Weighting dust removed to dust collected gave me chills! Your testing methods are so simple, logical and precise. The rest of the video is just icing on the cake. We are lucky to have you. You are doing the Big Guy's work. Big Thank You!
Isn't he brilliant? I was in the market for a contractor grade extension cord. I was just going to go by gage and length, finally color so a client wouldn't trip over the cord at the job site. Mr Farm performed testing that 99.99 would of never dreamnt.
Hey I was interested if you could do a test of rotary tools like dremel. I work with these a lot and I would be very happy if you did a video comparing it with other brands. Love your videos and how you approach testing tools. Thanks
I've been waiting on one with the Lucas oil stabilizer and things like that. Mystic viscilube, what not. He did one on the Lucas grease but still waiting. So.....keep waiting.
that Bosch sander impressed me particularly for those who want to be careful with their health. easy to control means it won't strain your wrists, and flat out superior dust collection is really good for keeping your lungs (and work space) clean. for someone who does a lot of sanding, those are points that carry a LOT of weight. while the amount of material removed is lower, you can probably adjust for that by using a larger grit, rather than just going for longer.
I have a small cabinet shop and i've bought a number of Bosch tools over the years. Have had issues with all of them. Spindle lock on two routers broke. Have had two Sanders seize up way earlier than than should have. The Dewalt stuff i have just never quits.
I wouldn't depend on the tool to filter the dust for you. Even if it does a good job it isn't a replacement for a proper respirator. It will keep your working area a bit cleaner though.
A year old, but for reference of anyone seeing this in the future the testing didn't really give a complete picture on dust collection. The testing did a fixed amount of sanding time to show which ones are quicker, but it did not test dust collection for completing the job (regardless of how long it takes). So one tool may complete the job in 5 minutes, but another takes 8 minutes, however in the tests performed that extra 3 minutes of dust for tool #2 wasn't measured. Tool #2 may still be superior, it may be the same, or it could be worse. As already mentioned though, you should be wearing a respirator regardless, or at minimum an N95 dust mask.
Product comparison request for you, from my Dad. He'd like to know what caulk is best. We brainstormed a couple things to test. What caulk is toughest in terms of abrasion resistance. How much force does it take to seperate two caulked pieces of wood. What surfaces do the caulks cling well to - paint, plain wood, sanded wood, metal, pcv, glass. A pipe going through a hole, how much force does it take to pull the pipe out. Same with electrical conduit or a bit of romex. How easy are they to apply. How well do they work in the cold, do they stay pliable.
Great idea! We'd really need a year after follow up to see shrinking and cracking. DAP is available at all big box stores and doesn't seem to last very long.
@@tommays56 I would not ever recommend any caulk in a shower. %100 silicone is the best I've found, but it's still not totally immune to mildew and mold getting underneath it.
I’m just a weekend hack, but I went with ryobi for my tool line. I’ve noticed in most of your reviews, like this one, that the brand consistently hits the middle-of-road performance. Which is what I would expect at its price point. Never hits “professional grade”, but never sucks either. Seems like I made a good choice for my purposes.
Agree with you on most Ryobi tools but their new HP line has definitly raised their game. Also in this test, I think the Ryobi did much better than the final score indicated. At least in the categories I cared most about. It fared poorly in the last test, the force to remove the pad, but is it fair to award the same number of points to that test than dust collected, wood removed, and vibration?
That’s the same feedback I have for all of their tools I’ve used. I would put them in the “good” category performance wise and “great” for value for money. They obviously aren’t the best but they will get the job done and I see nothing wrong with investing in their tools. They should last years.
Really comprehensive testing 👍. You covered everything that matters in your tests. I am really surprised by the performance of that Milwaukee and Bosch filters. Thank you for your excellent work.
except EVERYTHING i've ever owned from BOSCH was trash. I've even had others tell me their tools are pretty but never lasts. not to mention they don't stand up to their warranty
@@chuckholmes2075 I have powered Bosch tools from the 1980s that still work and the only thing I've replaced is the power cord. 20 years ago I used a Bosch hammer drill regularly for drilling through concrete and masonry walls to install sleeving for phone and data cabling; and at home I used a big Bosch corded hammer drill/jackhammer combo to drill 2" holes *in ledge rock* for chainlink fencepoles. I don't know what their tools are like these days but a couple decades ago their stuff was built to last.
@@ProjectFarm I'm pretty sure the Bosch tool has a secret "testing mode" it engages when it knows it is being tested - so that it gives a better "emission result". "Sander dustgate"! 😄
GO KOBALT! This sander was the first tool of their line that I ever purchased. I was happy enough that I ditched my ryobis and bought a dozen or so tools in the Kobalt ecosystem so far. Thanks for including them in the review!
@@Tallnerdyguy sorry to break it to y'all. But the kobalt sander does not have a lifetime warranty that's for hand tools only the sane has a 5 year warranty only.
Great work! I bought the Milwaukee 3 years ago when I built my deck. The dust collection "box" system works great in a lab/clean environment but on-site the dust will get caught in the lip of the lid when repeatedly emptying the box causing it to not close all the way. The number of times I've looked down to see it's just dumping all the wood dust on me and there is nothing in the box is about 20% of the time. Very annoying. I've 3D printed an adapter so I can use a dust bag from my corded one on it. Works much better.
I had to use one in a staircase, within 5 minutes the entire place was dust filled and you could barely breath or see, the box supplied is awful and it loves to kick out dust
Thank you for your comment. I to am a Milwaukee fan boy and have this sander. I can't begin to express my displeasure with the box. I don't think i've ever got it the lid to stay on. As soon as I think I do I look down and it's off again. I've actually thrown mine away and will only use the vacuum attachment.
@@uncletoy774 I'm a Milwaukee fan boy too but I've watched several videos from PF and it's not as good as it once was, my old corded tools seemed to work better. I have two brushless drills, the chucks suck, drills constantly slip. If I didn't have all the batteries I'd go to another brand.
I just bought the Milwaukee version a few months ago, but had not seen this video until now. It served its purpose for me, I made a twin XL wooden bed frame and used it to sand 3 lengths of 8' 2x10 SPF on one side down to 220 grit and then sand about a 1/8" radius all outside edges of the frame when it was built. It took about 2 fully charged 4AH Milwaukee batteries to do the work. I don't have an air compressor at home and also the tool was on sale for $60 off (normally $159cad, got it for $99cad) so that was why I had purchased it. My only complaint is how bulky it is with a 4ah battery and a dust bag hanging off its hind end. But it kinda helps keep pressure on the board so then you can just focus on directing it.
With 5 year warranty on the tool, and 3 year on the battery, plus replacement cost of batteries, Kobalt is hard to beat. Glad to see you include them more in your testing.
I had a 4 ah battery start only charging to 3 bars and they replaced my whole 4 tool set with no questions asked also sent me a part for my table saw that broke even though I told them it was my fault and they didn't even make me pay for shipping! So that seems odd or you just come off as a d#-* so they didn't help u
This might be a strange one. Last weekend, I was swapping out the anti-freeze. Walked into Oreilly’s and was give a plethora of options. Everything from the store brand to something that had “nano” technology. This might be something you can test. Boil point/freeze/gel, rust and corrosion, stuff like that. It would take you back to your oil days.
I cannot stress this enough. Buy what your vehicle manufacturer reccomends in the owners manual and workshop manual. Especially if your vehicle is still under some kind of warranty. Coolants of different types should not be mixed.
@@Joetechlincolns 2013 F-150, so it eats what’s on the shelf. The only thing that I put into it that was factory was the transmission and differential fluids made by Motorcraft.
RMI-25 is the NO1 additive for ALL cooling systems. Use it with water only above 5 degrees C or with ANY antifreeze / antiboil solutions in colder temps.
I like Kobalt power tools, so I'm happy to see them in your tests, though I'm a bit surprised just how well it did in this one. Great job as always though, your tests are great!
I have to second this. Kobalt tools don’t show up in most comparisons, but their batteries are amazingly cheap and their dual action polisher is nearly the lowest vibration on one test I saw.
Kobalt for the win, I'm in trades and have yellow and Red fans like man maybe blue was the way to go after all. I've got piles of batteries and about 12 tools now and don't even have a 3rd of the cost in that they do. my kobalt stuff also keeps right up with the majority of thier tools as well. there will be exceptions however bang for your buck wise everyone I work with is loving my box of blue glory.
Consistency is key for a uniform sand of your project. That's why I use Bosch. The corded Bosch has never let me down and I anecdotally noticed how well the particles are collected. It's a superbly efficient palmsander.
For these tool tests, I think it would be beneficial to compare performance against a top corded offering - this way, it can showcase the power benefits or drawbacks of cordless vs. a corded item. For instance, trying out a corded sander merely as a reference. This can also show whether cordless is a good value or not - can you get similar (or better?) performance from a corded model that costs half as much?
I know it’s already a lot of work, but I’d love to see a good corded and a really cheap corded. It’d be nice to know, if I want to be cheap, should I just deal with a cord? Presumably, I’m looking at a cheap cordless because I don’t expect to use it a lot. Would be nice to know if I tolerating the cord gets me substantially better performance at the low end.
@@gf2e Im guessing corded is the way to go for low price. If you arent doing much sanding it may not be worth the extra money. If you already have tool batteries its not as bad, but buying a battery and charger just for a sander adds a lot to the cost. Performance is probably similar corded or battery, but battery will have limited run time. Not sure if he covered run time in this video Then again if you aren't doing a lot of sanding the run time may not be an issue, and cordless definitely is convenient at times. Youll just have to figure out if the extra cost is worth it to you.
@@A6Legit There also is something to consider as well, that it's possible to remove too much material too quickly. The more material removed the worse it is when you lose focus or are trying to be precise when your sanding... So, I guess if you're gonna do a *lot* of sanding, you'd want one for bulk removal and one that's easier to control and doesn't remove as much as fast to do the finishing work.
@@InfernosReaper Thats what different grit is for. I generally use my palm sander for everything. 60-80 when you need to take off a lot, 200-400 for smoothing. I had to remove finish off a large table and for that I used a belt sander. Belts take off more material faster in my experience (varies with grit) but it is easier to over sand when youre trying to remove a lot of material quick. Definitely would not recommend doing it on plywood because youll sand right through the veneer. You have to go over it with finer grits with a palm sander because belts leave directional scratches. Id definitely recommend a palm sander to start. Its more versatile.
@@ProjectFarm I agree with electronicsNmore. I feel a sense of pride just from subscribing, because your tests are so high quality that I feel smart for recognizing the thoroughness.
I'm not too convinced that was a meaningful test. Lots of room for human error, and particularly the pull off force seemed to correlate strongly with how much of the paper was pulled when the test started. Logically, you will get the strongest pull force when the paper is exactly halfway off, and it's being held by the full diameter of hooks/loops. You will get corresponding less force to break away if only a tiny flap is pulled off, and a small chord of the disc is immediately in tension. There are some other issues with this kind of a rigz but that's a big one- and it only stands out to me because typically his testing is very legit.
It would be interesting to see testing for the top rated “windshield repair kit”for cracks/chips caused by road debris. With so many people commuting daily, accidents will happen.
I bought both the 18v and 12v Bosch sanders when they came out not long ago and I love them. As far as I can tell the only difference between the 2 is run time. The performance of both is nearly identical but the 12v chews through the batteries quite fast. I had been wanting a cordless sander for a while but what finally sold me was the design of the Bosch. The fact that it is shaped more like an air sander makes it wonderful to use.
NICE! THIS IS GOLD! I have the craftsman sander and have been going back and forth about whether or not to upgrade to the Milwaukee since I’ve upgraded the vast majority of my non-outdoor power tools to Milwaukee.
this was an awesome Review and Comparison! thank you so much for all the extra work you did on these sanders. I'm a DeWalt brand user and would most likely still get the DeWalt as I have a lot of their 20 volt and 60 volt max tools but that Bosch was very impressive to me.
Remember, these videos are anecdotal results. They do not reflect every possible situation or result. The methods used seem scientific enough, but the best way to reach a foolproof conclusion is to test multiple tools over multiple days/weeks. Also, there are tests he did not perform, such as how these tools handle being dropped, how the tools handle after a month of heavy usage, tool performance on low or medium settings, or even how complete the tools ecosystem is. Hopefully his results provide feedback to poor performing tools and they improve the designs.
Excellent testing as always! Good idea with the particle counter. Next up, you may want to test different kinds of sanding paper - some claim to work faster, others to spread almost no dust. Some will also be cheap but not last long, while others last longer but cost more. Sounds like a scenario right up your alley for testing.
He's being REALLY nice by not pointing out that he already did a sandpaper test lol look it up in his videos! The winners, if I recall, were the Diablo regular (value), Diablo SandNet (removal), and 3M Cubitron (overall). Best one now is better than Cubitron and also made by 3M, it's called Xtract.
Awesome video Todd! I'm glad to see Kobalt being included in more of these power tool tests. Could you test spray bottles or battery sprayers? Spray bottles can really vary on ease to spray, amount sprayed pretty stroke, spray pattern, maximum viscosity, and if they just dribble when spraying slowly.
Drop testing would also be welcome. I’ve found a couple of spray bottles to get done on a single 4ft drop. The trigger would no longer work or it would leak
@@luisinhoens90, I have found that pump sprayers of the kind that you pump air into to pressurize them have a tendency to only work for one season or become leaky, and if you spray any kind of household cleaning solutions or garden chemicals with them, the seals often go bad really quickly; Spray valve in the handle is the usual place where they fail and leak, and they're not really designed to be easy to repair by replacing the rubber parts. They contain an awful lot of plastic that really shouldn't be going into the landfill after just one season's usage.
You've tested so many battery tools now, it would be interesting to see a summary of your results with an eye toward answering: "Which tool brand/battery system should I invest in?" Maybe with budget vs pro perspectives.
Ryobi all the way, if you’re a hobbyist/home owner. They have by far the most tools, and you can buy them remanufactured/factory second s from Direct Tools really cheap, and you still get a warranty. I’ve never had any problems with them, and have over 30 tools that get a lot of use. I do use Milwaukee also, mainly at work as a mechanic. Milwaukee’s ratchets, and impacts are second to none.
@@chesterswingjr9796 ryobi is outdated and quality is not there. There isn't really a realistic way to test reliability so that wouldn't work out to well.
Ryobi's biggest fault is their clown-foot battery, though. It can make some of the tools mis-balanced, or hard to get in places. The 3/8" Extended Reach Ratchet is one such example. That being said, there's probably no perfect battery profile for all occasions. Also, why the heck can't they put model numbers on their web page for products? If it's there or on Home Despot's site at all, it's extremely hard to find.
Can I just say how much I appreciate that you use metric for all measurements in your reviews? I know that many of the people using these tools are probably working in and measuring their projects using imperial, but metric just makes _so much more_ sense for the sorts of things you’re measuring!! Much easier to say “this one removed 8 grams of material and this one removed 12”, vs “this one removed 0.28oz, and this one removed 0.42oz” 😆. Makes it _much_ easier to mentally compare the differences that way, as well!!
As someone who sells tools, this information is so useful! Love your showdowns, it's a dense rush of information that I'm very interested in. Even though I'm a Makita dealer I have no problem recommending another brand in the name of giving an accurate representation of the product. I do use a LOT of the tools so I know how they perform, but I don't have the easy access to the other brands. The added information also helps to let me know which tools to stock and the quantity. I guess I run a pretty tight ship.. But I do love me my power tools!
Glad to see Kobalt still holding strong within the "Mid-range DIY-er" market. I own 5 tools in the Kobalt line and I plan on adding to that should I ever need to. Been wonderful for me, even though I used the angle grinder in a professional shop environment for nearly a year it still purrs like the day I got it
I have been using DeWalt for a while due to that being the first type of battery I ended up getting and the convenience of not having to find the 'correct' battery. This video gives me a lot of information and while it may not be the best, it seems it's still a great choice, especially having the batteries already. The wife has been looking to get me a gift for my birthday and I have informed her to watch your videos if she plans on getting any tools.
Really enjoying the content. I got hooked from a curiosity of how well duct tape and AA batteries performed years ago and just kept watching ever since. There's a very low chance I'd ever use most of what's on this channel since I'm not into the related fields, but the way you demonstrate and test each brand is pretty entertaining on its own. I even decided to buy one of the multi tools you tested awhile back since there's been so many times I needed something like it. Keep up the good work!
Sometimes, I enjoy the video just for the "I wonder how he's going to test these....." aspect. Always interesting! And my dewalt coupled with Cubitron mesh paper is a BEAST! The dust collection is even better with the mesh sandpaper. I didn't think Cubitron would do as well, but boy is it a game changer.
Thank you for showing the final numbers for each test. I value dusty collection and lack of vibration way more than anything else so I used the numbers to make my own comparison.
Thank you for putting craftsman in this test it’s a legit brand I wish more people would use it in test’s of different tools 👏🏻 Also every time I use my sander the bag has to be emptied quite often so it definitely collects the dust but I hook any sander up to the shop vacuum if feasible.
The problem is that craftsman used to be a great tool company. They sold out and are now just another chinese made cheap bag of crap. There are too many affordable tools that will always outperform anything it offers.
@@InchFab Yes but if the price is right you can justify the purchase. Maybe another very affordable tool performs better, but if the Craftsman costs less it may be a good choice. As long as the price matches the performance it's hard to go wrong.
@@PANZERFAUST90 you're right. Some people just can't afford higher priced tools even though they're "better." I don't own any festool products because of exactly that. My 18v milwaukee fetish hasn't let me down yet, but if I could afford a Hilti grinder or drill, I'd most definitely have one. Craftsman tools are probably the right choice for some that don't really use tools often, or are on tight budget. My tools are my money makers, so I HAVE to spend a little more to get the performance and longevity.
Great tests as always! I had a suggestion for a video. Bench top planers. There’s a lot of variety in their RPMs and amp draw and some even have different blade configuration so seeing which could take the most material off without stalling, which had the most durable blades, which met their RPM claims as well as which planed the fastest would be pretty neat. Either way, thanks for the enjoyable and informative content!
Thanks for this! A couple of caveats! First, I have found that the flatness of the wood being sanded has a great impact on how "squirrely" the sander gets, the more uneven the more squirrely the sander, but you didn't mention if you check for that by cross-testing with different wood. Also, and probably not needing mentioning, is most people choose a brand for general usability, battery life, and affordability and go with that brand, so as long as that brand is generally rated well in most tool tests we are happy with our choice. I chose Ryobi for these reasons and it would be nearly impossible to switch to any other. I have six batteries and get more invested every few months!
True, and not only that, in storage the top pieces exposed to more light and environment can harden as it darkens, the pieces under keeps a fresher surface. Last week i was cutting pieces from an old board that had darkened severely, tried to bring forward some fresh looking surface by sanding with a multicutter but it was like nothing happened, surface was too hard. And this was only darkened by exposure to light as the board was wrapped in its original plastic. The test pieces should have had fresh cut straight surfaces.
I have a lot of Ryobi tools and batteries as well. I am never disappointed at its performance in the videos. Sure its rarely every on the top but still ends up outperforming at least half of the ones tested and tends to be some of the steadier pieces. also I think he probably cut the wood himself to make sure they were all exactly the same. I am surprised he didn't mention that, he normally remembers too.
@@TwistedFoxblade Kind of reminds me of the old Sears products; they were consistently near the top in reliability and performance, enough so I felt safe buying them! 😀
Todd, my apologies for suggesting a test on oil filter wrenches last week. I didn't expect the negative comments. Anyway, we love your channel, no matter what you are testing. Thanks again for the tight editing. Keep up the awesome work. To paraphrase Field of Dreams, "If you test it, we will watch."
@@Willx1012 If you have a few minutes, go read my comment last week about oil filter wrenches and the replies. Some good, some not so good. Thanks for the reply.
As usual -- a very meticulous and very informative tool comparison that answers all my questions. The most important tool review channel in the world. I have a request -- please compare portable job site table saws. I have seen all the videos on CZcams comparing PJSTS, but I feel you will create the better/best review video.
Another great video, loved that you included dust collection. I wonder if one day it would be possible to do a test of dust collection on a range of mitre saws, because many are terrible and choosing the right one could significantly benefit health...just an idea, thanks :)
Thank you very much for taking the time to do all these tests with no fluff in the video. These are the best tests to do as well with less variables for unfair results. I appreciate you.
Been looking at cordless jigsaws for my hobbies, a cord can really get in the way. A test of these would be very helpful. Some of the ones I've been looking at are the Bauer, Worx, Skil, Milwaukee M12 and M18, Craftsman, Dewalt, and several other brands available at Lowes and Home Depot. I have many batteries for Worx (from yard tools) and Milwaukee M12 and M18 so would be savings by not needing to buy batteries. Thanks and keep up the great work.
The Dewalt cordless jigsaw is best of those you listed. I researched many hours and many good sources. The Milwaukee had some concerning complaints about the blade clutch mechanism failing.
I have that Ryobi sander. I've used it on wood working, wall sanding, and even body work. Ity's a little unwieldy, but works pretty well. Funny thing is that Ryobi came out with a replacement model that's just hitting stores now. Supposed to be more powerful and vibrate less while being smaller. I'd love to see a head to head between the old and new models. Also, I noticed you have one of the new HP batteries, wish should help the performance of HP brushless tools like that angle grinder.
Vibration is a huge problem for people sanding a lot, I am suprised Ryobi did such a good job on that part and some major brands did not. I have Lidl's Parkside sander, it's cheap and battery powered, but you cant feel your hand after a couple of minutes. Healthwise, vibrations can create huge problems
Great video! The vibration factor can be huge. It can make the difference between your hand vibrating for days after a big job or not. I did wonder if when used with a vacuum attachment how much better the dust collection would be. Too bad some of these double in price with a battery and charger or I'd probably get the Bosch to go along with my old DeWalt corded sander.
Glad you brought up the vibration being hell on your hands. Our shop that I did custom woodworking at supplied gloves, one day I suggested vibration dampening gloves because I had seen some at home Depot that had gel on the palm of the gloves. Needless to say the supervisors laughed at that suggestion, and said no. You know how it goes though it's not their hands that feel it everyday
@@NoBody-ro3xj Exactly, uncompelled unless it’s them. - A neighbor came to Nasrudin for an interpretation on a point of law. ‘My cow was gored by your bull. Do I get any compensation?’ ‘Certainly not. How can a man be held responsible for what an animal does?’ ‘Just a moment,’ said the crafty villager. ‘I am afraid I got the question back to front. What actually happened was that my bull gored your cow.’ ‘Ah,’ said the Mulla, ‘ this is more involved. I shall have to look up the book of precedents, for there may be other factors involved which are relevant and which could alter the case.’ Lol
12:49 about the grip strength - I think the human factor in the testing will be noticeable, I recommend checking maybe 5 times if average result is the same, or removing the human factor by making the pull strength uniform in time.
I’m not sure is important anyways, I’ve got the Dewalt for a while and I actually like that it doesn’t grip too hard. It’s easier to change the paper, yet it still holds enough and I’ve never had the paper shifting on it.
Awesome. Bosch it is! If only it had a vertical battery slot and maybe a second on the other side, you could fit 2x 4Ah batteries and enjoy an extended session. Still, seems a fantastic tool for what it's intended.
Thank you for the video! I use Ryobi and at this point I’m too committed to switch to another ecosystem but I like watching the Ryobi products perform at an average pace since I’m just an at home DIY type of guy
Having used most of these, I'm going to have to say the Bosch wins! (especially when you can use over an hour with a 4ah on high, and it's only $130 with battery/charger at Lowe's.)
Thank you for the video idea! I'll do it if there's a LOT of interest. I buy all the products I test and it'll cost quite a bit for this one. Thanks again!
Bought an echo 58v about 4 years ago and been using it and the whole lineup since then (trimmer, blower, chainsaw). They recently changed the system up so, while I don't need to upgrade yet, it's been on my mind that at some point I can't get the same batteries or pieces for an outdated mower. I think the electric ride ons are starting to come out as well
Wonderful video, sir! One project idea that has been on my mind to share, is do upper cylinder lubricants actually work? I've always wondered if the Amsoil, Seafoam or Lucas brands actually lubricate like they say they do or if it's just snake oil. As always, thank you for doing such great work!
Thank you for replying! I've seen his video for the normal variation of Seafoam, whereas the specific one I was referring to is specifically advertised as a concreted upper cylinder lubricant. I definitely think it would be worth testing it out as many of the major brands brag about this kind of product
What timing! I was just doing a bunch of hand sanding this past week thinking it might be time for a sander. The amount of dust captured by the Bosch is seriously impressive! Seems like it might be worth a belt sander test?
I know it would be a fairly subjective criteria, but did all the random orbit sanders leave a good finish or did some leave much more squiggly lines, you know, those small loopy lines from a non-optimal random pattern? A non-random spinning disk like a grinder with sandpaper is much more effective at removing wood, but the much better finish where you can't see the sanding scratches is what random orbit sanders are for. I was just wondering if some competitors managed to edge out others in wood removal, but paled in surface finish quality.
Other test have shown huge differences in finish quality between brands. Would love to have seen water put on board or stain to show scratch pattern for pigtails
I think it'd be dependent on your personal needs. From what I can tell all brands have their pros and cons across their different product lines so there's not exactly a singular best choice.
I’ve watched a lot of his videos, personally I feel like for battery operated tools Milwaukee is consistently on top (even though not so much on this one). I went with the Milwaukee ecosystem after watching his videos and i’ve been very happy with it.
@@SVT_Nate yea, i second that. Milwaukee is not always top, but usually in the top 3. And he often says how impressed he is with their tools. Pricey, but worth it. What i did, was to go off of the tool i use the most. For me, it was the impact driver and saws all, which are the 2 tools i use the most as a plumber, becoming a general contractor. His reviews and other channels put the Milwaukee as the strongest drill. So i got into that battery system. They are expensive, but made to last. Previously, working for other people using their chosen brands, i saw boss types having to replace tools semi often. Or the tools not holding up to pro working standards and being frustrated or wasting time. So when i went solo, i chose Milwaukee for my company. Every tool i have gets used and abused. Gravity slaps me about twice per day. Haven't broken a single tool yet. I have a driver & hammer drill, 3 saws alls (different sizes), 2 drain snakes, router, sander, sander polisher, circular saw, pex expander, air blower, vacuum, and several others. Mixed between m12 & m18. Wouldn't replace them for any other. Especially since i hate having multiple batt systems and chargers in the truck.
@@ProjectFarm I agree with Jackle84200, do a corded comparison showdown! I have a Bauer corded orbital sander, and I've had zero issues out of it. I would love to see how it compares to say a Dewalt. Then you could show an overall comparison of the Corded AND Cordless sanders.
I love how I'll watch these videos, forget about them, then when I'm thinking about buying something, I search Project Farm, and you almost always have it!
Great testing as usual. I had two more ideas for you. Have you ever done wired vs battery on some tools to compare how they perform? Also, it would be interesting to see your data on how complete sets of battery powered tools perform. Like if I was going to buy all new battery powered tools from scratch, how does Bosch, vs Milwaukee, vs, Dewalt, Vs Ridgid, etc perform as a set.
I was just imagining your battery charging bay. It must be an impressive sight. How on earth do you keep track of all these tools? For years now I've used Ryobi 18+ (But they are a very dated bulky format, also rather fragile in my experience). I have random orbital, belt form and static sanding solutions ALL mains powered, since its all workshop based.
Love all the metric measurements!!! It’s most welcome in a CZcams filled with imperials I have to convert in my head. Thank you for another informative video.
Another useful test for me as I’m needing to purchase a new sander after wearing out my corded Dewalt. I find myself re-watching your content as it’s so well done and useful.
This review is astonishingly well done and comprehensive. I needed to make a quick decision today on a sander for an ongoing project and you helped me to do that. Bravo and thank you Sir!
Another excellent video, after 10 years of carpentry I have changed a lot of the hardware I purchase thanks to your videos, with no regrets! Keep it up!
I’ve got the craftsman and boy has that sucker lived longer than I thought done multiple full car paint jobs hours of sanding and so much nasty dust and no signs of slowing up! Also great video as always appreciate all you do for us all!!
I only own one Bosch tool...and it's this amazing sander. It's nice and weighty, quiet smooth, very ergonomic, and as good as their high end corded orbital and 2 stage sanders.
your narrative speed is like someone is chasing you, anyway it took lots of time for you to make this useful video, although still not clear which sander should be chosen. Thanks.
after having lung problems from sanding and not having a good enough mask, I had trouble breathing for about 4 months before it got better, the Bosh is sworn by woodworking professionals good to see the results of all these sanders though..
Awesome! Love that you are doing even more battery tools. I believe I own every Ryobi tool you have tested so far and have yet to regret a purchase based on my use or your reviews! Great video.
I can only imagine the shop size PF's got just to house all the tools he buys. How about a video showing all the tools and other stuff you have accumulated to do your testing. By far the best comparison channel on the web!
I went with the Black & Decker. - Light weight, less than 2 lbs, matters a lot when sanding ceilings and walls. - It is very easy to handle and control. - Sands very fast. I also watched your video on sanding disks and went with the Diablo Sandnet. It far outlasts the others to where it is the most cost effective and time effective. They last so long it will be a long time before I buy disks again with the assortment pack I bought. - I don't care about dust. Little or a lot, there is going to be dust. - The only downside is the vibration. It vibrates A LOT. If you use a sander a lot, the level of vibration will be a more important factor with the satisfaction with sanders. - The price of $60 with brushed motor, battery, and charger, makes it the lowest cost. I can easily afford the best, but it simply doesn't make sense when my tools spend most of their life in a wooden box in the basement. - The low additional cost of getting the Black & Decker kits with the battery and charger cause me to buy the kit so I can simply grab the tool and use it rather than look for the battery. The string trimmer always has a battery in it. The sawzall, which gets its most use cutting up fallen tree branches, always has a battery in it. I find the 1.5Ah battery that comes with it is more than enough for a project and I don't need to charge them every time I use them. Another advantage is you always have a charger where you need it, garage, basement, and can charge more than one at a time. I haven't had one issue with Black & Decker tools. These reasons auto-standardized me on the Black & Decker battery platform. - I can ALMOST standardize everything I need battery powered on Black & Decker, but do you know that they don't make a 1/2" drill? They also don't make a 20v circular saw with at 6 1/2" or 7 1/4" blade. Here I went with Porter Cable. If you buy an aftermarket charger, they will charge both batteries. With a little work with a Dremel, you can make the batteries work with either brand. The jury is still out with Porter Cable for me. I haven't used the 6 1/2" circular saw for anything meaningful yet, and the chuck on the 1/2" hammer drill chuck loosens and slips on large drills and needs to be re-tightened during use, but otherwise works well. Some replace the chuck with a steel ratcheting chuck. *I learned the hard way that there are no deals with aftermarket batteries. I bought 2 aftermarket batteries for the Porter Cable with great reviews. Both were bad. I then paid more than twice that for one OEM battery. It works perfectly. The only reason I bought the battery rather than use the Black & Decker batteries is to have one big battery, and modifying the Porter Cable battery to fit the Black & Decker is easier than the reverse.
Your videos have influenced the tools I use daily. This "no nonsense" style works so very well for my neurodiverse mind. I obsess about not falling to false economy and the simplicity or your testing vs the precision applied is incredible. I hope this pays your bills because I'd love for you to continue for many more years. Many thanks and much appreciated.
Hello PF, I appreciate the video on Burr bits. Boy do those suckers get pricey over the years. There is no good tests on CZcams for 12 v automotive coolers, to keep drinks/food in. I live in SC. It gets hot and humid here. Started to shop around. And well I’m hopping you could help. One that can fit in my passenger seat. Single cab truck I service emergency road calls on semi trucks. Keep up the awesome content! Thank You PF !!!
I really appreciate all the effort that goes into making these videos. Hours and a hours of sanding, man, you must have so much patience doing all that.
I learned the hard way how valuable having a good orbital sander is. I have been working on restoring our old trailer and my borderline broken orbital sander makes the job crawl.
Weighting dust removed to dust collected gave me chills!
Your testing methods are so simple, logical and precise. The rest of the video is just icing on the cake. We are lucky to have you. You are doing the Big Guy's work. Big Thank You!
Thank you very much!
I too was thrilled when I saw that test. Plus a Dylos. Kudos.
Same here. That is REAL reviewing, not some pseudo biased sponsored reviews. Golden.
Joe Biden reviews tools?
Isn't he brilliant?
I was in the market for a contractor grade extension cord.
I was just going to go by gage and length, finally color so a client wouldn't trip over the cord at the job site.
Mr Farm performed testing that 99.99 would of never dreamnt.
Hey I was interested if you could do a test of rotary tools like dremel. I work with these a lot and I would be very happy if you did a video comparing it with other brands. Love your videos and how you approach testing tools. Thanks
Thank you for the video idea!
I've been waiting on one with the Lucas oil stabilizer and things like that. Mystic viscilube, what not. He did one on the Lucas grease but still waiting. So.....keep waiting.
@@ProjectFarm agree, both corded and cordless
@@nate1sam I’m looking for mostly at corded but I think it would be interesting to see what cordless would have to offer
I would like to see how a Dremel compares with micromotor rotary tools such as Marathon or NSK Evolution.
That Bosch may not work as fast as the others but it's focus on user health and comfort is very impressive!
Have to spend less on masks
I'm glad he _tested that_
Thanks for the feedback.
Have to agree. Don't care if it takes 50% more time. If you use a random orbit sander with any regularity there's no point considering anything else
@@interchangexVP3 yes, the speed of work differences were no where near as dramatic as the air quality differences
that Bosch sander impressed me particularly for those who want to be careful with their health. easy to control means it won't strain your wrists, and flat out superior dust collection is really good for keeping your lungs (and work space) clean. for someone who does a lot of sanding, those are points that carry a LOT of weight. while the amount of material removed is lower, you can probably adjust for that by using a larger grit, rather than just going for longer.
Thanks for the feedback.
I have a small cabinet shop and i've bought a number of Bosch tools over the years. Have had issues with all of them. Spindle lock on two routers broke. Have had two Sanders seize up way earlier than than should have. The Dewalt stuff i have just never quits.
I wouldn't depend on the tool to filter the dust for you. Even if it does a good job it isn't a replacement for a proper respirator. It will keep your working area a bit cleaner though.
A respirator is still a must of you care about your health. And a vacuum will increase both quality of result and air quality.
A year old, but for reference of anyone seeing this in the future the testing didn't really give a complete picture on dust collection.
The testing did a fixed amount of sanding time to show which ones are quicker, but it did not test dust collection for completing the job (regardless of how long it takes).
So one tool may complete the job in 5 minutes, but another takes 8 minutes, however in the tests performed that extra 3 minutes of dust for tool #2 wasn't measured. Tool #2 may still be superior, it may be the same, or it could be worse.
As already mentioned though, you should be wearing a respirator regardless, or at minimum an N95 dust mask.
Product comparison request for you, from my Dad. He'd like to know what caulk is best. We brainstormed a couple things to test. What caulk is toughest in terms of abrasion resistance. How much force does it take to seperate two caulked pieces of wood. What surfaces do the caulks cling well to - paint, plain wood, sanded wood, metal, pcv, glass. A pipe going through a hole, how much force does it take to pull the pipe out. Same with electrical conduit or a bit of romex. How easy are they to apply. How well do they work in the cold, do they stay pliable.
Thank you for the video idea!
Great idea! We'd really need a year after follow up to see shrinking and cracking. DAP is available at all big box stores and doesn't seem to last very long.
Actually WHICH caulk holds up best BEST in the Shower
I'd love to see this one, actually! Could be very useful.
@@tommays56 I would not ever recommend any caulk in a shower. %100 silicone is the best I've found, but it's still not totally immune to mildew and mold getting underneath it.
I like that you included craftsman in your recent tests.
Thank you very much!
Literally one of my most favourite things to watch on a Sunday (evening, in Scotland) is your videos. Thanks for the outstanding content!
Wow, thank you!
I’m just a weekend hack, but I went with ryobi for my tool line. I’ve noticed in most of your reviews, like this one, that the brand consistently hits the middle-of-road performance. Which is what I would expect at its price point. Never hits “professional grade”, but never sucks either. Seems like I made a good choice for my purposes.
That's the same observation I have. It's usually "just good enough" for use weekenders.
Thanks for the feedback.
same
Agree with you on most Ryobi tools but their new HP line has definitly raised their game. Also in this test, I think the Ryobi did much better than the final score indicated. At least in the categories I cared most about. It fared poorly in the last test, the force to remove the pad, but is it fair to award the same number of points to that test than dust collected, wood removed, and vibration?
That’s the same feedback I have for all of their tools I’ve used. I would put them in the “good” category performance wise and “great” for value for money. They obviously aren’t the best but they will get the job done and I see nothing wrong with investing in their tools. They should last years.
Just as i started looking for a cordless orbital sander, this video shows up ! Such timing
Perfect timing! Hope the video helps!
*X-Files theme plays*
Really comprehensive testing 👍. You covered everything that matters in your tests. I am really surprised by the performance of that Milwaukee and Bosch filters. Thank you for your excellent work.
Thank you!
I'm not surprised. Milwaukee and Bosch generally make pretty good products. I'd love to have a Bosch sander 😻
@Don't read profile photo you....
I've seen you before....👁️
I like the dust collection testing. Less mess is always good!
The one thing that wasn't tested was how long you could run the unit with a given battery at a certain downward pressure from the added weight......
Sir, you are a machine! The amount of work you're putting in these videos is simply astonishing! Thank you.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Picked up the Bosch after watching this. I'm genuinely shocked how quiet this thing is given how well it works. Thanks!
You are welcome!
The Bosch's dust collection was so impressive my jaw dropped
Agree. Impressive tool!
@@ProjectFarm _very_ impressive!
except EVERYTHING i've ever owned from BOSCH was trash. I've even had others tell me their tools are pretty but never lasts. not to mention they don't stand up to their warranty
@@chuckholmes2075 I have powered Bosch tools from the 1980s that still work and the only thing I've replaced is the power cord. 20 years ago I used a Bosch hammer drill regularly for drilling through concrete and masonry walls to install sleeving for phone and data cabling; and at home I used a big Bosch corded hammer drill/jackhammer combo to drill 2" holes *in ledge rock* for chainlink fencepoles. I don't know what their tools are like these days but a couple decades ago their stuff was built to last.
@@ProjectFarm I'm pretty sure the Bosch tool has a secret "testing mode" it engages when it knows it is being tested - so that it gives a better "emission result".
"Sander dustgate"! 😄
GO KOBALT! This sander was the first tool of their line that I ever purchased. I was happy enough that I ditched my ryobis and bought a dozen or so tools in the Kobalt ecosystem so far. Thanks for including them in the review!
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
The lifetime warranty makes a very strong case
Yup, Kobalt FTW! I am glad I went with Kobalt for my tool lineup.
@@Tallnerdyguy sorry to break it to y'all. But the kobalt sander does not have a lifetime warranty that's for hand tools only the sane has a 5 year warranty only.
Great work! I bought the Milwaukee 3 years ago when I built my deck. The dust collection "box" system works great in a lab/clean environment but on-site the dust will get caught in the lip of the lid when repeatedly emptying the box causing it to not close all the way. The number of times I've looked down to see it's just dumping all the wood dust on me and there is nothing in the box is about 20% of the time. Very annoying. I've 3D printed an adapter so I can use a dust bag from my corded one on it. Works much better.
Thank you!
I had to use one in a staircase, within 5 minutes the entire place was dust filled and you could barely breath or see, the box supplied is awful and it loves to kick out dust
Thank you for your comment. I to am a Milwaukee fan boy and have this sander. I can't begin to express my displeasure with the box. I don't think i've ever got it the lid to stay on. As soon as I think I do I look down and it's off again. I've actually thrown mine away and will only use the vacuum attachment.
@@uncletoy774
I'm a Milwaukee fan boy too but I've watched several videos from PF and it's not as good as it once was, my old corded tools seemed to work better. I have two brushless drills, the chucks suck, drills constantly slip. If I didn't have all the batteries I'd go to another brand.
@@mosfet500 oh no I was about to buy the drill ... I might be trying something else then.
I just bought the Milwaukee version a few months ago, but had not seen this video until now. It served its purpose for me, I made a twin XL wooden bed frame and used it to sand 3 lengths of 8' 2x10 SPF on one side down to 220 grit and then sand about a 1/8" radius all outside edges of the frame when it was built. It took about 2 fully charged 4AH Milwaukee batteries to do the work. I don't have an air compressor at home and also the tool was on sale for $60 off (normally $159cad, got it for $99cad) so that was why I had purchased it. My only complaint is how bulky it is with a 4ah battery and a dust bag hanging off its hind end. But it kinda helps keep pressure on the board so then you can just focus on directing it.
With 5 year warranty on the tool, and 3 year on the battery, plus replacement cost of batteries, Kobalt is hard to beat. Glad to see you include them more in your testing.
Thanks!
Kobalt power tools Warranty service is a nightmare, I will never buy them again. Dewalt and Makita have amazing customer service.
@@philmccabe9547 Did they not accept returns? Every dealing I've had with them has been good.
Yes, it seems kobalt finishes in the top five usually and for the price they seem to be onto something
I had a 4 ah battery start only charging to 3 bars and they replaced my whole 4 tool set with no questions asked also sent me a part for my table saw that broke even though I told them it was my fault and they didn't even make me pay for shipping! So that seems odd or you just come off as a d#-* so they didn't help u
This might be a strange one. Last weekend, I was swapping out the anti-freeze. Walked into Oreilly’s and was give a plethora of options. Everything from the store brand to something that had “nano” technology. This might be something you can test. Boil point/freeze/gel, rust and corrosion, stuff like that. It would take you back to your oil days.
Thank you!
I cannot stress this enough. Buy what your vehicle manufacturer reccomends in the owners manual and workshop manual. Especially if your vehicle is still under some kind of warranty. Coolants of different types should not be mixed.
@@Joetechlincolns 2013 F-150, so it eats what’s on the shelf. The only thing that I put into it that was factory was the transmission and differential fluids made by Motorcraft.
The test would more like 'let's see what happens to a vehicle when we don't use the correct antifreeze'.
RMI-25 is the NO1 additive for ALL cooling systems. Use it with water only above 5 degrees C or with ANY antifreeze / antiboil solutions in colder temps.
I like Kobalt power tools, so I'm happy to see them in your tests, though I'm a bit surprised just how well it did in this one. Great job as always though, your tests are great!
Thanks and you are welcome!
I have to second this. Kobalt tools don’t show up in most comparisons, but their batteries are amazingly cheap and their dual action polisher is nearly the lowest vibration on one test I saw.
Kobalt for the win, I'm in trades and have yellow and Red fans like man maybe blue was the way to go after all. I've got piles of batteries and about 12 tools now and don't even have a 3rd of the cost in that they do. my kobalt stuff also keeps right up with the majority of thier tools as well. there will be exceptions however bang for your buck wise everyone I work with is loving my box of blue glory.
Consistency is key for a uniform sand of your project. That's why I use Bosch. The corded Bosch has never let me down and I anecdotally noticed how well the particles are collected. It's a superbly efficient palmsander.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thank you for your hard work, Todd! Your reviews are a game-changer.
I appreciate that!
Yes...thank you for these great tests and reviews!
What was the game?
For these tool tests, I think it would be beneficial to compare performance against a top corded offering - this way, it can showcase the power benefits or drawbacks of cordless vs. a corded item. For instance, trying out a corded sander merely as a reference. This can also show whether cordless is a good value or not - can you get similar (or better?) performance from a corded model that costs half as much?
Thanks for the suggestion.
I know it’s already a lot of work, but I’d love to see a good corded and a really cheap corded. It’d be nice to know, if I want to be cheap, should I just deal with a cord? Presumably, I’m looking at a cheap cordless because I don’t expect to use it a lot. Would be nice to know if I tolerating the cord gets me substantially better performance at the low end.
@@gf2e Im guessing corded is the way to go for low price. If you arent doing much sanding it may not be worth the extra money. If you already have tool batteries its not as bad, but buying a battery and charger just for a sander adds a lot to the cost.
Performance is probably similar corded or battery, but battery will have limited run time. Not sure if he covered run time in this video
Then again if you aren't doing a lot of sanding the run time may not be an issue, and cordless definitely is convenient at times. Youll just have to figure out if the extra cost is worth it to you.
@@A6Legit There also is something to consider as well, that it's possible to remove too much material too quickly. The more material removed the worse it is when you lose focus or are trying to be precise when your sanding... So, I guess if you're gonna do a *lot* of sanding, you'd want one for bulk removal and one that's easier to control and doesn't remove as much as fast to do the finishing work.
@@InfernosReaper Thats what different grit is for. I generally use my palm sander for everything. 60-80 when you need to take off a lot, 200-400 for smoothing.
I had to remove finish off a large table and for that I used a belt sander. Belts take off more material faster in my experience (varies with grit) but it is easier to over sand when youre trying to remove a lot of material quick. Definitely would not recommend doing it on plywood because youll sand right through the veneer.
You have to go over it with finer grits with a palm sander because belts leave directional scratches. Id definitely recommend a palm sander to start. Its more versatile.
Superb testing as always! I really like the test that you devised for the sandpaper sheet pull off force. You have every kind of tester! :-)
Thank you very much!
@@ProjectFarm I agree with electronicsNmore. I feel a sense of pride just from subscribing, because your tests are so high quality that I feel smart for recognizing the thoroughness.
Quality as usual 👍
Absolutely. Sandpaper pull of force is never mentioned in 'regular' reviews/tests.
I'm not too convinced that was a meaningful test.
Lots of room for human error, and particularly the pull off force seemed to correlate strongly with how much of the paper was pulled when the test started.
Logically, you will get the strongest pull force when the paper is exactly halfway off, and it's being held by the full diameter of hooks/loops. You will get corresponding less force to break away if only a tiny flap is pulled off, and a small chord of the disc is immediately in tension.
There are some other issues with this kind of a rigz but that's a big one- and it only stands out to me because typically his testing is very legit.
It would be interesting to see testing for the top rated “windshield repair kit”for cracks/chips caused by road debris. With so many people commuting daily, accidents will happen.
Thanks for the video idea.
Haha well what do you know, he made the video!
I bought both the 18v and 12v Bosch sanders when they came out not long ago and I love them. As far as I can tell the only difference between the 2 is run time. The performance of both is nearly identical but the 12v chews through the batteries quite fast. I had been wanting a cordless sander for a while but what finally sold me was the design of the Bosch. The fact that it is shaped more like an air sander makes it wonderful to use.
Thanks for sharing.
NICE! THIS IS GOLD! I have the craftsman sander and have been going back and forth about whether or not to upgrade to the Milwaukee since I’ve upgraded the vast majority of my non-outdoor power tools to Milwaukee.
Thank you!!
@@ProjectFarm Update after watching video: Thanks for saving me money. I’ll be keeping my craftsman, I can deal with the vibration. lol
Holy cow, what a thorough and analytic review. Absolutely superb. I look forward to watching more videos in your library and ones to come.
I live in france and before buying any tool , i always check if Project Farm has done a review on it . Thank you so much for all the work
You are welcome!
this was an awesome Review and Comparison! thank you so much for all the extra work you did on these sanders. I'm a DeWalt brand user and would most likely still get the DeWalt as I have a lot of their 20 volt and 60 volt max tools but that Bosch was very impressive to me.
Thanks for the feedback!
Remember, these videos are anecdotal results. They do not reflect every possible situation or result. The methods used seem scientific enough, but the best way to reach a foolproof conclusion is to test multiple tools over multiple days/weeks. Also, there are tests he did not perform, such as how these tools handle being dropped, how the tools handle after a month of heavy usage, tool performance on low or medium settings, or even how complete the tools ecosystem is. Hopefully his results provide feedback to poor performing tools and they improve the designs.
Excellent testing as always! Good idea with the particle counter. Next up, you may want to test different kinds of sanding paper - some claim to work faster, others to spread almost no dust. Some will also be cheap but not last long, while others last longer but cost more. Sounds like a scenario right up your alley for testing.
Great suggestion!
He's being REALLY nice by not pointing out that he already did a sandpaper test lol look it up in his videos!
The winners, if I recall, were the Diablo regular (value), Diablo SandNet (removal), and 3M Cubitron (overall).
Best one now is better than Cubitron and also made by 3M, it's called Xtract.
3M is king
something id love to see tested is sds plus rotary hammers, most major brands have a 1" cordless brushless sds plus rotary hammer. Awesome videos btw
Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.
You are the absolute best at comparative analysis of consumer products. Direct, concise and scientific. Love it. Don’t change a thing…
Thanks so much!
Awesome video Todd! I'm glad to see Kobalt being included in more of these power tool tests. Could you test spray bottles or battery sprayers? Spray bottles can really vary on ease to spray, amount sprayed pretty stroke, spray pattern, maximum viscosity, and if they just dribble when spraying slowly.
Thank you! Thanks for the video idea.
Drop testing would also be welcome. I’ve found a couple of spray bottles to get done on a single 4ft drop. The trigger would no longer work or it would leak
@@luisinhoens90, I have found that pump sprayers of the kind that you pump air into to pressurize them have a tendency to only work for one season or become leaky, and if you spray any kind of household cleaning solutions or garden chemicals with them, the seals often go bad really quickly; Spray valve in the handle is the usual place where they fail and leak, and they're not really designed to be easy to repair by replacing the rubber parts. They contain an awful lot of plastic that really shouldn't be going into the landfill after just one season's usage.
Another great review, and I'm also very impressed with your use of a particulate meter - which I have never seen any other tool reviewer use.
Many thanks!
You've tested so many battery tools now, it would be interesting to see a summary of your results with an eye toward answering: "Which tool brand/battery system should I invest in?" Maybe with budget vs pro perspectives.
Thank you for the video idea!
Ryobi all the way, if you’re a hobbyist/home owner. They have by far the most tools, and you can buy them remanufactured/factory second s from Direct Tools really cheap, and you still get a warranty. I’ve never had any problems with them, and have over 30 tools that get a lot of use. I do use Milwaukee also, mainly at work as a mechanic. Milwaukee’s ratchets, and impacts are second to none.
@@chesterswingjr9796 ryobi is outdated and quality is not there. There isn't really a realistic way to test reliability so that wouldn't work out to well.
Ryobi's biggest fault is their clown-foot battery, though. It can make some of the tools mis-balanced, or hard to get in places. The 3/8" Extended Reach Ratchet is one such example. That being said, there's probably no perfect battery profile for all occasions. Also, why the heck can't they put model numbers on their web page for products? If it's there or on Home Despot's site at all, it's extremely hard to find.
@@JCWren 100% true! Ryobi is shooting themselves in the foot with that battery. They need to move on already
Can I just say how much I appreciate that you use metric for all measurements in your reviews?
I know that many of the people using these tools are probably working in and measuring their projects using imperial, but metric just makes _so much more_ sense for the sorts of things you’re measuring!! Much easier to say “this one removed 8 grams of material and this one removed 12”, vs “this one removed 0.28oz, and this one removed 0.42oz” 😆. Makes it _much_ easier to mentally compare the differences that way, as well!!
Thanks!
As someone who sells tools, this information is so useful! Love your showdowns, it's a dense rush of information that I'm very interested in. Even though I'm a Makita dealer I have no problem recommending another brand in the name of giving an accurate representation of the product. I do use a LOT of the tools so I know how they perform, but I don't have the easy access to the other brands. The added information also helps to let me know which tools to stock and the quantity. I guess I run a pretty tight ship.. But I do love me my power tools!
Thanks and you are welcome!
Glad to see Kobalt still holding strong within the "Mid-range DIY-er" market. I own 5 tools in the Kobalt line and I plan on adding to that should I ever need to. Been wonderful for me, even though I used the angle grinder in a professional shop environment for nearly a year it still purrs like the day I got it
Thanks for sharing!
I love my Kobalt line tools as well, think I’m up to 6 now. Work great
I swear this is one of the top 3 best channels for useful information on tools and such hands down!!!
Thanks!
I really like how uniform and scientific these tests are. I watch these things a lot for tool choices. Very impartial and informative!
Thanks!
I have been using DeWalt for a while due to that being the first type of battery I ended up getting and the convenience of not having to find the 'correct' battery. This video gives me a lot of information and while it may not be the best, it seems it's still a great choice, especially having the batteries already.
The wife has been looking to get me a gift for my birthday and I have informed her to watch your videos if she plans on getting any tools.
Thanks for sharing.
Really enjoying the content. I got hooked from a curiosity of how well duct tape and AA batteries performed years ago and just kept watching ever since. There's a very low chance I'd ever use most of what's on this channel since I'm not into the related fields, but the way you demonstrate and test each brand is pretty entertaining on its own. I even decided to buy one of the multi tools you tested awhile back since there's been so many times I needed something like it. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do! Thanks for sharing.
Sometimes, I enjoy the video just for the "I wonder how he's going to test these....." aspect. Always interesting! And my dewalt coupled with Cubitron mesh paper is a BEAST! The dust collection is even better with the mesh sandpaper. I didn't think Cubitron would do as well, but boy is it a game changer.
Great point!
Thank you for showing the final numbers for each test. I value dusty collection and lack of vibration way more than anything else so I used the numbers to make my own comparison.
You are welcome!
Thank you for putting craftsman in this test it’s a legit brand I wish more people would use it in test’s of different tools 👏🏻
Also every time I use my sander the bag has to be emptied quite often so it definitely collects the dust but I hook any sander up to the shop vacuum if feasible.
The problem is that craftsman used to be a great tool company. They sold out and are now just another chinese made cheap bag of crap. There are too many affordable tools that will always outperform anything it offers.
@@InchFab Yes but if the price is right you can justify the purchase. Maybe another very affordable tool performs better, but if the Craftsman costs less it may be a good choice. As long as the price matches the performance it's hard to go wrong.
I got the 20v brushed craftsman 7 tool set for $300 last year. After a solid years use, I have no regrets. Great tools and great value.
You are welcome!
@@PANZERFAUST90 you're right. Some people just can't afford higher priced tools even though they're "better." I don't own any festool products because of exactly that. My 18v milwaukee fetish hasn't let me down yet, but if I could afford a Hilti grinder or drill, I'd most definitely have one. Craftsman tools are probably the right choice for some that don't really use tools often, or are on tight budget. My tools are my money makers, so I HAVE to spend a little more to get the performance and longevity.
Great tests as always! I had a suggestion for a video. Bench top planers. There’s a lot of variety in their RPMs and amp draw and some even have different blade configuration so seeing which could take the most material off without stalling, which had the most durable blades, which met their RPM claims as well as which planed the fastest would be pretty neat. Either way, thanks for the enjoyable and informative content!
Thanks for this! A couple of caveats! First, I have found that the flatness of the wood being sanded has a great impact on how "squirrely" the sander gets, the more uneven the more squirrely the sander, but you didn't mention if you check for that by cross-testing with different wood. Also, and probably not needing mentioning, is most people choose a brand for general usability, battery life, and affordability and go with that brand, so as long as that brand is generally rated well in most tool tests we are happy with our choice. I chose Ryobi for these reasons and it would be nearly impossible to switch to any other. I have six batteries and get more invested every few months!
True, and not only that, in storage the top pieces exposed to more light and environment can harden as it darkens, the pieces under keeps a fresher surface. Last week i was cutting pieces from an old board that had darkened severely, tried to bring forward some fresh looking surface by sanding with a multicutter but it was like nothing happened, surface was too hard. And this was only darkened by exposure to light as the board was wrapped in its original plastic. The test pieces should have had fresh cut straight surfaces.
I have a lot of Ryobi tools and batteries as well. I am never disappointed at its performance in the videos. Sure its rarely every on the top but still ends up outperforming at least half of the ones tested and tends to be some of the steadier pieces. also I think he probably cut the wood himself to make sure they were all exactly the same. I am surprised he didn't mention that, he normally remembers too.
@@TwistedFoxblade Kind of reminds me of the old Sears products; they were consistently near the top in reliability and performance, enough so I felt safe buying them! 😀
just got DeWalt orbital sander and more than happy after watching this review
Thanks for the feedback.
Todd, my apologies for suggesting a test on oil filter wrenches last week. I didn't expect the negative comments. Anyway, we love your channel, no matter what you are testing. Thanks again for the tight editing. Keep up the awesome work. To paraphrase Field of Dreams, "If you test it, we will watch."
Thank you very much!
Negative comments? I've had some pretty rough times fighting oil filters before, I'd be great to see a comparison of wrenches for them.
I wonder what kind of response my request for testing the best safety goggles will get.
Don't let the bastards grind you down. Some people just like to complain.
@@Willx1012 If you have a few minutes, go read my comment last week about oil filter wrenches and the replies. Some good, some not so good. Thanks for the reply.
As usual -- a very meticulous and very informative tool comparison that answers all my questions. The most important tool review channel in the world. I have a request -- please compare portable job site table saws. I have seen all the videos on CZcams comparing PJSTS, but I feel you will create the better/best review video.
Oh boy at the cost of table saws now PF might go bankrupt lol
Another great video, loved that you included dust collection. I wonder if one day it would be possible to do a test of dust collection on a range of mitre saws, because many are terrible and choosing the right one could significantly benefit health...just an idea, thanks :)
Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.
Thank you very much for taking the time to do all these tests with no fluff in the video. These are the best tests to do as well with less variables for unfair results. I appreciate you.
Thanks so much!
I'd love to see a comparison of different concrete floor sealing products. Between epoxies, paints, penetrating sealers, etc...
Thanks for the videos!
You are welcome! Thanks for the video idea.
Been looking at cordless jigsaws for my hobbies, a cord can really get in the way. A test of these would be very helpful. Some of the ones I've been looking at are the Bauer, Worx, Skil, Milwaukee M12 and M18, Craftsman, Dewalt, and several other brands available at Lowes and Home Depot. I have many batteries for Worx (from yard tools) and Milwaukee M12 and M18 so would be savings by not needing to buy batteries. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Thanks for the video idea.
My sentiments exactly! Great idea!
I have a Dewalt and it is fantastic. I am sure the other good brands are right on par. It is very nice not having a cord for a tool like a Jig Saw.
The Dewalt cordless jigsaw is best of those you listed. I researched many hours and many good sources. The Milwaukee had some concerning complaints about the blade clutch mechanism failing.
Dewalt
I have that Ryobi sander. I've used it on wood working, wall sanding, and even body work. Ity's a little unwieldy, but works pretty well.
Funny thing is that Ryobi came out with a replacement model that's just hitting stores now. Supposed to be more powerful and vibrate less while being smaller. I'd love to see a head to head between the old and new models.
Also, I noticed you have one of the new HP batteries, wish should help the performance of HP brushless tools like that angle grinder.
Unless you’re a professional, I think Ryobi is the best brand across the board or ‘system’. Or Kobalt but I haven’t used them enough to say.
Vibration is a huge problem for people sanding a lot, I am suprised Ryobi did such a good job on that part and some major brands did not. I have Lidl's Parkside sander, it's cheap and battery powered, but you cant feel your hand after a couple of minutes. Healthwise, vibrations can create huge problems
@@nachoisme i see guys on site using ryobi. Their reasoning is that is so cheap that if it breaks they can just buy a new one instantly.
The ingenuity of your tests never ceases to amaze me...
Thanks!
Great video!
The vibration factor can be huge. It can make the difference between your hand vibrating for days after a big job or not.
I did wonder if when used with a vacuum attachment how much better the dust collection would be.
Too bad some of these double in price with a battery and charger or I'd probably get the Bosch to go along with my old DeWalt corded sander.
Thank you!
Glad you brought up the vibration being hell on your hands. Our shop that I did custom woodworking at supplied gloves, one day I suggested vibration dampening gloves because I had seen some at home Depot that had gel on the palm of the gloves. Needless to say the supervisors laughed at that suggestion, and said no. You know how it goes though it's not their hands that feel it everyday
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Exactly, uncompelled unless it’s them.
- A neighbor came to Nasrudin for an interpretation on a point of law.
‘My cow was gored by your bull. Do I get any compensation?’
‘Certainly not. How can a man be held responsible for what an animal does?’
‘Just a moment,’ said the crafty villager. ‘I am afraid I got the question back to front. What actually happened was that my bull gored your cow.’
‘Ah,’ said the Mulla, ‘ this is more involved. I shall have to look up the book of precedents, for there may be other factors involved which are relevant and which could alter the case.’
Lol
Vibration is so huge with these. I redid a bunch of picnic tables and my hands were numb the whole rest of the day.
@@xeropunt5749 And thats a universal thing. Everyone is equal but some are equaler.
12:49 about the grip strength - I think the human factor in the testing will be noticeable, I recommend checking maybe 5 times if average result is the same, or removing the human factor by making the pull strength uniform in time.
I’m not sure is important anyways, I’ve got the Dewalt for a while and I actually like that it doesn’t grip too hard. It’s easier to change the paper, yet it still holds enough and I’ve never had the paper shifting on it.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Awesome. Bosch it is!
If only it had a vertical battery slot and maybe a second on the other side, you could fit 2x 4Ah batteries and enjoy an extended session. Still, seems a fantastic tool for what it's intended.
Thanks!
Thank you for the video! I use Ryobi and at this point I’m too committed to switch to another ecosystem but I like watching the Ryobi products perform at an average pace since I’m just an at home DIY type of guy
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Having used most of these, I'm going to have to say the Bosch wins! (especially when you can use over an hour with a 4ah on high, and it's only $130 with battery/charger at Lowe's.)
Great feedback! Thank you
I do feel that the one test that was missing was a test for how long each sander would run on a given battery with a 10 pound weight on top of it
You should do a vid on battery powered push mower
Thank you for the video idea! I'll do it if there's a LOT of interest. I buy all the products I test and it'll cost quite a bit for this one. Thanks again!
Love the idea
Bought an echo 58v about 4 years ago and been using it and the whole lineup since then (trimmer, blower, chainsaw). They recently changed the system up so, while I don't need to upgrade yet, it's been on my mind that at some point I can't get the same batteries or pieces for an outdated mower. I think the electric ride ons are starting to come out as well
Wonderful video, sir! One project idea that has been on my mind to share, is do upper cylinder lubricants actually work? I've always wondered if the Amsoil, Seafoam or Lucas brands actually lubricate like they say they do or if it's just snake oil. As always, thank you for doing such great work!
Thank you!
Done seafoam before
Thank you for replying! I've seen his video for the normal variation of Seafoam, whereas the specific one I was referring to is specifically advertised as a concreted upper cylinder lubricant. I definitely think it would be worth testing it out as many of the major brands brag about this kind of product
Simply put, the best comparison with a variety relevant tests for orbitals sanders on the Channel
Thanks so much!
Best temperature gun? I feel like accurate readings at range will very quite a bit between brands.
Thank you for the video idea!
What timing! I was just doing a bunch of hand sanding this past week thinking it might be time for a sander. The amount of dust captured by the Bosch is seriously impressive!
Seems like it might be worth a belt sander test?
Thanks for the video idea.
What about best corded sander next?
Thank you for the video idea! I'll do it if there's enough interest
I'm not a professional contractor and mostly just need tools on the weekends and I really like all my Bauer tools. Thanks again for an awesome video!
You are welcome!
I know it would be a fairly subjective criteria, but did all the random orbit sanders leave a good finish or did some leave much more squiggly lines, you know, those small loopy lines from a non-optimal random pattern? A non-random spinning disk like a grinder with sandpaper is much more effective at removing wood, but the much better finish where you can't see the sanding scratches is what random orbit sanders are for. I was just wondering if some competitors managed to edge out others in wood removal, but paled in surface finish quality.
That's an excellent point!
Other test have shown huge differences in finish quality between brands. Would love to have seen water put on board or stain to show scratch pattern for pigtails
Exactly, I would love to see the finish too. I bet all the sanders that jumped around left terrible finishes.
This is probably the most important factor.
agree, this was the weak point of the test. He focused on removal and didn't show the finish.
So after having done this many tests, has the Project Farmer picked the best performing tool platform that every user should consider buying?
I think it'd be dependent on your personal needs. From what I can tell all brands have their pros and cons across their different product lines so there's not exactly a singular best choice.
I’ve watched a lot of his videos, personally I feel like for battery operated tools Milwaukee is consistently on top (even though not so much on this one). I went with the Milwaukee ecosystem after watching his videos and i’ve been very happy with it.
@@SVT_Nate yea, i second that. Milwaukee is not always top, but usually in the top 3. And he often says how impressed he is with their tools. Pricey, but worth it.
What i did, was to go off of the tool i use the most. For me, it was the impact driver and saws all, which are the 2 tools i use the most as a plumber, becoming a general contractor. His reviews and other channels put the Milwaukee as the strongest drill. So i got into that battery system.
They are expensive, but made to last. Previously, working for other people using their chosen brands, i saw boss types having to replace tools semi often. Or the tools not holding up to pro working standards and being frustrated or wasting time.
So when i went solo, i chose Milwaukee for my company. Every tool i have gets used and abused. Gravity slaps me about twice per day. Haven't broken a single tool yet.
I have a driver & hammer drill, 3 saws alls (different sizes), 2 drain snakes, router, sander, sander polisher, circular saw, pex expander, air blower, vacuum, and several others. Mixed between m12 & m18. Wouldn't replace them for any other. Especially since i hate having multiple batt systems and chargers in the truck.
Can you do this with corded Sanders? Also comparing the top cordless to the corded? Thanks for the videos
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
@@ProjectFarm I agree with Jackle84200, do a corded comparison showdown! I have a Bauer corded orbital sander, and I've had zero issues out of it. I would love to see how it compares to say a Dewalt. Then you could show an overall comparison of the Corded AND Cordless sanders.
I love how I'll watch these videos, forget about them, then when I'm thinking about buying something, I search Project Farm, and you almost always have it!
Thanks for sharing.
Great testing as usual. I had two more ideas for you. Have you ever done wired vs battery on some tools to compare how they perform? Also, it would be interesting to see your data on how complete sets of battery powered tools perform. Like if I was going to buy all new battery powered tools from scratch, how does Bosch, vs Milwaukee, vs, Dewalt, Vs Ridgid, etc perform as a set.
Thanks! Thanks for the video ideas.
I was just imagining your battery charging bay. It must be an impressive sight. How on earth do you keep track of all these tools? For years now I've used Ryobi 18+ (But they are a very dated bulky format, also rather fragile in my experience).
I have random orbital, belt form and static sanding solutions ALL mains powered, since its all workshop based.
Thanks for sharing.
@@ProjectFarm if you ever sell these tools let me know! What do you do with them after the tests?
Best shovel ? Husky ,anvil ,Dewalt craftsman ? Any other shovels u can test?
Thank you for the video idea!
Love all the metric measurements!!! It’s most welcome in a CZcams filled with imperials I have to convert in my head. Thank you for another informative video.
You are welcome!
This is how you do a comparison review. Wow. Well done.
Comprehensive, with measurements and concise.
I think "holy cow" is a great way of expressing the opposite of "very impressive". Keeps the audience engaged and conveys a sense of surprise.
Thanks for the feedback.
Another useful test for me as I’m needing to purchase a new sander after wearing out my corded Dewalt. I find myself re-watching your content as it’s so well done and useful.
Thank you!
This review is astonishingly well done and comprehensive. I needed to make a quick decision today on a sander for an ongoing project and you helped me to do that. Bravo and thank you Sir!
Glad I could help!
Another excellent video, after 10 years of carpentry I have changed a lot of the hardware I purchase thanks to your videos, with no regrets! Keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
Just picked up the 12 and 18v versions of the Bosch. Awesome job as usual
Nice! Thanks!
I’ve got the craftsman and boy has that sucker lived longer than I thought done multiple full car paint jobs hours of sanding and so much nasty dust and no signs of slowing up! Also great video as always appreciate all you do for us all!!
Nice! Thanks and you are welcome!
I only own one Bosch tool...and it's this amazing sander. It's nice and weighty, quiet smooth, very ergonomic, and as good as their high end corded orbital and 2 stage sanders.
Thanks for sharing.
I own the Milwaukee and love it...but you're findings are spot on with what I have experience the last couple years.
Thanks for the feedback.
your narrative speed is like someone is chasing you, anyway it took lots of time for you to make this useful video, although still not clear which sander should be chosen. Thanks.
Thank you for all your work on testing these tools. If I am looking to buy a new tool I watch your videos first. Again thanks
Thanks and you are welcome
Watch this even though I do not need any tools they are very entertaining keep it up
Thanks, will do!
after having lung problems from sanding and not having a good enough mask, I had trouble breathing for about 4 months before it got better, the Bosh is sworn by woodworking professionals good to see the results of all these sanders though..
There isn’t a better channel on CZcams than this one!
Thanks!
Got the Bauer for $20 this weekend on sale. Haven’t had a chance to use it yet. Thanks for the review!
You are welcome!
Awesome! Love that you are doing even more battery tools. I believe I own every Ryobi tool you have tested so far and have yet to regret a purchase based on my use or your reviews! Great video.
Thanks!
I can only imagine the shop size PF's got just to house all the tools he buys. How about a video showing all the tools and other stuff you have accumulated to do your testing. By far the best comparison channel on the web!
Thanks for the suggestion.
I went with the Black & Decker.
- Light weight, less than 2 lbs, matters a lot when sanding ceilings and walls.
- It is very easy to handle and control.
- Sands very fast. I also watched your video on sanding disks and went with the Diablo Sandnet. It far outlasts the others to where it is the most cost effective and time effective. They last so long it will be a long time before I buy disks again with the assortment pack I bought.
- I don't care about dust. Little or a lot, there is going to be dust.
- The only downside is the vibration. It vibrates A LOT. If you use a sander a lot, the level of vibration will be a more important factor with the satisfaction with sanders.
- The price of $60 with brushed motor, battery, and charger, makes it the lowest cost. I can easily afford the best, but it simply doesn't make sense when my tools spend most of their life in a wooden box in the basement.
- The low additional cost of getting the Black & Decker kits with the battery and charger cause me to buy the kit so I can simply grab the tool and use it rather than look for the battery. The string trimmer always has a battery in it. The sawzall, which gets its most use cutting up fallen tree branches, always has a battery in it. I find the 1.5Ah battery that comes with it is more than enough for a project and I don't need to charge them every time I use them. Another advantage is you always have a charger where you need it, garage, basement, and can charge more than one at a time. I haven't had one issue with Black & Decker tools. These reasons auto-standardized me on the Black & Decker battery platform.
- I can ALMOST standardize everything I need battery powered on Black & Decker, but do you know that they don't make a 1/2" drill? They also don't make a 20v circular saw with at 6 1/2" or 7 1/4" blade. Here I went with Porter Cable. If you buy an aftermarket charger, they will charge both batteries. With a little work with a Dremel, you can make the batteries work with either brand. The jury is still out with Porter Cable for me. I haven't used the 6 1/2" circular saw for anything meaningful yet, and the chuck on the 1/2" hammer drill chuck loosens and slips on large drills and needs to be re-tightened during use, but otherwise works well. Some replace the chuck with a steel ratcheting chuck.
*I learned the hard way that there are no deals with aftermarket batteries. I bought 2 aftermarket batteries for the Porter Cable with great reviews. Both were bad. I then paid more than twice that for one OEM battery. It works perfectly. The only reason I bought the battery rather than use the Black & Decker batteries is to have one big battery, and modifying the Porter Cable battery to fit the Black & Decker is easier than the reverse.
Great point!
Your videos have influenced the tools I use daily. This "no nonsense" style works so very well for my neurodiverse mind. I obsess about not falling to false economy and the simplicity or your testing vs the precision applied is incredible.
I hope this pays your bills because I'd love for you to continue for many more years.
Many thanks and much appreciated.
You are welcome!
Honestly you're my favorite CZcamsr!!
Thanks!
Hello PF, I appreciate the video on Burr bits. Boy do those suckers get pricey over the years.
There is no good tests on CZcams for 12 v automotive coolers, to keep drinks/food in. I live in SC. It gets hot and humid here. Started to shop around. And well I’m hopping you could help. One that can fit in my passenger seat. Single cab truck I service emergency road calls on semi trucks.
Keep up the awesome content!
Thank You PF !!!
Thanks, will do! Thanks for the video idea.
I really appreciate all the effort that goes into making these videos. Hours and a hours of sanding, man, you must have so much patience doing all that.
Thanks!
I learned the hard way how valuable having a good orbital sander is. I have been working on restoring our old trailer and my borderline broken orbital sander makes the job crawl.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks bro !! I was about to buy a sander and was like hmm i wonder if project farm has a vid to help me buy, lolol was not disappointed.
Thanks for sharing!