are negotiated in studio contracts. You might not think the terms should apply in a colloquial sense, but it is what it is.
I see... sometimes a lead actor is maneuvered as a supporting actor just so they can try for an Oscar in a "supporting role."
Kevin Spacey may be an absolute POS in real life, but goddamn is he a fantastic actor. K-PAX, if you've never seen it, is a great movie (in my humble opinion, of course).
It's alright, but I agree that Spacey is a fantastic actor. I think I like him most in American Beauty. He was good way back when he was the villain in Gene Wilder and Richard prior movies. The Negotiator I think Is underrated.
well, there are some...allegations. just a little light rape and murder of witnesses...lol
Isnt he already been proven innocent?
@@nothingchanges014 yeah
@@nothingchanges014 funny how quick a case falls apart when all the witnesses end up dead...lol
"The Batman" with Robert Pattinson feels like it takes place in this universe. Very similar cinematography between them and the tone of both feels very similar.
The _Sloth_ jump-scare was legit. The director snuck the actor in prior to the scene, and told him not to move. That way, when the other actors came in, they totally thought the body was just a gross prop. They start the scene, guy stays dead still... for like 15+ minutes. So when he finally coughed, the other actors damn near died from the shock XD
Wow! He held his breath for 15 minutes?!!
@@hulkslayer626 he also held his body fat
Commit to the bit
nope most of the actors body was hidden by prostehtics and hidden under the bed, while only parts of his upper torso were shown so it was almost impossible to see the breathing movement...
Whoah!, the blinking might have been hard. I bet when the actors weren't looking he would blink then.
V "So 7 refers to the number of days"
Me "not even close"
She hadn't heard of the Seven Deadly Sins?
It's a really smart curve ball that the movie throws initially, before there is any link to the seven sins. Seven days is a more obvious jump than seven sins and it stops the viewer from overthinking the title until the link is clear and you get an 'ah ha moment'.
@@DavidZ4-gg3dm She did. She started listing them, but the connection isn't obvious to the uninitiated. It's a part of our zeitgeist now, but for people not aware of the plot can overlook it at the beginning. It reveals it quickly, but it's easy for people that's seen the movie before to not understand how people don't catch on faster.
Me: Oh you poor sweet summer child.
Somebody feels reeaaal smart today.
It is my head canon that this is Gotham City prior to Batman taking up the Cowl.
Joker: the 80's.
Seven: the 90's.
The Batman: 00's.
Head Canon, unintentional pun?
Btw their boss is played by Lee Ermey, who famously played the senior drill instructor Hartman in Full Metal Jacket.
Always a memorable actor.
Also, an actual drill instructor in the Marines.
And "California" / "Somebody.... call somebody..." sniper in the helicopter was Scrubs surgeon and Office Space consultant John McGinley.
Saw this movie in like 1999 and it’s still the first thing I think of when someone asks “what’s in the box?”
Like that you made the Fight Club connection, seemingly without knowing both movies are from the same director.
"What's in the box?!" I ask that question every chance I get.
"buddy-buddy chest shaving time" I worry about Vicki sometimes 😂
Little clue: John Doe's diary talks about having a headache so bad he pukes over a guy. The drawer of his desk in his apartment is full of empty aspirin bottles. So there's literally something wrong with his head, which is probably what made him insane.
No, the headaches are more likely a symptom of his insanity. When reality and logic push in, people with extreme psychological problems often get headaches as they struggle to maintain their 'reality'. Even when you are crazy, it needs to have internal consistancy. When that is challenged a crazy person 'going sane' is as distressing to them as a sane person 'going crazy'.
@@AnonEyeMouse Damn. That's dark.
@@AnonEyeMouseDoe wasn't insane in the truest meaning of the word. He was well aware of reality. He wasn't hearing voices or anything. Suffered no real delusions. Sure, he thought he was doing God's work, but so do members of the Westborrow Baptist Church. The things he said about his victims weren't entirely wrong. ... particularly the drug dealer. His response to their "crimes" was a bit...exaggerated, of course.
This is one of my favorite movies. Fun fact: this movie is called Seven, today is my birthday; I'm 47 years old, and my birthdate is 7-7-77.
Happy birthday
Now I'm going to need your mother's maiden name, your first pet's name and the name of the first school you went to.
Be careful.
Mills' large dogs confined to a tiny room was an added detail further driving the point that his family likely moved from a large suburban property and quite a different setting than their current situation.
The "What's In The Box?" scene is like the "I See Dead People." From the Sixth Sense, in that this many years after the movies came out, some people don't know the twist.
I wish I could have that first reaction again, but its fun watching the younger reactors experience the surprise.
What's fascinating about this movie is that it never actually shows you the most gruesome stuff it just leaves it up to your imagination
Maybe the darkest movie I've ever seen, chilling. But the execution of all the bits and pieces of it? Undeniable excellence.
Watch something like Come + See or the Zone Of Interest and then redefine Se7en again.
@@Zeitgeist6 Let's not do this okay? I'm talking about atmosphere, feeling, stuff like that. Those movies don't have the feel from the screen to the viewer that Se7en has. It's why Se7en is so successful, it brings the viewer into the world it's in and does it better than most films that have ever come out, dark or not. It is one of the greatest films of all time. Those aren't, they just have dark facets.
@@TheRealAhoy I still say Come + See and Zone Of Interest have Se7en beat when it comes to atmosphere.
And lets not pretend my examples are unknown movies. Zone Of Interest won an Oscar and Come + See is one of the greatest and harrowing war films ever made.
I'm not saying Se7en isn't good, but it terms of mood I didn't find it as dark as the 2 mentioned above.
Buddy/buddy chest shaving and ding-dong mousetraps. Hahahaha! Her imagination cracks me up.
Absolutely love this movie. So many great touches. Right down to the credits scrolling from the top-down at the end
in 1997 Kevin Spacey hosted an episode of SNL instead of a monologue he sang a song. the funny part was the captions underneath him while he was singing. They have aged either terribly or wonderfully depending on your viewpoint:
- The only reason we allowed Kevin Spacey to sing this song is because he threatened us.
- Seriously.
- He is a very sick individual with severe emotional problems.
- For example, he demanded a separate dressing room for "the bad Kevin".
- Kevin Spacey also has a history of violent behavior.
- According to his court-appointed psychiatrist, you "should avoid making any sudden movements around Kevin spacey."
- The next time you see one of his movies, just remember that Kevin Spacey plays psychos...
- Because he really is a psycho.
They wanted to create a city that was a cross between NY, Boston, L.A. and Detroit.
So basically Gotham City.
100% untrue Chicago and Baltimore are way worse than Boston..
"He's acting so creepy. How is he such a good fit for this role?" Reviews the testimony against Kevin Spacey.
The best artists always have themselves in their work.
Reviews the fact that most were lying and Kevin is a free man.
And not one jury would convict Mills of murder. He might even be police again after a time.
"I thought it was just going to be a little mousetrap on his ding-dong." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
well if it was on prnhub maybe....
Vicky is just too wholesome for this movie 🖤 When I think of a sick movie I think of something like Terrifier or Human Centipede 2 but I watched this movie when I was like 15 lol
Agreed. At least this movie teaches, and the only on screen death is that of John Smith, there's much worse filth out there....
This was one of the more difficult movies for me to watch. At the final scene I can't think of a single person that would not do what Brad Pitt's character did but at the same time morally I understand that two wrongs don't make a right
I wouldn't. Well, I don't think I would. I'm not a very sentimental man.
David Bowie's "Heart's Filthy Lesson" when the credits roll, hits like a cold shower right after a hot one.
"What's in the box?" became a very meme-able phrase with a very dark origin for those that saw the whole movie and not just the edited reaction scenes.
FINCHER.
this is the kind of movie that changes a person....
There's a reason this is one of my all time favourites. So well done.
@19:05 That's legitimately Stan and Wendy in the first couple of seasons of South Park.
A very dark, disturbing, clever movie. Really well done. Whether you like Fincher’s work or not, he knows how to make a picture, and he was the right choice to direct a very clever script.
The jump from hancock to seven is crazy
WHAT'S IN THE BOX!
It's a skilled filmmaker who can make you feel things like that. I saw it at the movies in '95, I couldn't move until the credits had stopped rolling, I was so devastated. I've watched it 200 times since and it STILL gets me every time....
I've watched some messed up movies with characters that committ terrible crimes and violations, I'm sure we all have, but I've always thought to myself, "yeah, if I wrote a script about a serial killer (etc) I could have come up with something like that". But that frickin harness John Doe makes the guy wear and he kills the prostitute with it, man oh man. In a million years I would never have thought about that, and I am a little bit worried that a supposedly upstanding citizen (whoever wrote the script or came up with the idea) thought of it at all, and is walking around among us. o.O
I haven't had "buddy buddy group chest shaving time" in a while.
Good times
Glad you picked up on everything so quickly, you were paying close attention. Se7en is a rough ride that elevated horror forever. I especially appreciated how the movie is so noisy, gritty, and rainy - until John Doe appears later in the film. You can see the rain stopping as his cab pulls up to the police station before he surrenders himself. Anyways, appreciated your perspectives and looking forward to the next one V!
Spacey plays creeps pretty perfectly, since that is close to his real personality.
I literally just got my hair cut at the barber shop they used for the BDSM leather store. 5th and Spring, DTLA, Bolt Barbers. So this is a timely upload from Vickie!
When David Fincher wants to haunts you he HAUNTS you.
No jury in the world would put Mills in jail. Thats what you call justifiable homicide.
And yet that proves John Doe's point. We are a fallen society governed by base, primal instincts and the lie that we hold to higher ideals such as the rule of law.
The City is one of the best settings in film, in my opinion. They literally would delay filming until the weather was shitty so they could get the right vibe.
The film looks absolutely incredible. They really captured lighting in a bottle with the cinematography in way lots of films just don't have it these days.
Oh yes, the old mousetrap on the dingdong
I always think of the MTV skit with William Shatner "what's in the Box??!!"
Going from The Karate Kid to Se7en is one hell of a swing...no pun intended
Fun Fact: R Lee Ermey original auditioned for John Doe, but David Fincher thought he’d be better as the Police Chief… but Ermey as John Doe would of been wild lol
David, let me see your war face!
One of my all-time favorites. I've seen it 7 times over.
This was definitely a suspenseful movie but thanks
for watching it Vicky.🙋📺
The most frigthening thing about this film is just how right the killer is about the world we live in. His actions are wrong but his outlook is spot on.
My favorite character in this movie is "California", the sniper in the helicopter, with the all-time great line "Somebody.... call somebody...".
Played by Scrubs surgeon and Office Space consultant John McGinley.
By the way, the rain and the urban aesthetic is Seattle. Fincher chose the city for both this and Fight Club specifically for the gray, dreary, lachrymose feel of the city.
edit: Also, I love that some sort of intra-cervical mousetrap device is far more wholesome than the actual leather...'device' used for the Lust murder.
“It looks exactly the same if you turned it upside down” that’s what I’ve been saying! 🤣😂
Great movie
Dark, moody, and atmospheric are David Fincher's bread and butter.
Matt Reeves used this and the director's other film Zodiac as inspiration when he filmed The Batman
Now Vic knows what’s in the box.
IN BOTH "THE USUAL SUSPECTS"AND "SE7EN" KEVIN SPACEY NAILED IT AND BOTH MOVIESWERE RELEASED IN SAME YEAR🤯
When my future wife and I saw this in the theater, most of the audience stayed seated and you could have heard a pin drop. Everyone was stunned. This film certainly makes you think, not that it's a good thing all the time. It's also a master class if you want to write a script that builds tension.
Apart from the ending, it also features one of the most haunting title sequences ever
You should watch The Game 1997 from the same director and one the best movies ever made
Fantastic movie
I remember seeing it with my Grandmother and Mother of all people . Thought we were seeing some lame detective movie … the opening credits kicked in and I knew this was something special ..
This is a masterpiece
Another reaction I saw, one of the viewers said that the rain meant that the killer was still at large. I have no idea what the correlation of that was or how she even picked up on it but when I paid attention again, I realized that the rain had stopped when John Doe turned himself in. Then I started noticing the similar theme and use of rain in other movies
Se7en and 8mm are my favorite thrillers at the time they came out, with Kiss the Girls coming in 3rd.
I love this movie, but then I'm drawn to the darker themes. I love a bleak ending, and this is one of the best ever, and fantastic performances throughout. It was between this and Kalifornia (1993) that I was sold on the idea that Brad Pitt was more than just a pretty face. Then 12 Monkeys really just sealed it (I believe that came out a little after Se7en).
The beautiful and Kindhearted Vicky graces us once again🥰
Kevin Spacey was the it guy in the 90s. He did this and Usual Suspects, same year! This director is just a handful of directors that just see movies differently!
One of my favourite movies. :) The quality and un-easy-ness in this one, is top tier!
I was a theatre manager when this came out. We would screen the prints the night before opening to make sure everything is okay. I was talking with the projectionists and one of them said they heard there's a shocker of an ending. We started to joke around speculating who the killer was. Pitt. Freeman. I said, "I know who it is! It's Keyser Soze." The Usual Suspects opened maybe a month earlier. The screening was open to employees. When Spacey showed up, those of us who were in that conversation laughed-out-loud and pointed at the screen. I remember saying "It's Keyser Soze!"
well since we're here, we might aswell ask for Memento
My buddies and I shave our chests together every Tuesday. It's totally normal.
This role is as close as Kevin Spacey gets to how he is in real life.
My absolute favorite movie of all time. I watched this when I was home alone back in the day when it came to HBO. I was in like 6th grade. It just stayed with me like no other movie ever has. I’m so jealous you get to watch it for the first time.
♪But there's no happy endings, Not here and not now
♪This tale is all sorrows and woes
♪You might dream that justice and peace win the day
♪But that's not how the story goes
Wasn't expecting Waltuh to make a feature on this 😅
"The killers putting them on a goose hunt.' 😅😅😅😅
6:07 this is Gotham when Batman & Joker aren’t around
I saw this in the theater and it blew my mind. I bought the soundtrack the next day.
Seven, Usual Suspects, Resevoir Dogs, L.A Confidential . . . The 90s had some fucking fire movies 💪😎💪
Fincher absolutely plateaued with this masterpiece...best phycological thriller ever.
Partly why it reminded you of flight club was probably because it’s the same director: David Fincher. My favorite from him is “The Game” so messed up but not nearly as gory. He also directed “The Social Network” which is very much worth a watch :)