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Considering Open Baffle Speakers? The Jury Is Still Out!
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- čas přidán 20. 03. 2024
- There's a growing trend among open baffle speakers. Unlike Magnepan and Martin Logan designs, this one is newer to the market. Perhaps you've heard or even own open baffle. Share your thoughts and comments!
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Boxed,Dipole,Bipole ,OmniPole is basically all we have Stereo really didn't hit America until the mid 60s.
I feel most were comfortable with what Mono did my first Open Baffle was in the early 90s BES Acoustic I've owned over 100 pairs of speakers and every type.
My Favorite way to play is the original Alan Blumlien concept like a rear projection screen but with sound going to the front soundstage.
Try some open baffle most project the performance behind the speakers that not my type of listening.
Wow, you have been around the corners and many times. I love to hear where people have played with all sorts of concepts and that is what it is all about: A hobby.
Thank you for taking the time to contribute to the channel. It is most appreciated.
Ordered last week a Decware Zen Master open baffle. They are being made at Lii Song and using FAST-15. Will be adding a Lii W-15 bass baffle with Caintuck Audio solid wood.
Well, hopefully they turn out delightful and you can continue to enjoy your music.
Lou, the concept - the dynamics of "open baffle" is so intriguing, in so many ways. They really make so many concepts readily illustrative; that the room is a critical part of the system! Well it sure is. But with these speakers, the room becomes even more critical, just like you said about the back wall. I just so happen to have my listening room being of great configuration. And because my home is older, the builders covered all of the drywall with plaster. It's a really solid house with 3/4" plywood floors, with 3/4" oak on top of that. So, my resonances are readily identified. (I know one can't eliminate them. And if we did the music would more than likely lose its soul.) I'd like to try this 'crazy' design because with the latitude I have setting my speakers from the back (and to a lesser degree the side) wall, I think maybe just simple raw drivers might work? LOL
Just love your reference to "free resonance". In many ways, the more macro feeling of literary resonance (or emotional) feels related to those of us with aural passion; what's it sound like?! Trust your ears and trust your brain. That one then is the system for you.
Free air resonance is a concept that is used in all driver design. My concern is that if the driver is just pulled off the shelf and put on a flat board, well, what are you really getting? If the driver resonates at any used frequency, well, that's bad.
You're right, they do seem to be the flavor of the day here on CZcams. Having a rather small room myself (9x11x8) I presume I don't have enough space (for open baffle, planar or electrostatic) to let them breath.
That's not exactly true but the odds are stacked against you. I have done stats in small rooms very effectively but it's not easy.
There are very few drivers designed for open baffle applications and they are all expensive.
I hope you dont take offence but you went off on tangents on things that affect all other type of loudspeakers (which you did acknowledge) as well and only example was a full range 15 which would not work well in any other situation either.
I think the best way to understand them is to get a set that has a full frequency range just like what you'd consider for other loud speakers - ie NOT just a 15 full range like your friend did and place them properly in room - similar to what you would do with a larger magnepan or similar speaker.
Also OB drivers not too dissimilar from higher Q drivers used for infinite baffle setups as far as the bass section is considered Also just like conventional designs, you still need to consider your frequency range so a full range 15" driver is not ideal as OB is not magic and cant change the driver behavior so no shock that a full range 15" could not retrieve a ton of detail. Also there needs to be distance from the back wall, so placement would be similar that way to most dipoles like Magnepans.
OB setups give that feel of large open presence in a room like a Magnepan may but with more output capability in the bass - depending on size of course and easier to drive most of the time. Also the benefit would be easier to replace parts if they failed or got damaged.
I've got a pair I built that are a WMTMW setup with twin 15" drivers for bass, twin 10" mid/midbass and a compression driver for high frequency. Placed properly it can produce a full range frequency range (in my case usable response of 25Hz-20Hz in room) with peaks at the listening positiion of close to 100db without really any sense of strain.
Thank you for your contribution and points. Your experiences are noteworthy and at the same time, you properly pointing out the frailty of a single 15 inch driver to which we both agree. My general points were to cause people to research and understand these speakers before jumping in with both feet.
@@audibleeleganceinc Oh that 100% I agree with. Definitely consideration should be taken and not to assume there is anything magical about them and just buy. Good point on that :)
hi Lou. could you please tell me the name of these 2 Speakers that you showed at the beginning of the video please ?. they appeal to me.. you're totally right. me either. i wouldn't buy speakers that i haven't audition.
frankly. the more i hear and read about the open baffle speakers the more i love them.. i'm seriously considering a set but haven't decided which to get. i like the: Linkwitz LX521. Spatial Audio. QUALIO-IQ . Clayton Shaw. Lii-Song .. thank you.
Sorry, my recording engineer found the picture. I do not know the brand.
@@audibleeleganceinc THANKS for your reply Lou. i don't know about the white one. but just found out the Beige speaker is New Model made by PureAudio... Cheers
Open baffle speakers go back more than 36 years. Jamo even produced one.
Thank you for the update. I did not know that but you must agree that it is a "new" discovery to much of the market, particularly following the DIY approach like Ikea. So, I certainly wanted to bring that up. Your comment and effort in writing the comment is most welcome.
Weird looks like my other comment with lots of info didnt take
Ah never mind. It looks like it was a weird youtube delay or glitch. I see all now :)
I have tried to leave a comment several times and it keeps disappearing.
Must've been the URL I had in the body of the text.
I have seen few from you. I know I accidently bopped one person when the touchpad picked up my moist hands. I don't think it was you.
Buyers beware > the lii audio/sound are knock offs of the original Lii Audio's, there is a long article about it on DIY Audio website. Also the pure audio panels only have fixings in the corners of the panels, this surely must introduce flex when you look at how much material is left above and below the large drivers.
Open baffle is trending and while they are capable of beautiful sonics, they come with their own set of room setup challenges. It’s simply not the silver bullet that these latest YTers are using for clickbait.
Thank you for contributing your thoughts and observation about how these are being marketed. Others have pointed out "incomplete copy-cats" of this approach while others recognize what has to be done and have done it. Correct, they are not the silver bullet. If they were, it would have been done years ago.