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Dutch Mantell on Piledrivers Still Being BANNED By WWE
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Paul Orndorf Did A Piledriver Like No One Else
He caught air when he did one. The best
He also took one of the worst ones ever. The double team spike piledriver that really messed him up 😢
Agreed
Jerry Lawler always protected his opponents..a master.
Unless they were children. Then he fucked em
The best Pile Driver by far was Paul Orndorff spiking it and making it look great. As the Inverted Pile driver, Don '' The Rock '' Muraco was just a smooth devastating tombstone.
I think Owen Hart screwed it up for everybody whenever he did it to Stone Cold at Summerslam '97
I still recall in the days of old when a piledriver could set up an injury angle. Nowadays a Steiner Screwdriver off of a flaming ladder through a stack of tables covered in barbed wire, thumb tacks, and Nick Gage gets a solid 1,2, OOOOO.
hey cornette, you forgot the rusty razor blades soaked in hep c
@@carbondioxide830 I do get the comment, but we recently had a guy set on fire with a flame thrower be the same guy to score the pinfall.
Tombstones are more safe than a regular piledriver.
How so? With a traditional pile driver your strongest part of your body, your legs provide the safety.
With the tombstone you can get more separation from the mat but it's all upper body strength holding the guy up.
because Taker is landing on his knee...about the only bump the guy taking is when taker flips you over to land on your back when he's on his knees after the piledriver
@@EclecticBuddha with the Tombstone u protect the guy by his head between your thighs so it's easier to judge where his head is at. Also falling to your knees is more safe than falling on your ass. Yes u need the upper body strength to hold him there but that's most moves in wrestling.
Tombstone broke Hogan's neck brother 😂 and I'm making fun of Hogan's lie because Undertaker did nothing wrong
@@justina9137 ya got me BROTHA..
Well said Dutch!! Dirty Dutch served in the US Army during the Vietnam War(25th Infantry division) in the infantry. Much Respect!!
WWE has allowed the canadian destroyer a lot the last couple years. That’s a variation of the piledriver.
yeah even John Morrison allow Bad Bunny to do that move outside the ring in WM37 and it look really good.
Tombstone piledrivers looked devastating when Taker first started using them in the early 90s. Then like the superkick, powerbomb, and chokeslam, tombstones got way overused.
I miss the old school jumping piledriver. But they're dangerous. They look more impressive to me now than a tombstone.
Piledriver best move
I dont know who did.it first but paul orndorff did.it best
I'm sure he wasn't the first but Bob Orton Sr. was known for his pile driver as well.
I think the Brain Buster is more dangerous than the Pile Driver. The way Koko B. Ware used to do it, though he called it the Ghost Buster. The wrestlers doing it now are dropping their opponent on their shoulders which looks more like a Suplex, maybe that is why they are allowed to do it.
Jimmy garvin never seriously hurt anyone using the brainbuster
I'm sure the illegal paralegal got the piledriver BRUTHURR!
The Piledriver was the greatest thing that ever existed as a kid. Your brother, sister, cousin, best friends.... victims of your might! But once you grow up, you realize just how incredibly dangerous it was. And make no mistake: there were a lot of armchair wrestlers, overzealous amateurs, and even (especially) kids who got hurt trying to perform that move with little idea of the risks. I performed many of them growing up, and it's no wonder I didn't hurt anyone.
Too many “kids” were pile driving each other, I recall a case from Florida where a big dumb goon of a kid pile drived his little cousin or neighbor and killed her. His defense was “he just copying the wwe”.
Jesus christ
It was a powerbomb through a table, and it was his little sister.
Why is kids in quotations? Was it a kid or not ?
first of all, i was acquitted of all charges. second, it was a hardcore match. third, i was a dumb 22 year old kid.
She sure sold that finish
Nick Bockwinkle was pretty good at it . Cowboy Bob Orton was pretty good at Pile drivers too
Wild Bill Longson was the inventor of the Puledriver
SC thought he was getting tombstoned. Owen said, " No, piledriver." SC said you did a tombstone night bfr you SOB.
Owen says, "piledriver"
Austin thought he was being ribbed & took the move wrong.
The regular sit out piledriver like Harley Race did it, wasn't at all dangerous. The wrestlers head never even came close to hitting the mat, his shoulders are supported on the thighs of the wrestlers giving the piledriver. It actually hurts the guy giving the piledriver more that the guy taking it, because he comes down on his ass and tailbone.
I invented a double underhook powerdriver. Pedigree position. Pull opponent up over one shoulder by the arms. Pull down into jumping double underhook pilededriver. Did it in the yard in IYHWA, HVWA, SCWS and other big aussie yard feds for 10 years and never hurt anyone. Did a comeback this year, did it again. Still sidnt hurt the guy. Even gave one to Kyle Fletcher and Robbie Eagles.
Memory tells me they banned the move because kids at home were hurting each other. Every now and then this comes up, and no one seems to recall kids at home were being hurt. Vince was smart to ban the move if that's the reasoning. And, if that's the reasoning the continued ban is still smart. 10 year olds don't understand protecting each other, they just see what the move appears to be and do it for real.
I miss piledrivers. They're perfectly safe if done right.
Ive worked around 2 stroke diesel pile-drivers my whole life and always thought whoever coined the wrestling move term must have worked with pile drivers too,,,its amazing how much force they concentrate onto the pile's "head" my dad has major hearing loss from working with them 😆
I love him to bits, buts he a crazy bastard! Dutch is the man 😂😂
When Dutch calls you a "crazy bastard" then you definite ARE a "crazy bastard" LOL
Undertaker did a inverted piledriver but was always safe
The thing is, the piledriver has a infamous aura around it that people know it can be a career ender. To me it should be a banned move in kayfabe for multiple reasons. One it gives something a heel can do to sneak in and you have a move that people can use to injure the opponent. To me one of the biggest annoyances of aew recently was trent beretta did a piledriver on the steel stairs and orange cassidy still was moving. To me that should have had orange cassidy out for weeks and if not then he'd be in a bunch of medical tape and neck brace to try and heal faster. Another reason to ban the piledriver is it is overpowered. Why do a powerbomb when you can do a piledriver that does more damage and is less chances to reverse. Why do a tombstone style facebuster where they jump back and drop them on their knees when you can just do the tombstone piledriver? Have piledriver moves (holds where your opponent's torso is lifted upside down vertically before being dropped on the top of their head or back of the neck) are banned so you are doing verticle suplex rather than a brainbuster, you are doing a powerbomb rather than a piledriver, and gives the ddt spike sell more importance because it is a semi piledriver in effect but goes around the rules because they're not being held upside down before being dropped
You know who had an underrated piledriver, Disco Inferno
Agreed. He's goofy AF but a really solid worker IMO.
Longson wrestled for various NWA promotions but mostly NWA St. Louis for Sam Muchnick according to cagematch.
I grew up on Mr Wonderful doing it, and treated as a killer move, but Im fine with it being banned, the risk from it as seen with Austin, inverted or not, is to great to chance. The faster pace of today, and rushing through sequences at times, one slip up, you are paralyzed. Its all a risk, but no reason to not remove some things if proven to be really crippling when gone wrong.
Terry Funk’s backward walking piledriver on young Eddie Guerrero (on the concrete) is still wince-inducing to watch.
Bob Sweetan was called Mr Piledriver in the early 80s.What a scumbag.
Bring back the “abdominal stretch!”😂
I've always hated the pile driver ban seems like it was an over the top reaction too what happened too Austin. Heck I'm against all bans but if a move was banned it should've been the diving headbut. I do agree with restricting the piledriver too certain guys as some guys wouldn't be ablt too do it now especially nowadays though
recently WWE have been allow to use previously banned move like Turnbuckle Brain Buster by Sami Zayn or Vertebreaker from Cody
When you talk about the rules in aew it depends if Tony wants to make them up or not😂😂
Pile drivers are safe if the person doing it knows how to protect the opponent. The trick is during impact lifting up the legs, so the opponent's head is clear of touching the mat. Good examples are: Josh Alexander's C-4 Spike, Sami Callahan's Cactus Driver 97 or Eric Young. A bad example is when Rey Fenix hit Jon Moxley twice wrong with his thighs flat on the mat.
Steamboat v savage, plenty of piledrivers in that match
my uncle says, which isn't the way i like to start a sentence but so be it, that it was likely banned because it is no longer a high spot or at least the business stopped treating it as one. so you have a move with a fairly high degree of difficulty where a mistake can be career if not life threatening, that really has little value. so rather than risk guys using it 5x's a match it was banned ... which makes some sense
and it wasn't banned in the sense watts banned the top rope moves for the sake of the work. vince banned the move as an almost direct result of stone cold's neck injury at the hands of owen hart
8:32 on about WWF/E taking out their own development territories is a great point.
My guess is WWE thought by starting up NXT they could monetize their training process by televising and promoting it--essentially making money out of a minor league while raising their new talent. A win win perhaps as far as the office was concerned.
That said, I'm sure NXT is very competitive, not only for new spots when moving up to WWE's full time roster, but also to keep from falling down and out of NXT and into the indies or another promotion. NXT probably has a per capita profit margin quota in mind for each wrestler and they are not going to shovel money into someone who doesn't seem to be drawing/progressing.
My guess is Shawn Michaels is ultimately responsible for this but, like Dutch said about HHH doing booking, Shawn is probably busy working with people in ring and someone else is running the financial numbers.
That Rollins Knee Lift is pretty nasty😂😂😂 ask Peacemaker...😅😅😅
I never could see how they cover that one up.
The Hulkster hurt his back on the Taker's tombstone, brother. Of course if he wasn't hurting his back already doing that finisher leg drop, he probably wouldn't have had it get triggered so easily, brother. The Hulkster already having back problems in the early 90s, no more pile drivers for the Hulkster after that.
They found footage of that incident and it clearly showed that hulk hogans head never touched the mat. The Undertaker executed the pile-driver perfectly. Hulk hogan lied to try to stop Undertakers push. The hulkster is a proven liar many times over
Hulk was full of crap . Taker never hurt him. His damn melon of a head never touched the chair or ground
Best piledrivers I've ever seen were by Rip "The Profile" Hawk, one of the all-time great regional heels.
They took jimmy hart out of memphis and left a hole noone could fill and never used him with their audience in a way that could have taken it to another level back then. Hart did very well, but they had no idea what they had with him. Its great to see the longevity though. When i was a kid Jimmy Hart would not have been saved from a burning building in a 5 state area, he was so good if you can understand that.
Because kids were hurting themselves trying it. Same with the curb stomp.
I wanna see Shane McMahon show up on Dynamite and give Swerve Strickland a pile driver Invasion 2.0!! 😅
My cousin broke our granny's neck practicing the pile driver when he was in wrestling school.
My favorite one was Terry Gordy on Ted Dibiase.
heck with a piledriver, the brainbuster/gordbuster is far more dangerous.
Also, in the same vein, give Bron Breaker the Steiner Screwdriver for a finisher. That thing always looked brutal.
What about the brain buster ??
100% glad it's banned and it's not about safety for me. Fact is, no one should be kicking out of a piledriver. AEW and other promotions toss out piledrivers like DDTs and everybody kicks out of them. The move has been killed and I see no reason for its resurrection.
I know I'm not the only person that doesn't enjoy watching certain high risk moves at all.
Paul orndorf looked like he killed a person when he did it.
Would be freaking awesome if you guys got Dr D on here
I think everyone on aew does a pile driver and it is used as just a regular move. Some moves should be finishers only
How come nobody does the full Nelson anymore Dutch ?
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i dont get why owen did a tombstone on a ppv that undertaker and his brother were the main event
Dr D was way ahead of his time!
NXT is no different then what OVW was but OVW gave you mega stars and some of them still got hurt, Brock,Cena,Batista,Orton Shelton Benjamin was good but Vince didn’t know how to work felt he was to small for a word championship title
Half of the current roster probably couldn't pick someone up. Look at Keven Owens' dog-shit looking sit-down powerbomb. I don't think he can pick anyone up for a proper powerbomb. He's no Sid or Kevin Nash.
Owen hart hurt steve austin and dan severin
Piledrivers are just too dangerous.
Owen vs Austin was a once off incident.awe are damaging there big names doing stupid crazy stuff on a weekly basis that nobody cares about !
We often forget Owen hurting Dan Severn with the same move and not only Austin. First off pile driver should be only given to veteran who can execute it safely and use it a protected finisher.
If everyone starts using it, most will use it multiple times in a match and there will be multiple kick outs.
Look what happened to super kicks and DDT. Both finishers has been diluted.
Austin got even when he hid in the rafters and released Owen Hart's harness upon his ascension....
owen dropping dan severn was an angle. classy vince wanted to build on the own/austin accident.
Owen hart shouldn’t have been allowed to use it. He hurt 2 guys 👋
Best show thus far! This shoukd of been banned in 90s.
I took a piledrive 1 time 20 years ago yeah no thank you.
Thats the only thing i don't like about WWE now, they're too soft sometimes its obvious how fake it is. Everything else is great
Did James just get a lot of gray hair recently?
DDT is just as bad
The thing with the DDT is that the person receiving it takes their own bump, it's a bit different taking a piledriver of any sort
Piledrivers should be banned. - It's just too easy to botch and especially these days with 'sports entertainers' rather than blooded and experienced professional wrestlers.
I mean, you have a choice if you think a piledriver is going bad. You can fall on your back and look like an idiot, or go ahead with it and risk ending a career.
The old generation which were a lot of shooters and had that talent and wrestling background, when it was more about technical and acrobatics. I agree, the new kids aren't probably the best to trust with those types of moves.
Lets face it, WWF/WWE is about a bunch of jumping bean gymnastic fruit loop stuff. none of "todays" wrestling moves would actually work in a real fight. The great thing about the good old days in wrestling (territories) was that most of the wrestlers looked and carried themselves like guys that you might actually run into on the street or in a bar. The fan could identify with those guys at least to an extent. Todays wrestlers look like pansies that spend all of their time in the gym practicing tumbling and eating health food.
Wrestling sucks these days
First!!
Grow up, child.