Tenet || A Basic Inversion Visualization #1

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  • čas přidán 29. 01. 2021
  • Super basic inversion visualization (SPANISH Subtitles)
    This may help wrap your heads around some basics represented in the film.
    Like why do people sometimes seem to 'disappear'.
    Including some movie clips as examples.
    Cheers
    HERE are some good videos by other youTubers that take it even farther! Keep this visualization in mind as you follow their diagrams.
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  • @Ghost-qo5of
    @Ghost-qo5of Před 3 lety +2773

    The more you understand, the more confused you get

    • @alnairpanis7416
      @alnairpanis7416 Před 3 lety +9

      deymright

    • @radegast2346
      @radegast2346 Před 3 lety +10

      Its reversed

    • @geodescent
      @geodescent Před 3 lety +51

      This video honestly makes it worse

    • @boeingnz
      @boeingnz Před 3 lety +21

      The thing about light and sound just broke the movie physic.
      Sunlight only goes one way and reverse talk is just sucking in the air and make no sound????

    • @muhammadshofwan5309
      @muhammadshofwan5309 Před 3 lety

      It is hahahahaah

  • @emudeko
    @emudeko Před 3 lety +3113

    I'm waiting for a video explaining this video.

  • @pritesh9336
    @pritesh9336 Před 3 lety +2188

    Just like the movie, this video too requires multiple watches

    • @iMangeshSN
      @iMangeshSN Před 3 lety +90

      Yes. Even explanatory videos need explanation 😂

    • @westmcgee9320
      @westmcgee9320 Před 3 lety +12

      I think this one slipped up in a couple areas.

    • @tckelvin
      @tckelvin Před 3 lety +9

      Multiple watches forward and backward

    • @BIAKANOORWorld
      @BIAKANOORWorld Před 3 lety

      🤣🤣

    • @BIAKANOORWorld
      @BIAKANOORWorld Před 3 lety +4

      @@iMangeshSN 🤣there is no explanation. There is only never ending chaos

  • @funnybone6149
    @funnybone6149 Před 3 lety +855

    The more I see Tenet stuff, the more I want a video game based off of this time travel. Their’s not many games based off of time mechanics alone, but inversion of time, catching a bullet, destruction turns into restruction, fighting inverted bad guys, what a spectacle that would be

    • @Routineeffort
      @Routineeffort Před 3 lety +16

      Life is strange has good take on that, but id understand its not everybody's cup of tea

    • @luca_magna7753
      @luca_magna7753 Před 2 lety +17

      Not a full game but there's one mission from dishonored 2 that has time travel

    • @TKGriffiths
      @TKGriffiths Před 2 lety +92

      There's too many plot holes with this mechanic for it to work in anything consistent like a video game.
      Also the fact that this mechanic requires everything already be determined means that the video game would be entirely scripted and the player's inputs unable to change anything anyway.

    • @raincore80
      @raincore80 Před 2 lety +6

      Something very close is a game called lemnis gate.

    • @mastrukko
      @mastrukko Před 2 lety +10

      I thought of that as well but unfortunately some things would be impossible, simply because the game can't see in the future

  • @eggjason
    @eggjason Před 3 lety +597

    "Don't try to understand it, feel it"
    Everyone :"HOW?!"

  • @cristiannavarro5998
    @cristiannavarro5998 Před 3 lety +661

    The hot sauce was a nice touch

  • @vinceb8041
    @vinceb8041 Před 3 lety +1326

    Someone has to make a Portal 2 mod with a turnstile and inverted timelines. Imagine having inverted you cooperating with you to solve the puzzle in a temporal pincer

    • @kaisle8412
      @kaisle8412 Před 3 lety +391

      But the game would have to know in advance what I'll do later when I'm inverted, so they'd have to actually invent time travel to implement it. Valve, I'm waiting....

    • @aidanr9810
      @aidanr9810 Před 3 lety +90

      @@kaisle8412 they’ll be able to do that when half life 3 is announced

    • @photelegy
      @photelegy Před 3 lety +60

      @@kaisle8412 They could make this half way, so that only when you go back the past-you is been replayed to interact with.
      Not the real thing but interesting nevertheless

    • @TomalakGeretkal
      @TomalakGeretkal Před 3 lety +27

      @@photelegy It still won't work because past-you was in turn interacting with now-you, which was future-you at the time and thus can't be predicted by the game ;)

    • @CuivTheLazyGeek
      @CuivTheLazyGeek Před 3 lety +18

      There's a similar mechanism in The Talos Principle (having to do some actions and then later cooperate with your past self and the past objects it interacted with). The whole mechanism is already very mind twisty (so if I go there and do this, then that object will be available to my future self and he can use it to open this door but that means I need to get back to this point to hold this open so that my future self can now go back to the start area). But at least both you and your past self move forward in time, it's just that NOW became a mix of the NOW of the past self and future self (and related objects). Adding actual inversion wouldn't work since "what happened, happened", including effect before cause, and the game can't predict that until the cause!

  • @underarmbowlingincidentof1981

    I love how confused Neil is during all of this xD

    •  Před 3 lety +19

      Not quite confused Neil.
      In the movie he knows all the shit about fuck xD

    • @RighteousBrother
      @RighteousBrother Před 3 lety +29

      @ I think he means the little animated Neil in the video.

    • @meettheartist5506
      @meettheartist5506 Před 3 lety +1

      @ s/he means the Neil in the video

    • @jcdenton3806
      @jcdenton3806 Před 2 lety

      Just like me :/

    • @buckmchoots8824
      @buckmchoots8824 Před 9 měsíci

      Neil is not the only one

  • @zfreshprince7470
    @zfreshprince7470 Před 3 lety +170

    It's Nolan's world and we are just living in it.

  • @grafgummiente1583
    @grafgummiente1583 Před rokem +13

    I watched the movie multiple times and thought I understood it. This video explaining the basic principle of it shows me: I didn’t.

  • @RandomVideosFirst
    @RandomVideosFirst Před 9 měsíci +28

    Whoever had the mental capacity to understand, write, shoot, and edit all of this movie in it’s entirety is either a goddamn genius or clinically insane. Maybe both.

    • @gabiausten8774
      @gabiausten8774 Před měsícem +2

      Child the movie doesn’t make any logical sense, don’t feel bad.

    • @gabiausten8774
      @gabiausten8774 Před 17 dny +2

      @@anandsharma1411 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Nice try, but especially to ANYONE with a basic knowledge in physics, this movie does not make any sense.

    • @pyropulseIXXI
      @pyropulseIXXI Před 14 dny +1

      @@gabiausten8774 It actually does make logical sense; people have mapped it out and it is totally consistent. The fact you cannot understand it is not indicative that it doesn't make sense

    • @gabiausten8774
      @gabiausten8774 Před 14 dny +1

      @@pyropulseIXXI nice try, the fact that u can’t figure out that the movie doesn’t make sense on your own, is mindblowing to me…u wanna stand on the ,,smart looking” side so bad…
      - Firstly the bootstrap paradox, the inverted bullets do not have a temporal origin at all, the movie doesn’t even try to explain that, what would’ve been the most interesting part.
      - The guy moving backwards in time being trapped in a wall… temporarily he would’ve continued to move backwards in time, meaning he would’ve always been in that wall, was he born in that wall?
      - The protagonist learns about Tenet and the future from Neil, who was recruited by the protagonist himself in the future
      - The movie's explanation of entropy inversion is scientifically speculative
      And I could go on and on and on and will do so if you want to. It’s just so shocking to me that u want to look smart, u wouldn’t even have required an understanding in physics to spot these logical fallacies, but no, u just wanted to talk big and now you look like a fool.

    • @gabiausten8774
      @gabiausten8774 Před 10 dny +1

      @@anandsharma1411 😂😂😂

  • @joshuapray
    @joshuapray Před 3 lety +75

    Mate, you are a hero for making these videos and then hanging out in the comments answering questions. Good show.

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +17

      I work from home now at a computer all day. It's easy to keep tabs of comments :) thanks!

  • @kaisle8412
    @kaisle8412 Před 3 lety +61

    I love the detail that when the perspective switches, we see the "back" of the clock so it still turns clockwise to us

    • @RM6737
      @RM6737 Před 9 měsíci

      Yes, that was a brilliant detail. A simple way to convey a somewhat complex concept.

    • @ubahfly5409
      @ubahfly5409 Před měsícem

      But why is just the "walking" backwards? Since when does time only apply to select body parts? How can the "inverted character" both be traveling backwards in time while also "interacting" & reacting to forward moving events that haven't "happened" yet? Pure nonsense

  • @mad7206
    @mad7206 Před 2 lety +24

    What I love about the turnstile is there's no fancy effects its just matter of fact in the movie

  • @enriquecomas933
    @enriquecomas933 Před 3 lety +98

    What makes it difficult is understanding the two timelines both on the same linear thread. And that both TP's, Neil's and Sator's are cognitively aware of their inversion, so they are not just fleshes moving in reverse. Sator going through the gate together shows the switch, and inverted Sator now knowing his past, to help him get the piece, because of the interrogation. He then flees to Vietnam, remaining in inverted state. They are necessarily going "back in time", if anything they are presently, "walking through their past" to gain advantages of events that already occurred. Why there are 3 Neils in the final battle, 3 TPS and 3 Neils in the airport and 3 Sator's in the Highway scene. One is the past, one is the future performing the advantage and the last one is the present that achieves the goal. Why you need Blue Team to explain the battle, red team to perform and Neil to switch and perform the extract, but he switched one more time to save the mission knowing he had too. Thus his sacrifice for TP so he can create Tenet after all this.

    • @wasimakram93
      @wasimakram93 Před 11 měsíci +1

      What?!

    • @johnpaulboudreaux9569
      @johnpaulboudreaux9569 Před 11 měsíci +11

      this is the most conclusive explanation I've seen. I felt like I already mostly understood the concepts but this was that last 10%

    • @TuriGamer
      @TuriGamer Před 10 měsíci +2

      I think this is the main point confusing most people
      The guy isnt time traveling in the regular sense he is just moving backwards

    • @El-Duderino-His-Dudeness
      @El-Duderino-His-Dudeness Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@TuriGamerThis is where I get hung up though. If he's only moving backwards, then why does Sator disappear in that scene? If he's only moving backwards physically, should we see an inverted version of him exit? But then wouldn't he be playing out the interrogation in forward motion sense it happened in reverse? Explanations like this video focus on this concept of how you can only see the now. This sort of helped explain to me why you can't see him on the other side. Because since he's outside of the "now" then he's gone. This I think helped me a little. Like the reason why inverted Sator is visible, is because we're seeing it from a forward moving perspective, which can only view inverted people going in reverse. But the video I think makes it confusing because it shows like a transparent version of the Protagonist (standing in for Sator in that scene) reverse walking and then coming out the other side going back beyond present Neil. That's what conflicts with me on the explanation.

  • @TheAJ2501
    @TheAJ2501 Před 3 lety +187

    Nicely explained.
    Visual explanation at its finest. :D
    We live in a Twilight world indeed.

  • @whatbrettdid
    @whatbrettdid Před 3 lety +380

    Here's my question (great channel by the way, really helps), in the Tenet universe, are members of the public shocked when they see highway chases with cars moving backwards, or they see two dudes walking backwards through the middle of the city, or is it like 'Ahhh well, I'm late for work, I ain't going to query that?'

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +290

      They certainly should be.
      I can think of only one instance in the movie where someone reacts.
      When TP/Neil return to Oslo airport and run , inverted , back past the burning plane, we can see a fireman do a double take st them as they run by (backwards) . But he quickly turns back to dealing with the fire.

    • @dr.netfreak
      @dr.netfreak Před 3 lety +46

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill Nice catch, I'll have to watch that one again

    • @lanhod
      @lanhod Před 3 lety +141

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill once more when TP was in the Saab. One female pedestrian looked at him/car going backwards with a confused face

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +56

      @@lanhod absolutely right! I forgot about that. That one is even more clear.

    • @Mircalla
      @Mircalla Před 3 lety +150

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill The reason he goes back to dealing with the fire is because from TPs inverted perspective, he's moving back to a time before the fireman noticed TP. From an inverted perspective, effect comes before cause, so from TPs perspective, the fireman reacts to TP /BEFORE/ he notices him, then un-notices him.

  • @raimukoyoasu6636
    @raimukoyoasu6636 Před 3 lety +14

    the title should be "the best explanation of how inversion work"

  • @AdamPasztory1
    @AdamPasztory1 Před 3 lety +10

    Thanks for making these. Until this video, I couldn't get my head around why people vanished when they entered the turnstile. I love Tenet. I feel it is training my brain to see the world in a different way.

    • @gblaze420
      @gblaze420 Před 2 lety +3

      I never understood why they vanished to an outside observer but both came out of the turnstile in the reversed perspective.

  • @ppp5644
    @ppp5644 Před 3 lety +135

    Yes, and if you are inverted already and go into a turnstile, you would just appear outta nowhere seen from normal flow time. Because your inverted future is normals past, until he re-inverts, which is the earliest moment (forwards time) you are even in the room.

    • @ryanod9845
      @ryanod9845 Před 3 lety +26

      You can see an example of that at the freeport the first time around.

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +60

      Exactly.
      If you are coming from the future you Appear.
      If you are going to the past you disappear.
      Normal Sator goes in red side: disappears.
      Inverted TP and Neil go in blue side: Appear.

    • @PauloEdson
      @PauloEdson Před 3 lety +7

      ​@@WelbyCoffeeSpill I still can't grasp how this is feasible in TENET's universe...​

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +96

      @@PauloEdson Think of it this way,.
      If you and your friend are at 10:00 pm and he steps inside the red turnstile, he inverts and now travels backwards in time to 9pm.
      How do you see someone at 9pm when you are at 10pm? You don't. He is not moving with our time flow anymore.
      But,..from 9pm to 10pm,..you would have seen your friend doing things backwards, ending with him reverse entering the blue turnstile at the same time he entered the Red side.

    • @fubtrick
      @fubtrick Před 3 lety +21

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thanks that helped me out a lot! I was always confused by the protagonist vs protagonist fight scene since he comes out of the turnstile at the same time on both sides, but I GET it now!

  • @KlutchAndJerel
    @KlutchAndJerel Před 3 lety +4

    With the amount of videos I’ve watched to try to make sense of the movie, this one seems to have helped the most.

  • @Thetopnoobpro
    @Thetopnoobpro Před 3 lety +14

    I feel like this is going to make it better for people who didn’t get it to Understand

  • @jpittmon1363
    @jpittmon1363 Před 3 lety +7

    Love these! Reminds me of being a math geek plugging random equations in a graph calculator in grade school. And just being fascinated what the equations displayed.

  • @icekey1146
    @icekey1146 Před měsícem +1

    Oh my god after watching so many explanations on how the inverted time thing works this visualization finally cleared it up for me. Thanks so much

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před měsícem

      check out my other videos on this channel for more mind bending shenanigans. :)

  • @dr.netfreak
    @dr.netfreak Před 3 lety +21

    Nolan : TENET felt confusing?
    Wait for my secret CZcams channel

  • @YourRealDaddy
    @YourRealDaddy Před 3 lety +11

    My sister hated the movie until I sent her one of your vids (the car chase) to watch. After that, everything clicked for her so she watched the movie again and loved it. Thanks for all your posts 👍

  • @KamilsView
    @KamilsView Před 3 lety +109

    Mate, "Would have seen", not "of seen. I have seen, not I of seen.

    • @theeab1993
      @theeab1993 Před 3 lety +2

      I got what he meant. In real life I hear plenty of people say it that way. I do it myself sometimes.

    • @altafkalam2716
      @altafkalam2716 Před 3 lety +24

      @@theeab1993 Saying it that way is different than writing it. It comes from people mishearing "would've" as "would of".
      But when you write it down as "would of" it's just wrong. As wrong as writing "they're" for "their".
      It's not being a snob, it's just correcting something.

    • @theeab1993
      @theeab1993 Před 3 lety

      @@altafkalam2716 I didn't say he was being snobby, I was just saying that in real life I do hear it said that way and it's not that weird. But yeah, I get what you mean about hearing it vs having written out.

    • @KamilsView
      @KamilsView Před 3 lety +5

      @@theeab1993 You can say it as you like, but it does not change words. It's still have, not of.

    • @KamilsView
      @KamilsView Před 3 lety +1

      @@elohssauoykcuf No worries. All good.

  • @wingnoot338
    @wingnoot338 Před 3 lety +21

    It's a U turn on a one way road.
    But like...
    With time stuff

  • @devanshugupta5022
    @devanshugupta5022 Před 3 lety +3

    Boss... You have made a really great video!!!!
    Especially the part where after TP enters the Turnstile, Neil won't be able to see him getting out from any turnstile. Brilliant

  • @OrangeDrinkMusic
    @OrangeDrinkMusic Před 2 lety +6

    Only thing I love more than the film is the resulting Tenet Explanation Community™
    😄
    Awesome animations!

  • @adrianmunoz7646
    @adrianmunoz7646 Před 2 lety +46

    Acting “backwards” is very important concept to understand. It allows you to infiltrate the past and “look normal.”
    I don’t fully understand the whole plot just yet but I’m getting pieces of it little by little.

    • @picketytwin
      @picketytwin Před rokem +3

      yes perception of the present while looking at the past stream in the now

  • @bjcooper4365
    @bjcooper4365 Před 3 lety +3

    You deserve some kind of award for these

  • @whatbrettdid
    @whatbrettdid Před 3 lety +15

    This is great! Warner should pay you to do extras on the DVD.

  • @andrewwoan
    @andrewwoan Před 3 lety +5

    oh wow, thank you. now I get it. I still have to apply this logic to each of the scenes but at least I finally understand it now. thank you!

  • @ettien9313
    @ettien9313 Před 3 lety +1

    I love this movie and sometimes find it confusing😅 Thank you for trying to help people like me to understand a bit more about the hole thing making the movie incredible!

  • @maxborn7400
    @maxborn7400 Před 6 měsíci

    I remember imagining this toy model in my head, after seeing the movie - something to at least grasp while I still couldn't make sense of rest of the movie on first watch. It's amazing how you created this entire simulation to lay it out, frame by frame.

  • @smilingladka
    @smilingladka Před 3 lety +7

    Well, 💯 for explaining graphics! They're brilliant.
    It's not your fault that I'm dumb.

  • @Sickboyfriend
    @Sickboyfriend Před 2 lety +8

    So the key is understanding why Sator "has disappeared". If you understand this, then you understand how the Turnstile machine works.

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 2 lety +7

      Yes. and I don't think it is difficult once you get it.
      People have witnessed this countless times in other time travel movies in fact and understand it.
      Whenever someone time travels in other movies they 'disappear' and pop up in the past or future. But nobody questions that because they are used to it. They are expecting the "teleporting' aspect to be a part of it.
      In Tenet, it throws people off because subjects don't instantly pop to years prior or after.
      In Tenet, you don't leap through time, you just pull a U-turn in time.

  • @gyanprakash7445
    @gyanprakash7445 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I’ve started watching this for the first time today. Will watch it again yesterday

  • @Sgtgee
    @Sgtgee Před 3 lety +7

    Inverted world legends has it, that hot sauce still hasn’t arrived yet months later! Lol 😂 great video. This scene was definitely a mind phuck on the first and second viewing. 🤯

  • @shammendraeshwar433
    @shammendraeshwar433 Před 2 lety +4

    So by using the time inversion we get a reverse time clone to cooperate and execute temporal pincer maneuvers.this takes 'help yourself' to a whole new level.

  • @lili-lt6fk
    @lili-lt6fk Před 3 lety +10

    That is brilliant. Thanks for your time man. You finally made the turnstile explanation video and respond perfectly to my questions (if you remember). You kept your word. Everything is clear now. You are the Goat.

  • @zoopdiwop
    @zoopdiwop Před 3 lety +2

    This was a really good explanation and visualization of the concept.

  • @joeydoesthings4955
    @joeydoesthings4955 Před 3 lety +1

    This was excellent! Good visualization of what happened.

  • @BenGLastreezy
    @BenGLastreezy Před 3 lety +8

    Guys, Nolan said, this movie is about the *HERE & NOW* focus on *NOW*

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +2

      Yes, your personal Now is what matters.
      Things that happen in your NOW doesn't care from which direction you entered. It accounts for whatever will happen in that moment.

  • @drv4859
    @drv4859 Před 2 lety +5

    Great explanation. Thank you. I always wondered how both Sators disappeared after they inverted in the turnstile

    • @hiranom20
      @hiranom20 Před rokem

      That also confused me for years lol! It's simply that once you're moving forward through time on the red side, you can only see inverted subjects on the blue side.
      That's why we saw Sator ambling backwards into the turnstile before he went into the red side to invert. We witness the opposite play out in the first protagonist v protagonist fight scene, where he appears seemingly out of nowhere, but runs through on the other side.
      The moral of the story is witnessing inversion as a subject moving forward through time would be a highly bizarre experience to the uninitiated.

  • @teddymax_
    @teddymax_ Před 3 lety

    Damn, amazing explanation! Thank you! Now movie and his scenes are getting more meaning

  • @alwaysxnever
    @alwaysxnever Před 3 lety +1

    Perfect breakdown. Well done.

  • @octowuss1888
    @octowuss1888 Před 3 lety +31

    How can you see or hear when inverted? The light and sound would be travelling away from your eyes and ears.

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +29

      All the movie gives us is a brief explanation, like you will feel disoriented, blurry, but your body will adjust.
      Only reach I can imagine is that, sound and light move away from you. But it still starts where it ended, like your eyes and eardrum. So those "sensors" are still being pinged. Just from the other side of the membrane. Hence, disoriented but adaptable in time.

    • @timhold2016
      @timhold2016 Před 3 lety +4

      Same goes for how you would live. your blood would be flowing in the wrong direction.

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +29

      @@timhold2016 technically your blood is inverted with you when you go in the turnstile. So it would be pumping and flowing the same direction as you.
      You are inverted, the world is not.
      Which is why you need your own inverted air.
      Light and sound are the big questions though. As those are external from you.

    • @babyyoda1462
      @babyyoda1462 Před 3 lety +16

      Technically, because the light is moving away from your eyes, your eyes have already recieved it, which means you can see. Just backwards. Same goes with ears.

    • @mr_smellnice5724
      @mr_smellnice5724 Před 3 lety

      I had thought the same thing about sight/light - also if everything's inverted wouldn't gravity repel you upwards? This film also made me realise when you're going through life normally, you're never bang in the moment, always looking at the light coming from something which will take a certain amount of time however small.

  • @TheCarter117Gaming
    @TheCarter117Gaming Před 3 lety +11

    These are great! Ive seen the movie 3 times and ive read the script. You should make a visualization of the concept of last in, first out when going thru the turnstyle. It was something that was said in the freeport and in the script there are a few subnotes that specifically say that.

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks!
      The Oslo Freeport video definitely demonstrates that midway through!

    • @MegaCharns
      @MegaCharns Před 2 lety

      He explains exactly that in this

  • @picketytwin
    @picketytwin Před rokem +1

    these videos are brilliant,amazing work

  • @semyonchuikoff1136
    @semyonchuikoff1136 Před 2 lety

    Your videos are so incredibly helpful.

  • @waddefaq4325
    @waddefaq4325 Před 3 lety +7

    Wow great video!
    This movie still fcked up my mind. No matter how many I watch the explaination. Lol.

  • @DevilSpider_
    @DevilSpider_ Před 2 lety +8

    Time travel stories tend to split into two categories:
    - "One timeline" stories (Tenet is an example of one), where going into the past overwrites the future, with slim chances of recovery.
    - "Multiple timelines" stories, where going into the past creates a new timeline, leaving the original intact.
    What if Tenet was a "multiple timeline" story?
    Every decision done by an individual splits the timeline into multiple, into the future, but every decision done by an inverted individual is rendered and multiple timelines connecting into one, preserving causality.
    Let's say TP enters the turnstile in this version of the story. Now, there's no need for the other TP to exist in this timeline, since the act of inversion splits the timeline into two. One "before" inversion and one "after" inversion.

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 2 lety +7

      I am a huge fan of the One timeline approach, but For all we know there are a bajillion timelines constantly being spawned based on decisions. :)
      In Tenet we never see a situation one way, then another.
      Neil basically says "There is no way of knowing. If you are there to make a change you are not here to observe its effect".
      So our perspective in the movie is following around Protagonist, but there is no way to know if Sator lived in another, or Neil didn't die in one.
      We are stuck observing the one where it happened just as we saw it in the movie.

    • @imwahyou2
      @imwahyou2 Před rokem +1

      One timeline, especially traveling in reverse, still doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Suppose you invert into a small room where two people have been mindlessly walking in a circle, one behind the other, for the entire day. You shoot one of them dead. The guy still walking keeps walking in reverse until he trips over the dead guys body. What would you observe if you kept traveling back in time in reverse? The guy you didn't shoot is supposed be walking in the circle for the day but now he's trapped in the floor in a loop, acting out his life until he reaches yesterday and so on. How could he even be alive if he never left the room yesterday, or the day before that ect. to eat and survive ? And the guy you shot...He is also trapped in a loop and his dead body "was always there" right? So in reverse his corpse will never decompose, his blood will never evaporate. How would that affect the environment from micro to macro scale in reverse? What about all the people, surroundings, incidences that these two people chain affected in their lives? It seems like butterfly effect would occur in reverse. That is until you travel back far enough and you see that both of these men could not have been born in a hospital. The whole past would glitch out because important events did not occur. So the future never happened either if we are still using One timeline. Tbh, I think if it were One timeline, the simple act of inverting into the past and disturbing particles of space in reverse would trigger butterfly effect and the whole universe would end😂

    • @geoffnaylor3734
      @geoffnaylor3734 Před rokem +1

      @@imwahyou2 The proving room sort of creates a "forced" consistency. Nobody is using turnstyles to do something that would create a paradox, and if they did, their actions couldn't have happened. Notice that before you invert, you check the window to see an inverted you walking in at the same time.
      I imagine, if you are walking to a turnstyle as someone who is going to do an action that will actually change things, you'll notice no inverted copy of yourself walking backwards into the other side. That means there is no inverted copy to "become" by using the turnstyle. So basically the turnstyle won't even work.

  • @milinrana1759
    @milinrana1759 Před 3 lety +1

    So far best explanation I found on CZcams...

  • @tomlouie2855
    @tomlouie2855 Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you, this clears up why 2 versions of ppl seem to disappear into the turnstile.

  • @rubengardiner1046
    @rubengardiner1046 Před 3 lety +6

    This is probably the hardest movie to fully comprehend.... and I've seen 2001

  • @StefanTetelepta
    @StefanTetelepta Před 3 lety +3

    Thanks. This helps a lot!

  • @KatAspen
    @KatAspen Před 3 lety

    After watching so many visualization videos on Tenet, this actually made me realize why someone would “disappear” after entering a turnstile.

  • @kevingutierrez2945
    @kevingutierrez2945 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you for all your videos

  • @mikegershon8528
    @mikegershon8528 Před 3 lety +4

    Great job, my friend.

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety

      Thanks! Haha,...yeah,..it's a long way form Lord of the Rings videos, but I gotta pass the time somehow!

  • @PunxTV123
    @PunxTV123 Před 3 lety +9

    nice thank you for this explanation... set this to public :)

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +2

      How are you finding this if its not public,? Did u find a link?

    • @PunxTV123
      @PunxTV123 Před 3 lety +4

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill I am using TENET man. I am the protagonist.

    • @thegoodwin
      @thegoodwin Před 3 lety +1

      @@PunxTV123 , wait, what? Are you from the future???

  • @saltcheese4688
    @saltcheese4688 Před 3 lety +1

    cool explanation, can't wait to watch tenet

  • @namanarora2005
    @namanarora2005 Před 8 dny

    I had an idea of what's happening but this video made it very clear thank you!
    Great movie :)

  • @sleepdeprived7780
    @sleepdeprived7780 Před 3 lety +4

    In Nolan’s world, you bless people when you sneeze.

  • @horrorspidey7033
    @horrorspidey7033 Před 3 lety +4

    Nolan should hire you immediately

  • @moisesq8594
    @moisesq8594 Před 3 lety +1

    Best video explanation by far

  • @TimPatDuDe
    @TimPatDuDe Před 3 lety +2

    These are great m8. Keep it up!

  • @Naz-xk6hq
    @Naz-xk6hq Před 3 lety +4

    Brilliant.

  • @ChristopherNolanOfficial
    @ChristopherNolanOfficial Před 3 lety +3

    Ok now I understand the film.

  • @j.k.1239
    @j.k.1239 Před 3 lety +1

    Very easy to understand.Good job.

  • @nachosaravia2453
    @nachosaravia2453 Před 3 lety +1

    Videos como estos me hacen saber que entendí perfectamente la película

    • @Sairam-sx4dc
      @Sairam-sx4dc Před 3 lety +1

      why the hell did i try to read this in reverse lol

  • @dudetheman06
    @dudetheman06 Před 3 lety +33

    I know it before
    But after watching this, I can definitely say that you explains really well !!
    Well which software do you use ?

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +8

      Its simple. But people kept asking the same thing about disappearing so I figures I'd bang this out. Thanks!

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +7

      Oh, for software I am using Maya and After Effects.

    • @dudetheman06
      @dudetheman06 Před 3 lety +4

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill oh wow !! Thanks for replying...

  • @KC_Smooth
    @KC_Smooth Před 3 lety +15

    So the future Neil sat reversed in an oxygenated room for years waiting for the right moment to help Protagonist?

  • @McCoymiked
    @McCoymiked Před 3 lety +1

    So helpful! Thanks for making this

  • @Onimirare
    @Onimirare Před 3 lety +1

    Tenet fans crying because they don't understand it while Jojo fans would love to see this much simplicity on their time manipulation mechanics.

  • @DmitriyRakhuba
    @DmitriyRakhuba Před 3 lety +7

    In freeport when TP enters turnstile while being inverted - thats more interesting from poinf of view in normal time

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +2

      I was gonna do that, but the video was getting long. It almost the reverse of this.
      Maybe in another video. Thanks.

    • @nerd6414
      @nerd6414 Před 3 lety

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill hey I still don't understand how an inverted person going back to normal comes from nowhere, can you pls explain

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +1

      @@nerd6414 using the movie as an example:
      TP and Neil enter the turnstile Room at 10:00.
      TP fights inverted_TP , who appeared out of nowhere, from 10:00 to 10:15.
      Ok, from inverted_Tp's view, he started the fight at 10:15 to 10:00. Then jumped into the turnstile un-inverting.
      So at 10:00 he is now normal, leaps out of the other side, pushes Neil out of the way and runs down the hall.
      They seem to just "appear" because they never existed BEFORE 10:00.

  • @GuardianDbbrrtt
    @GuardianDbbrrtt Před 3 lety +3

    COOL!

  • @arunsatyarth9097
    @arunsatyarth9097 Před 2 měsíci

    amazing job buddy. This really helped. I always believed Tenet was a masterpiece. miles ahead of any cinema every shot. I just didnt understand it.

  • @danieloktovian9523
    @danieloktovian9523 Před 3 lety +3

    To simplify :
    - Neil and PT is in 16 October -but there's actually PT who is inverted in 16 October who exist after PT who with Neil going into the time tube -and now he's moving backward in Neil persepective as inverted PT, and inverted PT will see himself and Neil going backward too in his persepective in the same day 16 October, -Inverted PT see the world is normal but if he look at Neil, Neil world is in backward -and Watermelon with Chicken seem delicious

  • @hamsddxn
    @hamsddxn Před 3 lety +20

    Fuck Nolan
    thanks for this channel, i've watched all these videos related to TENET, and i understood the movie completly

  • @rakeshchandan007
    @rakeshchandan007 Před 3 lety +1

    easiest explanation so far.. good job

  • @AndriVision
    @AndriVision Před 3 lety +2

    Yes thank you I already know this and this is logic because i have watched several time travel movies before this. if someone watch his friend enter the time machine sure what he saw is his friend will vanish, but not with his friends perspective.

  • @tylercronan5089
    @tylercronan5089 Před 3 lety +8

    Please do a Neil timeline from the 14th (and maybe talk about if he's really Kat's son). There was like seven version of him on the 14th and I'm STILL confused about his death.

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +5

      Huh? How did you even get to this video? It is set to unlisted. Lol.

    • @TheAJ2501
      @TheAJ2501 Před 3 lety +6

      Neil is not Kat's son. No supporting facts from the film to hold up the theory. That's just a self-wishful theory.
      Although, interesting to see an animation of multiple Neils on the 14th.
      That would be reverse mindblown for Welby. lol.

    • @tylercronan5089
      @tylercronan5089 Před 3 lety +1

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill it was in your playlist

    • @tylercronan5089
      @tylercronan5089 Před 3 lety

      @@TheAJ2501 I think it would be cool, if Max grew up to work with Tenet and The Protagonist. Maximilien has Neil inverted in the name and if he grew up into Tenet he would know TP for his entire life, explaining how he knows so much ab him

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +2

      @@tylercronan5089 lol. I didn't know it shows up. My fail. Good thing i set my Stalsk12 work in progress video to private! :)

  • @thecoolring6431
    @thecoolring6431 Před 3 lety +3

    Stalks 12 and Nolan would be proud of you , lol when is it coming and well done as always with this one man!

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +2

      Probably end of this coming week. If anyone has specific questions about the battle they think I should point out lemme know now! :)
      Its really not too complex, like the other scenes, but people been asking for it.
      Its looking fun.

    • @UnrealWorld1
      @UnrealWorld1 Před 3 lety +2

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill I want to see the person who got wall crushed in reverse being uncrushed 😂

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +2

      @@UnrealWorld1 and so you shall!

    • @thecoolring6431
      @thecoolring6431 Před 3 lety +1

      @@WelbyCoffeeSpill do you know how Neil knows that he has to go to the opera seige to save TP? Does future TP tells him that?

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +1

      @@thecoolring6431 I don't think there is anything in the movie that explicitly says so.
      People seem to believe that yes, a future TP in charge of Tenet assigned Neil to go to the opera at some point.

  • @rx0623
    @rx0623 Před 3 lety +1

    Perfect, very nice explained

  • @MartinBarreby
    @MartinBarreby Před 5 měsíci

    I think what made it click for me was that even if you KNOW when they go through the portal that they are going into the past by going in reverse, we still look at it from the Protagonists point of view, and this kind of tricks the brain to instead look at it as a parallel time lines rather then the same going in reverse. So that is why people disappear suddenly from the point of view from people not going through since they have past the past already.
    So if the protagonist now go back in time and then goes through the portal again, back to non-reverse state, and goes somewhere else and wait there until the time he went through the portal the first time, for the people who stayed behind it will look like he suddenly teleported to that new location the moment the protagonist went trough he portal the first time. Try to imagine each persons point of view first, then you might see the bigger picture of it.
    This is a great movie, especially when you start to grasp the concept, but for me i grasped it to late which made me enjoy the movie somewhat while watching it, but a lot more when I finally got it, long after the credits roll. And that is a flaw of this movie, it's a to much of a mind boggling concept so it would need even more explanation than what it gives. I think if they would instead demonstrated this with people first, and from different peoples points of view, instead of objects, like the bullet, I think we could have understood it better. I realize that seeing the reverse bullet and other things gives it a really cool mystery at first, but I would rather understand the movie better while watching it rather than just see mysterious things. Sure, I might be too stupid to not get it quick enough, but if I can reach this conclusion after the movie by other means it could have been done in the movie already. Of course, this is very subjective, but it feels like many people are struggling with this movie.

  • @ishaansejpal249
    @ishaansejpal249 Před 3 lety +12

    Awesome! Please do one for Stalsk 12!

  • @joncooper8166
    @joncooper8166 Před 3 lety +6

    So because the totem is still spinning does this mean that Cobb is still dreaming?

    • @zalupu
      @zalupu Před rokem

      Если тотем вращается, то Коб знает что находится именно в своем сне , а не в чужом, если кольцо на пальце то он знает что просто во сне , так как во снах он женат.

  • @danamarvelstar
    @danamarvelstar Před 11 měsíci +1

    If there is something I recently learned from watching Loki, think of time as a location on a line, a set of coordinates.
    Thanks for this visualization though.

  • @TheNewRobin30
    @TheNewRobin30 Před rokem

    This was a great push in the right direction of understanding for me, still not quite there yet lol. But thank you, this was truly helpful!

  • @Leoheatblast
    @Leoheatblast Před 3 lety +3

    I have a question about "future people bury the inverted object for Sator to dig up". Can you also make a video to discuss it?
    If the inverted gold was buried from inverted future people, does that mean Sator needs to bury it again?
    For example: Sator digs out the inverted gold→and then bury it→and then inverted man dig them out→inverted man brought the inverted gold walking backwards to the inverting machine

    • @WelbyCoffeeSpill
      @WelbyCoffeeSpill  Před 3 lety +1

      There has been good discussions on the tenet reddit for this.
      I haven't even begun to wrap my head around it yet but maybe one day, lol.

    • @user-bt1yd1ek1s
      @user-bt1yd1ek1s Před 3 lety +2

      Gold will be buried by normal future people. People are normal and ground is normal, only gold is inverted. Sator needs just dig it up and invert it

    • @Leoheatblast
      @Leoheatblast Před 3 lety

      @@user-bt1yd1ek1s I did consider that situation. But the movie says the inverting technology will be created after generations . It's quite difficult for future people to invert themselves, wait for maybe a hundred years to mid 20 century and then reinvert themselves to bury the gold for Sator, isn't it?

    • @user-bt1yd1ek1s
      @user-bt1yd1ek1s Před 3 lety +1

      @@Leoheatblast no. Future people invert gold, put it under ground and gold starts going backwards through the time to the past because it is inverted

    • @user-bt1yd1ek1s
      @user-bt1yd1ek1s Před 3 lety

      @@Leoheatblast sorry for bad explanation :)

  • @Leoheatblast
    @Leoheatblast Před 3 lety +5

    *I ordered my hot sauce an hour ago*
    (Punched!)

  • @localyocal498
    @localyocal498 Před rokem

    Hey Fam podcast sent me here and I’m grateful for it

  • @fotogramasocultos8410
    @fotogramasocultos8410 Před 11 měsíci

    Masterful video!

  • @BryanUlpi
    @BryanUlpi Před 3 lety +4

    Can you make your own Tenet sequel jeje

    • @PauloEdson
      @PauloEdson Před 3 lety

      Let's crowdfund this idea. If he was able to do such a great animation, why couldn't he create the sequels? ⭐ Either live-action or animation would satisfy me as a fan. 😍

  • @RakibErick
    @RakibErick Před 3 lety +3

    why does my intuition tell me this channel run by Nolan himself?

  • @bovasi
    @bovasi Před 3 lety +1

    OMG this was good. Thank you!!

  • @samsamsammy2013
    @samsamsammy2013 Před 3 lety +1

    Great stuff man!

  • @wawanfromkonoha6631
    @wawanfromkonoha6631 Před 3 lety +6

    You guys can simply shot me in the head then watching this video 10 times over