R-22 and R-410A Refrigerant Operating Pressures on Air Conditioning Units!
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- Our Ebook, Paperback, Workbook, Quick Cards: www.acservicetech.com/the-book This video is on Normal Operating Pressures are for Freon R-22 and R-410A Refrigerants. I go over what affects the pressures on the low side and the high side, the saturation state pressures and temperatures, what too low of a pressure means on the vapor side and what too high of a pressure means on the liquid line. I go over the specific ranges of pressure for R-410a and R-22. Supervision is needed by a licensed HVAC Tech while doing this as Experience and Apprenticeship garners Wisdom and Safety.
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⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Great video Craig. So informative. I usually see vapor lines at 70 to 75 psi (R22) and 120 to 125 psi (R410A), more or less. I learned something on the saturated temp explanation and the pressure variances you gave. (60-80 & 105-140) Thank you.
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Sir some deep questions for u?
In r32 do we trust in pressure or trust in sticker level on the mini air conditioner outdoor which told 650g gas in 1.5 ton ac? If the pressure which if have to follow? Because old system efficiency is less. Do i put some extra gas like 50g extra or less? If i put the extra gas amps go up? Indoor unit is down, outdoor unit is on roof. Gas pipe is 3.5 meter. Distance is less can i cut pipe and make 2 meter? Would i have to extra gas charging? And if the 30 min with vacuum with refrigerator compressor is it right vacuum? If the vacuum without vacuum pump is it ok? Can i re-vacuum the unit because now how can i remove the air from the system if vacuumed with refrigerator compressor? Now i have to vacuum with double stage vacuum pump? Or i have to out totally gas from the system and then again i vacuum with vacuum pump?
Please tell me help me?
So first, when working with an empty system, you need to pressure test, oil blowout, vacuum with a VACUUM GAUGE, to verify that you are below 500 microns, then the 10 minute standing vacuum test, then break the system with refrigerant from the system or liquid refrigerant into the liquid line which is weighed in. If there is air in the lines mixed with the refrigerant, it needs to be recovered to specified level before starting over, thanks
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I watched this video more than 5! Time but every time I watch it I’m learning something new and very helpful thanks. Because I run to an ac with r22 refrigerant and has high pressure on high side and was afraid if I did something wrong to the system after I watch this video again I understand it was because it small condenser with low sears. Thanks again
Excellent coverage of condenser and evaporator pressures for R22 and R410. Thanks for the info!
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Great video good easy explanation I found more information in this video thank you
this make it easier for me to comprehend the science behind it.. i rewind constantly to make sure i understand.. although i dont understand SEER measurements yet..
It has to do with how efficient the unit's energy transfer is and therefor electrical energy used to transfer the heat energy. In reference to an outdoor unit, the higher the seer, the larger the surface area of the coil is. The indoor evaporator coil would need to be larger as well to attain a higher seer rating, thanks
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Thanks for sharing your extensive knowledge. You would likely enjoy the details of wide-body jet airconditioning systems. Since the OAT varies from say 115F when taxiing out for takeoff in, say, Phoenix to -41F OAT at 39,000 feet cruise altitude, the aircond "packs" work to cool the cabin at low altitudes but must function as "heaters" when it's 41-deg below zero at cruise altitude. The most remarkable characteristic about these a/c "packs" is that they do not require any charge of refrigerant. In fact, there is NO refrigerant in the system except fresh air. The system takes (bleeds") high pressure air from the engines to drive a compressor (turbine) that inducts outside air, compressing it, then cooling it in the slipstream, then allowing it to expand again. As you know, this cycle creates a powerful thermal exchange. Then, the cold expanding exhaust is simply piped into the aircraft. By controlling how quickly this volume of air is injected into the cabin, the aircraft can be "pressurized" as well. The fact that no airconditioning refrigerant must be added means that the systems are extremely reliable and the performance doesn't vary since the compressor is a rotary turbine, not a rotary piston whose efficiency is affected by wear. Thanks again for your videos. I would enjoy sitting down with you to ask you questions. CZcams is the next best thing. Good luck sir.
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I'm a student with very limited funds, so I need to do almost all of my design and planning myself.
May I ask something?
I need to design a low cost multi stage cooling system to achieve liquid nitrogen temperatures on a budget. Compressors will be commonly available refrigeration compressors. They will use increasingly colder refrigerants, so that only the last two stages need to use non-phase changing refrigerants such as nitrogen or helium. Consider that heat flux through the system will be fairly limited, it will be designed to achieve low temperature rather than maximum efficiency or heat flux. So I mean to design the system for a relatively low pressure in the suction line, to get the temperature in the evaporator as low as possible for each refrigerant.
In such a system, with a low refrigerant flow rate and common refrigeration compressors, what would be a reasonable suction line pressure to aim for?
During the build I will get help from people with experience with these systems, but planning is always done more or less solo and as I've never designed a refrigeration system before I have no idea what would be reasonable.
Regards
I would not know that one. I don't design systems like those. You would really need a good engineer for that one, thanks
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I have a Goodman r22 freon low side 100 and high side 200 what's my problem I'm saying reversing slider not sliding like it should
Check the gauge's saturation temperature for each refrigerant against a PT chart. At one time I found one set of gauges where the R-410a temperatures did not match the pressure against a PT chart. Always verify your equipment is correct.
I found that once too. That was an interesting one! Always check
Great video! Thanks
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Thank you for your videos. I too learn more than I did in school. My question is with a r22 system in Las Vegas 115 outside what would I expect the temperature to be in middle of condenser coil? It is a10 seer split system. Thanks
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Your videos are great man have really learned a lot from the way you teach things and make them easier to understand. How do you know what the head pressure should be for an R22 and 410A system if the outdoor coil is clean and the ambient is around 70 degrees F. I was taught anything above 70F, add 30F and that should be your saturated condensing temperature. So if it’s 80 degrees ambient add 30 degrees which gives you 110F. See what pressure that corresponds to using a pt chart for a given refrigerant and that should be your pressure. Is that a good way to determine what your head pressure should be
What you are describing is that old ambient plus 30 rule of thumb. We use superheat and subcooling for efficiency and compressor safety. That was a rule that got you close on old 10 seer r22 units. Look up "acservicetech subcooling and superheat" I also have everything explained in detail step by step in the book at acservicetech.com thanks!
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Hi amazing video by the way. At the end when you talking about the unit being 300 psi being too hot due to condenser failing, could be a clogged dryer or piston too.
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Have you ever tried adding PAO oil to a r22 system? All the data I've seen is that it's compatible with mineral oil.
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thank you sir nice video. i like in the California low desert and this year we have had 120°f + days. I've seen some time 400 psig readings. please give me your thoughts on those things readings. thank you
Yes high side readings will certainly increase at very high temperatures and this will also depend on the seer of the condensor and the condition of the fins. Thanks
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Awesome channel! There is so much bad information out there on this topic so thank you for teaching us! Btw how are window and portable units able to operate at 300psig low / 520psig high (R410a). I’ve been looking everywhere for an answer and can’t find one. They are usually completely sealed systems and don’t have service ports. But even if you install a port, how would you fill it to 300psig?! It seems like they can’t be repaired. There is usually a sticker with the specs on the side of the unit and that’s where I’m getting these numbers from.
Or perhaps it’s the maximum pressure the unit is built for..... yeah probably that. :)
Yes that is the max design pressure for sure, they operate the same as other r410a fixed orifice systems and you would mout the port on the low pressure side to check the superheat since it has a capillary tube as the metering device, thanks
Is there a way to approximate how low in refrigerant a system may be using the gauges? Thanks. Love the channel.
Kind of. The system name plate will usually tell you the normal charge in the system (in the US it will say 5lbs of R22 for example) and then since you know what normal operating should be, you can kind of guess. If the system is operating at half the normal pressures then you would be somewhere around 2.5lbs of refrigerant based on the example above. But don’t forget that any split system with more than 20ft of line set you have to add a few ounces per every few feet of extra line set. I cant remember the exact numbers but yea
Hi i have a Daikin 2HP mini split installed in my house. It has R22 refrigerant. Temps at my place can get upto 110F during peak noon 1-3pm. Cooling is reduced upto 35% when its peak heat around 100-110F in evenings or night temps are around 80-85F it works cold. And the outdoor unit is exposed directly to sunlight and it has around 12 meters of copper piping installed. The low side is 70 psi when outside temp was around 100F
Is this an inverter style or single speed compressor? Do you have an indoor temp diff between the return air and supply air of 18 degrees when it is 80-90 degrees outside?
Its single speed R22 split.
Does it say a rated subcooling on the rating plate? Is there a charging guide on the back side of the shroud. It likely has a txv on the outside and yes if it is a single speed then you can check the charge with subcooling for txv units and superheat for pistons. Subcooling of usually 8-12 degrees for txv equipped, single speed, comfort cooling units without a stated txv rating. thanks
acservicetech its plate says R22 charge 1.5kg. If the outdoor unit is directly exposed to sunlight heat of around 100F it will effect the cooling of AC and make compressor run more harder
Absolutely, if it were installed in the shade it certainly would be better as long as long as air flow was not cut off, thanks
Great info
Thanks Lee!
Thank you for your video, guru. My AC is RUDD UACC-036JAS, R22 refrigerant system, it has refrigerant leakage, the Tech refilled R22 to Low Pressure at about 62 psi, High Pressure is 220 psi, is it ok for cooling? but I feel it is slow to make rooms cool. What is the best psi of Low Pressure for my AC? Thanks.
he would need to check it with superheat or subcooling but the refrigerant will eventually leak out again. He would need to find and fix the leak. You could also check for 18-21 degree temp decrease between the return air and supply air to verify it is working correctly, thanks
Nice video, you're a good teacher. bought a new house, and trying to evaluate the ac system. Nordyne 3 1/2 ton 1600 sq. ft house. the best my low side ever gets is at 11AM Low:92 r22 ring: 52. but at 4 in the after noon the system wont shut off at 78 degrees in the house. So low on 22? compressor going bad? High on 22? I've cleaned both sets of coils, evaporator was really bad. Advice?
Hey David, I would need to know if you have a txv or fixed orifice such as a piston or capillary tubing as the metering device in order to answer the question. Then I would need high and low pressures, superheat, subcooling, outdoor temp and indoor wet bulb temp. We don't go by pressures only in order to check a charge, thanks
Thank you for your videos. I have a question about the "expected pressure" on the high side, can we take the SEER rating, refrigerate type and the outside temperature and add a constant value to get the expected high side pressure?
So for a example a R22 on a 85 degree day for a SEER 13 would mean the pressure should reflect 85 + 20 = 105 F. Then covert 105F on a PT chart?
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Good video
it would be a great video if it was running with those freezing low side and what the high side is doing at the same time. If the low side is 30-32 what the high side doing.
What is a good time to check your system to see if it is running right? Do you want to check the system when the outside temp. is around 60-70 degrees? I am going to check the systems on our rental property.
Typically the first 70 degree days when there is a load on the building, thanks Todd!
I think he meant when to check it. The answer, i think, is, it doesnt matter because its charged by superheat or subcool. The varible that would matter, is the indoor temperature should be normal like less than 80 or so
What's your opinion on digital manifolds like the Fieldpiece that shows and calculates superheat and subcooling for you?
I don't mind them showing the saturated temperature but I don't like that they calculate superheat. The only reason is because it takes the thinking out of it. In my perspective/experience, any time things are just given to us instead of determining them ourselves, it disengages the mind. This makes it harder to quickly diagnose problems. This is just coming from a teacher of high school and adult hvac students. Now if someone has many years of experience and they want to switch then that is fine. I am just mainly concerned for those beginning or continuing the learning process. Thanks and great question!
You mentioned that things are different in an inverter type system. Can you explain that more? I am seeing about 75psig on the low side of a R410a mini-split during operation and trying to figure out if that is somehow normal or if there is actually a leak.
Mini split manufacturers don't give us superheat or subcooling guidelines but just the total weight procedure for inverter type units unfortunately however the low side sat temp should not be below 32 degrees, thanks
Hi craig. In ductless Minisplit , refrigerant is available both indoors and outdoors. So standing pressure (when compressor is not on) will correspond to Indoor temperature or outdoor temperature or something in between and why??
Great video also
Thanks Kemon!
What should the blue/low guage read when re-filling with R22? This would be in a constant temp climate like Miami of about 85 deg F.
It depends on a few factors but sometimes you wont see the suction gauge go up much because it depends on the metering device and some other factors or you wont be able to charge the refrigerant much because of the devices in the line. Otherwise, most of the time the suction and discharge gauges will reach equilibrium once the refrigerant settles. Alot of times you have to charge as much as you can with the system off then turn the system on so you can finish putting in the rest of the charge because you need a better pressure differential. Ive even had it where i can barely put in refrigerant while the system is off and i had to manually turn on the compressor or bypass the low suction pressure sensor because i couldnt get enough refrigerant in the system for it to stay on long enough because it kept tripping on low suction pressure
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