I was born in 1966. I think it was the late 70’s during harvest I was on our Farmal 460 wide front pulling an empty, regular size for that time gravity wagon. I got going a little too fast over the crest of a hill in a harvested area of the field. The snow had hard packed down making it a little slick, but not as bad as ice. Tractor had left and right brakes and we usually left the lever between the pedals open so we could use ether brake independently. And most people hit the left brake because it was easier to reach,,, thus wearing it out faster than the left brake. The lever for the two brakes was closed at this moment making the pedals working in unison I hit them over the crest of the hill and the tractor right rear tire locks up and tractor quickly turns right as I cranked the steering wheel to the limit,, just in time to get it going straight down the hill and stop it. Our neighbor who was combining corn for us had a front row seat watching me do this. He said something like “I was going to fast and you almost lost it. Let’s just act like it didn’t happen and not tell anyone”. The tractor had no cab or rollover protection system (roll over hoop). Maybe some angels were there but that could have killed me.
Compare it to the hopper bottom by it. Hook up a 1 ton pickup to that trailer. Then figure out if you would rather have that Frieghtliner or the 1 ton? Same as that bigger tractor. Always have the right tool for the job.
Pete kildow Exactly. Hell, set up the pickup with the right 5th wheel and maybe some good bags, it would do it too. But soon as you hit those brakes you'll realize why people use big trucks on big trailers.
Finally someone with some commend sense ! Truer words have never been spoken on this subject and I glad you understand that there is a problem and have addressed it by getting a big tractor to do the job with. Same thing pulling a 300 bu gravity bed with a 3/4ton pick up and trying to go 40 mph with it and having to try to stop it ! Keep up the great work and video's. Safety First ! Bandit
I still remember when a 300 bu wagon load of beans pushed me down a hill very slowly , Worse part was it was on a hill with a bridge that they were working on at the time that was down to one lane and my side was stopped. Talk about having the pucker factor ! WOW ! I'm glad I don't have to haul beans there anymore ! Bandit
I believe I've heard Travis and Ryan Kuster say "overkill is underrated". But in this case i don't believe this tractor is by any means overkill for this task.
Pandy always says big tractor for a little job is safer than a little tractor for a big job. Wanna go home at night because you ran that little star wheel rake with a 7810
Logan Bedard Nothing wrong with pulling a rake with a 7810. Might use a little more diesel, but far less than the cost of a new smaller tractor. When youre doing 200 acres a day at times like Wes does a bigger more comfortable tractor is a nice thing. Those rakes are heavier than they look too. I've been shoved around some on a hill side before running a 100 hp NH 7610 by a wheel rake very similar to what Wes has. It's his operation. He knows what he farms and what he needs to do it. I say if you want to risk it with your own operation, fine, but leave the man alone and let him do his thing.
I jackknifed a chopper wagon being pulled by an Oliver 77. No weights or fluid in the 77. Bailed off the tractor once the front end of the tractor went up an embankment with the wagon firmly against the side of the right rear tire. Scary experience for a young kid. Used the JD 3020 the rest of the day to haul the loads.
Very well said. People dont understand how dangerous havin a small tractor on these big wagons is. Our neighbor did the same thing were he couldnt stop he had a jd 4255 and 2 644 brent wagons went in the ditch and rolled both wagons.fully loaded
I would be a little worried about pulling 2 wagons that big loaded. My concern is that the hitching points aren't strong enough on the rear of the wagons.
I agree. We actually gave up using tractors to pull heavy stuff on the road and went to tractor trailer setups. Shit in the field, but 100 percent safer on the road.
Absolutely right on man , hardtop n tractors are not meant to grip. I've had hay wagons kick rear ends sideways on hard top. Lol yea Europeans have good ol air brakes on everything
Great video explaining why you use what you use. If you ever get into a situation where you cant get something stopped because you have too much weight behind, you will never forget it. BTDT. Its scary as crap. Slow down and think. What can happen if i do this?
Oh man I have a 6150r Deere and once I took an Agri-Master 600 and an MK Martin 400 doing 60lbs/bushel wheat. I wouldn’t go over 15 mph and down a hill I got it up to 2600 rpm, rated 2200 rpm and was chugging down a hill at 22 mph and I ended up blowing right through a major two lane highway and I just couldn’t stop. Just crazy. The next day I took the same combo on our biggest, an 8320r and it was grunting along pretty fine but I wondered how the hell I even considered the 150hp tractor over a 320! No brakes on either wagon either. Even worse the 6150r has an IVT so it was throwing shit at me for an over speed. So did the 8320r but it had weight.
You are so correct in what your saying regarding safety issues. We would not be allowed on the road with this combination as some one else says elsewhere as there are too many pivot points here in the UK. Europe has different rules about 4 wheel steering trailers. All Trailers and trailed implements from about 1990 are by law equipped with either hydraulically applied brakes or more recently applied air brakes. Both of these systems are driven by a link to the tractor's foot brakes and not only that, they must be connected whenever you are on public roads (even for short journeys)! - to not have them connected will result in prosecution by the criminal justice service. Unbraked trailers are allowed up to a gross weight of 3/4 of the vehicle towing. Over-run mechanical brakes are only allowed up to 3.5 metric tons gross trailed weight (Trailer + load) and max road speed is 56 mph. There are also gross weight, drivers age and licence restrictions in place for any towing on the road whether that be for commercial or private purposes. I am amazed at what I regularly see happening on videos regarding towing on USA and Canadian CZcams videos!
Dan Whiteford We don't want all that over regulation over here. I do agree these trailers should leave the factory with brakes and our tractors should start leaving the factory with the capability to accommodate those brakes, but I don't want the government telling me how to farm. Ultimately the owner of the machinery should be who is in charge of regulating the operation of said machines.
Dan Whiteford Our JD 7280R has both air and hydraulic brakes. It can safely handle large towed wagons or carts that are equipped with brakes. The government should regulate safety issues on public roads.
I pulled a homemade dumper wagoon made from a volvo a30. It fully loaded weighs 20-25 tonnes. I pulled it with jd 7810 felt good but kinda pushy when turning because the boggy are diffed and wants to go forward.
Same thing goes with truck whether it's a pickup pulling a car or a semi it's easier to pull a little trailer with a big truck and be safe then pulling a big trailer with a little truck and end up dead
makes sence. safety my dad always preached it on the farm , and we all got the work done. but is there a way to ajust the brakes. i was pulling a skid steer. on the interstate in Denver iwas getting on the hwy. when some one locked there brakes up 2 cars ahead. i only had a 1/2 ton pu . it had those brakes they didnt work . the car beside me was paying attention. so i moved over. then cleaned my shorts out. this is when i just started for xcell energy. now they have 1ton trucks with good brakes.
Could not agree more! On a 2x4 tractor like your 4640 if you're pulling up a hill, or even when shoving down a hill, if one of the wheels catches gravel it will make the opposite wheels spin double speed and it will turn the tractor sideways before you can even think about it and then the weight of the wagons will rip you over on your top, turning the whole rig into mess of bent up metal and grain with you in the middle there somewhere. Saw it before plenty of times out here in our hilly ground. Hell it's easier than you think to pull big loads. I've pulled 600 bushels with my diesel pickup before just to see if it could do it. It was in completely flat ground with tons of room all around for safety. It still took probably an eighth of a mile to get it stopped from like 15 mph. It shoved that 7000 lb truck like it was a toy. It's pulling it safely that really matters.
Rightsideofthegrass they are super single tire sets. The same tires as used on semi truck combinations. Ample tire for the application. And added flotation over dual wheel sets.
Using your description, weights, etc, each tire should be supporting about 10,000 pounds. I think you said both trailers, loaded, should be about 80,000 pounds. There are eight tires across both wagons. On the semi, the legal load on the drives is about 34,000 pounds. That is spread across four tires (tandem axles, two sides). That makes the legal load about 8,500 pounds. And, they are running at highway speeds. Your wagon tires are loaded a bit more, but running at field speeds. I presume these tires are used super-singles taken off trucks/trailers that once traveled the highways, tires that have good carcass, but are a little short on tread.
My farm is 2 miles from the elevator the scale is tight so forget about duals cause they won't fit, we have 2 4430s and 1 4850 and a 9500 combine 8 row. I haul using the 4430 with 2 400 bushel wagons paired and a 530 with a 350, you Do know it's behind you but I've never had an issue with stopping it, no brakes either. Maybe an 8 series would be the best tool for the job?
Lane Depatis Possibly, but think how many years saving a little diesel with a 8 series would take to equal the cost of buying and then maintaining another tractor that would really only serve one purpose as they don't need another tractor. Doesn't make any sense logistically.
In the field yes big tractor dual wheels to get through soft ground or mud but on the road with that much weight you are asking for a nasty accident the weight of most of the tractors you mentioned are heavy enough to handle the weight of one of the wagons with the wagon breaking system operating properly. The break rods on the wagon tongue you showed are rusty they can't be working properly and if they are now most likely not for long. Looks like some safety inspection and maintenance is in order. There is a reason most farmers have a semi on solid ground in or near the field. Safety first, sped and convenience not so much
You can take a 32 metric ton combination out on the road with nothing more those brakes? Wouldn't it be better to equip them with air brakes connected to the tractor? It's required by law here in Europe. It would be far safer and eliminate the need for a heavy tractor to pull them, saving fuel and the soil. Also, wider tires might solve your sinking in problem, as I don't think those are flotation tires, but don't quote me on that, I'm not a tire expert. Besides that, there is certainly something as 'too big'. Soil compaction, especially by those big articulated tractors, reaches down several feet. You want to keep the weight you put on your soil to a minimum. That's why it's better to buy two smaller tractors instead of one massive one. Of you course you still need to keep the cost of drivers in mind, but if you've got them, you might is well stop investing in the big tractors. Make sure you have the right tractor for the job, if that 8870 is the tractor you need to pull those wagons. Because the monstrosities that currently work on farmer's fields are causing damage that will last decades, and the more we drive over it with ever bigger equipment, the more apparent the damage will be. This isn't something you will see in a few years, but in a few decades. It may be masked by the technology that allows bigger yields, but it will be there.
I think just about all Jonh Deere tractors are too light for the rated horsepower. I've been scared shitless many times in a green tractor feeling too light. IH to me just feels alot better when it comes to quality and feeling like more of a complete tractor. I don't know, most guys like green and I just don't understand why
A lot of the problem with those wagons is there is no weight on back of tractor.If that was in Europe those wagons would have air brakes or at least hydraulic brakes ,tap the brakes on tractor n those sobs would stop ✋
i was in the hospital for 6 weeks because of a small tractor and stubborn pride so im all for bigger tractors in fact my smallest tractor is 200 hp now
After being in the seat when you get shoved through your turn you dont haft to justify to anybody it's your life in that seat and maybe my family coming at you in a car so dont sweat the odors that dont get it be safe for you and me
Wonder if you can't afford a large tractor and then what do you do. I know Safety First is very important. I always say big tractor little wagon. Hope you have a great day talk to you later
Elm custom harvesting then use smaller wagons . And more wagons. They make a quick hitch where you back into the wagon tongue. It lifts the tongue and snaps the hitch closed. Then you get down and put a safety pin in to make sure it doesn't open on the road.
Your doing it the right way. The safe way! That setup is hauling 200 to 300 more bushels than a legally loaded semi on the interstate. You aren't going as fast but the weight is still there. I don't know why the government hasn't mandated brakes on these wagons. They mandated them on all other trailers on the roads that have a GVW of 5,000 lbs and over.
Terry Presnal I do agree. As long as it doesn't open the door to inspections and other sorts of over regulation, I think brakes should be mandatory here too.
It is not legal per MN Dot regs say Self-propelled implements of husbandry which are exempt from the size requirements are also exempt from weight limitations. Towed implements of husbandry equipped with pneumatic tires operated on public highways must not exceed a maximum wheel load of 500 pounds per inch of tire width. These vehicles must follow gross weight limits or posted weight limits on bridges. Doing the math using 455/70/22.5 tires that wagon can gross 35840 lbs which is exactly 640 bushels of corn not including the wagon that weights 6500 lbs gives you a total of 42340 lbs . you are over weight. you're grossing 100,000 lbs plus I doubt your roads are rated for that. In Illinois you can be ticketed for being over weight with a tractor and wagon and people have been.
Ben Harmon Here in Indiana, as long as it's not anything blantent or ridiculous, like driving a set up like this over an old low weight rated bridge and destroying it or something like that, the police won't mess with you.
Farmers aren't over regulated here. It's nice 99% of the time, but I do think it would be smart to have brakes on heavy rigs like these wagons like you guys have,as long as it doesn't open the door to some sort of over regulation and inspections and the such. It is kinda goofy how you have to have a CDL and all sorts of training etc to drive no more than a total of 80000 lbs over the road, yet a 14 year old kid can hop in any tractor and pull 100000 lbs plus any old time they want haha. Although, like I said I think it's much smarter to leave the regulation of who operates their equipment and how safely they do it to the owner of the machinery and not the government.
Can’t do it in Australia either. It’s illegal to haul an ag implement with a load in it on the roads, doesn’t matter if it’s a grain cart, sprayer or airseeder cart. That why we always have to use trucks and semis.
sstroh08 we sure are over regulated here. That’s why all our machines have large oversize signs on them. Anything over 6m wide needs a special permit and some of the seeding combinations are getting too long to transport hooked up together. Even a tractor on its own over 2.5m needs all the signs and flags. It’s a right pain, especially since we have lots of open country like in the USA.
I worked on a sod farm and drove a 9400 just to haul 1 of those corn wagons full of fertilizer. Overkill is better than just plain being killed.
I was born in 1966. I think it was the late 70’s during harvest I was on our Farmal 460 wide front pulling an empty, regular size for that time gravity wagon. I got going a little too fast over the crest of a hill in a harvested area of the field. The snow had hard packed down making it a little slick, but not as bad as ice. Tractor had left and right brakes and we usually left the lever between the pedals open so we could use ether brake independently. And most people hit the left brake because it was easier to reach,,, thus wearing it out faster than the left brake. The lever for the two brakes was closed at this moment making the pedals working in unison I hit them over the crest of the hill and the tractor right rear tire locks up and tractor quickly turns right as I cranked the steering wheel to the limit,, just in time to get it going straight down the hill and stop it. Our neighbor who was combining corn for us had a front row seat watching me do this. He said something like “I was going to fast and you almost lost it. Let’s just act like it didn’t happen and not tell anyone”. The tractor had no cab or rollover protection system (roll over hoop). Maybe some angels were there but that could have killed me.
Rather have a big tractor to do a small job than a small tractor to do a big job no such thing as too big!!
amen! good peace of mind that way
Have you ever tried to fit through a tight space
great advice, love your videos
Totally agree with you there. Always nice having more power and traction
Compare it to the hopper bottom by it. Hook up a 1 ton pickup to that trailer. Then figure out if you would rather have that Frieghtliner or the 1 ton? Same as that bigger tractor. Always have the right tool for the job.
Pete kildow Exactly. Hell, set up the pickup with the right 5th wheel and maybe some good bags, it would do it too. But soon as you hit those brakes you'll realize why people use big trucks on big trailers.
very good analogy
Thank you for explaining
Finally someone with some commend sense ! Truer words have never been spoken on this subject and I glad you understand that there is a problem and have addressed it by getting a big tractor to do the job with. Same thing pulling a 300 bu gravity bed with a 3/4ton pick up and trying to go 40 mph with it and having to try to stop it ! Keep up the great work and video's. Safety First ! Bandit
safety first. gotta think through the consquences. im always thinking ahead
I still remember when a 300 bu wagon load of beans pushed me down a hill very slowly , Worse part was it was on a hill with a bridge that they were working on at the time that was down to one lane and my side was stopped. Talk about having the pucker factor ! WOW ! I'm glad I don't have to haul beans there anymore ! Bandit
I believe I've heard Travis and Ryan Kuster say "overkill is underrated". But in this case i don't believe this tractor is by any means overkill for this task.
not at all, it works it to get going but i dont worry about it like i did with the 8440
Smart choice with the bigger tractor and great comprehensive explanation!
Pandy always says big tractor for a little job is safer than a little tractor for a big job. Wanna go home at night because you ran that little star wheel rake with a 7810
Logan Bedard Nothing wrong with pulling a rake with a 7810. Might use a little more diesel, but far less than the cost of a new smaller tractor. When youre doing 200 acres a day at times like Wes does a bigger more comfortable tractor is a nice thing. Those rakes are heavier than they look too. I've been shoved around some on a hill side before running a 100 hp NH 7610 by a wheel rake very similar to what Wes has. It's his operation. He knows what he farms and what he needs to do it. I say if you want to risk it with your own operation, fine, but leave the man alone and let him do his thing.
yup and this thing pulls them at low idle instead of just wide open with a smaller tractor
I agree wholeheartedly use the right size tractor for the job, but it makes absolutely no sense to run a 180hp tractor on a wheel rake.
its what hes got. tractors generally have more than one job on the farm and fill in where its needed
I jackknifed a chopper wagon being pulled by an Oliver 77. No weights or fluid in the 77. Bailed off the tractor once the front end of the tractor went up an embankment with the wagon firmly against the side of the right rear tire. Scary experience for a young kid. Used the JD 3020 the rest of the day to haul the loads.
The lonely Farmer would without a doubt agree with what you got on there. I also believe that's a great set up
thanks, gotta be safe
I agree with you, special pulling the hills. it takes a lot of horsepower. I guess some people don't understand that!!
Well said.
Very well said. People dont understand how dangerous havin a small tractor on these big wagons is. Our neighbor did the same thing were he couldnt stop he had a jd 4255 and 2 644 brent wagons went in the ditch and rolled both wagons.fully loaded
ouch hopefully he was ok
BornToFarm101 yes he was alright thankfully the tractor didnt roll
My grandpa pulls 2 630 bushel unverferth wagons with a 7140 magnum the tractor is 195 hp and pulls them good
EXCELLENT VIDEO
I would be a little worried about pulling 2 wagons that big loaded. My concern is that the hitching points aren't strong enough on the rear of the wagons.
i hear ya but why else is there a hitch there? they seem beefy
Great vid guys Smile More God Bless stay safe Guys 👍
Good PSA.
Nice farm 👍
Im jealous on your tractor selection. Awesome tho!
ya he has a nice selection of tractors
I agree. We actually gave up using tractors to pull heavy stuff on the road and went to tractor trailer setups. Shit in the field, but 100 percent safer on the road.
Getting the loaded gravity wagons to stop , is like trying to get that semi to stop without trailer brakes, takes one time to change mind
Absolutely right on man , hardtop n tractors are not meant to grip. I've had hay wagons kick rear ends sideways on hard top. Lol yea Europeans have good ol air brakes on everything
Great video explaining why you use what you use. If you ever get into a situation where you cant get something stopped because you have too much weight behind, you will never forget it. BTDT. Its scary as crap. Slow down and think. What can happen if i do this?
yup always consider the consequences. i do that a lot more now
I can't remember what she was hauling but my aunt had an experience like this once, she was on a 3020 and she ended up in a ditch
Oh man I have a 6150r Deere and once I took an Agri-Master 600 and an MK Martin 400 doing 60lbs/bushel wheat. I wouldn’t go over 15 mph and down a hill I got it up to 2600 rpm, rated 2200 rpm and was chugging down a hill at 22 mph and I ended up blowing right through a major two lane highway and I just couldn’t stop. Just crazy. The next day I took the same combo on our biggest, an 8320r and it was grunting along pretty fine but I wondered how the hell I even considered the 150hp tractor over a 320! No brakes on either wagon either. Even worse the 6150r has an IVT so it was throwing shit at me for an over speed. So did the 8320r but it had weight.
ya its scary stuff
You are so correct in what your saying regarding safety issues. We would not be allowed on the road with this combination as some one else says elsewhere as there are too many pivot points here in the UK. Europe has different rules about 4 wheel steering trailers.
All Trailers and trailed implements from about 1990 are by law equipped with either hydraulically applied brakes or more recently applied air brakes. Both of these systems are driven by a link to the tractor's foot brakes and not only that, they must be connected whenever you are on public roads (even for short journeys)! - to not have them connected will result in prosecution by the criminal justice service.
Unbraked trailers are allowed up to a gross weight of 3/4 of the vehicle towing. Over-run mechanical brakes are only allowed up to 3.5 metric tons gross trailed weight (Trailer + load) and max road speed is 56 mph. There are also gross weight, drivers age and licence restrictions in place for any towing on the road whether that be for commercial or private purposes.
I am amazed at what I regularly see happening on videos regarding towing on USA and Canadian CZcams videos!
Dan Whiteford We don't want all that over regulation over here. I do agree these trailers should leave the factory with brakes and our tractors should start leaving the factory with the capability to accommodate those brakes, but I don't want the government telling me how to farm. Ultimately the owner of the machinery should be who is in charge of regulating the operation of said machines.
Dan Whiteford Our JD 7280R has both air and hydraulic brakes. It can safely handle large towed wagons or carts that are equipped with brakes.
The government should regulate safety issues on public roads.
I pulled a homemade dumper wagoon made from a volvo a30. It fully loaded weighs 20-25 tonnes. I pulled it with jd 7810 felt good but kinda pushy when turning because the boggy are diffed and wants to go forward.
oh boy. that sounds like a lot for that tractor.
Same thing goes with truck whether it's a pickup pulling a car or a semi it's easier to pull a little trailer with a big truck and be safe then pulling a big trailer with a little truck and end up dead
Born to farm 101 bushel of soybeans is 60 pounds per bushel .very good viedo .thank you.
But good points! Bigger the tractor, the better for that much weight!
makes sence. safety my dad always preached it on the farm , and we all got the work done. but is there a way to ajust the brakes. i was pulling a skid steer. on the interstate in Denver iwas getting on the hwy. when some one locked there brakes up 2 cars ahead. i only had a 1/2 ton pu . it had those brakes they didnt work . the car beside me was paying attention. so i moved over. then cleaned my shorts out. this is when i just started for xcell energy. now they have 1ton trucks with good brakes.
scary! glad you are ok
Well Said....
Could not agree more! On a 2x4 tractor like your 4640 if you're pulling up a hill, or even when shoving down a hill, if one of the wheels catches gravel it will make the opposite wheels spin double speed and it will turn the tractor sideways before you can even think about it and then the weight of the wagons will rip you over on your top, turning the whole rig into mess of bent up metal and grain with you in the middle there somewhere. Saw it before plenty of times out here in our hilly ground. Hell it's easier than you think to pull big loads. I've pulled 600 bushels with my diesel pickup before just to see if it could do it. It was in completely flat ground with tons of room all around for safety. It still took probably an eighth of a mile to get it stopped from like 15 mph. It shoved that 7000 lb truck like it was a toy. It's pulling it safely that really matters.
yup stopping is generally when the "oh shoot...." factor sets in
Burn your breaks out trying to stop it. Down shift a lot probably?
Beans weight 60 pounds a bushel
Pulling usually isn't the problem, it's stopping. Oh, and the next time you get your combine stuck you will be glad you have that big green Deere.
this tractor pulls the combine out at low idle
Better to be safe than sorry
even tho I am a j I case guy thanksnfor keeping a tractor busy it will last longer.
What is the tire size, ply rating, and air pressure on the wagon tires?
Rightsideofthegrass they are super single tire sets. The same tires as used on semi truck combinations. Ample tire for the application. And added flotation over dual wheel sets.
Thank you. They don't look that large in the video.
not sure exactly. they are the same as super singles on semis
Using your description, weights, etc, each tire should be supporting about 10,000 pounds. I think you said both trailers, loaded, should be about 80,000 pounds. There are eight tires across both wagons. On the semi, the legal load on the drives is about 34,000 pounds. That is spread across four tires (tandem axles, two sides). That makes the legal load about 8,500 pounds. And, they are running at highway speeds. Your wagon tires are loaded a bit more, but running at field speeds. I presume these tires are used super-singles taken off trucks/trailers that once traveled the highways, tires that have good carcass, but are a little short on tread.
My farm is 2 miles from the elevator the scale is tight so forget about duals cause they won't fit, we have 2 4430s and 1 4850 and a 9500 combine 8 row. I haul using the 4430 with 2 400 bushel wagons paired and a 530 with a 350, you Do know it's behind you but I've never had an issue with stopping it, no brakes either. Maybe an 8 series would be the best tool for the job?
Lane Depatis Possibly, but think how many years saving a little diesel with a 8 series would take to equal the cost of buying and then maintaining another tractor that would really only serve one purpose as they don't need another tractor. Doesn't make any sense logistically.
Ya we want but anything smaller than out 4760 on our J&M and it has surge breaks
ya you dont notice them until you go to stop
Better to have too much tractor than not enough.
In the field yes big tractor dual wheels to get through soft ground or mud but on the road with that much weight you are asking for a nasty accident the weight of most of the tractors you mentioned are heavy enough to handle the weight of one of the wagons with the wagon breaking system operating properly. The break rods on the wagon tongue you showed are rusty they can't be working properly and if they are now most likely not for long. Looks like some safety inspection and maintenance is in order. There is a reason most farmers have a semi on solid ground in or near the field. Safety first, sped and convenience not so much
the brakes work just fine. we keep an eye on the stuff thanks
You can take a 32 metric ton combination out on the road with nothing more those brakes? Wouldn't it be better to equip them with air brakes connected to the tractor? It's required by law here in Europe. It would be far safer and eliminate the need for a heavy tractor to pull them, saving fuel and the soil. Also, wider tires might solve your sinking in problem, as I don't think those are flotation tires, but don't quote me on that, I'm not a tire expert.
Besides that, there is certainly something as 'too big'. Soil compaction, especially by those big articulated tractors, reaches down several feet. You want to keep the weight you put on your soil to a minimum. That's why it's better to buy two smaller tractors instead of one massive one. Of you course you still need to keep the cost of drivers in mind, but if you've got them, you might is well stop investing in the big tractors. Make sure you have the right tractor for the job, if that 8870 is the tractor you need to pull those wagons. Because the monstrosities that currently work on farmer's fields are causing damage that will last decades, and the more we drive over it with ever bigger equipment, the more apparent the damage will be. This isn't something you will see in a few years, but in a few decades. It may be masked by the technology that allows bigger yields, but it will be there.
I think just about all Jonh Deere tractors are too light for the rated horsepower. I've been scared shitless many times in a green tractor feeling too light. IH to me just feels alot better when it comes to quality and feeling like more of a complete tractor. I don't know, most guys like green and I just don't understand why
i never knew yall had as big of a grain system do yall have your own truck and thats why you have a dump pit
Pretty sure they have at least one of their own semis. maybe more.
we have 2 semis and these two wagons
There was a clevis on that rope, Wes would not like that!!!
how else are you going to attach it? its the screw type not the pin type
chain
with beans at the right moisture beans should have a test weight around 60lbs/bushel at 1,300 bushels youre at 78,000 plus the weight of the trailers!
yes i usually figure beans around 60 pounds but i was blanking when i made the video
wouldn't fair to well, with a smaller tractor. Good way to wind up tangled, bad.
A lot of the problem with those wagons is there is no weight on back of tractor.If that was in Europe those wagons would have air brakes or at least hydraulic brakes ,tap the brakes on tractor n those sobs would stop ✋
yup thats why its so easy for the tractors to skip
A lot safer with too big than trying to do the job with a tractor too small
Yep those wagons are nothing to be fooled with
lot of people think its nothing becasue they are used to 200 bushel wagons this is a different league
i was in the hospital for 6 weeks because of a small tractor and stubborn pride so im all for bigger tractors in fact my smallest tractor is 200 hp now
hope you fully recovered
After being in the seat when you get shoved through your turn you dont haft to justify to anybody it's your life in that seat and maybe my family coming at you in a car so dont sweat the odors that dont get it be safe for you and me
Wonder if you can't afford a large tractor and then what do you do. I know Safety First is very important. I always say big tractor little wagon. Hope you have a great day talk to you later
Elm custom harvesting then use smaller wagons . And more wagons. They make a quick hitch where you back into the wagon tongue. It lifts the tongue and snaps the hitch closed. Then you get down and put a safety pin in to make sure it doesn't open on the road.
yup either use smaller wagons and dont tow them together.
Who was your cousin that just got married
Rather have a tractor capable of stopping what im pulling
I'm not saying your wrong but we pull 1000 bushels of corn and beans with a 4440 John Deere
wow. i guesss it works for you but be careeful
why are the customs guys semis just sitting around
those are our semis. field we were in was muddy and no way to get semis back there. thats why we got these things
ah okay sorry makes sense i thought those were the custom cutters trucks because they were in the custom harvester video
Your doing it the right way. The safe way! That setup is hauling 200 to 300 more bushels than a legally loaded semi on the interstate. You aren't going as fast but the weight is still there. I don't know why the government hasn't mandated brakes on these wagons. They mandated them on all other trailers on the roads that have a GVW of 5,000 lbs and over.
Terry Presnal I do agree. As long as it doesn't open the door to inspections and other sorts of over regulation, I think brakes should be mandatory here too.
It is not legal per MN Dot regs say Self-propelled implements of husbandry
which are exempt from the size
requirements are also exempt from weight
limitations.
Towed implements of husbandry
equipped with pneumatic tires operated
on public highways must not exceed a
maximum wheel load of 500 pounds per
inch of tire width. These vehicles must
follow gross weight limits or posted
weight limits on bridges.
Doing the math using 455/70/22.5 tires that wagon can gross 35840 lbs which is exactly 640 bushels of corn not including the wagon that weights 6500 lbs gives you a total of 42340 lbs . you are over weight.
you're grossing 100,000 lbs plus I doubt your roads are rated for that. In Illinois you can be ticketed for being over weight with a tractor and wagon and people have been.
Ben Harmon Here in Indiana, as long as it's not anything blantent or ridiculous, like driving a set up like this over an old low weight rated bridge and destroying it or something like that, the police won't mess with you.
ya its a lot of weight when you think about it.
Why no weight - thought you said you took them off - WHY
no need for the weights. added compaction when planting
Surge brakes are the debil
Would be illegal to take on the road in the UK to many pivot points.
ANDREW MICAS our roads are different here and there is little to no regulation on what farmers do
Farmers aren't over regulated here. It's nice 99% of the time, but I do think it would be smart to have brakes on heavy rigs like these wagons like you guys have,as long as it doesn't open the door to some sort of over regulation and inspections and the such. It is kinda goofy how you have to have a CDL and all sorts of training etc to drive no more than a total of 80000 lbs over the road, yet a 14 year old kid can hop in any tractor and pull 100000 lbs plus any old time they want haha. Although, like I said I think it's much smarter to leave the regulation of who operates their equipment and how safely they do it to the owner of the machinery and not the government.
Can’t do it in Australia either. It’s illegal to haul an ag implement with a load in it on the roads, doesn’t matter if it’s a grain cart, sprayer or airseeder cart. That why we always have to use trucks and semis.
Jason Rowe I feel bad for you guys that is ridiculous... That is why we worry about over regulation here.
sstroh08 we sure are over regulated here. That’s why all our machines have large oversize signs on them. Anything over 6m wide needs a special permit and some of the seeding combinations are getting too long to transport hooked up together. Even a tractor on its own over 2.5m needs all the signs and flags. It’s a right pain, especially since we have lots of open country like in the USA.
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