"Are You Threatening Me?" | James Whale's Head To Head vs Musa Adnan

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  • čas přidán 9. 12. 2023
  • In this thought-provoking interview, James Whale engages in a heated discussion about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the urgent need for equality, with political commentator Musa Adnan.
    The conversation touches on topics such as apartheid, terrorism, and potential solutions for lasting peace. However, amidst the passionate dialogue, it becomes clear that emotions are running high on both sides.
    #jameswhale #musaadnan #islam #palestine #israel #twostatesolution #idf #hamas #clash

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  • @Henry-Ludlow
    @Henry-Ludlow Před 5 měsíci +1215

    It's true that it’s hard to win an argument against a smart person, but it's impossible to win an argument with a deluded person.

    • @libertasdemocratiam887
      @libertasdemocratiam887 Před 5 měsíci +43

      Yup and this guy is drunk on delusion.

    • @fyzalamin127
      @fyzalamin127 Před 5 měsíci +6

      if discussing searching negetivy. ...negative you get. ...nothing positive will happen

    • @imhere8380
      @imhere8380 Před 5 měsíci +97

      those two are deluded and you seem to not know your history, like the masses.

    • @Henry-Ludlow
      @Henry-Ludlow Před 5 měsíci +9

      @@imhere8380 🤫

    • @tayibahussain
      @tayibahussain Před 5 měsíci +43

      The interviews are so unhinged and with double standards. I don't get why they don't get upset knowing such oppression

  • @Nick_Miles
    @Nick_Miles Před 5 měsíci +1082

    James and ash are like dumb and dumber 😂 😂😂

    • @timstapleman
      @timstapleman Před 5 měsíci +35

      Dumb and Dumber is much funnier.

    • @Ze_Moose
      @Ze_Moose Před 5 měsíci +23

      I'm so offended by you comparing them to an all time classic! Shame on you! Lol jk 😂

    • @fa_ti_maa9610
      @fa_ti_maa9610 Před 5 měsíci +14

      I swear I got that vibe too 😂😂😂

    • @ummesawdah
      @ummesawdah Před 5 měsíci +7

      Omg yes exactly, beating round the bush, getting annoyed by each other, and finding problems in every solution

    • @BloodTar
      @BloodTar Před 5 měsíci +4

      The *LAST* thing that those on *EITHER SIDE* of this issue are interested in, is the *TRUTH* .
      And that's the *TRUTH* .

  • @nirjacobson2711
    @nirjacobson2711 Před měsícem +31

    England wake up, you are losing your country, your home, your culture, your religion.
    You don't have much time left, if you don't do something now!

    • @gstar3569
      @gstar3569 Před měsícem

      Europe for indigenous Europeans

    • @flexwayne7593
      @flexwayne7593 Před 28 dny +2

      No let the Muslims have it 😂

    • @manaf67
      @manaf67 Před 27 dny

      its because some one shows you the mirror

    • @maneshipocrates2264
      @maneshipocrates2264 Před 24 dny

      Just like England stole lands, killed billions, colonized millions and destroyed other people's culture, religion and homes?

  • @xaxaxaxxx
    @xaxaxaxxx Před 4 měsíci +19

    This was hilarious, if you told me
    This was a skit it would make more sense. 😅😅😅

  • @princeosman7747
    @princeosman7747 Před 5 měsíci +438

    I am unable to keep watching this without feeling furious. It's a clear example of gaslighting and hypocrisy in its most extreme
    form.

  • @jchan9761
    @jchan9761 Před 5 měsíci +640

    Musa Adnan: “I agree that Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Do you consider the IDF a terrorist organisation for shooting an 8 year old in the West Bank where there is no hamas?”
    Whale: “I don’t know enough “
    And yet Whale has picked a side.😂

    • @meni2410
      @meni2410 Před 5 měsíci +20

      Lie. No 8 yo shot.

    • @rizwanshaikh9852
      @rizwanshaikh9852 Před 5 měsíci +66

      ​@@meni2410 it is true, one 8 and another 15 year old were killed.

    • @meni2410
      @meni2410 Před 5 měsíci

      @@rizwanshaikh9852 no, it's not true, it's a falsified twitter propaganda lie. Prove it.

    • @Ridhaa19
      @Ridhaa19 Před 5 měsíci +19

      On a legal level*
      We don't believe hamas are terrorists

    • @SuperStella1111
      @SuperStella1111 Před 5 měsíci +33

      @@meni2410 you’re right. It’s thousands, not one. Thousand of eight year olds. Maimed, traumatized, dead.

  • @Tony-xq7dz
    @Tony-xq7dz Před měsícem +7

    You know you will not be listened when you hear "Forget about history", "Let's just talk about now". Basically, Century start on October 7th

    • @alexmendoza9270
      @alexmendoza9270 Před 11 dny

      Yes, lets forget about what Hitler did. No reparations. No no more Hollocaust museums. Lets make instead museums for the millions Of Native americans killed.

  • @TheVeganBelly
    @TheVeganBelly Před 3 měsíci +5

    Host: "Ash be quiet, both of you be quiet.”
    I can’t take this seriously 😂😂

  • @GeorgeSquare
    @GeorgeSquare Před 5 měsíci +376

    It's very, very hard (almost impossible) to debate with someone who is in complete denial of everything and just lies like that constantly.

    • @muhammadhafeezjazib8400
      @muhammadhafeezjazib8400 Před 5 měsíci +20

      And 100% impossible with those who accept lies and deny truth.

    • @amyhussain3173
      @amyhussain3173 Před 5 měsíci +4

      So true

    • @uraharasshop3547
      @uraharasshop3547 Před 5 měsíci +40

      Completely agree. These hosts are totally insane

    • @lailamahdi7042
      @lailamahdi7042 Před 5 měsíci +8

      I know whale doesn’t know what he’s talking about

    • @Petal4822
      @Petal4822 Před 4 měsíci +16

      The Muslim said, “Islam is to honor women, you can't just go around touching any women.” That certainly didn’t apply on 7th October.

  • @Here4theComments9
    @Here4theComments9 Před 5 měsíci +203

    I stopped watching American news (I’m American) in favor of British news until I came across this “interview”. What a ridiculous waste of time. I value British news for its professionalism and well crafted interviews. This is just people talking over each other. What a disgusting display

    • @dwiggi3rd504
      @dwiggi3rd504 Před 5 měsíci +13

      MOST of these podcasts have people interrupting and talking over each other.
      The producers must think we enjoy such sickening aggravating behaviour.... NOT

    • @HA-jq1mu
      @HA-jq1mu Před 5 měsíci

      Do you honestly think any country in the west is better than another, they are all as bad as each other and have the same views

    • @baidaroll
      @baidaroll Před 5 měsíci

      The purpose of talk tv and piers morgan is to win debates they don't care about profesionalism just like piers Morgan did when talking to a Muslim doctor calling him women oppressor and saying "buslh¡t" to everything the doctor had to say.
      They are not professionals they go from political issues to religious issues when they don't like the answears they'll start to interrupt.

    • @muslimm4life
      @muslimm4life Před 5 měsíci

      Almost all "mainstream Media" are full of lies. Twitter at least has all the news, the truth and the lies.

    • @tahidhanna
      @tahidhanna Před 5 měsíci +11

      This channel is trting ro be the fox news of uk.
      Its also owned by rupert murdoch..
      So u left us media to watch wannabe fox

  • @blackshuck3027
    @blackshuck3027 Před 5 měsíci +16

    We have imported this complete rubbish!!!

  • @hwardokwan1
    @hwardokwan1 Před 3 měsíci +12

    This program should be banned and is two people should be arrested for being so stupid and being put in the mental institution

  • @rrdawi
    @rrdawi Před 5 měsíci +363

    WELL DONE MUSA not letting these ignorant individuals provoke you or take you off the discussion's track.

    • @morleywhite911
      @morleywhite911 Před 5 měsíci +4

      Vermin

    • @alkhalilquranmedia7337
      @alkhalilquranmedia7337 Před 5 měsíci

      Why did he agree to khamas being terrorist

    • @himrocks100
      @himrocks100 Před 2 měsíci

      Musa is acting like a child there. Countering with an illogical point and talking over every now and then. That's the sign of a person who is afraid of a discussion

    • @MichelePearl
      @MichelePearl Před 15 dny

      He doesn’t want to have a discussion. he wants to equate soldiers accounting for every death during war compared to invading a music festival of innocent people used as targets to be murdered and raped.

  • @DogmaDisputant
    @DogmaDisputant Před 5 měsíci +264

    "Truly, those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” ~Voltaire’s translator

    • @AC-mp7cx
      @AC-mp7cx Před 5 měsíci

      The IDF is good at making people believe atrocities.

    • @Michael-The-Nazarene
      @Michael-The-Nazarene Před 5 měsíci +5

      Your culture is shaped by the values of the Religion of that culture,, them heathens who follow Odin, Allah, Apollo, Zeus, are all savages,, All have their own laws, Dane Law,, Sharia Law,, Roman Law,, it was Christianity that got rid of all that savagery with its values,, Thou Shall Not Kill, Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness, Thou Shalt Not Commit Theft and Adultery.

    • @Michael-The-Nazarene
      @Michael-The-Nazarene Před 5 měsíci

      You don't know what you've got until it's gone.

    • @Michael-The-Nazarene
      @Michael-The-Nazarene Před 5 měsíci

      Love Thy Enemies, Love Thy Neighbour As Thyself ? Ruins the Planet ?!! He's talkin nonsense.

    • @jawad237fx
      @jawad237fx Před 5 měsíci

      @@Michael-The-Nazarene Thou Shall Not Kill, Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness, Thou Shalt Not Commit Theft and Adultery.
      these values are in every Abrahamic Faith .

  • @user-lp6nf2px6p
    @user-lp6nf2px6p Před 4 měsíci +3

    I think the time for discussion is long gone. Action is what the british people want.

  • @janbrown9195
    @janbrown9195 Před 2 měsíci +6

    God I’m tired of the victimhood from these people, 75 years of humanitarian aid and this is what we have to listen to.

  • @Fromriver2seaE
    @Fromriver2seaE Před 5 měsíci +108

    James was NOT ready for the 2018 conviction to pop up 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 homeboy really forgot about it

  • @raymonddonaghy2314
    @raymonddonaghy2314 Před 5 měsíci +372

    Europeans fought for centuries to keep Muslims out and after listening to this you know why

    • @petersmith2522
      @petersmith2522 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Jesus died to try make us equal as humans the jews had him killed so they can have money fact

    • @elumees3789
      @elumees3789 Před 5 měsíci +82

      So why do you guys want to go to their lands so much?

    • @stephensilverstein629
      @stephensilverstein629 Před 5 měsíci +4

      But they still regard partcof Soain as theirs because in their evil greed, once they win am area, it's theirs forever.

    • @gracewomack4228
      @gracewomack4228 Před 5 měsíci +30

      ...and now they European nations regret giving Muslims ingress...

    • @leeevans2929
      @leeevans2929 Před 5 měsíci

      ⁠@@elumees3789NO ONE wants to go to their lands except the ones over here who use their welfare money funded by the tax payers of Britain to keep going back for holidays

  • @Bipo2u2
    @Bipo2u2 Před 5 měsíci +9

    Why is he bringing up the culture and customs of islamist? Muslim men ive met give me a nod and a little bow. Its nicer than a handshake. Handshakes are a dominant thing and honestly not something ive ever been comfortable with, especially in male dominant work environments.

    • @wallacewhybrow2705
      @wallacewhybrow2705 Před měsícem +1

      @Bipo2u2. How is a handshake "dominant" ? It conveys the message that "my hand is empty, I have no weapon".

  • @Nick-vl7df
    @Nick-vl7df Před 3 měsíci +22

    We're in Britain it should be our culture that's followed.

    • @paulshinh4334
      @paulshinh4334 Před 2 měsíci +13

      What culture, drinking, fish and chips, kebabs, pizzas, curries, pasta, Chinese takeaway 😅😅😅

    • @hasray9699
      @hasray9699 Před měsícem +2

      Seriously like what culture does Britain actually have stealing other cultures and cuisines just to suit there "English" customs and traditions for example curries and tikka masala. 😂😂😂😂

    • @WhatSoEverThingsAreLovely
      @WhatSoEverThingsAreLovely Před měsícem +2

      Aahhhh, yes!! BRITISH culture!! Curry, chinese food, pizza, rain, flat caps & a hobnob are VERY "British" culture, isn't it!! 😂

    • @SecretChamber313
      @SecretChamber313 Před měsícem +2

      Yeah you can do all that and still support palestine. Ik I do

    • @njfxnjfxmcgfmhgb
      @njfxnjfxmcgfmhgb Před měsícem +3

      What has that got to do with a conflict in the middle east?

  • @aliyuashiru4087
    @aliyuashiru4087 Před 5 měsíci +352

    These guys are not people you can have reasonable discussions with. They have beclouded notions that is driven by sentiments.

    • @lexa5842
      @lexa5842 Před 5 měsíci

      Actually, they lie as easily as we breathe. All they know is hatred and violence against nonmuslems. Jealousy of our achievements is killing anything good in their hearts (if they had a heart).

    • @IA67676
      @IA67676 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@BEWARESTUPIDwell palestine wanted a state with everyone having equal rights where muslims jews and chirsitans worship in Jerusalem in peace. Isrsel and zionists wanted the whole place to be filled with jews, no muslims no christians. Ben gourion admitted thay 2 state solution won't be the end and that israel would've tried to take the rest back so if palestine did accept it isrsle would still find a reason invade and try and take over tje whole region. They also done a nakba as they didn't want people of other races to be in their only jewish country. Anyone who wants peace for both supports palestine anyone whose r8ghtfully scared of mainstream media and governments are israel supporters

    • @1Kapachow1
      @1Kapachow1 Před 5 měsíci +7

      If you're talking about the Muslim speaker who literally lied eith every single thing he said then I agree.

    • @RikoRizqi-mf3ri
      @RikoRizqi-mf3ri Před 4 měsíci +6

      ​@@1Kapachow1 I believe the 2 reporters are the ones who are delusional

    • @user-ig9bo2nc2q
      @user-ig9bo2nc2q Před 3 měsíci +2

      ​@@RikoRizqi-mf3ri Exactly and they're proud of their shameful opinions while thousands of people, children are being slaughtered. It's atrocious

  • @googlekillsfreespeech4370
    @googlekillsfreespeech4370 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Why do they shake a mans hand but not a woman? ISLAM SAYS THEY CAN'T.

    • @awishuponluna9502
      @awishuponluna9502 Před 10 dny +1

      Are you okay? The opposite genders are not supposed to have physical contact outside of marriage… that’s what Islam says.

  • @irons28
    @irons28 Před 5 měsíci +13

    He says the Muslim men will not touch a woman out of politeness. It doesn’t seem to bother them touching and more with the young girls in the north of England.

    • @susanbrowne5544
      @susanbrowne5544 Před měsícem

      Well said, my thoughts exactly.

    • @trippyy2767
      @trippyy2767 Před měsícem +4

      @@susanbrowne5544 ok, susan browne. Comparing righteous Muslims with groomers, weirdos.

  • @amirali-mc4nf
    @amirali-mc4nf Před 5 měsíci +210

    James and Ash... The double of Dumb and Dumber 😅

    • @notnotd4kmnowhere
      @notnotd4kmnowhere Před 2 měsíci

      😂😂😂😂😂
      That's best words for describing both stupid guys

    • @TalReu
      @TalReu Před 2 měsíci +1

      Then why are you here 🤡

    • @geoffcbr929
      @geoffcbr929 Před 2 měsíci

      mate that's proper original ive never read that before🐑🐑baaaahhhhh 🐑🐑 baaahhh

  • @mojalalunia
    @mojalalunia Před 5 měsíci +267

    These two are the highest intellectual species in Talk TV.😂😂

    • @boldottoman
      @boldottoman Před 5 měsíci +17

      Why do they act in a pair?
      It's so silly!

    • @brotoshbrotosh2670
      @brotoshbrotosh2670 Před 5 měsíci +8

      ​@@boldottomanit's more of what they do after..

    • @mandynicholson4492
      @mandynicholson4492 Před 5 měsíci +2

      😂😂😂

    • @zoheedfey8986
      @zoheedfey8986 Před 5 měsíci +16

      the one with long hairs has nothing on his head, he doesnt know anything yet he gets time to speak such a nonsense

    • @sandall100
      @sandall100 Před 4 měsíci +5

      Whale is a coward hence his need for the support of a sidekick😅

  • @nananana-py7lw
    @nananana-py7lw Před 2 měsíci +4

    I really don't know who belongs to this country anymore

  • @sebastianliwinski222
    @sebastianliwinski222 Před 3 měsíci +2

    He says that you can't shake women's hand, their book says that,no matter what.They are religious fanatics!

  • @mywestsussex5749
    @mywestsussex5749 Před 5 měsíci +327

    The muslim gentleman came over in a common sense way

    • @winxclubstellamusa
      @winxclubstellamusa Před 5 měsíci +21

      Absolutely not. He was lying about everything!

    • @wokesheep
      @wokesheep Před 5 měsíci

      Go cry in the corner​@@winxclubstellamusa

    • @agarioplayer3775
      @agarioplayer3775 Před 5 měsíci +49

      ​@@winxclubstellamusacan you show us when did he lie otherwise you are just claiming without evidence

    • @rickflose
      @rickflose Před 5 měsíci +23

      ⁠@@winxclubstellamusa6 hours still waiting for the lie

    • @head85
      @head85 Před 5 měsíci +7

      ​@@winxclubstellamusa must have gotten hoodwinked yourself

  • @robcandiani6355
    @robcandiani6355 Před 5 měsíci +71

    The muslim is disgraceful 😢.

    • @anneheard9381
      @anneheard9381 Před 5 měsíci +25

      Why? Hes making sense to me

    • @AbdulKadir-qo5on
      @AbdulKadir-qo5on Před 5 měsíci +14

      Please explain. Musa came across quite well in my humble opinion.

    • @elumees3789
      @elumees3789 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@anneheard9381he is a Muslim therefore he is disgraceful, how u guys don’t understand this? (I’m a Muslim, therefore I know)

    • @leeevans2929
      @leeevans2929 Před 5 měsíci +1

      They all are

    • @shamimlogde4997
      @shamimlogde4997 Před 5 měsíci +2

      True religion❤

  • @jagadeesanmymails
    @jagadeesanmymails Před 3 měsíci +5

    UK seems to be a lost cost under the terror elements unraveling their lands! 😢

  • @user-sq4il9zm5u
    @user-sq4il9zm5u Před 3 měsíci +5

    Hypocrites to the max its making my blood boil.

  • @thedaintyprincejbr3176
    @thedaintyprincejbr3176 Před 5 měsíci +110

    How hypocrit, if it was a woman who refused to shake a man's hand even in friendship no one has the right to say anything because it is her budy her choice but when a man does it al of the sudden he is some sort of a criminal.

    • @NickyMandem
      @NickyMandem Před 5 měsíci

      That’s the crazy western logic 😅 and if you look to long or touch to long your a pervert also 😂🤣 better just avoid touching the woman out of respect right?

    • @SwedishHans
      @SwedishHans Před 2 měsíci

      Don't be ridiculous. You muslims do not want to shake hands with non-muslims. Women shaking hands of men has never been a problem, and no one refuses - unless of course there has been bad history between them previously.

  • @gavinlevy1693
    @gavinlevy1693 Před 5 měsíci +95

    London has a very serious Hamas problem

  • @elkobit7415
    @elkobit7415 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Guest: "These figures have been reported by reputable news outlets"
    Ash: "The Palestinian authority?"🤣🤣🤣

    • @Arrivals-xy5yu
      @Arrivals-xy5yu Před 5 měsíci +3

      Nope it's reported by United Nation.

    • @mersifullwolf4054
      @mersifullwolf4054 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Arrivals-xy5yuwhere do they get it from? Hamas!

    • @usmondav
      @usmondav Před 4 měsíci

      @@mersifullwolf4054UN had hundreds of workers in Gaza, but unfortunately IDF killed them purposly in a terrorist act so the truth can not be exposed. Btw they do the same with Journalists. In this two months IDF killed more journalists than in the WW2. You can check it up.

  • @insight1256
    @insight1256 Před 4 měsíci +8

    I’m sick of hearing how the Palestinians are stuck in the middle of Hamas and the Israeli’s and somehow innocent bystanders. The Palestinians support Hamas and fill their children’s hearts full of hate therefore perpetuating the conflict. You reap what you sow.

  • @jeankelleher2151
    @jeankelleher2151 Před 5 měsíci +56

    Another Muslim insisting on shouting louder than anyone else ,then we get the victim bit the record gets stuck once again .

    • @TheAshy92
      @TheAshy92 Před 5 měsíci +14

      Don’t be silly Jean the hosts just throw insults, what a bunch of tools

    • @jonathanlake6053
      @jonathanlake6053 Před 5 měsíci +7

      He was like a stuck record, once again the guests never answer a straight question, no solution, except the poor old usual victim card.

    • @shamimlogde4997
      @shamimlogde4997 Před 5 měsíci

      He is taking them two lol well done

    • @steve10
      @steve10 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I have zero affiliation to this guy , his religion etc...
      I've seen many vile pro palastianians on this show and others, but I'll give this guy a little bit more time than others , he is at least trying to speak about an ending.
      I agree with him about bombing , its not big enough to be bombed like that , but Israel need to keep going and get rid of Hamas.
      What's happening is that everyone agrees with each other that innocent people shouldn't die , but then argue about bits and pieces, then start shouting.
      James Whale calling him disgusting for not shaking a woman's hand was childish.

    • @JohnMartin-pjasca
      @JohnMartin-pjasca Před 2 měsíci

      He didn't shout, liar.

  • @hmahmood7739
    @hmahmood7739 Před 5 měsíci +256

    James only brought up the hand shake thing to try and say Muslims are rude and ‘violent’ 😂 they’re a bunch a jokers!!

    • @onekumarajay
      @onekumarajay Před 5 měsíci +16

      No he brought it up to Emphasise Cultural Dissonance
      A La Taliban Preventing Female Education
      A La Persian Women Burning Hijabs in the Streets of Iran.

    • @aaliyah3037
      @aaliyah3037 Před 5 měsíci +8

      ​@@onekumarajayYou can thank America for putting the Taliban and Ayatollahs in power. Banning women from education and murdering women for not wearing the Hijab is not from Islam but, hey you're more educated than a born Muslim so you'd know better than me I guess.

    • @KathyPrendergast-cu5ci
      @KathyPrendergast-cu5ci Před 5 měsíci +15

      It is rude, in Britain. Hand-shaking when meeting someone for the first time is something that's integral to British culture. If someone can't compromise enough to respect this custom, it sends a message that they are contemptuous of British culture and have the attitude of invaders or colonizers, not citizens.

    • @hmahmood7739
      @hmahmood7739 Před 5 měsíci +10

      No one should need to ‘compromise’ on their religious beliefs just to fit into society and cultural norms. It wasn’t the norm in 18th Century Britain either to shake hands between genders. It’s more respectful to not touch a woman’s body. Society changes but it doesn’t mean everyone must adopt everything. Islam is based on morals and ethics that do not change with time- That is the beauty of Islam.

    • @onekumarajay
      @onekumarajay Před 5 měsíci +1

      when you say "no one" you mean Muslims.
      Fact of The matter is that Islam has infinite possible interpretations & contentious individuals that are doing the interpreting - such as terrorists within its ranks & it has traditionally gone on the attack whenever its able - such as its Early history - which helped it to fill its ranks with converted pagans & go on a rampage around the world.
      Peace

  • @ross3818
    @ross3818 Před 4 měsíci +33

    Muslim apologists always say "but" and then start interviewing the interviewer. Masters of deflection.

    • @SwedishHans
      @SwedishHans Před 2 měsíci +3

      Yes they are. They are also masters in practising Victimhood. And they use taqiyya outrageously - this is allowed and encouraged in the Koran to use against non-Muslims.

    • @francollins4036
      @francollins4036 Před 2 měsíci

      You are 100% correct.

    • @adilmuhammad6715
      @adilmuhammad6715 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Wonder who they learned it from ;)

    • @ross3818
      @ross3818 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@adilmuhammad6715 You gave a perfect example right here. Thanks for proving my point.

    • @adilmuhammad6715
      @adilmuhammad6715 Před 2 měsíci

      @@ross3818 learnt from the best rozzaaaa

  • @yasin6904
    @yasin6904 Před měsícem +2

    Musa Adnan: *talking plainly and calmly*
    James Whale: SHUT UP OMG STOP BEING SO AGGRESSIVE AND ANGRY

  • @abdellahi.heiballa
    @abdellahi.heiballa Před 5 měsíci +174

    It's true that it’s hard to win an argument against a smart person, but it's impossible to win an argument with a deluded person let alone two of them.

    • @stormshell69
      @stormshell69 Před 5 měsíci +11

      Smart? Islam? 🤣😅😁

    • @TechBoxHD1
      @TechBoxHD1 Před 5 měsíci +15

      @@stormshell69it’s ok to cry. Let it out.

    • @abdellahi.heiballa
      @abdellahi.heiballa Před 5 měsíci

      wdym ?@@stormshell69

    • @stormshell69
      @stormshell69 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@TechBoxHD1
      There are little more than animals

    • @Indieboyan
      @Indieboyan Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@stormshell69 Who are you calling animals? Why not you take back Israelis back to Europe? They are European refugees anyway. You dumped them to Palestine and you shift the guilt to the Palestians.

  • @68rufus
    @68rufus Před 5 měsíci +41

    im tired of muslims..they pull the victom card too much

    • @alisonalia
      @alisonalia Před 5 měsíci +10

      Not as much as the Israeli anti Semitic card 😅

    • @Native_Man123
      @Native_Man123 Před 5 měsíci +3

      it is in their book. The weasel their way out of everything, zero humility, just lies and deception

    • @bl4531
      @bl4531 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@alisonaliaJews are LITERALLY fighting for their existence . They have every right to live on this planet.
      Muslims pull the victim card all the time. That and lying are what they use to manipulate. You might want to read, listen and learn .

  • @billbaldwin3564
    @billbaldwin3564 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I’ve never heard an Islamic apologist who respectfully listened to and didn’t talk over someone he was debating with. It’s always a rude, loud voiced, fire hose of grievances and talking points while shaking their fingers authoritatively.

  • @3bdoain934
    @3bdoain934 Před 5 měsíci +2

    The truth will unveil, and everything will get exposed.

  • @juliehubbard158
    @juliehubbard158 Před 5 měsíci +58

    Why's Ash there? Everytime he speaks he gets ssh'd lol

    • @spikertaker
      @spikertaker Před 5 měsíci +9

      Comedy relief.

    • @neil36619
      @neil36619 Před 5 měsíci

      @@spikertaker Good, at least a few get it.

    • @hennaali1754
      @hennaali1754 Před 5 měsíci +3

      He has the intelligence of a broom

    • @reignr3968
      @reignr3968 Před 5 měsíci +6

      To make the host seem reasonable and unbiased. It's like good cop, bad cop. The idea is to make you think the bald guy is neutral, which he clearly isn't.

    • @maxhammertruth
      @maxhammertruth Před 4 měsíci +6

      Seems like Ash is excess baggage, James is always shushing him.

  • @habibbeaini5010
    @habibbeaini5010 Před 3 měsíci +2

    "Ash, just shut up, I've had enough!" ... "Sorry James I'm an idiot".

  • @sonjaswart9866
    @sonjaswart9866 Před 5 měsíci +30

    Hats off to you, SIR! I am referring to Musa. The better debater by far.

  • @alexhema9147
    @alexhema9147 Před 5 měsíci +71

    "I am a Palestinian. I carried a Palestinian passport from 1920-1947" (Golda Meir, 1967) ❤

    • @glizel2736
      @glizel2736 Před 5 měsíci +2

      British passport

    • @alexhema9147
      @alexhema9147 Před 5 měsíci +9

      @@glizel2736
      R u ok ???

    • @thomasbaader6629
      @thomasbaader6629 Před 5 měsíci +4

      "Palestinian" meant "Jews".

    • @glizel2736
      @glizel2736 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@alexhema9147 yes palestinian passport but it was under british for Identification purposes

    • @peakyblinder4511
      @peakyblinder4511 Před 5 měsíci +1

      So what want a medal do you

  • @russellwilliams1163
    @russellwilliams1163 Před 5 měsíci +146

    It’s stunning how Hamas who don’t believe in human right suddenly do when it suits them but don’t when it does not suit them

    • @UsmanAli77477
      @UsmanAli77477 Před 5 měsíci +17

      It's stunning that you cannot write a simple sentence without making glaring mistakes

    • @shahzadrafiq4534
      @shahzadrafiq4534 Před 5 měsíci +8

      Who says hamas do not believe in human rights? I think your mixing them up with whatever is in your head

    • @tayibahussain
      @tayibahussain Před 5 měsíci

      So that is your justification for israel genocide in gaza on oppressed people living in a concentration camp.

    • @coco-ks1rn
      @coco-ks1rn Před 5 měsíci +7

      The right to self determination and resistance to occupation is a human right

    • @natsohigh5552
      @natsohigh5552 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@UsmanAli77477 it's stunning that Muslims can't just go about life without inflicting their BS on others.

  • @lighthouseproductions4985
    @lighthouseproductions4985 Před 5 měsíci +80

    Never expect a Muslim to be honest

    • @uniqueviewsnews
      @uniqueviewsnews Před 5 měsíci +15

      You are speaking about yourself

    • @desireecuzen3103
      @desireecuzen3103 Před 5 měsíci

      @@uniqueviewsnews No that is the truth! Radical Muslims are the ruination of this world!

    • @johnou.k.3780
      @johnou.k.3780 Před 5 měsíci

      Exactly, can’t be trusted as with their peaceful so called religion

    • @neal.karn-jones
      @neal.karn-jones Před 5 měsíci

      Taqiyya allows them to lie and deceive to further jihad, so yes - never believe them

    • @ryokan9120
      @ryokan9120 Před 2 měsíci

      @@uniqueviewsnews Without lies Islam dies.

  • @philipskalla4312
    @philipskalla4312 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Under the system of equality called for by Musa Adnan, everyone would be under Sharia law, Jews would be returned to Dhimmitude, and every day would be another October 7.

  • @samanthagorman3979
    @samanthagorman3979 Před 2 měsíci +8

    He said hamas are a terrorist organisation on a legal level. Does he agree on a moral level?

    • @juststop2047
      @juststop2047 Před 5 dny

      Nelson Mandela was a terrorist on a legal level. They’re now making a movie him and won Nobel prize. What’s your point?

    • @samanthagorman3979
      @samanthagorman3979 Před 5 dny

      @@juststop2047 the guy agrees on a moral level

  • @privatespam
    @privatespam Před 5 měsíci +117

    jewish schools etc have to employ security guards..muslim ones dont....that says it all about the religion of peace.

    • @ThePacman1
      @ThePacman1 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Lol and you can quantify that can you, maybe Google how many fish in the sea and see what answer you get

    • @zarajenkins6948
      @zarajenkins6948 Před 5 měsíci +12

      ​@FroDoBags yes it's true, your comparison is ridiculous and you're deflecting from the truth, Jewish schools in Birmingham ALSO have to have security at the gates, it's disgusting that another religion can intimidate and be so dangerous towards another....speaks volumes..

    • @martinsolomon5500
      @martinsolomon5500 Před 5 měsíci +6

      You can easily quantity it. You can visit the very very few Jewish schools in England especially London and video the gates of the school.
      Oh look. Security guards.
      Quantified.
      You can also qualify it too.
      Muslim population in the UK larger than the population of London
      Jewish population- about fifty times smaller than the Muslim population.

    • @coco-ks1rn
      @coco-ks1rn Před 5 měsíci

      @privatespam your name is actually quite fitting. Most Palestinian children can't even attend schools because they have to go through check points where soldiers interrogate them or just simply deny them passage

    • @leemartell7086
      @leemartell7086 Před 5 měsíci

      Paranoia. Jews are not being attacked in the streets in England. Muslims receive far more racism in the UK than Jews do. It’s all part of the propaganda that it’s Jews/israelis are being oppressed…they are not. The schools may have security, but they haven’t been attacked. They just want to make you think they have.

  • @Michael-os1zd
    @Michael-os1zd Před 5 měsíci +32

    Those Muslim colonialists - coming to take over Israel in the mid 600s - they are occupying Jewish lands and they should all leave.
    The insistence of always going back 100 years is moronic

  • @alb4656
    @alb4656 Před 5 měsíci +2

    There we go , the hypocrisy and double standard of people like these is repugnant.

  • @ludovisian5063
    @ludovisian5063 Před 2 měsíci +1

    They shouldn’t live among us, period.

  • @user-dj3yv6je9n
    @user-dj3yv6je9n Před 5 měsíci +167

    The country and the people need understand the mentality of the middle eastern countries because these don't care about human rights

    • @IA67676
      @IA67676 Před 5 měsíci +7

      Different morals ≠ human rights violation
      They'll say the same about you guys

    • @alexanderabramovitz6459
      @alexanderabramovitz6459 Před 5 měsíci +6

      nor for human lives

    • @elumees3789
      @elumees3789 Před 5 měsíci

      What human rights they don’t understand?

    • @asa1973100
      @asa1973100 Před 5 měsíci

      That’s absolutely correct in their eyes, the The nonbelievers are sub human kaffirs

    • @MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy
      @MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy Před 5 měsíci +7

      Oh yes they do understand human rights when they want something from our western societies that they want/need, but they would never give those rights to others.
      Professional victims that's what they are

  • @garymellor5100
    @garymellor5100 Před 5 měsíci +85

    The irony of whale talking about propaganda.

  • @mohameddaoud7018
    @mohameddaoud7018 Před 5 měsíci +2

    “Terrorist organization” is a stupid term, there are no organization that sole goal is to terrorize people. Terrorism is a tactic. There’s also no agreement on its definition.

  • @mnjaid
    @mnjaid Před 4 měsíci +1

    At the Battle of Bunker Hill, outside Boston, militia dealt a deadly blow to the British. Later in the war at battles such as Bennington, Vermont, King's Mountain, Cowpens, both in South Carolina and Guilford Courthouse, in North Carolina, the militia was crucial to American victories

  • @sillygoose9070
    @sillygoose9070 Před 5 měsíci +47

    The relationship between James Whale, and 'Ash'.... is most bizarre.

    • @timstapleman
      @timstapleman Před 5 měsíci

      Relationships between stupid people often are.

  • @sahihmuslimb
    @sahihmuslimb Před 5 měsíci +52

    Musa Adnan is a Pakistani with British Passport and Pakistan is deporting all the fellow muslims Afghanis back to Afghanstan. So Adnan with his father Adnan Rashid should be deported back to Pakistan from the UK

    • @MaggieFuchs
      @MaggieFuchs Před 5 měsíci +5

      It was General Zaire (who later became president of Pakistan after getting rid of the legally elected president) and his Pakistani merceneries that killed about 25,000 Palistinians in Jordan, that is now known as Black September, didn't hear this guy cry for them.

    • @sahihmuslimb
      @sahihmuslimb Před 5 měsíci

      @@MaggieFuchs The correct name would be Zia ul haq who massacred 25000 Palestinians

    • @hello.jila656
      @hello.jila656 Před 5 měsíci +3

      They're deporting illegal Afghan immigrants who crossed the border illegally. Not people who came over to Pakistan legally. Get your facts straight.

    • @sahihmuslimb
      @sahihmuslimb Před 5 měsíci

      oh I guess u r the policeman check g each and everyone's papers. Stop being a joker

    • @user-uv9tl4jt8w
      @user-uv9tl4jt8w Před 2 měsíci

      @@hello.jila656 Those are people who have been living in Pakistan for thirty years, should we also deport peaceful religious people who have been living in Britain for thirty years?

  • @sosammathomas1525
    @sosammathomas1525 Před 6 dny

    Whoever could not tolerate another culture stay in own culture.

  • @asania479
    @asania479 Před 5 měsíci +2

    HOW CAN WE CALL THIS YEAR??? TELL ME LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

  • @TheConduit10
    @TheConduit10 Před 5 měsíci +55

    The reality is without the Israelis the palestians would have starved to death years ago , Lord know's their fellow muslims/arabs would'nt give the time of day!

    • @Fahhad007
      @Fahhad007 Před 5 měsíci +3

      What a bullcrap

    • @alexanderabramovitz6459
      @alexanderabramovitz6459 Před 5 měsíci +9

      and they wouldn't get all that aid money too

    • @user-jw8mn7oi7x
      @user-jw8mn7oi7x Před 5 měsíci

      You know nothing. Israel restrict the amount of food allowed into Gaza. They call it ‘putting them on a diet’.

    • @spikertaker
      @spikertaker Před 5 měsíci +3

      It's very probable the land would have been occupied by another Arab state instead.

    • @saulbass9293
      @saulbass9293 Před 5 měsíci

      @@spikertaker It was. Between 1948 and 1967 Gaza was occupied by Egypt and the West Bank was occupied by Jordan. They never gave the land to the Palestinians because they wanted it for themselves.

  • @Tonishog
    @Tonishog Před 5 měsíci +89

    “He’s Jewish so he can get upset”😂😂😂😂😂

  • @keithburrell
    @keithburrell Před 3 měsíci +1

    I'm all for Israel, but, why does there have to be 2 guys on the left shouting over each? The guy on the right, is a pain in the Arse

  • @lindalombard1066
    @lindalombard1066 Před 5 měsíci +143

    When we lived in Montreal, my husband was in charge of a particular programming team for his company. There was a Muslim man on his team who refused to meet with women. This incensed my husband, who promptly told the man he would meet with women or be taken off the project immediately. The Muslim man agreed, and did, meet with women after that. We must push back!

    • @alexanderabramovitz6459
      @alexanderabramovitz6459 Před 5 měsíci +6

      once he had the excuse -it;s a dream come true for the Muslim dude

    • @sa-a-9157
      @sa-a-9157 Před 5 měsíci +34

      Push back against what? Against men not wanting women to forcefully touch them? How would you feel if other men forced themselves into touching you when you don't want to? What utter nonsense!

    • @mohamed9386
      @mohamed9386 Před 5 měsíci +18

      Out of curiosity why do you think the Muslim man didn't want to shake the woman's hand?
      And is it right to force someone to touch another person?

    • @jonathanlake6053
      @jonathanlake6053 Před 5 měsíci +18

      @@sa-a-9157 Shaking hands, really, are you serious?

    • @sebraven
      @sebraven Před 5 měsíci +22

      So in your mind that justifies the genocide being perpetrated in gaza. Your pure hatred of life is concerning to say the least

  • @BalooBearYeah
    @BalooBearYeah Před 5 měsíci +215

    The Arab-Israeli war of 1948 - Palestinian Arabs were advised to leave the area by the Arab armies ... thinking to return once the war was won. To their shock, the Arabs lost ... and as winners, the new Israelis gained the land. The Palestinian Arabs, having taken sides and being on the defeated end, lost claim to ownership of the region. In War ... winner takes all.

    • @Fahhad007
      @Fahhad007 Před 5 měsíci

      You forgot that its was because of support of USA.
      What if Russia or China starts supporting the arabs?!
      Will you say the same?!

    • @darrinatorrr
      @darrinatorrr Před 5 měsíci +48

      Palestinians want to ignore those facts. Lose the war lose the land

    • @jeremyboughtono2
      @jeremyboughtono2 Před 5 měsíci +51

      Also there has never been a Palestinian state so they have no claim to soveriegnty.

    • @salmayassir4843
      @salmayassir4843 Před 5 měsíci +17

      What about the Tanturah and Dayr Yassin massacres ? that what was in 48
      Go educate yourself plz

    • @kari8187
      @kari8187 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Exactly

  • @Jay-vm9il
    @Jay-vm9il Před 3 měsíci +3

    The moral in to stopping this war is to just start shaking hands with eachother 😂😂

  • @murumbamutekhele5783
    @murumbamutekhele5783 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Debating with a radical Muslim like this one is like engaging a devil 👿

  • @dng6121
    @dng6121 Před 5 měsíci +18

    when a muslim talks they ran out of ammo

  • @luissegovia1932
    @luissegovia1932 Před 5 měsíci +25

    Never argue with a sick mind!

  • @patriciarowe6685
    @patriciarowe6685 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I suggest all the Palestinian supporters go to Palestinian and help them there. Same with Israel supporters. This country has so many problems of their own. Most of the people protesting have no bloody clue from both sides.

  • @jjssjklmnop
    @jjssjklmnop Před měsícem +1

    Mr. Whale is excellent.

  • @cbs63
    @cbs63 Před 5 měsíci +27

    Concerning if he thinks that another sexist rapist regime will arise if Hamas is destroyed.

  • @fredmutuku
    @fredmutuku Před 5 měsíci +50

    So who is killing inocent civilians in yemen 🤬

  • @d7adict
    @d7adict Před 3 měsíci +1

    This is a comedy show, not a serious one. Please take it with a pinch of salt for laughter people.

  • @Johnwis-gp9yy
    @Johnwis-gp9yy Před 5 měsíci +25

    This guy should be deported so he can help his people in Gaza. We need to help him help them. Why are we so selfish?

    • @Johnwis-gp9yy
      @Johnwis-gp9yy Před 5 měsíci

      @@2345bcde i know that. I was being sarcastic. They just parasite upon western values and play the victim game.

    • @Native_Man123
      @Native_Man123 Před 5 měsíci

      He is a hypocrite. He loves his western lifestyle too much, while at the same time complaining about it

  • @TheKiddy3
    @TheKiddy3 Před 5 měsíci +22

    I’m sick of this kind of discussion honestly

  • @differentboy1509
    @differentboy1509 Před 2 měsíci +1

    “Seems like Ash has been smoking Hash” 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @itsmesarah510
    @itsmesarah510 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Dont discuss with foolish people... their hearts are closed. They wont understand...

  • @JonDingle
    @JonDingle Před 5 měsíci +30

    Hypocrisy, prejudice, blind ignorance, victimhood, blaming the otherside, interrupting, answer avoidance, terrorist denial, always trying for the last word and twisting the narrative to suit the agenda. An out of control discussion that is a great reflection of why the conflict will never stop.
    As for international law, if its not recognized by any one party for religious reasons then no war can be under the rules of "international law" because one side would have an unfair advantage to abuse their opponent.

  • @etelvinammasterson4158
    @etelvinammasterson4158 Před 5 měsíci +90

    HAMAS HAS NOT GIVEN EQUAL AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. THIS ADNAN DOES NOT BLAME HAMAS FOR THE DEATHS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN. WELL DONE TO THE HOSTS OF THE SHOW.

    • @MrMenisas
      @MrMenisas Před 5 měsíci

      It’s the same lies, twisting facts and double standards we hear with all Muslims

    • @Elisa-ul2we
      @Elisa-ul2we Před 5 měsíci +7

      My respect for James grows by the day. I don't agree with everything he says but this subject is safe I in his hands.

    • @j46s96
      @j46s96 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@Elisa-ul2wehe doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He asks the brother a religious question and then gets baffled at his religious answer 😂 its intellectually dishonest

  • @David-zl9qw
    @David-zl9qw Před měsícem +1

    All the muslim man spoke about was the killing of gaza citizens. Don't have these one minded people on the show we are sick of listening to them James.

  • @kmdmedia2163
    @kmdmedia2163 Před 3 měsíci

    These two are one eyed. They are not talking about the torture that has been going on for 75 years.

  • @Nomad332
    @Nomad332 Před 5 měsíci +119

    This is embarrassing honestly
    These men have showed their Ignorance
    Musa has handled this debate with grace and intelligence

    • @joychaniathiraj1057
      @joychaniathiraj1057 Před 5 měsíci +4

      Musa ia a hamas sympathiser

    • @muslim84644
      @muslim84644 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@joychaniathiraj1057no. He's not. Lying is not allowed. Even kids know that.

  • @philipcurry5618
    @philipcurry5618 Před 5 měsíci +83

    The un embolden people like this vile excuse for a human shame on them

  • @abubakarrbah7814
    @abubakarrbah7814 Před 3 měsíci +1

    How an aggressive host call their guest an aggressive?

  • @CryptoCaliph
    @CryptoCaliph Před 3 měsíci +13

    Good on him for single handedly battling two maniacs.

  • @stephensilverstein629
    @stephensilverstein629 Před 5 měsíci +54

    If you want to know the Muslim attitude towards Jews, read the Qur'an!

    • @user-zf8xk5cu4u
      @user-zf8xk5cu4u Před 5 měsíci

      do you support a two state solution where there is a Palestinian state ALONGSIDE the Jewish state, and not INSTEAD of Israel? ​@@user-nx4vw1ii5p

    • @anthonybriggs1904
      @anthonybriggs1904 Před 5 měsíci +3

      your very right the so call "religion/cult of peace"

    • @lespaul2000
      @lespaul2000 Před 5 měsíci

      You mean the Muslims who bought Jews back to Jerusalem after they were kicked out by the Romans in 70AD. You mean the Muslims who protected the Jews against Anti-Semetic Christian Europe during the Middle Ages? Ffs stop with your lies.

    • @johnou.k.3780
      @johnou.k.3780 Před 5 měsíci +5

      Muslim attitude towards anyone other than their own, shows normal people can’t mix with them

    • @kiloalpha01
      @kiloalpha01 Před 5 měsíci +5

      You're right! 1000% I appeal to you, read the Qur'an with an open heart, read it with sincerity and tell me, tell me if you find a fault or anything.
      But I do warn you, reading the Qur'an with sincerity may open your eyes to the world and it could potentially revert you back to Islam. 😂😂
      Don't come with nonsense about "If you want to know the Muslim attitude towards Jews, read the Qur'an" - read it yourself before preaching stupidity mate.

  • @blaxtru
    @blaxtru Před 5 měsíci +18

    James should have retired when he left LBC. He was worth listening to then.

  • @estherrozman4313
    @estherrozman4313 Před 5 měsíci

    When was the last time people marched im the streets chanting “death to muslims? Never!! What islamophobia are they talking about?

  • @kosiekoos9408
    @kosiekoos9408 Před 5 měsíci +41

    The strategy is not to answer any questions but to ask a question with a question but never give an answer

  • @DaveZee823
    @DaveZee823 Před 5 měsíci +15

    The True Islam!
    Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
    Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
    Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

  • @howbani
    @howbani Před 3 měsíci +2

    I have watched this program two times. I am just want to know what the guy with hair is doing? He is not speaking 😂

  • @genigee
    @genigee Před 4 měsíci +5

    Clash of cultures.. why doesnt he go to gaza help them build an economy and leave their neighbors to get on with theirs

  • @Earl-Dumerest
    @Earl-Dumerest Před 5 měsíci +90

    Islam first, common sense second.

    • @AC-mp7cx
      @AC-mp7cx Před 5 měsíci +14

      Islam and common sense go hand in hand

    • @smallhabitsbigchanges4379
      @smallhabitsbigchanges4379 Před 5 měsíci +8

      Islam is common sense for anyone with sense.

    • @anonscot-qi3rk
      @anonscot-qi3rk Před 5 měsíci +5

      ​​@@AC-mp7cxA flying horse taking a man to heaven is common sense?

    • @duckarse11
      @duckarse11 Před 5 měsíci +8

      @@AC-mp7cx Islam and Nonsense go hand in hand

    • @duckarse11
      @duckarse11 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@smallhabitsbigchanges4379 Islam is nonsense for anyone with sense

  • @herculesboy
    @herculesboy Před 5 měsíci +4

    How we stop it
    Is to stop Islam

    • @usygful
      @usygful Před 5 měsíci

      In your dreams

    • @usygful
      @usygful Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@BEWARESTUPID Islam has 2 billion adherents and is the fastest growing religion in the world, both in terms of birth rate and conversion. Islam will continue to grow in the west and islamisation is always a possibility. Whether you like it or not.

  • @shahzadtahir6302
    @shahzadtahir6302 Před 3 měsíci +2

    How is this journalism

  • @a7medwolfgang295
    @a7medwolfgang295 Před 3 měsíci

    Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib said if a thousand scholars had argued with me, I would have defeated them, and if one ignorant person had argued with me, he would have defeated me