i feel the same too, i feel that putting someone to death for changing their belief is a little too much, especially if they are not a threat. Like, the apostates still abide by the islamic law when they are outside and dont start insulting the prophet(pbuh) or Allah, then do your thing, pay your Jiziya and be you but confined within the Islamic ruling, just as i am confined within the liberal ruling. On the other hand, as far as i know, its not Quranic material to determine the consequence of an apostate, so i think, expelling them from a country/city is an option or turn them into a refugee and have a liberal state adopt their own babies. I heard once, can't back it but it makes sense that this harsh punishment of putting an apostate to death was during troubling times in the early days of Islam. For example, people would 'revert' to islam, get hidden information and hand it over to the pagans during war. Therefore, reversion was taking seriously at that time because of conflict....I mean, that's reasonable to me, you cant have spies wandering around your community at the time of war. Dont get me wrong, death is still an option but i feel it doesnt have to be the first choice, but you have a point too...these reverts that come into Islam from other religions should be out to death too, and if that happened would there be any muslims, or there would be a big war taking place 🤷🏾♂
Yeah, I used to always understand it in light of either the context of war, where it is seen as treason, or some context lost to us in modernity, but these defenders have explicitly clarified that "it is not because of any threat, but for the very change of religion itself", that's when I disagreed with the whole thing. I even understand harsh punishments like stoning adulterers to death and others, but killing someone for not believing anymore, that, I don't get, and after also seeing the consequences of this law in how many innocent lives have been cut off for merely being charged with apostasy, this is what the jihadis do.
Why you said ," just religion " , religion is the most important. And we don't base our religion on other religion don't kill apostates, we do it, don't think like if.religion is subjective
@@doflamingo5345 Yeah religion is the most important, but there is also "no compulsion in religion", "whoever wills let him believe, whoever wills let him disbelieve", and many other verses. Let me ask you a difficult question to help you see the problem with killing apostates for changing religion and not for threat or other reasons, did you know that child apostates are to be killed aswell? and how old do you think they have to be before they can be killed?
I'm sorry but you are completely wrong. Who are we to change Islamic law? Islam was always a well-established way of life under the Quran and Sunnah. Why accommodate Islam to Western philosophy based on unfounded emotions? Apostasy manifests itself in 3 ways. 1. In belief. For example, considering lawful what Allah has explicitly prohibited. This is where your rejection of the application of hudud to an apostate comes in. 2. In the word. Insulting Allah, His Messenger, the holy books... 3. In the work. Actions and beliefs contrary to Islam like helping unbelievers, etc. Apostasy is punished if the person does not repent. In case of repentance, he is forgiven as Allah is the Most Merciful and his religion teaches forgiveness. Narrated 'Aisha: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected." [Sahih Bukhari 2697] Now, the question is... Why are you innovating something that was never taught by the Prophet ﷺ nor his Companions? I will stop following this channel. May Allah guide you.
Well you are wrong and probably haven't studied this topic deeply, you are free to unsubscribe, for no one forced you to subscribe in the first place. 👍
Show us in the Bible where it's said in the Christian scriptures please.
Old Testament mate, and historic Christianity
i feel the same too, i feel that putting someone to death for changing their belief is a little too much, especially if they are not a threat. Like, the apostates still abide by the islamic law when they are outside and dont start insulting the prophet(pbuh) or Allah, then do your thing, pay your Jiziya and be you but confined within the Islamic ruling, just as i am confined within the liberal ruling.
On the other hand, as far as i know, its not Quranic material to determine the consequence of an apostate, so i think, expelling them from a country/city is an option or turn them into a refugee and have a liberal state adopt their own babies.
I heard once, can't back it but it makes sense that this harsh punishment of putting an apostate to death was during troubling times in the early days of Islam. For example, people would 'revert' to islam, get hidden information and hand it over to the pagans during war. Therefore, reversion was taking seriously at that time because of conflict....I mean, that's reasonable to me, you cant have spies wandering around your community at the time of war.
Dont get me wrong, death is still an option but i feel it doesnt have to be the first choice, but you have a point too...these reverts that come into Islam from other religions should be out to death too, and if that happened would there be any muslims, or there would be a big war taking place 🤷🏾♂
Yeah, I used to always understand it in light of either the context of war, where it is seen as treason, or some context lost to us in modernity, but these defenders have explicitly clarified that "it is not because of any threat, but for the very change of religion itself", that's when I disagreed with the whole thing.
I even understand harsh punishments like stoning adulterers to death and others, but killing someone for not believing anymore, that, I don't get, and after also seeing the consequences of this law in how many innocent lives have been cut off for merely being charged with apostasy, this is what the jihadis do.
Why you said ," just religion " , religion is the most important. And we don't base our religion on other religion don't kill apostates, we do it, don't think like if.religion is subjective
@@doflamingo5345 Yeah religion is the most important, but there is also "no compulsion in religion", "whoever wills let him believe, whoever wills let him disbelieve", and many other verses.
Let me ask you a difficult question to help you see the problem with killing apostates for changing religion and not for threat or other reasons, did you know that child apostates are to be killed aswell? and how old do you think they have to be before they can be killed?
I'm sorry but you are completely wrong. Who are we to change Islamic law? Islam was always a well-established way of life under the Quran and Sunnah. Why accommodate Islam to Western philosophy based on unfounded emotions?
Apostasy manifests itself in 3 ways.
1. In belief. For example, considering lawful what Allah has explicitly prohibited. This is where your rejection of the application of hudud to an apostate comes in.
2. In the word. Insulting Allah, His Messenger, the holy books...
3. In the work. Actions and beliefs contrary to Islam like helping unbelievers, etc.
Apostasy is punished if the person does not repent. In case of repentance, he is forgiven as Allah is the Most Merciful and his religion teaches forgiveness.
Narrated 'Aisha: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected." [Sahih Bukhari 2697]
Now, the question is... Why are you innovating something that was never taught by the Prophet ﷺ nor his Companions?
I will stop following this channel. May Allah guide you.
Well you are wrong and probably haven't studied this topic deeply, you are free to unsubscribe, for no one forced you to subscribe in the first place. 👍