This might not be thr best chapter to go to, from an exegetical standpoint. Right doctrine from the wrong passage. Check out Richard Gaffin on this chapter.
Romans 7 is about pre-Christian Jews. It is NOT Paul's inner dialog about his own battle with sin. It has to do with Paul's discussion of the use of the Law in demonstrating our pre-regeneration ability to obey God. Jews knew that the Law was good (I agree with my mind), but they weren't following it (I find another law at work in my members). The point is that knowing the Law isn't enough, and in fact knowing the Law is good, yet not following it, is proof that we need new birth. Follow Paul's argument in chapters 5-8 and it's clear. And pay attention to Paul's consistent use of language. In Romans 7, Paul speaks as a slave to sin. But his whole point is that this is a pre-salvation reality, and that in Christ, we are indeed slave to sin. In Christ, we no longer are unable to obey the Law, we no longer are slave to sin. You may want to apply Paul's language to your own life, but that isn't how Paul used it.
Pre-Christian people don't think this way. People have paid attention to the details you point out for hundreds of years and have come to a different conclusion. This isn't a pre-conversion Christian, every Christian understands the struggle with sin, and this perfectly describes it. There's extremely strong arguments against your position. Martyn Lloyd-Jones doesn't agree with either yours nor mine, he says its a person being convicted but before conversion. Other's like Sproul say otherwise. But this is a great example of a believer struggling with sin.
Romans 7 is not pre-conversion. No person who is dead in their sins and transgressions feels this way about sin. They are JUST fine with their sin. They have no desire to do what is right. It's hard to place exactly where this is. I think it's quite possibly mid-conversion, but no unconverted person has this kind of anguish over his/her sin.
@@joev2223 I don't see anguish until the end (but I think the end is Paul's own reflection on the reality of the sinful flesh). Before that, I simply see someone stating matter-of-factly that, "I know the the Law (capital L) is good, but I don't do it." That doesn't sound emotional to me. And, yes, I think unconverted people could say this. In fact, I know it, because this is what Paul says the point of the Law is: Before the Law, I was "alive" (thinking I was alive), but the Law showed me I was actually dead. The Law also served to awaken my sinful flesh to be even more disobedient. I know the Law is good, but I can't do it. Why? Sin. The Law shows me my sinfulness. I must be able to acknowledge that "I do the things I don't want to do" or else the purpose of the Law that Paul has laid out in Romans is not fulfilled.
Wowwwwwww this is so refreshing ....... thank you !!!!!!!
Thanks!!!
This is good. I believe that the Christian life is a non stop cycle, till we enter glory
This might not be thr best chapter to go to, from an exegetical standpoint. Right doctrine from the wrong passage. Check out Richard Gaffin on this chapter.
Nah.
Romans 7 is about pre-Christian Jews. It is NOT Paul's inner dialog about his own battle with sin. It has to do with Paul's discussion of the use of the Law in demonstrating our pre-regeneration ability to obey God. Jews knew that the Law was good (I agree with my mind), but they weren't following it (I find another law at work in my members). The point is that knowing the Law isn't enough, and in fact knowing the Law is good, yet not following it, is proof that we need new birth. Follow Paul's argument in chapters 5-8 and it's clear. And pay attention to Paul's consistent use of language. In Romans 7, Paul speaks as a slave to sin. But his whole point is that this is a pre-salvation reality, and that in Christ, we are indeed slave to sin. In Christ, we no longer are unable to obey the Law, we no longer are slave to sin.
You may want to apply Paul's language to your own life, but that isn't how Paul used it.
@@Huero87 I guess you can't read 😂
Pre-Christian people don't think this way. People have paid attention to the details you point out for hundreds of years and have come to a different conclusion. This isn't a pre-conversion Christian, every Christian understands the struggle with sin, and this perfectly describes it. There's extremely strong arguments against your position. Martyn Lloyd-Jones doesn't agree with either yours nor mine, he says its a person being convicted but before conversion. Other's like Sproul say otherwise. But this is a great example of a believer struggling with sin.
@@florida8953 "People disagree. But also I'm right." K, then.
Romans 7 is not pre-conversion. No person who is dead in their sins and transgressions feels this way about sin. They are JUST fine with their sin. They have no desire to do what is right. It's hard to place exactly where this is. I think it's quite possibly mid-conversion, but no unconverted person has this kind of anguish over his/her sin.
@@joev2223 I don't see anguish until the end (but I think the end is Paul's own reflection on the reality of the sinful flesh). Before that, I simply see someone stating matter-of-factly that, "I know the the Law (capital L) is good, but I don't do it." That doesn't sound emotional to me. And, yes, I think unconverted people could say this. In fact, I know it, because this is what Paul says the point of the Law is: Before the Law, I was "alive" (thinking I was alive), but the Law showed me I was actually dead. The Law also served to awaken my sinful flesh to be even more disobedient. I know the Law is good, but I can't do it. Why? Sin. The Law shows me my sinfulness. I must be able to acknowledge that "I do the things I don't want to do" or else the purpose of the Law that Paul has laid out in Romans is not fulfilled.